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"And how can you be a friend, when you take... 10s of millions of dollars, $25 million from one country... when these countries are oppressive to LGBT, when they're oppressive to everybody?"
"How can you be a friend to women, when you take that kind of money from people that enslave women? How can you be a friend?"
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When will the Clintons return that money?
What promises and deals were made in return for that money?
Report out - later pulled down - that Saudi prince claimed his country has funded 20% of Hillary's campaign.
Hillary is for hire.
Of course Hillary is a friend of women on account of allegedly having the pertaining women parts. And of course she is the bestest of besties to lgbtqbvdsvon account of . . . SHUT UP.
Pay no attention to those piles of cash behind the curtain.
Isn't it illegal to take campaign contributions from foreigners?
I mean for most people. Obviously, Hillary wouldn't be bogged down by those kinds of details.
Bob Boyd said...
Isn't it illegal to take campaign contributions from foreigners?
I assume that is foreign money to the CGI "Charity", promoted by the State Department and committed to enriching Clinton's, making Clintons look good, and electing Hill.
But not an election donation of course. That would be illegal.
The Clinton Global Initiative is a huge money laundering scheme. DemCong have no shame.
Trump makes millions in Muslim countries. Presidential candidate Donald Trump may want to ban Muslims entering the U.S. but he's making millions from business deals in countries where Islam is the main religion."
"How can you be a friend?" Easy. Be a Prog Dem female Clinton. When the power chips are down, fellow Progs will forgive anything. See "feminist" groveling for Bill.
Well?
Miriam is on the case with DNC talking points. She doesn't know the difference between earning money and taking bribes.
Why should she ?
Hillary is going to have a hard time with Trump.
@ Miriam
So he's not Islamophobic....is what you're saying?
Successful billionaires rarely have dark secrets, but the Free Beacon decided to exclusively investigate The Donald anyway. What we found will shock you: Trump’s ties to the Muslim networks that hold power in the oil rich Arabian lands are deep and lucrative.
There are currently two Trump brand luxury golf courses under construction in the United Arab Emirates, a country with known ties to Islamic terror groups. But that’s not all. The Donald’s iconic Trump Tower in Manhattan hosts a “corporate campus” of the government-owned Qatar Airways. The Qatari government has been identified as a crucial source of funding for terror groups such as ISIS and Hamas and is an enthusiastic purveyor of sharia law.
Trump tenants also include members of the Saudi royal family, another source of terror financing and big time sharia fans. In 1991, Trump sold his 283-foot yacht to a Saudi prince for a discounted price of $18 million. Where did that money go? We may never know. Where it definitely didn’t go is into the pocketbooks of hardworking non-establishment Americans. Luxury aficionados, including members of the out-of-touch GOP elite in Washington, could purchase fabulous Trump Home products in retail chains across the Middle East. (The retail chain has since conveniently “cut ties” with the real estate baron in a desperate attempt to curtail his political steamroller of a campaign.)
Don't throw stones if you live in a glass house.
Michael K said...
Miriam is on the case with DNC talking points. She doesn't know the difference between earning money and taking bribes.
Exactly what I was going to say, except I wouldn't have used Miriam, but Inga.
Wouldn't it be fun to see a panel of 6 anti-Hillary media types discussing stuff like this on CNN each night? I wonder what it would do to her poll numbers?
Unfortunately for Miriam, only Hillary was in the position to sell government access.
Miriam is on the case with DNC talking points.
Why do the kids the campaigns task to run comment section interference always use single first names? Amanda Bob Miriam Is it some sort of code?
Would Rubio, or Cruz have attacked Hillary, and the Clinton Global Initiative in the same manner?
Trump is changing the conversation.
Trump has taken a huge dip in the polls. He's fairly easy to demonize. So's Hillary, but Trump is the one that the media exults in demonizing. Get used to Miriam. She, or someone like her, will be Hillary's next press secretary in the White House.
