[Hussam Ayloush, the executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations in Los Angeles] urged people not to jump to conclusions regarding a motive. “Is it work?” he said. “Rage-related? Is it mental illness? Extreme ideology?”
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"Mr. Farook inspected restaurants, bakeries and public swimming pools for the county department..."
"Among his duties were checking chlorine levels, screening hand-washing facilities and making sure food surfaces were clean."
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If a non-Muslim couple dressed up in "assault" clothes and strapped on GoPro cameras to record their murderous rampage I don't thinik anyone would have any doubt about whether or not their actions were politically motivated.
Hussam Ayloush urged people not to jump to conclusions regarding a motive.
After all, he said, it's not like he's a conservative!
A man who has been working in the area said he noticed a half-dozen Middle Eastern men in the area in recent weeks, but decided not to report anything since he did not wish to racially profile those people.
"We sat around lunch thinking, 'What were they doing around the neighborhood?'" he said. "We'd see them leave where they're raiding the apartment."
As Kate at SDA said "If you see something, shut up you racist!"
Did he inspect Italian delis?
I thought the descriptive was "race" related not 'rage' related. In any case, CAIR was in full damage control mode.
[Hussam Ayloush, the executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations in Los Angeles] urged people not to jump to conclusions regarding a motive.
Of course, nobody ain't got no time for that. Still working on jumping to conclusions on last week's Colorado Springs shooting at Planned Parenthood - all that effort invested in #ChristianTerrorist meme can't go to waste.
His dating profile illustrates his command of the English language.
religios but modern family of 4, 2girls 2boys I work for county as health,safety and envorimental inspector. Enjoy working on vintage and modern cars, read religios books, enjoy eating out sometimes travel and just hang out in back yard doing target pratice with younger sister and friends.
Perhaps he was hired into his government position because of his diversity points.
with a great salary and benefits that rawk, i'm sure.
The attack was premeditated and required a fair amount of preparation.
I'm disappointed that the SBPD apparently broadcasted everything over unencrypted public channels discussing names, licenses, tactics, etc. Also, local news broadcast witness phone numbers, etc, in their haste to report everything without discretion.
Our society doesn't seem prepared to handle things like this at all. If the terrorists weren't amateurs, it could have been much worse.
I'd wager that other terrorists took careful note.
Two periods of time- don't jump to conclusios and what differene, at this point, does it make?
With CAIR on the case, I'm sure the motive will become clear pretty quickly.
The only valid conclusion democrats and their media jump to are reflexively blaming the entire GOP and the NRA.
Interesting that the CAIR guy doesn't jump to "Gun control". He actually outlines the possibilities for these murders without that knee-jerk reaction. I lean toward the easy explanation that this is somehow influenced by radical Islam and I will remain leaning until someone proves otherwise.
This was not an act of individual craziness - as so many of these attacks are - this was a planned attack that depended on some kind of philosophical/theological underpinnings to be carried out.
CNN was debating all night about whether this was terrorism but declined to mention the shooter's name until hours after it was reported by other media.
You don't have to jump to conclusions regarding the motive here, same old same old, or to understand that CAIR is a terrorist front group. They sure must want those 15,000 Syrian Muslims to immigrate.
We all know the motive. This will put a crimp in Obama's plan to flood the country with Muslim immigrants.
Even Democrats might hesitate. Those were government employees that were killed yesterday.
It is important we wait to see what motivated them.
Two things interest me:
1- the assumption by many in the media that he was the planner and she was the follower of him
2- Obama saying this morning the terrorists only win if we give up our values, then suggests we use the secret no-fly list as a way to prohibit gun sales to people
Like the recent shooter in Colorado, religion identification maybe played a role. Different religions, same outcome.
CAIR is a terrorist front group. They should be outlawed, their officers arrested for aiding and abetting the enemy and their assets seized.
I'll take "extreme ideology" for 100, Alex.
I'm just happy they left the baby out of it.
[Hussam Ayloush, the executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations in Los Angeles] urged people not to jump to conclusions regarding a motive. “Is it work?” he said. “Rage-related? Is it mental illness? Extreme ideology?”
Door number three: extreme ideology. Next.
I don't really know enough about the actual shooting to comment on it, however I did spend a good portion of yesterday watching the reaction of the press so I do have a question about that.
Do they not understand just how bad they look when they suddenly latch onto the same meme at the same time? Do they not understand that this just makes it obvious that they're all still coordinating their messages, or are we supposed to believe that all the "your prayers do nothing" posts occurred at the same time by coincidence.
As for the stupidity of their attacks on people offering condolences I just have to wonder who the genius was that said "You know what? We should attack people for offering prayers the next time there is a shooting, that'll win the argument."?
"MayBee said...
It is important we wait to see what motivated them."
I read this and thought how can anyone be this dumb. Then I read this:
"the assumption by many in the media that he was the planner and she was the follower of him"
Do you not know anything about the female role in Islam culture?
"Like the recent shooter in Colorado, religion identification maybe played a role."
