[He] said that he felt sympathy for the refugees, but that he feared the sheer number of people dumped with little warning in places like this could offer “an ideal platform for the far right.”.Also quoted in the article is Holger Niemann, "32, an admirer of Hitler and the lone neo-Nazi on the elected district council": “It is bad for the people, but politically it is good for me.”
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"I get stomachaches from fear of what is going to happen — not just here but in the whole of Germany."
Said Dirk Hammer, a Sumte resident, quoted in a NYT article, "German Village of 102 Braces for 750 Asylum Seekers."
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Well that racial purity thing didn't work out for the Germans. This is a fresh new approach to Armageddon.
I read the. article. The Times reporter takes the trouble to find the one neo Nazi in the vicinity. I wonder if would take the same amount of trouble to find the one (ha!) Islamic fundamentalist among the refugees.
Stomachaches, eh? Pretty soon, that will be the least of his concerns.
For a little while, Progs will be able to prattle on about all the "far right" resistance to the invasion of their countries.
But then the existential choice has to be faced. Bavaria is edging closer already.
"I get stomachaches from fear of what is going to happen..."
When I read this I assumed Nancy Hopkins was back in the news somehow.
Diversity is your strength. Enjoy.
"Far-Right" these days essentially means "nationalist." Which in turn just means that you want your country to be a country and not a fragment of EUTopia. And that you'd like your population to be relatively stable, not massively overrun by migrants.
Seriously. The Lega Nord, the Front National, Fidesz, Alliance for Austria's Future ... We can leave Golden Dawn out of this, as it's not in the same league.
The anti-native policies of the left's social establishment will not end well for people in Europe, or anywhere else where they have precipitously provoked conflicts and started wars that displace people and leave behind a wasteland. Premature evacuation was the beginning, not the end of this global humanitarian disaster.
I fully expect a popular uprising and backlash against the Muslim invasion in Europe. It will not be pretty.
If I was Jewish and living in Europe, I'd be looking for a new home also, they aren't going to be picky once they get started.
As for the "fear of being thought as racist" — that gets our attention, and we could muse forever about how to talk about race in the context of patterns of criminal behavior — but it doesn't explain...the failure to deal with rampant crime. - Althouse
It perfectly explains your failure to discuss race policy and immigration in a straightforward, honest way. You offer nothing but virtue signalling.
My friend in Germany said he woke-up to the sound of leaf blowers one morning. He thought maybe his wife got tired of waiting for him to rake the leaves and take them to the city compost.
He looked outside and there was four men doing his big yard! It was cold too!
Turns out the city had a bunch of Arabs and they were all bored and asked to do anything to get outside and work. So they suggested they clean up all the leaves. Boom!
My friend said he found himself smiling because the migrants were so happy to be doing something that was worthwhile. So, he's asked the city if he should buy them a case of beer, or whether they don't drink alcohol, buy them something they need.
"Right-wing" socialists. Dats funny. As won't be the future Eurabia.
In speeches, Hitler made apparently warm references towards Muslim culture such as: "The peoples of Islam will always be closer to us than, for example, France".
Coupe said...[unbelievable story]
So, he's asked the city if he should buy them a case of beer, or whether they don't drink alcohol, buy them something they need.
Do you realize how pitiful that sounds?
The Germans have a misplaced reputation for intelligence. First they get rid of their Jews. Now in their infinitely foolishness they have instituted a Muslim Retirement Plan.
Yes Hans, Mohamed is sure going to work his butt off to pay for your retirement. Yes you keep on believing that instead of your lying eyes.
On the other hand Dietrich might get in touch with his inner Nazi which for many Germans isn't that difficult to get in touch with and things might get a bit too retro.
As noted above by Gahrie for the few Jews in Germany now is a good time to think about getting out of Dodge. Indeed for all of the remaining Jews in Europe.
Fernandinande said..."The peoples of Islam will always be closer to us than, for example, France"
Funny story, Islam has invaded France in a big way. The culture of France from before 50 years ago is gone forever, and it might be a good thing, since everyone hated those war-starting bastards anyway.
My friend went to the farmers market and decided to buy the migrants a sheep to slaughter. He just has to figure out a way to fit it into his Peugeot.
There are all sorts of stable social systems.