"Trump makes millions in Muslim countries"
Miriam,
Thanks for pointing out that he doesn't let his prior business activity affect his politics!! ANother reason he is better than Hillary!
Trump is down in the polls by 14 points.
Hillary Loves sweet Huma. And Huma is a woman. case closed.
Trump is facing a Total Blitz. He will only have the Rallies, some Internet and a few Fox News friends giving him a positive spin. The rest of Cable News and all MSM Networks and the Internet Search Engine News industry are 100% into slandering Trump 24/7 for daring to speak.
Miriam shrieked...Trump makes millions in Muslim countries. Presidential candidate Donald Trump may want to ban Muslims entering the U.S. but he's making millions from business deals in countries where Islam is the main religion.
Trump erects buildings in the Middle East -- just like he does here. What have the Clintons ever erected in this country or elsewhere?
"How can you be a friend" or do business with countries that are funders to terrorist groups such as ISIS?
>Trump is down in the polls by 14 points. <
demonrat psyops
Chickelit squawked.
"Get used to Miriam. She, or someone like her, will be Hillary's next press secretary in the White House."
The Clinton White House might get a surprise named Trump.
Primary turnout proved a harbinger of the heavy turnout favorable to Democrats in November 2008. It's not clear whether it will this November, or whether the exit polls are wrong. But both are signs that Trump's chances might -- might -- be better than current polling suggests.
>"How can you be a friend" or do business with countries that are funders to terrorist groups such as ISIS?<
by making a "treaty" with iran? "proggtardism is painless".
A pox on both of their houses
Trump OK’d business partner with alleged Iran laundering ties.
Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house.
Miriam,
Trump's a businessman and the Clinton's are corrupt, influence peddling Tammany Hall type politicians. Trump will bring it up every time.
Chickelet said..."What have the Clintons ever erected in this country or elsewhere?"
Heh.
So businessmen can't be corrupt in Lyle's World?
Miriam is still coming to grips with the idea that selling your boat to an individual is not "doing business with countries".
But lets not criticize Hillary too much. If she didn't sell access how would Bill pay for trips with Epstein the pedophile?
Epstein likes to tell people that he's a loner, a man who's never touched alcohol or drugs, and one whose nightlife is far from energetic. And yet if you talk to Donald Trump, a different Epstein emerges. "I've known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,'' Trump booms from a speakerphone. "He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it -- Jeffrey enjoys his social life."
When you live in a glass house don't throw stones.
Good questions. I want Hillary to answer but more than that, I want the lefty media and the progressives to answer why they give cover to these mfers.
Hell yes, get 'er Donald!
HoodlumDoodlum Sunday, Trump Wednesday -- good sign. Hopeful!
We know what people get for their money from Trump. Products, services, and lodging.
What do they get from Hillary?
Miriam
Of course businessmen can be corrupt. Trump has been above board in the business world for a very long time and in Democrat New York.
When you live in a glass house don't throw stones.
Did Trump take multiple trips to a place where Epstein had underage prostitutes available for fucking?
No?
Then how is it relevant when HER husband did? And she is still sticking with him?
Trump makes millions in Muslim countries. Presidential candidate Donald Trump may want to ban Muslims entering the U.S. but he's making millions from business deals in countries where Islam is the main religion."
So Trump explains EXACTLY why he got his money and Hillary won't. Thanks.
"Miriam said...
Epstein likes to tell people that he's a loner, a man who's never touched alcohol or drugs, and one whose nightlife is far from energetic. And yet if you talk to Donald Trump, a different Epstein emerges. "I've known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,'' Trump booms from a speakerphone. "He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it -- Jeffrey enjoys his social life."
When you live in a glass house don't throw stones."
And this is proof of what again? But since I don't think you can get off a basic talking point let me point out that:
1) the quote from Trump re: Epstein is from 2002 you dumb twat. This is tree years before he was accused of anything, and four years before he was charged, and six years before he was convicted.