Is there evidence that Dear was religiously motivated? I haven't followed that case, but just looking at his photo makes it hard to believe.
Jumping to conclusions, I'll say the answer is in two parts.
The two were planning Jihad, hence the IEDs, ammo, weapons, armor, etc.
The Target was personal. e.g. workplace issues. the Christmas party, etc. That set him off.
But the overall driver was radical Islam.
PS: Did you see the early Left Wing Media doing the google checks to the nearest PP clinic? why let a meme go to waste...
"Obama saying this morning the terrorists only win if we give up our values, then suggests we use the secret no-fly list as a way to prohibit gun sales to people"
Has anyone ever seen Obama and ARM at the same time?
"MaxedOutMama said...
I'll take "extreme ideology" for 100, Alex."
And the answer is... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5LTzcDevrk
MayBee said...
Two things interest me:
1- the assumption by many in the media that he was the planner and she was the follower of him
Don't know about who led, but as for the "bomb maker" I'll pick the female Pharmacist over the male Health inspector every time...
Mark Ruffalo is on the no-fly list because he p*ssed of some commonwealth DHS flunkies in Pennsylvania (opposing fracking or something).
You just have to look at the picture of the Plsnned Parenthood shooter to know he's crazy. These two people didn't look overtly crazy up to the point where they became mass murderers......The left makes the point that those videos were what drove him over the edge and that the Muslim religion had nothing to do with the motivation of these killers. And people wonder why Trump has a following.
Let's say my brother in law committed a crime like this. Within a few hours I get a call from Milwaukee Archbishop Listecki saying he'd like me to come to a press conference and do some hand wringing in front of the national media to protect the broader interests of Catholics.
But he wanted to control what I said.
My first response would be, "how did you find me so fast, and how do you know he's my brother-in-law?"
Something in not right here. That press conference last night was surreal. Because simultaneously as the press conference was going on, CNN was still pushing "the guns were purchased legally" "the shooter left the party angry" "it could be metal health issues". CAIR found the brother-in-law faster than the name of the second shooter was released, which turned out to by Syed Farook's wife.
The were pushing the exact same narrative as Mr. Ayloush.
"MayBee said...
It is important we wait to see what motivated them."
Do you suppose most people have homemade explosives, tactical gear, and an arsenal all ready to go just in case someone pisses them off at work?
Nothing that closing the gun show loophole won't solve.
CAIR says not to jump to conclusions. Could be mental illness. If so, it must be contagious since his wife got it, too.
Besides, CNN Opinion piece has already announced the cause of this massacre. It's the NRA's fault. They opposed legislature banning the sale of weapons to anyone on the terrorist watch list.
Without addressing the validity of a "list", if we ware going to deprive people of constitutional rights for being on the list, why not just deport them. Then we don't have to worry about them buying guns at all, legal or not.
The terrorists in France shouldn't have had guns it had. It was against French law. How could it have happened. It's kind of like Chicago, I guess.
I don't belong to the NRA and I don't own a gun.
paraphrasing @iowahawkblog:
NEWS: "Unknown number of dead and wounded in workplace shooting"
Liberals: fap-fap-fap-fap-fappity-fap!
NEWS: "Unconfirmed reports that one of the the shooters is named 'Farook'."
Liberals: fap...fap....fap
NEWS: "We take to you live to the CAIR press conference in Los Angeles."
Liberals: sad trombone
"I'm just happy they left the baby out of it."
Yeah, because in 40 or so years it can grow up to be President. Because we really need another malignant narcissist with "issues" due to parental abandonment become President.
Pierce Morgan was desperate last night. For about three hours the bold by line of the Daily Mail read "Guns Kill 14 More".
This morning the headline reads: 'Devout' US citizen and his Saudi wife left their baby at home to storm office holiday party with automatic weapons and slaughter 14 of his colleagues before dying in bloody police shoot-out.
The by line is: Muslim Couple's Massacre
A "Devout US Citizen"? Give me a break.
What is the motivation of the left wing media here? I don't even think they know exactly what they are trying to protect anymore. They're just doggy paddling.
More shooters who were not NRA members. Hillary and Obama have no compunction about demonizing million he NRA, a group with 4-million members who don't go around shooting up places or killing 9-year olds in Chicago, but repeatedly claim the 6 million Muslims in the US have nothing to do with violence.
Leaders would not demonize even either the NRA or Islam for gun violence/terrorism.
Obama and Hillary are despicable people, just like their buddy Rahm.
CNN: "Workplace violence"..."He left the party angry"..."We need more gun control to prevent the mentally ill from gaining firearms"...blah blah blah
WP: 355 mass shootings this year. Farook and Malik compared to...yes, the Oregon neo-Nazi and the Charleston white supremacist (if you had to choose just two other shootings, you know, at random). Never mind that almost every "mass shooting" is a gang related/drug related urban incident from somewhere like Chicago, and that most of the accused "mass shooters" were prohibited from possessing firearms by existing statute. But more gun control.