Stable means that if you perturb it a little, it goes back to the way it was.
But if you completely break down the walls of the valley it's living in, it's no longer stable. Say you import a lot of jihadists in waiting.
So Germany goes Arab. Congratulations, liberals. You'll have to move, of course, on to the next Western nation. You can't have enough Arab nations, one after another.
The Cult of Diversity has yet to absorb Bob Putnam's seminal finding in his study of diversity in communities. Higher ethnic diversity is correlated with low trust. And not just between different ethnic groups but among members of the same ethnic group. Anyone who's read Fukuyama's 1995 book Trust can guess what's in store for these communities.
IOW, we shouldn't flood Germany with unwanted migrants. Not because its bad for average Germans - who the hell cares about that. No, its because it might be bad for the Left.
Yep, that's the way the Left thinks.
"The Germans have a misplaced reputation for intelligence. First they get rid of their Jews."
There is a theory, credible to me, that Europe's destruction and expulsion of the Jews is the reason why they have stagnated the past 70 years. Paul Johnson, in "The History of the Jews," postulates that the Jews invented capitalism in the middle ages when they had to invent a mobile system of value that could be moved from place to place when they were not allowed to own property and could be forced to emigrate on short notice.
Now, Europe is replacing the Jews who have been noted for high intelligence and innovation, with a population that memorizes the Quran and has a social structure common in the 7th century. Israel is probably the most inventive and innovative society on Earth.
Hail to the future !
"And this is how you make schnitzel."
[He] said that he felt sympathy for the refugees, but that he feared the sheer number of people dumped with little warning in places like this could offer “an ideal platform for the far right.”
For the last 40-50 years, all the sane people who pointed out the likeliest consequences of the elites' daft multiculturalist messianism have been shouted down as "right-wing extremists". (Or worse, faced fines, jail terms, had their careers and lives destroyed.) I'd bet you anything that this man, like most people, has spent these last decades nodding along with this persecution and harassment, always publicly assenting to the reigning diversity dogmas, always pursing his lips and virtue-signaling like mad. Even now, when the insanity is coming to his doorstep, he still refuses to acknowledge that, hey, maybe the earlier critics had a point. No, the only real problem is the "right-wing extremists" - not the policy, not the newcomers, not the loons in their government bubbles. As long as we keep the "right-wing extremists" suppressed, everything will be all right.
And that's the awful irony. The very dogmas and policies that have been pursued for purpose of preventing violence and extremism, are the cause of the growing violence and extremism. If you don't like Nazis, fucking with the citizenry until they're ready to explode is not a recommended method for keeping out infestations of Nazism.
And I doubt the NYT writer even noticed the supreme irony of the above speaker's complaint about the Nazi on the district council:
“We have to take a clear stand against these people,” Mr. Hammer said later, noting that his family had lived in Sumte for 400 years. He dismissed Mr. Niemann, who lives in a village a couple of miles down the road, as a disruptive outsider."
Why, Mr. Hammer, shame on you, "Othering" those outsiders. Just because you and yours have been in some place for a while doesn't give you any special rights! Check your privilege, nativist!
And Enoch Powell smiles.
Michael K: Now, Europe is replacing the Jews who have been noted for high intelligence and innovation, with a population that memorizes the Quran and has a social structure common in the 7th century.
Unfortunately, even highly intelligent people can be very stupid about some things. There are European Jews who are great patriots and relentless critics of multi-culturalism, but Jews can also be found among the enthusiastic supporters of the most vindictively anti-native forms of that deluded dogma. I don't have any sympathy for the latter.
cubanbob: On the other hand Dietrich might get in touch with his inner Nazi which for many Germans isn't that difficult to get in touch with and things might get a bit too retro.
If you want to blame Germans who weren't even alive during WWII for Hitler, then STFU and accept it when progs demand you repent forever for slavery and racism.
German children being beaten down for the last half-century with an indoctrination system that tells them that they and their people are uniquely evil is part of the problem. (Sound familiar? Sorry, no, Germans aren't uniquely evil among humans.) Playing on the "guilt" of the long and heavily propagandized German populace is one of the tools used by the loons in charge to push their lunacies.
(I'm listening to Beethoven while I read this comment thread, which makes the "Frogs/krauts/etc. suck!" attitude often found on this blog sound even stupider than usual.)