2) There has never been even an accusation that Trump was involved with Epstein's illegal activity. Not even a hint.
Now, lets talk about Clinton's 23 trips, with a handful sans Secret Service...on Epstein's "Lolita Express."
Lyle, Trump has been an "above board in the business world"? Really??
Miriam doesn't realize Trump has lived in a glass house for 50 years and has gotten pretty good at throwing stones.
25+ years of DNC whisper-campaigning is what gets us to Trump. Expending all this effort to make your political opponents look like fools, instead of debating policy, and you'll end up with someone that can survive looking like a fool. Scary, isn't he. Almost a caricature of the evil Republican that previous presidential candidates were portrayed as. How about we say he can "explode the stereotype".
So Miriam, are you working for the DNC or are you one of the Russian government hackers that stole the DNC's oppo research?
I'm curious why the Russians hackers focused on the Trump files. Was Trump concerned about what the DNC had on him? Are Trump' s advisor's connections to the Russians somehow involved? Is "something going on"?
Trump's Russia connections.
I'm curious why you assume Hillary's email server was more secure than the DNC was.
I think that it is informative that Miriam doesn't understand the difference between Hillary taking bribes in those countries, and Trump building businesses there. It is just more indicia that what we are dealing with is someone with little life experience before now. She argues like a high schooler, which is why I expect this Hillary campaign gig to be her first real job. The links and how she links are another dead giveaway that she is a political troll.
Don't know about the rest of you, but I'm getting sick and tired of 'Miriam' dominating every thread. She is such an obvious troll and yet we mindlessly respond.
So what Miriam is trying to say is that Clinton is as bad as Trump? And vice versa?
Miriam,
So Trump has a good relationship with our geopolitical rival. That's a great qualification for a President. What does Hillary have? An "Overcharge" button?
I'm curious why the Russians hackers focused on the Trump files.
The poorly-protected private server Hillary used to hide her corruption means that the Russians already have all of the information they need on her.
Well, CGF is a charity mission. If they can collect moneys from these mfers for doing something good around parts of the world more power to them.
"I'm curious why the Russians hackers focused on the Trump files."
They had the Hillary files from a couple of years ago.
Miriam,
Yes, Trump has been above board. Has he ever been prosecuted for any crime?
@Miriam
Yaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.
Oh, did you say something?
What you folks don't like is when someone shoots down your fallacious and ignorant ideas and beliefs by presenting oppositional material. Yawn indeed, if Althouse were to become an echo chamber, but oh me oh my that IS what you folks want, isn't it?
Maybe that is the answer with Miriam - just don't engage her in conversations. I suggested that the other day, but she was still new here, so some were willing to give her the benefit of the doubt. Here is the thing to keep in mind - if we "scare" her off, she will just be back under another name. Her online I'd here is essentially totally empty. Not hard to create another ID. Remember, this is likely her day job - dumping Hillary campagn propaganda on a bunch of blogs every day.
Miram.
Don't chew your perch.
Perhaps Miriam could post an "oppositional" chart to the one that is the subject of this thread.
Bruce, Miriam is not new here. She's just using a different name.
@Bruce engaging Miriam a/k/a Maryam is entertaining. She reminds me of a victim of a brain disorder in one of the late Dr. Oliver Sachs books that only lives in a short term present and is constantly creating the momentary narrative. No past, no future just the momentary present.
A fabulist.
Miriam said...
"How can you be a friend" or do business with countries that are funders to terrorist groups such as ISIS?
6/15/16, 8:27 AM
Hillary Clinton said, "Development is an integral part of America's national security policy", but, of course, she was talking about investing tax payer money into development in Islamic countries rather than a private developer doing it.
His businesses provide jobs. Jobs give people an income choice other than going with terrorist recruiters.
Miriam said...
"What you folks don't like is when someone shoots down your fallacious and ignorant ideas and beliefs by presenting oppositional material. Yawn indeed, if Althouse were to become an echo chamber, but oh me oh my that IS what you folks want, isn't it?"