What most of us consider to be mass shootings are isolated incidents, statistical anomalies, and as such, difficult to quickly pigeonhole because of their rarity and the typical mental health component. This one sure looks like radical Islam though.
The thing that gets me, is the first response out of DC is we need to start collecting the guns and ammunition.
But it seems to me, that the FBI and other police agencies are no where near good enough to take on the criminals. They do all right with the stupid, but they are inept at the free-ranging insane.
Here's the deal, the FBI gets 1000% better, and THEN you have everyone turn in their weapons.
In a fit of rage after an argument at a workplace party... he traveled back in time and spent weeks accumulating materials and assembling pipe bombs.
Sounds plausible.
"MayBee said...
Two things interest me:
1- the assumption by many in the media that he was the planner and she was the follower of him"
Really excellent point. But it doesn't quite fit the "homegrown terrorist" narrative if the foreign muslim was the instigator.
work place extremist-Islamic violence
oh, we will accept mental illness here, and it doesn't indict his underlying ideology?
Unlike the actual crazy person living in a cabin with no electricity. HE is a stand in for conservatives.
But this other guy, his religion/philosophy have NO bearing on his actions, and we must not paint with too broad a brush.
Garage, are you hearing this?
War on Christmas. It's all is fair in war by a Pakistani anchor babies doing jihadist duty in Christian
Lands also known as lands of war. Once all Chiritians are dead peace will
break out.
Here's a youtube video of the firefight. In the beginning of the clip, I can hear volleys of three rounds each. At 1:39, I believe I can hear full automatic weapons fire. A very long volley of fire from a single source. I'll guess that is coming from Farook, and company because most (all?) training warns against full-auto.
So, did Farook have a fully auto AK-47?
The fact that the neighbors saw "many" Middle Eastern men coming in and out of the house STRONGLY suggests that there is an active terror cell operating in California and that killing these two has not stamped it out.
Are you freaking kidding me? Who has work related anger issues that could find two other people to go and shoot up a place just for the hell of it?
Originally, because of the location (CA), I thought maybe it was a gang hit. Gangs, the Cartel and jihadis seem to be the only people who would do such a thing. Farood ain't no Crip or Mexican, so....
@Maybee-
Concur
1. Local boy meets girl online, travels to Saudi and then starts jihad. I was thinking of the supportive wife in "The Four Lions" but she may be the instigator.
2. I was following Instapundit's twitter feed last night, it was interesting to see how quickly the mask slipped off progressives.
The news that they were wearing go-pro is the clincher for me that it is terrorism. It's common for Jihadis (Chechens in Syria did it all the time) and the only reason you do that is to post the video online.
Blogger steve uhr said...
CNN was debating all night about whether this was terrorism but declined to mention the shooter's name until hours after it was reported by other media.
CNN's behavior was bizarre. It was as if they had been through a dry run in preparation for a mass shooting with a Muslim identified as the shooter in order to protect something to the n'th degree.
And the panel they lined up was a bunch of B and C list commenters. They were nobodies. It seemed like the deal was, "if your willing to go on air and push X, Y, and Z, talking points, we'll put you on TV". You won't see those same folks that had to call this wrong for five hours back tonight.
And then they would have "BREAKING NEWS", "ONE OF THE GUNS WAS PURCHASED LEGALLY!" That's like the big so what.
Fox brought out Megyn Kelly for the night, but Anderson Cooper was nowhere to be found.
Lawrence O'Donnell seemed to know where this was heading. I expected MSNBC coverage to be tiled, but O'Donnell did seem as scripted as CNN. His tone actually seemed appropriate.
Do you suppose most people have homemade explosives, tactical gear, and an arsenal all ready to go just in case someone pisses them off at work?
I don't think it was a spur of the moment work place situation. But he chose the target for a reason (he knew the people, it was a Christmas party). And Columbine involved homegrown explosives.
So while I have an idea of what it was, I don't want to be a progressive jumping on Dear's supposed utterances. Although I am concerned because Hassan was of course labeled a "work place shooter", I am hoping someone will give us facts.
I'm baffled as to what the Left think they're gaining by playing this game. Everyone I've talked to sees it clearly for what it was.
Another death due to open borders. I'm sure this will cause Obama to defiantly double the number of syrian refugees allowed to come here.
Hussam Ayloush, the executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations in Los Angeles] urged people not to jump to conclusions regarding a motive.
Hey...when Clock Boy was arrested, I bet CAIR didn't jump to conclusions, either.
The very first speculations I saw on FB about who carried out these attacks, right as they were unfolding, was about white, rightwing racist militias.
Now that it's known that Muslim extremists conducted the attack, the blame will be cast on anything but Radical Islam.
My left wing naturalized Canadian friend says France just raided a bunch of mosques to deal with extremist Islamic Imams. Says that's how the KKK was put out of business & US ought to take note.
Pakis don't even wash their hands with soap and water after shitting.
I'll guess that is coming from Farook, and company because most (all?) training warns against full-auto.