"German children being beaten down for the last half-century with an indoctrination system that tells them that they and their people are uniquely evil is part of the problem"
Yes, but not beaten down exactly. It's more like: "Look at how good we are in recognizing our badness! We are the post-Nazi anti-Nazis!" Hence Merkel's response to Netanyahu: don't you dare doubt our guilt for the Holocaust. Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.
We are so guilty, we have to accept Muslims. We'd be Nazis not to.
“We have to take a clear stand against these people,” Mr. Hammer said later, noting that his family had lived in Sumte for 400 years. He dismissed Mr. Niemann, who lives in a village a couple of miles down the road, as a disruptive outsider."
But Mr. Hammer is just fine with vast numbers of folks who "live in a village a couple" thousand miles down the road, coming in to his little town? Is he trying to make us believe that he thinks that bunch is going to be less disruptive to his 400-year-in-the-making lifestyle, than the German down the road?
Sometimes I just don't understand people.
The E.U. absorbed the wrong lessons from history. The E.U. was formed out of the disaster for Europe that was WWII. In that war, it was all about a world struggle between states, with two states, the USA & the USSR, coming out on top to the detriment of Europe.
But, a longer view of European history tells a different story --- of ethnic "assemblages", peoples on the move, who rampage across the landscape looking for land to settle or booty so that they can stay alive. The examples are many: the Norsemen getting settled in what then becomes Normandy in return for peace & fealty to the king of France; the Romans settling the Visigoths who come into the Empire from the East in the far West, i.e. what's now Spain; Attila the Hun, who runs out of cash years after his first set of rampages through Europe & so must go raiding again, caught out & killed by the Romans in France.
The EU must look to history to see what damage non-state actors can do. They also must re-learn the fact that the first duty of a state's standing army is to protect its borders. That's the original reason states have armies in the first place.
"Unfortunately, even highly intelligent people can be very stupid about some things."
I didn't credit all of them with wisdom. There are lots of Jews in Israel who oppose Netanyahu.
(I'm listening to Beethoven while I read this comment thread
The hell....so am I. Galitzin quartet 13, op 130. You - ?
Well, I would think that the average citizen in that little town would be more concerned about the utter lack of infrastructure. If you suddenly multiplied the population of NYC by 7 there would be a mess.
I literally laughed out loud about the 250 reduction for the sake of the sewers! It just shows how chaotic this all is - they are desperately searching for places to put them.
But then put yourself into the place of the refugees - this is not where they wanted to end up either. A lot of these rural shelters have people vanishing out of them, probably on their way north to Denmark, Norway and Sweden.
And then, in a place this small, if there is trouble there's no way to handle it. There are distinct groups coming across those borders, and they can't be mixed at a shelter like that.
Germans still venerate The Great Altar of Pergamun that they relocated to the Pergamun museum in Berlin. Jesus called that altar, used for offering sacrifice to Zeus, the Throne of Satan.
But then what would Jesus know?
Carol: The hell....so am I. Galitzin quartet 13, op 130. You - ?
Sonatas No. 1 in F major, op. 5; no. 2 in G minor op. 5, David Finckel and Wu Han.
Beethoven with a very serviceable Califoria sparkler, then a nice Chablis. Germany, USA, Taiwan, France. I'm totes multicultural here. Life is good.
No Beethoven here, today. Today I watch NZ v AUS in the rugby cup, and make pies. (I should be on McArdle's blog instead of this one, methinks.)
Coupe said...
My friend went to the farmers market and decided to buy the migrants a sheep to slaughter. He just has to figure out a way to fit it into his Peugeot.
Take it from me, a reformed sheep rustler (College prank, UCD), sheep are the stinkiest dumbest animals alive. Don't even try to pick up a sheep and put it in your trunk. The wool is covered with rancid lanolin.
Young Hegelian: But, a longer view of European history tells a different story --- of ethnic "assemblages", peoples on the move, who rampage across the landscape looking for land to settle or booty so that they can stay alive. The examples are many: the Norsemen getting settled in what then becomes Normandy in return for peace & fealty to the king of France; the Romans settling the Visigoths who come into the Empire from the East in the far West, i.e. what's now Spain; Attila the Hun, who runs out of cash years after his first set of rampages through Europe & so must go raiding again, caught out & killed by the Romans in France.