Can't speak for everyone -- but I'd love to hear your response to the original post. Does it concern you that the Clintons have taken so much money from these sources? Why or why not?
Just saying: "Look Squirrel!" isn't really a response. It's a reaction. And "oppositional material" -- I don't even know what that's supposed to mean.
I'm sure I have lots of fallacious and ignorant ideas that could use examining and testing with counterarguments and evidence.
But "Trump is bad!" isn't really a challenge to the idea that Hillary Clinton is corrupt, is it? And it isn't a line of reasoning that is going to challenge anyone's views on Clinton's corruption, much less "shoot down" those ideas. It's just a quick jab that gets everyone's guard up. You've got 12 posts out of the first 54 on this topic -- and each one raises a new different issue. (Trump does business in muslim countries, Trump is down in the polls, Jeff Epstein, Russian hackers...)
Hillary Clinton ran the State Department with a For Sale sign on the front door. And she made over a billion dollars selling access and influence, and selling out America's interests. That's what I think when I read this post, and I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in that. If my ideas are fallacious and ignorant -- address them. Point out how.
If you're just interested in a reaction, give us twenty or thirty more links and one-liners about different "Squirrel!!1!!"s you think you can get people to respond to.
What you folks don't like is when someone shoots down your fallacious and ignorant ideas and beliefs by presenting oppositional material. Yawn indeed, if Althouse were to become an echo chamber, but oh me oh my that IS what you folks want, isn't it?
I can't speak for anyone else, but I'd love to see an intelligent challenge from folks on the left. So far, though, the majority of leftist commentary here (and this certainly includes yours, I regret to say) is simplistic name-calling and distraction.
But by all means - explain why Hillary's obvious insincerity, demonstrated dishonesty, and indefensible corruption represent a smaller problem than the fact that Trump is a loud-mouthed buffoon. Explain why we should ignore the second amendment and due process, and why that won't be abused, despite vast amounts of recent and historical evidence showing the seductive corruption of power. Explain why you're comfortable with media bias that manifests itself as intentional mendacity. Those arguments would make for an interesting and informed discussion.
Alternatively, you can continue to cut-and-paste irrelevancies to protect yourself from ever rethinking your premises. But that contributes nothing, and warrants no respectful response, which is why you receive none.
@Bruce, some Prog trolls -- like ARM -- have an enormous self-regard and one deals with them by making fun of them. Think of ARM like Khan in Star Trek II and "laugh at [his] superior intellect."
Miriam is different. She has no self-regard. She is intellectually inferior and utterly lacking in intellectual integrity, and she knows it. You can't laugh at her, because she already knows she's stupid, so what? Ignore her as you would any two year old.
The thing that Maryam and the other Clinton shills can't get wrap their hands around is that no matter what parade of horribles they come up with on Trump (and he ain't no peach) that short of murder Hillary the champagne communist grifter, criminal and traitor will always be worse on the list of horribles than Trump. And Obama the enabler isn't far behind Hillary.
As for their crowing about the polls as Evan Thomas of Newsweek said years ago the Democrat candidate by virtue of the media always starts with a fifteen percent poll advantage. Let them count their chickens before they hatch. All the more fun to watch when they receive the rude surprise.
I love that Dems demand "reasonableness" in gun control laws...but abortion rights are all the way untouchable.
Remember that Clinton was winning in the polls before Sanders cleaned her clock in Michigan. The poll is useless if you're polling the wrong people.
Chickelet said..."What have the Clintons ever erected in this country or elsewhere?"
In Jeopardy speak, "What is Billy Jeff's weiner?"
