१८ जून, २०१५

Jack Lew explains why the Treasury Department is putting a woman on the $10 bill.



I'll save you the trouble of watching that clip. The reason is that women are "important" and it's "important" for "women and men" to know that women are "important." Now, just picture a smarmy smile on a bureaucrat and you've got it.

Yeah, but why the $10 bill? I thought there was a movement to get a woman on the $20 bill... and part of it was about the nefariousness of Andrew Jackson? Why have we turned our sights on Alexander Hamilton?

No answer to that, just some weird assurance that Hamilton will remain on the $10, sharing the space with the lucky woman, who may or may not be Harriet Tubman. A woman can't get a bill of her own?!

Why pick on Hamilton? He was a black man, wasn't he? From Ron Chernow's biography "Alexander Hamilton":
Hamilton was portrayed [by George Clinton, writing as "Cato"] as the uppity “Tom S** t” (Tom Shit) and introduced as a “mustee”— the offspring of a white person and a quadroon. This was the first time that Hamilton’s opponents tried to denigrate him with charges of mixed racial ancestry. Tom Shit is mocked for his “Creolian” writing. In a soliloquy, Tom, a conceited upstart and British lackey, says, “My dear masters, I am indeed leading a very hard life in your service…. Consider the great sacrifices I have made for you. By birth a subject of his Danish Majesty, I quitted my native soil in the torrid zone and called myself a North American for your sakes.” Tom is accused of having sent his “Phocion” essays, defending persecuted Tories, straight from the king’s printer in England. After castigating Hamilton as a treacherous foreigner, the author refers to Washington as Hamilton’s “immaculate daddy,” a snide reference to Hamilton’s illegitimacy.... (Page 245.)

११८ टिप्पण्या:

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan म्हणाले...

Another moronic race obsessed post.

Gahrie म्हणाले...

Hamilton was the first of example of the rags to riches stories that America has become so famous for. He was born a poor bastard, moved to the American colonies and became a great man.

Aaron Burr on the other hand was an asshole.

Jaq म्हणाले...

Another moronic race obsessed post

ARM is now into just posting a meta abstract of his own comments. What surprises me is his brutally honest appraisal of his own writing.

Gahrie म्हणाले...

For the majority of our country's existence, there was only women on our money and no men.

The first men to appear on American coins were Indians. The only woman currently featured on our money is an Indian.

Ann Althouse म्हणाले...

"A persistent mythology in the Caribbean asserts that Rachel was partly black, making Alexander Hamilton a quadroon or an octoroon. In this obsessively race-conscious society, however, Rachel was invariably listed among the whites on local tax rolls. Her identification as someone of mixed race has no basis in verifiable fact. (See pages 734– 35.) The folklore that Hamilton was mulatto probably arose from the incontestable truth that many, if not most, illegitimate children in the West Indies bore mixed blood. At the time of Rachel’s birth, the four thousand slaves on Nevis outnumbered whites by a ratio of four to one, making inequitable carnal relations between black slaves and white masters a dreadful commonplace."

Chernow, Ron (2005-03-29). Alexander Hamilton (p. 9). Penguin Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.

Brando म्हणाले...

Sadly I can't think of women who made a major impact on U.S. history. The suffragettes (e.g., Susan Anthony) helped women get the vote, but that didn't really affect the country at large so much as a specific subset of the country. Tubman helped free a lot of slaves, but that was a trickle compared to Lincoln.

It's not an indictment of women so much as an indictment of how male-dominated our society has been for most of its history.

If they have to put a woman on a bill though Tubman's as good a choice as any--unlike Eleanor Roosevelt, there's no real controversy whether Tubman had a positive impact.

Why encroach on anyone else's place on the currency, though? I thought we were moving toward dollar coins--why not just put here on that?

Ann Althouse म्हणाले...

Hamilton wrote: "my birth is the subject of the most humiliating criticism."

Gahrie म्हणाले...

It's not an indictment of women so much as an indictment of how male-dominated our society has been for most of its history.

Again, for most of our nation's history our money featured only women and no men.

If they have to put a woman on a bill though Tubman's as good a choice as any--unlike Eleanor Roosevelt, there's no real controversy whether Tubman had a positive impact.