Yeah, full-auto generally leads to weapon jams. You are supposed to use three round bursts, even with weapons such as M60 Machine Guns and M50s. In fact, the M16A2 does not have a full-auto setting. You have safe, single-shot, and three round bursts.
This just further erodes the stranglehold the media has had for decades.
I found out everything I needed to know last night on twitter and other online sources as it happened. The MSM kept trying to spin false storylines that they thought would help Democrats. It's near a planned parenthood! Work place violence! Three white males in fatigues indicative of militia group. Etc.
You can tell what they've got their fingers crossed for. Hoping that they can make political hay out of the event. And then, it all falls apart.
Which is what will happen with the nut in Colorado too. Anyone wanting to find the truth about that will need to do their own research online. Anyone who watches the MSM will think, like Once Bitten, that he is religiously motivated and said something about body parts. Both false.
It might have been a bad tooth day. Dental illness.
TOMORROW'S NEWS TODAY:
"Muslim Community Fears Backlash from Next Week's Terrorist Outrage"
As for the stupidity of their attacks on people offering condolences I just have to wonder who the genius was that said "You know what? We should attack people for offering prayers the next time there is a shooting, that'll win the argument."?
I think it was simple tribalism. The republican candidates offered prayers and the democrats jumped right to gun control, therefore payers are bad because republicans.
Main lesson here is be prepared to help yourself. Over Thanksgiving I had a conversation with my brother who just retired as a cop with counter-terror experience about Paris and decided I wasn't paranoid enough. I put together a trauma pack for the car and a small blowout kit I can carry in a pocket. Tourniquets, Israeli Bandages, airways, Gauze, pneumothorax kit (I did the Army Combat Lifesaving Course)
I have a carry permit from VA but because I work in MD for the government I am unarmed during the week. (I can't even keep one locked in the car.)
So, did Farook have a fully auto AK-47?
He and his wife apparently had .223 caliber AR-15 style semiautomatic rifles or carbines. This from the late night press conference by the police chief. Not sure how anyone could confuse the two - one is mostly wood, the other black plastic and metal, one .30 and the other .223, etc. They were also carrying semiautomatic handguns. Hers was, I think, a S&W. Don't remember his.
I think my favorite factoid though is that they were apparently wearing GoPro cameras. Definitely more something that a jihadist would do, as contrasted to someone engaging in "workplace violence".
I'm not convinced there was automatic weapons fire in this clip. The long burst from about :45-:53 seconds in the video sounds more like semi-auto fire to me, with time between shots to allow for each to be from individual pulls of the trigger. If there was an automatic rifle on the scene, I would consider it more likely to have been used by law enforcement rather than the terrorists.
That CAIR conference was a mistake. I like to think of CAIR as being like the old white citizens' councils back in the day.
@The Drill SGT
That's my guess too. Getting ready for an operation, somebody upset the guy at work, so he decides to do an impromptu run. The authorities have to be looking pretty hard at any associates.
And those hotels and restaurants might should be inspected again.
I can reduce gun-related homicides by 90%. Just make it illegal for blacks and muslims to buy them.
you don't even have to make it illegal for them to buy guns. Simply put them on a no-can-buy-gun-list.
That's really what ARM and his ilk want.
Of course it's workplace violence (as per the left). I mean look at how obvious it is, man leaves staff party pissed, returns with buddy and wife ( but mindfully leave the kid home) armed with automatic weapons and more to express and release his workplace stress and outrage.
Obama wants to bring in more Muslim refugees; it just harder for Hillary to appeal to security moms and Donald Trump as president just got a little closer to reality.
Extreme religionists, extreme ideologists are all dangerous. Who knows what set him off or if it was planned, or both.
Dies Irae (must read book for our times)
Can't these Muslims see they are making it really hard for Hillary and Obama to push The Narrative?
@ Maybee
Perhaps he picked her up specifically for jihad--That's why they were married. Yikes.
During the Crusades, the Knights Templar left no Muslim alive (man, woman or child). Even the dogs and cats were massacred, as they might have licked their owners left hand.
Food for thought...
Mark Ruffalo is on the no-fly list because he p*ssed of some commonwealth DHS flunkies in Pennsylvania (opposing fracking or something).
Opposing fracking is an EXCELLENT reason to put somebody on a no-fly list. Let him fucking walk.
Jonah Goldberg said ...
"I think that if you’re considered too big a terror threat to get on a plane, you should be considered too big a threat to buy a gun as well.
worries about the due-process rights of people on the terror watch list ... it’s worth noting that such rights are folded, bent, and mutilated when it comes to air travel already. We’re searched without probable cause. We’re denied the right to carry firearms etc. We tolerate these, and other indignities, because there’s a compelling state interest to protect the flying public.
It’s absolutely true that the terror watch list makes mistakes. But we still tolerate the existence of a terror watch list, even though it’s arguably pretty rough on our constitutional rights as well."
"or are we supposed to believe that all the 'your prayers do nothing' posts occurred at the same time by coincidence."