And the Ottomans, don't forget the Ottomans - of whom certain states and persons being shoved into the "Nazi" box by the usual suspects have some vague, if rather more recent than Late Antiquity, memories.
The EU must look to history to see what damage non-state actors can do. They also must re-learn the fact that the first duty of a state's standing army is to protect its borders. That's the original reason states have armies in the first place.
Unfortunately the EU apparatchik's history disc has a couple of scratches on the vinyl: the needle only jumps from 1968, 1968, 1968, 1968 to 1933, 1933, 1933, 1933...
Carol said...
(I'm listening to Beethoven while I read this comment thread
LOL, earlier in the day I was watching Band of Brothers, Episode 9. Beethoven String Quartet No. 14 C Sharp Minor
AKA, "Tell you one thing bout the Krauts, they sure do clean up good"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YD-PcQ-jJM
So, you grow up and/or move to a small town and like it that way. Then one day, the government says that they're going to increase the size of the town by over 800%. Believing that this is a bad thing is racist?
Wouldn't sending one family or two be a bit more reasonable? I'm sure they can find a few refugees who would refer living in a small town.
Lived in Germany a dozen years. I never saw a 'beat down' or heard that the school system was pushing the 'uniquely evil' aspect of it. They did ask that question a lot, but most Germans bzw, all Germans I know have come to the conclusion that they are not. Many came to some quite opposite conclusions actually, such as the US was just as/more evil for:
a.) dropping the bomb
b.) Vietnam
c.) Abu Ghraib
d.) ruining the world's environment
e) any war during a Republican administration
There is still a strong anti-Semitic streak in that country and it's not just Sepp Maier in Unterdindlsheim, it's university students and the 'anti-Zionist' Socialist elite...the 'left wing' Baader-Meinhof Gruppe trained with, not coincidentally, the Palestinians. The Baath Party has Nazi roots. Interesting bedpartners, eh?
Sure the Germans were told about their role in the world. They did what they did. And they did it in WW1 as well. Read about their policy of strong retribution and of the many atrocities in Belgium carried out in the name of Dem Kaiser und Dem Deutschen Heer. In my mind they got off pretty lightly.
The Germans pretend that they are Pacifists. They maintain that the lesson of WW2 is that all wars are bad. What they should have learned is that some wars are necessary.
The Germans have been allowed to live in a utopian Socialist dreamstate courtesy the US Taxpayer. That dream is coming crashing down around their shoulders. Will events show them to be on the wrong side of history again?
At that point can we readdress the 'fatal flaw' issue?
mfG
The Germans may not have Law, but they will have Order...
Its fine to compare the relative decency of a group of people against, for instance, the complete history of the United States. Pick your time frame. But it only takes a few (Charlie Hebdo, 9/11, etc) to realize that generalities are a bad rationale in the absence of common sense.
Michael K. said...
Now, Europe is replacing the Jews who have been noted for high intelligence and innovation, with a population that memorizes the Quran and has a social structure common in the 7th century.
Natual History of Ashkenazi Intelligence
... "There are several key observations that motivate our hypothesis. The first is that the Ashkenazi Jews have the highest average IQ of any ethnic group, combined with an unusual cognitive profile, while no similar elevation of intelligence was observed among Jews in classical times nor is one seen in Sephardic and Oriental Jews today."
Anglelyne you see things through an America prism except Germans (and all of the other Europeans) aren't Americans. See them for what they really are. Americans they are not. Livermoron explained it rather well. In short, Europeans don't do assimilation well. They can tolerate a small and well behaved minority that knows its place. They do not and ultimately will not tolerate a ethnic and culturally overthrow. Like I said before The Muslim Retirement Plan will fail and before that is finally and irrefutably proven true the Germans (and the rest) will go from "multicult" left to nationalist, nativist left.
Anglelyne said...
(I'm listening to Beethoven while I read this comment thread, which makes the "Frogs/krauts/etc. suck!" attitude often found on this blog sound even stupider than usual.)
They opened a Chinese restaurant in Berlin. Two hours after you eat dinner, you're hungry for power.
I'll never forgive the Nazis for how they treated my grandad in that concentration camp during the war. Five years he was there on that machine gun tower, and he never got a single promotion.