I agree that Tubman is a good choice if you are going to feature a woman. I would nominate Abigail Adams or Dolly Madison.

Why encroach on anyone else's place on the currency, though? I thought we were moving toward dollar coins--why not just put here on that?

The dollar coin currently features a woman, Sacajawea, and before her featured Susan B Anthony.

Gahrie म्हणाले...

Hamilton wrote: "my birth is the subject of the most humiliating criticism."

No..he wrote "It seems my birth is the subject of the most humiliating criticism."

Your quote implies he agreed with the judgments people were making, when it is clear from what he actually wrote that he disagreed with those who were judging him.

Ann Althouse म्हणाले...

The use of "seems" there isn't to cast doubt on the existence of the humiliating criticism!

That's an arch usage of "seems" that did not make my omission of it deceptive or inaccurate in any way. And, yes, as I quoted it you can see that he's unhappy with what people say about him.

You also seem to be forgetting that a person does not have first-hand knowledge of the facts surrounding his own birth. You only know by hearsay that your mother is your mother, and the ancestry of your mother is even further removed.

Brando म्हणाले...

"Again, for most of our nation's history our money featured only women and no men."

I didn't mean the lack of women on money (we do have Sacagawea and Anthony coins still I think) but rather the lack of women who made the impact of say Lincoln, Washington, etc.

"I would nominate Abigail Adams or Dolly Madison."

Of the available choices they were good ones--though they still pale in comparison to founding fathers and presidents. Maybe Condi Rice if she wasn't still alive.

"The dollar coin currently features a woman, Sacajawea, and before her featured Susan B Anthony."

In that case, we're covered! If they need something new for Tubman, maybe a $2 coin? With inflation it makes sense to have one for vending machines.

Gahrie म्हणाले...

In that case, we're covered! If they need something new for Tubman, maybe a $2 coin? With inflation it makes sense to have one for vending machines

One of the reasons why dollar coins have not taken off is that neither vending machines, or cash drawers, are designed to use them. The Ike dollars were too big, and the Susan B Anthony dollars were too similar to the quarter.

Fen म्हणाले...

I'm hearing noise that claims Tubman was just a figurehead used to put a black face on the underground railroad, that it was really run by white males and that the Tubman story is more PCBS than fact.

Anything to it?

Gahrie म्हणाले...

So, are we going to have to endure a series of posts implying that not only Lincoln was Black, but he was gay?

Fen म्हणाले...

Regardless, my vote is for Emma "matress girl" Sulkowicz. You've come along way baby! And I don't mean that in a rapey way.

Gahrie म्हणाले...

I'm hearing noise that claims Tubman was just a figurehead used to put a black face on the underground railroad, that it was really run by white males and that the Tubman story is more PCBS than fact.

The Underground Railroad was organized and run by White people, necessarily so. However Tubman did work the Underground Railroad, and did risk her life to free runaway slaves.

Michael K म्हणाले...

"Another moronic race obsessed controversy."

FIFY

I agree with "Mattress Girl" on the ten. It seems only fitting in this sex obsessed era.

Brando म्हणाले...

"One of the reasons why dollar coins have not taken off is that neither vending machines, or cash drawers, are designed to use them. The Ike dollars were too big, and the Susan B Anthony dollars were too similar to the quarter."

Ok, if coins are out, then I propose the $15 bill. How many times do you wish you had denominations bigger than a ten, but smaller than a 20?

Shane म्हणाले...

Yoko Ono,
"Mattress Girl" -or Queen Elizabeth 2.

tim maguire म्हणाले...

How about Edith Wilson--our first female president. And if somebody has to lose, better Jackson than Hamilton.

Hagar म्हणाले...
ही टिप्पणी लेखकाना हलविली आहे.
Tank म्हणाले...

If we're going to honor a great woman in America it should, obviously, be Ayn Rand. An immigrant who loved America, loved the idea of America, loved freedom, loved Capitalism (not crony Capitalism) and was a bit of whack job. Really, the perfect "woman" to be on the two dollar bill.

Has any woman in America influenced more people than Ayn Rand?

A Rand on our money and a Rand in the White House. That's entertainment!

Hagar म्हणाले...

It has been 200 years, but they are finally getting him.
The Democrats (though "Republicans" then) have always hated Hamilton for favoring a strong central government (by the standards of that day) and for setting the fledgling United States on a firm financial footing, not to mention the personal animosity for opposing Jefferson and his cohorts.