It's not a coincidence, true. What it seems to be is a whole lot of people are sick of the "prayers and thoughts" tweets and messages from politicians and citizens alike, after every one of these mass shootings. A lot of us are pushing back against this bromide, by pointing out the obvious truth that "your prayers do nothing."
My apologies for spelling out the obvious but you really do seem not to understand.
[A]n expert appearing during the 11:00 p.m. Eastern hour of CNN Tonight predicted late Wednesday that the office holiday party where the shooting occurred “may have been offensive” to the Muslim gunman.
I really thought for a while that CNN was trying to go a little mainstream, but that impulse seems to have died rather quickly.
He made 51k a year. Assuming the wifey didn't work, there is no way, even in that part of So Cal, could he afford to buy a newer Denali, thousands in guns, ammo, and vests.
The Denali had Utah plates. Was it theirs? Or was it provided by a group to help them out? Or just stolen plates as a diversion?
A downplayed fact is that he was JUST RETURNING from "Paternity Leave" --so (notwithstanding that 6 mos. paternity leave is quite a nice govt emp benefit) he had six months to plan this. And, if part of that was unpaid leave, again, where did all the money come from? Family? Like-minded people?
Once-written, you are a disgusting, vile human.
His name is well called Farook, because he wss far-rooked. (if you know Yiddish)
But he didn't get that way on his own, and he didn't act alone.
The news that they were wearing go-pro is the clincher for me that it is terrorism. It's common for Jihadis (Chechens in Syria did it all the time) and the only reason you do that is to post the video online.
The video may yet show up online.
There was time to upload it, and besides, some or all of the shooters - and some other co-conspirators preparing for Round 2 - are still on the loose.
I'm thinking maybe Farook was possibly the leader. In that case, the otehrs may not know what they should do next and may do nothing.
Obama is still not ready to say it was terrorism. Has he forgotten that he said, or his spokesman said for him, that the Benghazi attack was terrorism, even if it was not connected to anything else?
This investigation is in a sad state if they don't know enough to definitively link it to international terrorism, but maybe they do have enough, and it's processing - processing - processing - and that's bad too.
The FBI has taken over the investigation, but that may be bad news - I mean for solving this and finding the other perpetrators, and hey may need to find them soon, plus, of course, look for parallel plots.
They shouldn't take over - they should join and the police agencies should, to some degree, be in competition with each there. We need more competition in law enforcement.
The wife actually came from Qatar and that's significant. Qatar, I believe, has been a supporter of ISIS. (and also a U.S. ally)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar_and_terror_finance
The country has been called “the Club Med for Terrorists”[1] and “most two-faced nation in the world, backing the U.S.-led coalition against the militants of the Islamic State while providing a permissive environment, in the words of one top American official, for terrorist financiers to operate with impunity.”[2]
Travel to Qatar could be as bad as travel to Syria.
Wow, I just turned on the TV and the press is having a feeding frenzy on this.
You'd think JFK was just killed!
Meanwhile 14 people are probably dead in morning traffic accidents.
Get a grip people! Don't make the insane famous. John Lennon was one that already paid that price. His killer is still in the news. Lennon? Not so much...
Not surprised by the apparent Saudi link nor the fact that Faroook was a native born American. This does sound like an Al queso or Isis directed event. Doesn't the FBI say they are tracking 900 of these cells already. So the under-the FBI radar MO is to activate sleepers and/or quickly turn sexually repressed males with a Mata Hari. Sounds like his pre-paradice reward was the bride/accomplice.
As long as this comes out of Saud, we won't take any real action except for distractions (by both republicans and democrats) to topple secular former cold-war client strongmen.
Saudi Arabia is the man behind the curtain. They spawn and fund wahabb terror and turn on the tap to kill the fracking industry. We have all of the smart bombs in the world but won't aim them at real targets. Instead, we continue to kill off our enemies greatest foes.
Once-written, you are a disgusting, vile human
I used to think that, until one day I realized he is just trying to gin up Republican turnout.
Funny how the usual suspects among my FB friends were all over the CO shootings are in radio silence on this one. Whatever. I enjoy thinking about the mental gymnastics they have to do on these things. I am rating this one a 9.7. After all, imagine sticking the landing on this one perfectly still after all of the airborne gyrations they did on the PP shooting.
'What it seems to be is a whole lot of people are sick of the "prayers and thoughts" tweets and messages from politicians and citizens alike, after every one of these mass shootings. A lot of us are pushing back against this bromide, by pointing out the obvious truth that "your prayers do nothing."
My apologies for spelling out the obvious but you really do seem not to understand.'
Wow - you are the one who really do not understand. You don't understand what kind of evil person you are presenting yourself as. Exactly like the Westboro Baptist Church - your cause is far more important than the feelings of suffering people. You will stomp on them for that cause. Yuck.
worries about the due-process rights of people on the terror watch list ... it’s worth noting that such rights are folded, bent, and mutilated when it comes to air travel already
Air travel is very much not a right.
Guns are.