Hitler wasn't such a bad guy - after all, he did kill Hitler.
Drill Sgt - I have been reading the local german newspapers online for a while, and in fact the most disturbing thing about the influx to many is the disorder. The system is overwhelmed. People who are volunteer workers at the shelters are reporting that the refugees don't know where they are being sent, that some arrive having not been registered yet, whereas some have been registered already two or three times, etc. And not all of them are well-behaved. There are robberies and other malfeasances happening at the shelters and perhaps in the areas.
But the other looming disaster is that German policy toward refugees is quite generous - indeed, significantly more generous than it has been to the East German population. Many of those people lost their jobs and never got new ones, and are eking out a very precarious existence on very minimal benefits.
This is a recipe for extreme social disorder. The Germans, as a whole, strongly disapprove of hostility toward refugees, but also strongly favor a consensus, ordered settlement of such issues. There isn't going to be one here.
Joe - they don't have space. They've got thousands of people living in tents, with winter coming on. They are looking for buildings in which they can be housed all over Germany, and inevitably, many of them will be found in the depopulated areas of East Germany. When the jobs went, the young people all went. They have abandoned commercial and municipal buildings.
But they don't have the infrastructure any more for these people.
"while no similar elevation of intelligence was observed among Jews in classical times nor is one seen in Sephardic and Oriental Jews today."
It's possible this is true but I wonder how much study has been made of these populations who are more recent to education? My dental hygienist is a black Ethiopian young woman who was taken to Israel with the migration 30 years ago and educated there. We will see how they do if the Iranians don't kill them.
cubanbob: Anglelyne you see things through an America prism except Germans (and all of the other Europeans) aren't Americans. See them for what they really are. Americans they are not.
Says the guy who's responding to the topic like a cartoon of an American talking about Europe.
Livermoron explained it rather well.
Livermoron is not the only person who knows Germans and Germany. He's trite and biased, but he reflects your own (trite) biases, so of course you think he "explains it all".
Many Germans are knee-jerkingly anti-American? Wow, who knew? Doesn't refute my observations. And btw, I'm not some great admirer of ordinary German culture (outside of its high culture that everybody appreciates).
In short, Europeans don't do assimilation well.
Uh, who's saying they do? To whom are you talking here? And why should they, anyway? Hey, cubanbob, as somebody said - Germans are not Americans. Stop looking at them as if they should be Americans.
They can tolerate a small and well behaved minority that knows its place. They do not and ultimately will not tolerate a ethnic and culturally overthrow.
One hopes. You say that like it's a bad thing.
Like I said before The Muslim Retirement Plan will fail...
Is there somebody here who's arguing that the idiotic "they'll save our pensions" idea will work? Or do you just feel like bloviating on that particular point right now? Do you bother to read what you're responding to before you start babbling? (Iirc, I think it was you who once jumped all over me about "the pay gap" - lol, as if I ever believed in or argued for that "70 cents to the dollar pay gap" bullshit. Learn how to read, for chrissakes.)
...and before that is finally and irrefutably proven true the Germans (and the rest) will go from "multicult" left to nationalist, nativist left.
There is a potential for a swing to nationalism and nativism? Thanks for the deep insight into the situation in Europe there, cb. Knock us all over with a feather.
One hopes that Germany and the rest of Europe will free itself of the multi-cult shackles. Whether the civilizational energy is left to do just that - well, pessimism is not unfounded. It's not like they're going to be getting any help from our government, which has been pushing the multi-cult, anti-national bullshit on Europe for a long time now. (What, you thought we were the good guys here?)
Sebastian: We are so guilty, we have to accept Muslims. We'd be Nazis not to.
Sounds pretty beaten down to me.
Germany is toast. As is Sweden.
The invasion is not letting up.
There is very little housing and no jobs. It will be interesting to see how long the generous welfare benefits will be doled out. A coworker who frequently visits family there (Germany). says they're not happy with the burkha clad immigrants they already have that don't work and aren't assimilating. Her words.
thank god we're not in europe.
1. I think the creation of the EU is just the final stage in Germany's relentless drive to conquer Europe while at the same time getting rid of true democracy. We think they lost WW I and WW II, and maybe they did, but they learned and now have figured out how to do it the easy way... all while maintaining plausible deniability. Clever.