Jefferson was not a man to take opposition with equanimity.

Curious George म्हणाले...

"Fen said...
Regardless, my vote is for Emma "matress girl" Sulkowicz. You've come along way baby! And I don't mean that in a rapey way."

Face down on the front, ass up on the back.

rehajm म्हणाले...

Yesterday I paid for a new computer with Apple Pay- way cool!

matthew49 म्हणाले...

Queen Elizabeth I. If Philip II and the Spanish Armada had prevailed there would have been no English settlement of North America.

Rusty म्हणाले...

AReasonableMan said...
Another moronic race obsessed post.


It's a moronic race obsessed subject.

Wince म्हणाले...

The reason is that women are "important" and it's "important" for "women and men" to know that women are "important." Now, just picture a smarmy smile on a bureaucrat and you've got it.

Lew wasn't just announcing the release of new currency, he felt he has to "signal" how "pleased as punched" the Obama administration was that this will finally be rectified... well into the next administration.

MayBee म्हणाले...

What a weird rollout. Obviously a PR move. To announce it's going to happen and try to get people talking about who? who? Who will it be?

Our government as a lifestyle brand part 1201

Hagar म्हणाले...

To represent the Democrat vision, I would suggest Rachel Dolezal.

अनामित म्हणाले...

Clara Barton

traditionalguy म्हणाले...

I suggest Marilyn Monroe. She had it all. Brains, beauty , and intimate knowledge of Broadway, Hollywood, Baseball, the Kennedy Family and many others. If she had lived in the time of Hamilton and Jefferson and great founder guys she would have known them well too.

Because Gentleman prefer blondes.

traditionalguy म्हणाले...

Drill Sgt is right. Clara Barton wins it going away.

Rick म्हणाले...

I thought we were moving toward dollar coins--why not just put here on that?

It would be taken as an insult.

ThreeSheets म्हणाले...

Don't we already have two woman on $1 coins? Susan B. Anthony and Sacagawea?

Move Washington to the $10 and phase out $1 bills.

Done.

who-knew म्हणाले...

Actually, the real reason dollar coins don't take off is that the gov't keeps printing one dollar bills. This is stupid because they cost more to print than they're worth, but apparently people prefer them to coins. A less chickenshit gov't would drop pennies (and maybe nickels) because they're worthless mint dollar coins instead of dollar bills. However, no one wants to face all the complaints they'd get between the time they made the change and the time everyone got used to it.

Todd म्हणाले...

If it is standard practice to only put deceased persons on currency, I would propose Hillary! for a new 3 dollar bill.

I half expect that for that sort of recognition, Hillary! would willing make the requisite sacrifice to qualify.

MayBee म्हणाले...

$1 coins are too hard to distinguish from quarters, and too many people don't remember they exist.

I know I have given and gotten $1 coins as change by accident. If we are going to make larger denomination coins, we need more diversity.

sinz52 म्हणाले...

My suggestion for a woman to put on the $10 or $20 bill:

Helen Keller.

Todd म्हणाले...

who-knew said...
Actually, the real reason dollar coins don't take off is that the gov't keeps printing one dollar bills. This is stupid because they cost more to print than they're worth, but apparently people prefer them to coins. A less chickenshit gov't would drop pennies (and maybe nickels) because they're worthless mint dollar coins instead of dollar bills. However, no one wants to face all the complaints they'd get between the time they made the change and the time everyone got used to it.

6/18/15, 8:20 AM


Sorry but I don't know anyone that prefers the dollar coin over a dollar bill. They take up too much room in your pocket and they get heavy. Sure it costs more than it is worth to print dollar bills but so what? The Government wastes more than that on truly useless crap. This at least makes some sense to waste money on. Phase out the dollar coin. It is a failed experiment. Most modern vending machines have bill readers so that they can take $5s and $1s. Supporting the $1 coin too is a headache. It was always a cheap feeling coin as well. It tarnished quickly and was too close to the size of a quarter.

Roughcoat म्हणाले...

Soooo ... How about those Chicago Blackhawks, huh?!

Hagar म्हणाले...

If Hamilton goes of the 10, Jackson goes off the 20 in the next administration!