The difference is that Trump likely has to pay baksheesh to get shit built in the middle east while Hillary takes baksheesh to get free shit from Uncle Sam for her arab friends. The Circle of Life
The Dutch just had a victory for its diplomats in Qatar. A woman who complained of having been drugged and raped, was allowed to leave the country without spending any more time in jail for adultery. * They are not saying any more because they don't want to spoil things. (the man did get sentenced to lashes)
http://abcnews.go.com/International/dutch-woman-allegedly-raped-qatar-sentenced-adultery-allowed/story?id=39816386
* The woman admitted intercourse but there wasn't enough evidence to prove it was rape and not consensual.
I'm curious why the Russians hackers focused on the Trump files.
They probably didn't, but focused on all the politicl information, as opposed to financial information. The DNC mentioned the Trump files because they don't want Trump to use that information in planning his campaign when ands if he gets it, or is offered it by Russian government.
The DNC wants the Russians to leak their file of lies on Trump to give them legal cover.
WTH? No one here seems to be able to adequately counter little Miss Miriam. It can be done. I'd suggest that being less insulting and bolstering your own arguments would be a step in the right direction.
Miriam creates a concern troll sock puppet. . .
WTH? No one here seems to be able to adequately counter little Miss Miriam. It can be done. I'd suggest that being less insulting and bolstering your own arguments would be a step in the right direction.
She hasn't written anything that requires countering.
Blogger Miriam said...
I'm curious why the Russians hackers focused on the Trump files. Was Trump concerned about what the DNC had on him? Are Trump' s advisor's connections to the Russians somehow involved? Is "something going on"?
6/15/16, 9:16 AM
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Dear Miriam,
This is an easy one. The Russians concentrate on Trump because they already have the goods on Hillary. They will disclose nothing about Hillary. Since hacking her home-brew server they have all the data they need to blackmail or compromise her ,when you get your wish, and she becomes president.
"Unknown said...
WTH? No one here seems to be able to adequately counter little Miss Miriam. It can be done. I'd suggest that being less insulting and bolstering your own arguments would be a step in the right direction."
That's bullshit. Counters to her arguments are ignored. And off to post another talking points link, that is also countered and ignored.
And like Miriam/Amanda/Inga, I notice your profile is "unavailable." Shocked.
WTH? No one here seems to be able to adequately counter little Miss Miriam. It can be done. I'd suggest that being less insulting and bolstering your own arguments would be a step in the right direction.
I won't speak for others, but I debunk the points she makes. The rest I will mock because I lack the desire to form her gibberish into an actual argument to rebut
I'll give you a thrill. Here ya go:
"How can you be a friend" or do business with countries that are funders to terrorist groups such as ISIS?
Doing business with somebody does not indicate any approval of their behavior, policies, what have you. It is a purely financial decision if you're a competent businessman (sure, some make idiotic SJW choices, but those seldom work out well). You don't have to like or approve of somebody who can make you money. Apple sells IPhones in the most homophobic regions on Earth. Tim Cook's grandstanding notwithstanding in regards to Indiana and NC --- do you think Cook LIKES the regimes in those countries? I'd imagine not. His job is to enrich his company's shareholders, not moralize.
Taking donations and providing perks for them is a different can of worms. There is no business transaction. There is an explicit moral judgment there --- Trump got lambasted for a Klansman saying he supports him (to paraphrase Reagan, "They endorse me, I don't necessarily endorse them" when asked about some donations) --- Hillary is taking a lot of money from brutally homophobic and misogynistic regimes.
Best case scenario, you're taking bribes from loathsome people to enrich yourself.
Worse case scenario, you're taking bribes from loathsome people that you agree with and like to enrich yourself. Neither option is good.
If it was nothing --- why did Hillary have that gap while Sec of State where she was making money like this? Clearly, government employment --- not known as a bastion of ethics as is --- feels that arrangement is unacceptable for employees and leads to corruption.
So why is it OK for a "charity" with bookkeeping that experts label as being sketchy?
I away Miriam's response. Truly.
According to the schoolyard logic of some, Trump can't question Hillary on her questionable money ties to govts. that brutalize gay people because he did business --seemingly legitimate business-- in those countries.