We’re searched without probable cause. We’re denied the right to carry firearms etc. We tolerate these, and other indignities, because there’s a compelling state interest to protect the flying public.
Also because there's zero expectation of a right to air travel. Private companies are also free to ban guns on their premises.
Not sure how this has anything to do with gun control, but you'll get there.
It’s absolutely true that the terror watch list makes mistakes. But we still tolerate the existence of a terror watch list, even though it’s arguably pretty rough on our constitutional rights as well."
I don't like it at all unless they can provide ACTUAL evidence of the risk. They normally cannot. A list like that is acceptable for investigative work --- not for repression of rights.
What it seems to be is a whole lot of people are sick of the "prayers and thoughts" tweets and messages from politicians and citizens alike, after every one of these mass shootings. A lot of us are pushing back against this bromide, by pointing out the obvious truth that "your prayers do nothing."
As much good as your idiotic gun control ideas.
I love that THIS is the hill you'll die on over "meaningless gestures". Not insanely expensive and polluting "environmental conferences" --- tweets of prayers for peoples' loss.
Truly, you are a prince.
@MadasHell Google bumpski stock, I love mine, takes a little practice though.
rhhardin said...
It might have been a bad tooth day. Dental illness.
Tank was at the dentist yesterday. Coincidence? I think not. Ah, a plague of Dental Illness. Brutal.
I don't understand the confusion about what caused this attack. It was, obviously, caused by so many law abiding citizens having legal firearms in their homes. Or as our own Hussein says, "gun safety." Not enough "gun safety." The attack could have been an accident caused by lack of "gun safety." That's IT.
This is going to play hell with Obama and Jerry Browns plans to import "Syrian" young men.
A lot of dead Democrats yesterday. I wonder if SEIU will stay on the team ?
With the details that are available this morning I can guess at a dual motive. These two were part of a larger cell with different plans and went off plan to attack some person or people for personal reasons and in furtherance of their religious ideology at the same time. I'll be interested to see how close this guess comes to the mark.
The acting President's motives are unmixed. His attack on the American people is, and has always been, purely ideological. I guess you could say that the personal is political and vice versa, but still he's a simpler case. He just hates the country.
This is going to play hell with Obama and Jerry Browns plans to import "Syrian" young men.
Especially with the administration's official line being "governors cannot do a thing to prevent this". Nothing will engender good will like FORCING somebody to accept potential terrorists.
I'm hearing now that there are no GoPro cameras.
Anyone have a source on this?
Blogger Georgie said...
Extreme religionists, extreme ideologists are all dangerous. Who knows what set him off or if it was planned, or both.
The answer to your question is, we know. It was Islam. Radical or not.
How did he inspect BBQ joints? I now carry pigs blood in my pepper spray bottle. Is that micro aggression?
"Michael K said...
A lot of dead Democrats yesterday. I wonder if SEIU will stay on the team ?"
Seriously?
Birches said...
@ Maybee
Perhaps he picked her up specifically for jihad--That's why they were married. Yikes.
Or vice versa. Why assume that he was the leader?
A lot of dead Democrats yesterday.
Congratulations, Michael K. I have been tapering off Althouse lately because she's become predictable, tedious, and banal, but I had to check in today to see if Garage had yet exuded any Obamic reflexive mutterings to the latest bloody jihadist escapade. Your comment required commendation, sir. Very pithy.
And, as for I wonder if SEIU will stay on the team ?, I think what anarchists, National Socialists, and Communists used to say about omelets applies.
Notice on his on-line dating site, Sayed Farouk mentions his interest in "target shooting in his backyard with his sister".
I feel pretty sure the police are working on reality as opposed to the press who are frenziedly maintaining the CAIR - PPFA line.
When I go hunting for squirrels I always play this song in my headset:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rgox84KE7iY
If I could just get my wife to clean them. By the way, dogs love squirrel guts and heads.
"Opposing fracking is an EXCELLENT reason to put somebody on a no-fly list. Let him fucking walk."
Spoken like a true...fascist.
NEWS: "Unknown number of dead and wounded in workplace shooting"
Liberals: fap-fap-fap-fap-fappity-fap!
Conservatives: sad trombone
NEWS: "Unconfirmed reports that one of the the shooters is named 'Farook'."
Liberals: fap...fap....fap
Conservatives: fap...fap...fap
NEWS: "We take to you live to the CAIR press conference in Los Angeles."
Liberals: sad trombone
Conservatives: fap-fap-fap-fap-fappity-fap!
And now I hear wife had a K1 visa.
These facts are worrying me. Six month old baby. He flew to SA in Spring. Wife was on K1 visa.
Either information is wrong or this points to them making a fake family to get her into the United States.
Why?
If he flew over there in the spring, how did they have a six month old baby already? K1 visa is a fiance visa that is only good for 90 days. Had she only been here 90 days but they already have six month old baby? Where was the baby born?
I hope we are getting incorrect information and they were a family that decided to jihad together. Because otherwise, this is pretty sophisticated.