Bob Boyd म्हणाले...

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We're going to need more denominations.

SGT Ted म्हणाले...

The reason is that women are "important" and it's "important" for "women and men" to know that women are "important."

I picture a little foot stamp and a flounce going along with that line.

Hagar म्हणाले...

I think it is still only the penny that it costs more to make than it is is worth.
Possibly also the nickel?
A dime now is worth about what a penny was worth when I came to this country.
The penny definitely should be dropped, and probably the nickel as well.

MayBee म्हणाले...

I've lived in 3 countries that use coins rather than lower denomination bills, and I can tell you walking around with all that change is a PITA

Laslo Spatula म्हणाले...

Women have no real concept of the value of money.

A compromise: we put pictures of them on credit cards instead.

I am Laslo.

Bob Boyd म्हणाले...

Put Tom Brady on a bill.
He's done more to reduce inflation than anyone in recent memory.

James Pawlak म्हणाले...

That woman should be Mr. Clinton's "THAT WOMAN".

The reverse of the note/bill might be a set of knee-pads as used by carpet installers AND others.

Alexander म्हणाले...

$1: Oprah Winfrey
$5: Caitlyn Jenner
$10: Margaret Sanger
$20: Rachel Carson
$100: Elizabeth Warren

Hillary gets all the coins, as is historically proper.

That or - and I'll have to consult Laslo on this one - perhaps we could just take all the nude hacked photos of female celebrities and use those as legal currency instead? They've got to be more intrinsically valuable.

5 Scarlett's for this loaf of bread - three if you put them in my pocket for me, two if you take your time about it.

Jaq म्हणाले...

A less chickenshit gov't

Ah yes, if only we weren't a democracy, we could sort this matter eftsoons! Thomas Friedman, is that you?

Mr. D म्हणाले...

If the political class wants to honestly demonstrate how much it values women, the obvious choice is Mary Jo Kopechne.

Sebastian म्हणाले...

Since the decisions will be based on merit rather than symbolism (no woman would accept mere pandering, right?), and no actual woman has been more important to the U.S. than Hamilton, the only possible replacement will be Lady liberty.

"The use of "seems" there isn't to cast doubt on the existence of the humiliating criticism! That's an arch usage of "seems" that did not make my omission of it deceptive or inaccurate in any way. And, yes, as I quoted it you can see that he's unhappy with what people say about him. You also seem to be forgetting that a person does not have first-hand knowledge of the facts surrounding his own birth. You only know by hearsay that your mother is your mother, and the ancestry of your mother is even further removed."

A cruelly neutral reader might find this overly defensive. The commenter's correction simply showed that the quote was incomplete in a way that misrepresented Hamilton's actual attitude.

Bobby म्हणाले...

Clara Barton would be a fantastic choice, but so is Harriett Tubman, so why not put each of them on a bill? In fact, I'd like to see a lot fewer government/political leaders on our currency and start honoring Americans who did great things and made our country great from outside the government, starting with Nikola Tesla, without whom our country would never have developed into the superpower that it became (and if you're going to put Tesla on a bill, then I think you probably have to balance with Edison, of course). Then maybe Jonas Salk. Albert Einstein. I can't use James Watson since he's still alive, so I'd round out my Top Five with the Wright Brothers.

Mitch H. म्हणाले...

Harriet Beecher Stowe, "the little woman who made this great war."

Laslo Spatula म्हणाले...

Putting dollar coins in a stripper's thong is a pain in the ass.

For her, especially. Because now there are all these coins stuck around her ass. Just naked ass, thong and coins. Uncomfortable.

I am Laslo.

Ignorance is Bliss म्हणाले...

Wouldn't Bo Derek be the obvious choice for a woman on a 10?

Laslo Spatula म्हणाले...

"Putting dollar coins in a stripper's thong is a pain in the ass."

For the man it is ALMOST like playing a slot machine.

Almost.

I am Laslo.

Hagar म्हणाले...

"Stonewall" Jack Lew did not say that Hamilton would remain on the 10 dollar bill; just that the bills with his portrait on them would remain in circulation until they wear out.
Which I do not think the Treasury of 2020 would go along with; they will call them in and exchange them for the new ones.

Ignorance is Bliss म्हणाले...