Marx preached you had to take power through violent means. He was wrong. See Gramsci, the Frankfurt School, the New Left, etc., etc... and Alinsky, Obama, Hillary, etc., etc. Sneaky.
2. All of Europe has always been anti-Semitic; they're not ashamed, like I mentioned above, they learned an easier way of doing things: importing thugs to do their dirty work. And still maintaining plausible deniability! Very clever.
Althouse would celebrate the demise of Germany, so strong is her antagonism against that nation.
Fernandinande said...
Hitler wasn't such a bad guy - after all, he did kill Hitler.
10/31/15, 7:29 PM
LOL!Oh brother- That's a good one... still laughing!
Angelyne: Trite and biased? Project much? You really know nothing of Germany and how they view the world. Did you spend more than a decade living with them as I have? Are you fluent in German and well-read in their literature? You give no basis for your "knowledge". I see you'd rather call names than actually engage in a discussion on your nonsensical ideas. You haven't sat in the student pubs and argued with their belief that the US is just as bad as Germany. In fact, it sounds like you agree with them.
That some Germans feel guilt about their recent past seems to mean to you that they are 'beaten down'. Odd worldview you have.
Please tell us, what should they be feeling?
The lessons from WW2 are lost on you.
Pity that you have blinded yourself.
Annie said:
they're not happy with the burkha clad immigrants they already have that don't work and aren't assimilating. Her words.
Common feeling. My Sister and B-I-L are both teachers in Germany. He's a not-so-reformed Communist and she's just very liberal who strongly supports the Frankfurt School ideas of Adorno and Halbermas. They call the Muslim women 'Penguins'.
The asylum seekers are not allowed to work in Germany by law. My wife's village had an asylum camp (actually they were given the local castle). Local crime went up over 300%.
We should offer to take the European refugees displaced by the middle eastern refugees - especially if they are Jewish.
Coupe: I don't believe your story. I have known quite a few Arabs and none wants to be seen doing manual labor.
Livermoron: You haven't sat in the student pubs and argued with their belief that the US is just as bad as Germany.
Why you are arguing with me as if I denied that Germans are very anti-American, I do not know.
Look, Livermoron: cubanbob made a dumb, trite comment about Dietrich's inner Nazi and I called him on it. You appear to be arguing with the "nonsensical ideas" that he then pulled out of his ass and attributed to me as he swung in Ritmovian weasel mode, not anything I said here.
You are correct, I do not have your extensive personal experience with Germans and Germany. But you see, I derive my ideas about the effects of educational propaganda on German attitudes (and everyone in the West has been "beaten down" by decades of anti-national, Multi-Kult propaganda) from natives, or people whose expat experience is at least as extensive as your own, so I have no reason to give more weight to your appeals to expertise than I give to theirs. I also note that nothing you said about German "pacifism" or anti-Americanism is incompatible with those particular views. (Frankly, I don't have any clear idea of what you're arguing against regarding anything I wrote here, and I suspect you don't, either.)
You appear to be arguing with the "nonsensical ideas" that he then pulled out of his ass and attributed to me as he swung in Ritmovian weasel mode, not anything I said here.
"Ritmovian" is a great turn of phrase. It rhymes with "Rovian"
Genuine question:
When have populations with different cultural mores ever mixed without significant violence?
Asia and Africa provide no examples, to my recollection.
The Americas either.
Why would anybody think this will end differently?
MaxedOutMama said...
"... And not all of them are well-behaved."
Yeah, that could be an issue.
john marzan said...
"thank god we're not in europe."
You think that makes a difference? Did you know that the people who decide which "asylum seekers" get sent to the US work for the UN? Which is to say, they work for HAMAS?
The failure of Muslim immigration into Europe has been that the children of immigrants have tended to be more radical than their parents, and the children of these children even more radical than that. So long as this dynamic holds, one can't reasonably expect this to end well.
Of course, that's hardly a "failure" from a jihadist/Muslim supremacist PoV, even if it's more accurately described as a "catastrophe" than a mere "failure" from the PoV of anyone who might wish to preserve what's left of European culture.
Viewed from a distance, one might wonder if Europeans have so internalized disgust with European culture that they wish nothing more than that it should cease to exist.
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