Monkeyboy said:
"Over Thanksgiving I had a conversation with my brother who just retired as a cop with counter-terror experience about Paris and decided I wasn't paranoid enough."
I don't know, of course, what this conversation consisted of or what information your brother may have conveyed to you. However, I have a relative who is retired from a major federal law enforcement agency, and this relative tends to see things from the point of view of a law enforcement agent. Which is to say, this relative's opinions are colored by a point of view that may have preexisted and influenced the choice of career, or the point of view may have been shaped by experience and peer influence over the course of the career, (or a preexisting point of view may have been reinforced by experience and peer influence throughout the career).
In other words, a police agent will tend to see things through a particular perspective, just as a criminal defense attorney and a prosecuting attorney will tend to see things from their respectively different perspectives, and any statements made must be evaluated in that light.
"I'm hearing now that there are no GoPro cameras.
Anyone have a source on this?"
San Bernardino police spokesman at press conference which just wrapped up.
AUM:
Copying Jonah Goldberg's opinion because you don't have the wherewithal to express yourself on the subject? So, one is to infer that you support all of Mr. Goldberg's political positions? This is supposed to be some sort of gotcha?
Or does this just constitute projection on your part; the idea that the left requires strict conformance to their catholicism or risk excommunication therefore the Right must do so as well.
You know like WFBuckley in the 1950's, driven to obscurity for his stance advocating decriminalization of, IRC, all drugs?
Er, I mean ah, Dick Cheney hounded from office for his support of gay marriage years before Obama?
Uhhh, no, no, ... Bill Cosby being called a house nigger for advocating that Black leadership push for more personal responsibility in the community? Thaaat time???
If your snippet is truly representative of Mr. Goldberg's position on it; a highly skeptical conjecture indeed, but I am nothing if not gracious, then he is simply wrong. I thank God we have the Constitution to back me up.
That the government could place my name, or your name, on a list without due process (that means court hearings, lawyers, appeals, facing one's accuser...that complicated stuff) is chilling. Societies that have allowed such have been disastrous for humanity.
The NFList is flawed. No doubt. In some cases we should shit or get off the pot; charge them or not. It is a triage effort in a sub-rosa war, a coarse filter, the 80/20 rule in action. A necessity with inadequate resources but not enough to steal anyone's rights.
You appear to take the position that the NFList would have stopped the attack in San Bernadino. What would have qualified him for such a list? Middle Eastern heritage? Muslim religion?
So, essentially you advocate disarming all Middle Eastern muslims.
OK. I got it. We've all got it.
Why don't those evil, racist, xenophobic conservatives get it?
Except for Goldberg of course. That's why you like him.
"And now I hear wife had a K1 visa."
Source also S.B. police press conference.
12/3/15, 12:28 PM
Blogger Robert Cook said...
Monkeyboy said:
"Over Thanksgiving I had a conversation with my brother who just retired as a cop with counter-terror experience about Paris and decided I wasn't paranoid enough."
I don't know, of course, what this conversation consisted of or what information your brother may have conveyed to you. However, I have a relative who is retired from a major federal law enforcement agency, and this relative tends to see things from the point of view of a law enforcement agent. Which is to say, this relative's opinions are colored by a point of view that may have preexisted and influenced the choice of career, or the point of view may have been shaped by experience and peer influence over the course of the career, (or a preexisting point of view may have been reinforced by experience and peer influence throughout the career).
In other words, a police agent will tend to see things through a particular perspective, just as a criminal defense attorney and a prosecuting attorney will tend to see things from their respectively different perspectives, and any statements made must be evaluated in that light.
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All of which is cookese for "I have nothing to say. [Insert insinuation disguised as sage but shallow advice here]
*poof*
Spoken like a true...fascist.
Since fascism by your definition means "anything Robert Cook don't like" then I can't argue with you.
But If I am driving across country, for example, and a guy goes down to the gas station where I need to fill up before I leave and burns all their gas, then comes back and asks me for a ride, there is a good chance, by the same logic, I will tell him to fucking walk.
Rented SUV-check
Home bomb factory-check
Black tactical clothing-check
Assault vest-check
GoPro chest cameras-check
Recon killing ground for security-check
9mm handguns-check
AR rifles-check
1000s of ammo rounds stock piled in SUV-check
Pipe bombs in SUV-check
Muslims-check
Spin this into anything but Jihad-check
Cookie: "In other words, a police agent will tend to see things through a particular perspective, just as a criminal defense attorney and a prosecuting attorney will tend to see things from their respectively different perspectives, and any statements made must be evaluated in that light"
And a Maoist/Marxist/Stalinist will tend to see things through a particular warped perspective and any statements, for instance related to conspiracy beliefs about particular former Republican administrations as well as knee-jerk reactions in defense of leftist/non-western nation actions, must be evaluated in that light.
Blogger David said...
Birches said...
@ Maybee
Perhaps he picked her up specifically for jihad--That's why they were married. Yikes.
Or vice versa. Why assume that he was the leader?