Plus she did the corn-rows thing, so maybe she was a black woman.

William म्हणाले...

I read the Chernow biography. Hamilton comes off looking very good and much better than Jefferson. He had a prickly temperament, but he was on the right side of most of the issues of his day, including slavery. Within the spectrum of the politics of that era, he was considered conservative. He favored industry, banking, and the abolition of slavery.......It's worth noting that the abolition of slavery was ultimately not based on some religious or philosophical insight about the worth or dignity of man but, rather, on the crass insight that the most effective way to exploit the labor of man is to hire only his labor. Capitalism was the engine that destroyed slavery, and Hamilton was one of its major prophets.........Jackson was definitely a bastard, but he was our bastard. Also, his biography is irresistible. That whole bit about refusing to shine the British officer's shoes gives him legendary status.

Wood duck म्हणाले...

Wait a minute, Barbara Bush is all ready on the 1 dollar bill ?

jono39 म्हणाले...

Quadroon? Hamilton's mother was a London whore working in Barbados. She was a Jew or Jewess or if you will, Jew,,,,ish. Which makes him?

etbass म्हणाले...

My list:

Oprah Winfrey
Michelle Obama
Caitlyn Jenner
Hillary Clinton
Sulkowicz
Ellen Degeneras
Rachel Dolezal
Jackie

All symbols of the modern American woman

tim maguire म्हणाले...

Canada has 1 and 2 dollar coins and no pennies. Dropping the penny was painless (it is still used in pricing, the register rounds the total bill up or down to the nearest nickel). The 1 and 2 dollar coins (the looney and the twoney) are a pain, but they are easily distinguishable, unlike the Susan B. Anthony quarter.

jr565 म्हणाले...

They are going to still put Hamilton on a bil they just have t come up with it yet. But that gpbegs the question, why didn't they just put the woman on the new bill?

अनामित म्हणाले...



Added bonus, both were Republicans. The anti-slavery thing...

MacMacConnell म्हणाले...

Tubman is a great choice, a black republican.

jr565 म्हणाले...

Gahrei wrote:
So, are we going to have to endure a series of posts implying that not only Lincoln was Black, but he was gay?


why not that he was also a transgendered woman. Go for,the trifecta.

jr565 म्हणाले...

If Hamilton goes of the 10, Jackson goes off the 20 in the next administration!

Hamilton would then go on the 20! Promotion!

n.n म्हणाले...

The forward looking activist would place a woman on the billion dollar bill or another practical denomination.

अनामित म्हणाले...

start honoring Americans who did great things and made our country great from outside the government, starting with Nikola Tesla, without whom our country would never have developed into the superpower that it became (and if you're going to put Tesla on a bill, then I think you probably have to balance with Edison, of course).

Lawrence, Teller, Oppenheimer, Ford, Fermi, Bell, in no particular order. Let progressives heads explode.

Rocketeer म्हणाले...

"One $10 Bill That Proves Feminism is Incredibly Fragile"

Sebastian म्हणाले...

"Lawrence, Teller, Oppenheimer, Ford, Fermi, Bell, in no particular order. Let progressives heads explode."

No fair. That way the first woman on any bill will be eligible in about 2215. At which time there will be no more bills. Maybe no U.S.

southcentralpa म्हणाले...

Jackson Day Dinners. You really had to ask ... ?

(They're phasing him out by going with Jefferson-Jackson Day Dinners in some places, so after they transition to Jefferson Day (and it will always have been Jefferson Day and we will always have been at war with Eastasia) they'll think about booting AJ off the Twenty.)

Sammy Finkelman म्हणाले...

Somebody gave more honor to Andrew Jackson than Alexander Hamilton!??

I guess it is because Alexander Hamilton was an opponent of Thomas Jefferson and Aaron Burr, who are considered Demcrats today, and thus would make him a proto-Republican - and he wa sa banker, too!

Whle Andrew Jackson, whatever else he was: slaveowner, murderer, persecutor of Indians, idiot, was a Democrat and he still remains one of the heroes of the Democratic Party. And he was against banks! He created a depression, but little things like that don't matter.

Sammy Finkelman म्हणाले...

Somebody gave more honor to Andrew Jackson than Alexander Hamilton!??