Fine. So, people who did not do business in countries that brutalize gay people would still like an answer to Trump's questions.
Unknown said...
WTH? No one here seems to be able to adequately counter little Miss Miriam. It can be done. I'd suggest that being less insulting and bolstering your own arguments would be a step in the right direction.
I used to until it was revealed she is, in actuality, a Norwegian Blue parrot.
Be a pal and see if her seed dish is empty.
Sammy Finkelman said...
I'm curious why the Russians hackers focused on the Trump files. "
The obvious unasked question is if the Russians can easily hack the DNC which is supposedly far more professional than Hillary's home server how can anyone believe Hillary's wasn't hacked?
"Blogger damikesc said...
I'll give you a thrill. Here ya go:
"How can you be a friend" or do business with countries that are funders to terrorist groups such as ISIS?"
Don't hold your breath expecting a reasoned reply from Maryam on why taking a bribe from these people is less bad than doing business with them. The there is Obama's $150 billion gift to Iran.
The US sells a great deal to Arabia and Quatar and etc.
Oilfield equipment, consulting, just to start, arms in large amounts, grains, civilian tech of all sorts, software, Apple Ipads, etc. If Trump was doing wrong in selling them things so was the whole Fortune 1000 and thousands of small businesses too.
Heck, the US (Al Gore) sold cable channels to Al Jazeera, for a lot more than a golf course franchise fee, in a blatant payoff deal.
Clinton sold something to the Arabs, the interesting part is what it was they sold. It wasn't something simple like missiles or golf courses.
New thread, new Amanda / Miriam tu quoque. She just can't learn.
But, Mr. Trump, what of your hotels in those countries? Your business ties? That was my initial response to this line of attack from the blow-hard businessman. I came on here and saw that someone new in town, Miriam, has already made that point and gotten excoriated for it. I don't see how Trump can call on the Clinton Foundation to return that funding without pledging to divest himself of his Gulf properties. I don't see him doing that, do you?
I don't see how Trump can call on the Clinton Foundation to return that funding without pledging to divest himself of his Gulf properties.
Trump hasn't made homophobia and sexism as central tenets of his campaign. It's like expecting me to "minimize my carbon footprint" when I criticize environmentalists for how shitty they are at being "green".
Clinton was given lots of money with the expectation of beneficial policies down the road. She got the money and WE supply the perks.
Trump didn't do this.
Do you demand that companies bemoaning NC don't do any business with those countries? Because they don't care what you think.
Haha, Clinton selling us out is the same as any other private business. Good to hear.
"I don't see how Trump can call on the Clinton Foundation to return that funding without pledging to divest himself of his Gulf properties. I don't see him doing that, do you?"
Stay on point and address the issue that Trump raised, which is why has Clinton, who presents herself as a champion for women and gays, accepted so much money from govts. that brutalize gays and subjugate women? What was exchanged/promised for such large sums of money? The Hillary shills in the media may not be curious about these transactions but the rest of us are.
That fact that Trump did business in the ME when he was a businessman does not erase or delegitimize these questions. I'll hazard a guess that Trump's business transactions were audited. I wonder if the Clinton foundation has ever been audited by the IRS?
It's an excellent question Trump poses that deserves an honest answer.
I'd love to see it asked in a debate.
Miriam said...Chickelit squawked.
You just can't shake that Inga vibe you give people, huh?
I notice that you don't deny or question it.
Friendly advice: come back out as yourself and you'll make your points better. At least people will feel empathy.
I don't think Miriam is Inga. Inga was smarter. Do you think when Miriam moves on anybody is going to miss her or her posts? We might miss garage, we might miss Inga, but yeesh, what is the first thing that Miriam has ever said that wasn't cut and paste or link mongering that indicated a supra room temperature IQ?
All of Hillary's friends are green: U.S. Grant, Benjamin Franklin, Andrew Jackson...
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