The clay tablet text, which was discovered alongside around 30 other tablet fragments, specifies 9 lyre strings and the intervals between those strings – kind of like an ancient guitar tab..... The notation here is essentially a set of instructions for intervals and tuning based around a heptatonic diatonic scale.
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Listen to the oldest melody in the world — 3400 years old.
"The hymn was discovered on a clay tablet in Ugarit, now part of modern-day Syria, and is dedicated the Hurrians’ goddess of the orchards Nikkal...."
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Discovered in the ruins of an ancient wellness spa.
So, how many people in the world can define or explain a heptatonic diatonic scale? I have no clue.
As the kids used to say on "American Bandstand" when they were rating a new record, I'd dance to it but I wouldn't buy it.
Needs more cowbell.
That video is hilarious
@ Rob: Actually, "Bandstand" kids would say, "I like the lyrics, but the words don't seem to make much sense."
(What class were you at "Wossamotta U."?)
And, I've always rated Schwepps as the highest on the diatonic scale.
Playing the lyre would come naturally to Hillary.
...discovered on a clay tablet in Ugarit, now part of modern-day Syria...
What about Aleppo?
Wow.
Those Orchard Goddesses are hard to please. But they say their fruits are succulent and sweet when you get through to them.
It's not very good. Are they sure they're playing it right?
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A heptatonic diatonic scale is basically what we've grown up with. Heptatonic = seven steps to the octave. Diatonic = only half- or whole-steps. I'm kind of amazed that something that old should sound so new, and a bit suspicious that it mightn't be as new as all that.
The Rolling Stones...."Their Satanic Majesties Request"
As old as all that, obviously. Stupid fingers.
Yeah, I can definitely hear the similarity between that and Stairway to Heaven. I bet Page and Plant will claim that they never even heard this one either.
So, how many people in the world can define or explain a heptatonic diatonic scale?
It's a seven note scale, with only whole tones, no half tones. "Diatonic" is fine. "Heptatonic" instead of "seven note" is just being a pompous dick.
All these reconstructions have to be taken not just with a grain of salt, but with a metric ton of it. There is no music in the world that has a better attested & documented history than Western liturgical plainchant (commonly called "Gregorian" chant). We have the manuscripts that cover as the notation moves from "unstaffed" ("in campo aperto", in open field**) to the Guidonian staff much like modern music is notated. But, even with all that wealth of manuscripts, an unbroken chain of performance, & quite a few Medieval treatises on musical theory, we have no idea of the rhythm of Gregorian chant. This is the sort of question that occasions gang rumbles at musicological conferences.
In other words, we have no idea of the rhythm of anything in western music until Perotin (around 1200). For the rest of the world, it's even worse. We know that all the world's cultures had flourishing musical traditions since time immemorial. The Egyptians had orchestras. Homer & the Greek tragedies were all sung. The ancient Chinese & the Indus Valley civilizations as well. But waddya we got to show for it? Absolutely jack shit, is what! There's no surviving manuscripts for any of it!
It's so frustrating. Music is probably the oldest art. But in terms of what survives, it's by far the youngest.
** my own little contribution to pompous dickdom for the evening.
Vanilla Ice has already sampled it for his next hit.
@EDH...Wow!!
I'm sure it's not what it seems though. Things never are with the Clintons.
(I'm glad the Muslims overrunning Syria did not destroy the tablets.)
No, really. Take "Do, a deer, a female deer" and run through it. You've just traversed a heptatonic diatonic piece. Seven notes to the octave, all of them either a whole-step or a half-step apart.
Walk on music that Trump can use without the artist or his estate complaining. The music, however, more accurately reflects Hillary's energy levels, but she probably wouldn't want to be associated with a barren, dessicated fertility goddess. Besides Cher, of course.
Assyria's Got Talent!
"Rob said...
As the kids used to say on "American Bandstand" when they were rating a new record, I'd dance to it but I wouldn't buy it."
"wholelottasplainin' said...
@ Rob: Actually, "Bandstand" kids would say, "I like the lyrics, but the words don't seem to make much sense."
Nope. It's "I like the beat but it's hard to dance to. I'll give it a 67"
YoungHegelian, it can't be a seven-note scale without half-tones, because six whole tones make an octave. There are half-tones in there because there need to be.