I guess it is because Alexander Hamilton was an opponent of Thomas Jefferson and Aaron Burr, who are considered Demcrats today, and thus would make him a proto-Republican - and he wa sa banker, too!

Whle Andrew Jackson, whatever else he was: slaveowner, murderer, persecutor of Indians, idiot, was a Democrat and he still remains one of the heroes of the Democratic Party. And he was against banks! He created a depression, but little things like that don't matter.

Anthony म्हणाले...

I'm with Tank - it should be Ayn Rand.

rhhardin म्हणाले...

Women have been on stock certificates for a long time, though not recently lest a hostile work environment be created.

I suggest one of those older designs.

A generic woman with big breasts.

rhhardin म्हणाले...

Women have also been on B17s and B29s.

rhhardin म्हणाले...

Prettier women should be on larger demonimations.

Skeptical Voter म्हणाले...

Well if it hadn't been for that unfortunate duel with Aaron Burr, Hamilton had a good shot at being our country's first "black" President. One can argue about what Hamilton's mother was "quadroon" "London Whore" "Jewess" etc. Whatever; she was a woman of low repute. And, if she wasn't "black" or some variant thereof, Hamilton could, like Rachel Dolezal, have "imagined" he was "black".

Thus we could have saved ourselves all the bother of electing Barack Obama. (Or for that matter old Billy Jeff Clinton, himself the son of a mother of mixed repute.)

Quaestor म्हणाले...

Every kid and many adults who were in public school when Black History Month was instituted knows about Harriet Tubman. (There's a Black History Month, but no month or even day dedicated to American history in general. No wonder Americans are such fucking idiots.) Actually a correction is called for -- what every kid knows is a story associated with an actual person called Harriet Tubman. Black History Month is misnamed. It should be called Black Hagiography Month because that's exactly what it is. Its purpose is not to teach history. Don't kid yourselves. The Harriet Tubman story may be true as given, partially true, or complete bullshit; its veracity is irrelevant.

Since everybody "knows" the received story, it follows that when the mad drive to put a woman on a piece of US currency arose on its jittery, fevered legs, everybody, at least everybody who can't locate the North American continent on a map, concluded that the honor must belong to Harriet Tubman, the greatest hero in the Universe (well, the greatest after Yoda). However, Quaestor is here to tell you all that the most important woman in American history, a woman greatly admired in her time for her acumen and courage, even by her enemies, is not even being considered for any official honors. She wasn't Black, so there's an obvious PC hostility directed her way, but there is a possibility she was "transgendered". Quaestor grants the Althouse crew a chance to reason out her identity on their own. Anyone with a well-rounded education should be able to guess.

Quaestor will return by 1 PM CDT with the answer.

Char Char Binks, Esq. म्हणाले...

Politics was a rough game in those days, as always, but in ways different from now. It was common for people to smear opponents with little regard for the truth, including leveling aspersions on a rival's ancestry, so claims of Hamilton's African or Jewish lineage are not necessarily credible. It was often a matter of honor, but the dishonor was not necessarily on the liar or defamer, but on the man who would countenance the infamy without fighting back, even to the point of dueling, and we know how that worked out for Al.

Jason म्हणाले...

As a descendant of Hamilton's, if we're going to put a woman's portrait alongside Hamilton's on the $10 dollar bill I nominate Maria Reynolds.

Original Mike म्हणाले...

".... I propose the $15 bill. How many times do you wish you had denominations bigger than a ten, but smaller than a 20?"

Literally never.

JAORE म्हणाले...

Kim Kardashian. Perfectly illustrating how inflation can cheapen things once held dear.

Hagar म्हणाले...

Alexander Hamilton founded our banking system. It is an outrage to not honor him on our currency.

rehajm म्हणाले...

Prettier women should be on larger demonimations.

Swimsuit Farrah on the $100 and the dollar is the world's reserve currency forever.

Unknown म्हणाले...

The $10 bill with the woman will only be worth $8.10.

Todd म्हणाले...

What about the bigger picture here? The "global" effect? Can we, in good conscience put a woman's image on US currency that might need to be used in ME countries? Is it kosher to show an unveiled image of a woman's face? Or would that result in the offending currency having to undergo public flogging?

Todd म्हणाले...

