I knew that most of the mentions would be related to sports. Google "Bill Simmons" and "triple negative" and it's a running shtick he had to call out examples.
I'm still trying to decode the example. An odd number of negatives is still a negative, but what's being negated? The speakers opinion or the subject's reputation?
This kind of nested negation was a fashionable style in Victorian times -- a means to disguise banality under a cloak of syntactic complexity. Here's a famous example from the Jack the Ripper murder case. In an alleyway not far from one of Jack's five victims a police officer discovered this written on a wall in chalk, "The Juwes are the men who will not be blamed for nothing." The writer knew how to use the style though he did not know how to spell Jews.
This sounds like a case for Dave Barry's "Mr. Language Person". Unfortunately, I don't remember one on negatives, so I'll just post this supposed actual quote for us to admire:
Q. Speaking of true quotations, please repeat the statement that Sonda Ward of Nashville swears she heard made by a man expressing concern to a woman who had been unable to get a ride to a church function.
A. He said: "Estelle, if I'd a knowed you'd a want to went, I'd a seed you'd a got to get to go."
From Douglas Adams, Life, the Universe, and Everything, Chapter XXXI...
"That young girl," he added unexpectedly, "is one of the least benightedly unintelligent organic life forms it has been my profound lack of pleasure not to be able to avoid meeting."
...and then I asked him with my eyes to ask again yes and then he asked me would I yes to say yes my mountain flower and first I put my arms around him yes and drew him down to me so he could feel my breasts all perfume yes and his heart was going like mad and yes I said yes I will Yes.
Negative can refer to the opposite, the negation, the reverse, undesirable, or no; have I failed in your request?
Alternatively,
Under the sign of Pieces, Reed Richards and Heisenberg were trying to process their undeveloped film containing a photograph of a Hillary Clinton's image by bathing it in electrons captured from the decay of uru from their absolute zero entropy box.
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I knew that most of the mentions would be related to sports. Google "Bill Simmons" and "triple negative" and it's a running shtick he had to call out examples.
How about when people respond essentially with the following tic:
"No, I agree..."
And not to concur with some previous negative assertion.
Especially on talking head shows. Is it just that people want to disagree?
http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/106158/yeah-no-i-agree-meaning
I'm still trying to decode the example. An odd number of negatives is still a negative, but what's being negated? The speakers opinion or the subject's reputation?
I hesitate to say that I don't disagree with you.
- Bob and Ray
Negatives don't necessarily cancel. They can reenforce. Wittgenstein goes into it somewhere, probably in the philosophy of mathematics.
There's a thing called a non-positive context, where words like "any" can appear.
It includes questions and negatives.
non-assertive
This kind of nested negation was a fashionable style in Victorian times -- a means to disguise banality under a cloak of syntactic complexity. Here's a famous example from the Jack the Ripper murder case. In an alleyway not far from one of Jack's five victims a police officer discovered this written on a wall in chalk, "The Juwes are the men who will not be blamed for nothing." The writer knew how to use the style though he did not know how to spell Jews.
I don’t deny denying I didn’t not deny denying my denial. Real in my thoughts.
A Bob & Ray archive. Altogether not less uninteresting than the subject of nested negatives.
No, you are not incorrect that you are not wrong.
Thank you, Your Honor.
This sounds like a case for Dave Barry's "Mr. Language Person". Unfortunately, I don't remember one on negatives, so I'll just post this supposed actual quote for us to admire:
Q. Speaking of true quotations, please repeat the statement that Sonda Ward of Nashville swears she heard made by a man expressing concern to a woman who had been unable to get a ride to a church function.
A. He said: "Estelle, if I'd a knowed you'd a want to went, I'd a seed you'd a got to get to go."
Q. What tense is that, grammatically?
A. That is your pluperfect consumptive.
Not for nothing, and the excess of negatives notwithstanding, that isn't completely unclear.
We're not in any danger of this being, you know, interesting?
None of that don't make me no never mind.
More difficult than looking for such examples: Finding one where it was actually necessary, or materially improved the sentence, to do so.
I never felt uncomfortable with litotes.
An example I found, by James Lileks: "I'd be lying if I didn't say this interesting look wouldn't be unwelcome if it came back."
From Douglas Adams, Life, the Universe, and Everything, Chapter XXXI...
"That young girl," he added unexpectedly, "is one of the least benightedly unintelligent organic life forms it has been my profound lack of pleasure not to be able to avoid meeting."
I couldnt possibly fail to disagree with you less
I wouldn't not say no to this if it wasn't less clear.
"No no no no no no no no no
No no no no no no no no
No no no no no no no no
No no no no no
Nobody can do
The shing-a-ling
Like I do
No no no no no no no no no
No no no no no no no no
No no no no no no no no
No no no no no"
Nobody but Me by the Human Beinz
...and then I asked him with my eyes to ask again yes and then he asked me would I yes to say yes my mountain flower and first I put my arms around him yes and drew him down to me so he could feel my breasts all perfume yes and his heart was going like mad and yes I said yes I will Yes.
Yes means no.
"A double negative equals a positive, but a double positive does not equal a negative."
"Yeah, right..."
Negative can refer to the opposite, the negation, the reverse, undesirable, or no; have I failed in your request?
Alternatively,
Under the sign of Pieces, Reed Richards and Heisenberg were trying to process their undeveloped film containing a photograph of a Hillary Clinton's image by bathing it in electrons captured from the decay of uru from their absolute zero entropy box.
Minus negative two times negative five minus negative nine equals negative one.
One Christmas I asked my son for an indefinite self referential statement.
On Christmas morning I asked him if he got me what I wanted and he replied, "I'm not sure if this will do."
Good kid, that boy.
I was arguing with a guy once who stumped me with "I don't know if that's not true."
hardest to read negativity dense language;
Are you in favor of the Houston Equal Rights Ordinance, Ord. No. 2014-530, which prohibits discrimination in city employment and city services, city contracts, public accommodations, private employment, and housing based on an individual’s sex, race, color, ethnicity, national origin, age, familial status, marital status, military status, religion, disability, sexual orientation, genetic information, gender identity, or pregnancy?[5]
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