@MDT,
You right, I wrong, on diatonic. There are half tones, just no accidentals.
That's the B Side of Whole Lotta Love.
Sounds like a cross between a sitar and a samisen.
YH: There is no music in the world that has a better attested & documented history than Western liturgical plainchant (commonly called "Gregorian" chant). We have the manuscripts that cover as the notation moves from "unstaffed" ("in campo aperto", in open field**) to the Guidonian staff much like modern music is notated.
That's simply not true. Not the history, I mean, but the idea that it's better documented than anything since. It's maybe better studied than anything since, but I doubt even that. My own field of study was Haydn, and I'd wager that we know a lot more about Haydn than about plainchant, even given that there's a lot less of the former than of the latter.
MDH,
I'm sorry to be a wee bit unclear. I meant among ancient music, meaning anything older than let's say 1200, when we have manuscripts that we can unequivocally transcribe.
For post-Baroque music, you are completely correct. But, I'll still pick an argument with you on lots of Renaissance & Baroque music. While we have lots of manuscripts & treatises, we don't have an unbroken chain of performance for e.g. Vivaldi, like we do for Gregorian Chant.
@Curious George
The most endearing aspect of rating the new songs on Bandstand was the nerd who was appointed to be the mathematician. His job (it was always a he) was to add the three ratings and divide by three. Not many of the kids on the program were up to the task.
'Smoke On The Water' is the oldest melody known to Man.
Anything that pre-dates it is just Tuning Up.
I am Laslo.
It could be used in a Clint Eastwood western. The little scribble sound easily could be the tormented Mexicans in the pueblo that the Gringo's rape and slaughter to take land for their cattle.
The up beat is when the man with no name comes in and kills the man in the black hat, and the Mexicans light a candle for him as he rides off into a mirage.
It did take a while, but historians now have been able to prove that Syrians are shitty at absolutely everything.
But which mode of the diatonic scale is it?
I just played it backwards, and it said 'I buried Saul.'
Jay Vogt
Since it's your fault, what's the best way to get coffee out of a keyboard?
I enjoyed listening to this melody. You know what listening to this makes me think? Star Trek is wrong; we are not "evolving". Rather Ecclesiastes is right, there is nothing new under the sun because people are still motivated and inspired by virtually the same things.
Somewhere James Brown is shouting "Macio, take me to the bridge!"
There's a YouTube video of the Syrian National Orchestra performing the same song in 2010 that is completely different. Scratch marks in a clay tablet can be interpreted in an infinite number of ways, apparently.
So jazz was actually invented in Syria by really cool heptonic cats?
"Listen to the oldest KNOWN melody in the world." Fixed the headline for you.
Indeed there's much uncertainty about how to interpret the directions on the tablet--tuning, notes, rhythm. I found this essay from the U of Toronto site helpful (the first section is about the words, the 2d and more interesting to me section is about the music).
http://www.individual.utoronto.ca/seadogdriftwood/Hurrian/Website_article_on_Hurrian_Hymn_No._6.html
It would sound much better with Sumerian beer:
http://www.openculture.com/2015/03/the-oldest-beer-recipe-in-history.html
Finally placed it. Yes: "It Could Happen": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeVgcIFEh3I
Interesting in concept, but boring in the execution.
" I just played it backwards, and it said 'I buried Saul.'"
Freakin' brilliant. First and (since I plan to spend the day doing lawn work and scrubbing grout) best laugh of the day.
I could Babylon about it.
If played as written, it seems like polyphony and harmony (as opposed to a melody over a single pedal tone or drone) has a longer history than thought.
Which doesn't surprise me.
" I just played it backwards, and it said 'I buried Saul.'"
Freakin' brilliant.
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So the oldest musical documentation is for a religious use. Interesting.
I suppose the goatherds' songs to the young ladies of the region went unrecorded, but went something like, "I wanna hold your hand...."
Listening to it i am sure that they read the tablet from right to left when it was supposed to be left to right. That would explain why it sounds like it is played in reverse.Or did it give specific instructions on how to listen it it which i missed
"Hey, girl...
Your hair is like a flock of goats."
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