To continue that thought... Should not the PC community raise up and DEMAND that we NOT put a woman's image on our currency so as to NOT offend the cultural sensitivities of marginalized groups?

Hagar म्हणाले...

OK. Hamilton did not found the banking system, and in fact Congress eventually killed the first Bank of the United States, but he did found the Treasury, and it still is an outrage for one of his successors in office to propose to remove his portrait from our currency.

Pick one of the others. U.S. Grant from the $50, since that is the least used (except for the $2 with Jefferson), or Franklin from the $100, which perhaps would cause the most trouble for the international counterfeiters?

Matt Sablan म्हणाले...

I'd've replaced Jackson. Eh, on the bright side, at least most people might now be able to identify it is Hamilton on the $10 for a little while.

William म्हणाले...

How about we design a token that can be used in all fare booths on all our interstate highways. A woman's face can be put on that token. The semiotics fit.

अनामित म्हणाले...

Well here is another thing I won't use, a useless symbolic gesture on my part, but a gesture nonetheless.

I would use a saw buck with an engraving of Louisa May Alcott on it. She deserves a greater place in history than the rest of the harridans who have been mentioned. At one point Alcott sold more books than any other American, man or woman. And it could be argued that she was the first really American writer, all the rest being regional writers even if the regions were in America.

I can phase out the $10 for my personal use by asking for two $5s instead, in change.

Matt Sablan म्हणाले...

We could make a 99 cent coin.

Alexander म्हणाले...

At this point, putting pictures of women anywhere would just be blatant pandering in a heavyhanded patriarchal attempt to 'sweep away' the historical oppression and injustices of cis-european cultures against the female (incl. trans-female, cis-female, bi-female, queer-female, an afemale) spirit.

Womyn everywhere will not tolerate such overtly patronizing bones thrown to them by a sex that consists solely of rapists, would be rapists, and could be rapists. The only logical move at this point is to never, ever show a picture of a woman in the public sphere.


Hagar म्हणाले...

It would be interesting to see what would happen if the U.S. were to issue new $100 bills with a portrait of, say Eleanor Roosevelt, and declare all the old "Benjamins" invalid after January 1, 2016.
Many countries whose currencies were destroyed by the Germans during WWII did something like this after the war.
My guess is that the old "Bennies" would continue to circulate around the world, though perhaps at a strong discount.

Todd म्हणाले...

Alexander said... [hush]​[hide comment]

Womyn...

6/18/15, 12:18 PM


I believe that it is no longer SJW acceptable to spell woman with a "y" as the "y" is symbolic for a dangling penis. So, all usage of that spelling is like you are committing rape by forcing your symbolic penis "into" [the spelling of] woman. I believe they are migrating to "womin" as in "all women and 'in'clusive" and so are open to actual cis-women as well as trans-women (as well as other hyphenated women). Dar it, there I go being oppressive again, it should be cis-womin and trans-womin. I believe the new plural for womin is "womins". Please update your style guides accordingly.

Alexander म्हणाले...

You'll understand why I'm hardly going to accept a "Todd"* when it comes to what womyn want. You are probably a patriarchal oppressive shitlord just like me and thus have no grounds whatsoever to talk on this subject, bigot.


* Unless I have oppressively labeled you in my heteronormative mind as 'cis-male' due to my expectations of your name. If you are a woman named Todd that is your right, and I apologize for my presumptions. If you were a woman, I'd bet you'd be beautiful... not that there'd be anything wrong with you if you weren't, or that I should even notice one way or another. /grovel

furious_a म्हणाले...

the nefariousness of Andrew Jackson

Jackson was a founding member of the Democat Party. He practiced Great Society-style urban renewal and disparate impact on the Cherokees and the Seminoles. He's gotta stay on the twenny.

Todd म्हणाले...

Alexander said...
You'll understand why I'm hardly going to accept a "Todd"* when it comes to what womyn want. You are probably a patriarchal oppressive shitlord just like me and thus have no grounds whatsoever to talk on this subject, bigot.