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Women!! There is NOTHING they can't do!! And have babies, too!
Get with the program.
@jeff Google bumpski stock, I love mine, takes a little practice though.
I'm familiar with the bumpski stock. After watching Bubba with a bumpski burn through a 45 round magazine on youtube, I'm convinced the firefight video included a volley of fully automatic. We won't ever know how it was accomplished, but how hard can it be to smuggle the appropriate parts, and build it up from legally acquired parts.
"Opposing fracking is an EXCELLENT reason to put somebody on a no-fly list. Let him fucking walk."
Spoken like a true...fascist.
..or frankly any other type of Lefty for that matter.
But I understand and agree with the reference to the hypocrisy of the typical Lefty.
The pro-choice/abortionists and clinical cannibals (e.g. Planned Parenthood) are relieved that someone else's "final solution" has replaced them on the front page.
In other words, a police agent will tend to see things through a particular perspective
Oh I agree with that. When you see man's inhumanity to man a lot it colors your perspective of the species in general. I'm retired military and he and I share a worldview that we would call realistic and most would say is paranoid.
Having said that bad things do happen to good people, and I highly recommend being trained in advanced first aid as a general rule.
harrogate @ 11:07,
I think you really need to please tell this to sunsong and georgie as they have both recently lectured the Althouse commentariat that they are insufficiently sensitive to innocent victims. You can't win. So I try not to play. Even so, not believing the sincerity of someone's condolences is not the same as actively mocking them.
Georgie discovers ambiguity at 10:39 this morning. LOL!
"It's not a coincidence, true. What it seems to be is a whole lot of people are sick of the "prayers and thoughts" tweets and messages from politicians and citizens alike, after every one of these mass shootings. A lot of us are pushing back against this bromide, by pointing out the obvious truth that "your prayers do nothing."
My apologies for spelling out the obvious but you really do seem not to understand."
You know what? You've convinced me. Why, it is the height of absurdity to believe that this was a horrendously failed attempt to control the narrative and not simply a natural reaction.
I mean, there is no more natural an event than seeing a bunch of media folks with a history of trying to control the news cycle react in the exact same manner, with pretty much the exact same remarks, stemming from the exact same incident at the same time as each other.
Clearly this was in no way, shape, or form a pre-planned effort.
I wonder if Robert Cook doesn't realize that it takes energy that comes out of the ground to get a 700 thousand pound aircraft off the ground? Or does he simply have no sense of humor. Who cares? Result is the same.
"And a Maoist/Marxist/Stalinist will tend to see things through a particular warped perspective and any statements, for instance related to conspiracy beliefs about particular former Republican administrations as well as knee-jerk reactions in defense of leftist/non-western nation actions, must be evaluated in that light."
Of course. I don't know who this "Maoist/Marxist/Stalinist" you refer to may be, but it goes without saying that we all express opinions based on our biases and on our understanding of the world.
Blogger Original Mike said...
"I'm hearing now that there are no GoPro cameras.
Anyone have a source on this?"
San Bernardino police spokesman at press conference which just wrapped up.
He said there aren't any, or there are?
Thanks.
Cookie: "...but it goes without saying that we all express opinions based on our biases and on our understanding of the world."
If it goes without saying, why did you feel it necessary to say it and then limit the focus of your comment specifically to a "police agent"?
Cookie: "Of course. I don't know who this "Maoist/Marxist/Stalinist" you refer to may be..."
No, of course not. Forget I wrote it. Couldn't be further from the truth. Perish the thought. Pay it no never mind (best said with a strong southern US accent).
Of course, the conspiracy part of the comment is much more difficult to walk away from, what with your previous documented comments and all.
Eric said: "He said there aren't any, or there are?"
He said there were no cameras. I think it was the the S.B. Police Chief who conducted the press conference.
I just would like CAIR to hashtag 'All Muslim Lives Matter' and wait for the Shit Storm to truly begin.
I am Laslo.
tim in vermont said...
Hussam Ayloush urged people not to jump to conclusions regarding a motive.
After all, he said, it's not like he's a conservative!
This morning an NPR interviewer (Steve Innskeep I think) asked if the couple followed any particular "conservative" strains of Islam.
Robert Cook will spend no time lecturing leftists about their neurotic efforts to brand every bad thing in the world as conservative. He will instead make that claim about conservatives who object to lefties scoring cheap points tying terrorists to their real enemy.
"just hang out in back yard doing target pratice with younger sister and friends."
Are they dead too?
I suppose the gateway theory will be applied/gain ground regarding target shooters.
Have any of the surviving mentioned a cataclysmic interaction?
These gun free zones sure seem to be hazardous..
Blogger Original Mike said...
Eric said: "He said there aren't any, or there are?"
He said there were no cameras. I think it was the the S.B. Police Chief who conducted the press conference.
What I heard at this morning's presser was that the Police chief said that the shooters were wearing GoPro cameras, he then said when asked the question about his officers wearing cameras , "No".
re: cameras: Well, if I misheard I apologize.
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