* Unless I have oppressively labeled you in my heteronormative mind as 'cis-male' due to my expectations of your name. If you are a woman named Todd that is your right, and I apologize for my presumptions. If you were a woman, I'd bet you'd be beautiful... not that there'd be anything wrong with you if you weren't, or that I should even notice one way or another. /grovel

6/18/15, 12:47 PM


Following the prevailing cis-normal standards of the current day, I am both a "patriarchal oppressive shitlord" AND a beautiful womin as who can truly know what lurks in the heart or mind of man (used inclusively, of course)? I am also likely trans-minority, trans-sexual, and trans-mamilian. I am all things and nothing. I am both a completed work or art as well as a blank canvas that is painted upon by each new observer. I am me, I am you, I am us. I can speak for all things and no things. I am the ultimate ignorant expert on all things, who's words carry the full measure of truth. Feast your eyes upon me (in the most respectful of ways) and drink in my wisdom!

furious_a म्हणाले...


1. Barbara Jordan.
2. Lucille Ball.
3. Scarlett Johansson.

Alexander म्हणाले...

That was beautiful and I of course value and respect and admire your struggle all the more for it... but why does this wisdom taste like kool-aid?

Todd म्हणाले...

Alexander said...
That was beautiful and I of course value and respect and admire your struggle all the more for it... but why does this wisdom taste like kool-aid?

6/18/15, 1:12 PM


Actually, that would be Jäger...

Quaestor म्हणाले...

Elizabeth I

William म्हणाले...

People should lighten up on Andrew Jackson. He did a lot of wrong things but the United States as presently constituted would not exist save for his pigheaded orneriness. And give President Polk his due also. If it wasn't for his imperialistic land grab, Mexicans would have to travel all the way to Oregon or Mnnesota to find work.

Ignorance is Bliss म्हणाले...

How about if we put a woman's face on a new woman's dollar. Make the new dollar worth 78 cents. That would make it easier for employers to pay them appropriately...

Todd म्हणाले...

Ignorance is Bliss said...
How about if we put a woman's face on a new woman's dollar. Make the new dollar worth 78 cents. That would make it easier for employers to pay them appropriately...

6/18/15, 3:04 PM


That would make it easier for Obama, Hillary, and a number of Dem politicians to pay them appropriately...

There, fix it for you.

Dave in Tucson म्हणाले...

> the Treasury Department is putting a woman on the $10 bill

The real question is, will she be depicted with a neck tattoo?

अनामित म्हणाले...

Can we vote on it?

Clearly Kim Kardashian deserves her own money.

richard mcenroe म्हणाले...

They switched to the ten-spot and Hamilton because using Republican Tubman to replace the racist slave-owning treaty-breaking Jackson, one of the founders of the modern Democratic Party, would have been... awkward...

richard mcenroe म्हणाले...

I say we use either Betty Grable, she's got the pose, or Kate Upton, she's already got her own sword and breastplate...

Sammy Finkelman म्हणाले...

See the discussion included here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/19/upshot/oust-hamilton-from-the-10-bill-not-so-fast-treasury.html

Zach म्हणाले...

It's a shame they're kicking out Hamilton, who was one of the most admirable Founders and one of the main forces behind the Constitution. If it's Hamilton or Jackson, I say Jackson.

It's funny: Hamilton predated both the Republican and Democratic Parties, but in spirit was far closer to a Republican. He was personally very successful, and accused of representing big city financial interests. Jackson's Democratic party was to some extent a reaction against the Hamilton wing.

averagejoe म्हणाले...

If they have to put a woman, it should be Betsy Ross. If they have to replace Hamilton, they should do it with Aaron Burr, just to twist the knife. Also, Lew seems like a beta-male pussy, grinning about how happy the women in his life are going to be now- pussy. Lastly, why does he keep saying that it's been one hundred years since a woman's been on the currency? Is Sacajewea not a woman? Does Susan B Anthony not count? Also, who was the dame who graced the dough a hundred years ago, Columbia, the personification of America? Do mythical or not real people count? Then how about Wonder Woman or Supergirl?

Sammy Finkelman म्हणाले...

averagejoe said...

Lastly, why does he keep saying that it's been one hundred years since a woman's been on the currency? Is Sacajewea not a woman? Does Susan B Anthony not count?

Yes, they don't count.

Currency, not coins. Martha Washington was once on a $1 bill. (A silver certicate)

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/06/18/martha-washington-united-states-dollar-bills-silver-dollar/28933355/

http://crabdiving.com/women-on-united-states-currency-maybe-on-a-77-cents-bill/