१५ जानेवारी, २०१४

"The students primed with 'educated'..."

"... were more likely to rate the black man's skin tone as lighter on a memory test later. "

३६ टिप्पण्या:

rhhardin म्हणाले...

Another proof of racism.

Half the tests will come out that way if there's no racism.

Half the tests are published.

100% racism is proved.

Ignorance is Bliss म्हणाले...

So who told the media that George Zimmerman was highly educated?

rhhardin म्हणाले...

The trouble with prejudice isn't that it's irrational.

You keep your eye on the black stranger more than the white stranger by Bayes theorem.

You put your resources where the most likely danger is.

That reduces the chances that you're mugged (a type I error) at the expense of caution where it was in fact not needed (a type II error).

The trouble with prejudice is that the cost of a type II error is sometimes mostly put on the other guy (cab won't stop), where the gain of a type I error avoided is on you.

So it's a who pays for type I and type II errors thing, not a moral thing.

Oso Negro म्हणाले...

Odd. The most terrifying black man in America is relatively light skinned and holds degrees from Columbia and Harvard.

Ignorance is Bliss म्हणाले...

Odd. The most terrifying black man in America is relatively light skinned and holds degrees from Columbia and Harvard.

Why is it odd. Light skinned and educated.

The only thing throwing them off is the fact that they seem to think educated is a complement.

Well educated is a compliment. Highly educated, not so much.

Fen म्हणाले...

More interesting is the fact that Blacks are more aware of "lighter" blacks than whites are.

Fen म्हणाले...

But they can't be racist because, ya know, they're black.



/s

Eric the Fruit Bat म्हणाले...

My advice to black people would be to wear eyeglasses.

Bob Boyd म्हणाले...

I wonder if all the students in the study were white or if black students had the same response to the priming.

Lewis Wetzel म्हणाले...

Perhaps they should do research to determine why Atlantic authors choose to write on obscure research on topics they know nothing about? Gosh! Might even be some unconscious bias involved in that!
I would love to know how the Atlantic author -- Brian Resnick -- found out about this study and what editor decided it was 'newsworthy'.

Known Unknown म्हणाले...

Did Jesse Jackson take the test?

Scott M म्हणाले...

The very ugly truth is that black people judge themselves along these same lines. There is a very strong self-segregation which affects everything from dating choices on up, that has to do with skin color, the darker being worse, the lighter being better. It's one of the greatest unspoken ironies in American culture.

Fernandinande म्हणाले...

So they noticed a pattern.

You're not supposed to notice patterns.

exhelodrvr1 म्हणाले...

What does the demographic data show about blacks and education?

Carol म्हणाले...

The trouble with prejudice isn't that it's irrational.

Au contraire, it seems like rational adaptive behavior that evolved for good reason.

Balfegor म्हणाले...

The stereotype that darker skin = bad is one that many journalists work very hard to promote.

That said, though, regardless of race, the traditional stereotype of the "educated" is that they are pale because they spend all their time indoors reading, unlike the uneducated, who are always out in the fields working (or hunting, shooting, and fishing, if they are toffs).

David म्हणाले...

So were these white students or black students?

Because sure as hell lighter skin has been a marker of status and accomplishment in the black community since before the Civil War began.

Maybe that was Clarence Thomas' problem?

Megaera म्हणाले...

I did not read the base article but I take it the writer did not choose to comment on the fact that a similar bias exists in India, one which predates colonialism, and is apart from the caste system itself. Indians culturally select for lighter skin tones, and the sale of skin lightening compounds is a large element of the cosmetic industry there. Similar bias can be demonstrated in East Asia. I assume no mention of this was made in the study. Of course.

jacksonjay म्हणाले...


What about Speaker Boehner? I hear lots of negative talk, even from the POTUS, about his skin color! Hmmmmm

virgil xenophon म्हणाले...

@Megera/

Same for Japan. Dark skinned Okinawa types are regarded as inferior to their lighter-skinned Japanese cousins and the northern-most inhabitants of northern Honshu Japan the highest class of all.

James म्हणाले...

And to confuse things even more; John Boehner's son-in-law is a black Jamaican with dreadlocks down to his waist: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2324023/The-moment-proud-father-John-Boehner-watched-daughter-say-I-Do-dreadlocked-Jamaican-born-love.html

Unknown म्हणाले...

There is just no end to this sort of grant-snaffling makework race hustling twaddle.

traditionalguy म्हणाले...

Somebody call Henry Louis (Skip) Gates of the DNA Roots program on PBS. Being half Scottish, Skip he doesn't lose an arguement unless he loses his temper first.

The last black black I remember doing well in Politics is Thomas on the Supreme Court.

Scott म्हणाले...

If the students were primed with "sexy" I bet they would remember his skin as being darker.

Laura म्हणाले...

What about who sunburns the fastest? Or can African Americans get their redneck on?

Sorun म्हणाले...

Stunning research, given that everyone around the world does the same thing.

But liberals love to do studies and write articles about how awful it is to be a black American.

Sorun म्हणाले...

Are literacy rates in the world randomly distributed?

अनामित म्हणाले...

Terry: Perhaps they should do research to determine why Atlantic authors choose to write on obscure research on topics they know nothing about?

No kidding. Aside from the general incoherence of the article (dude, what is your point here?), linking to a Lewontin paper right out of the gate is a dead giveaway that he knows no more about the topic than a good boy should.

Which actually answers your question about why he's writing the article.

Lewis Wetzel म्हणाले...


Traditional guy:
"The last black black I remember doing well in Politics is Thomas on the Supreme Court."
An educated, dark skinned black man no liberal will admit is intelligent enough to be a supreme court justice.

Ignorance is Bliss म्हणाले...

..subjects implicitly associate "ignorance" with dark skin tone...

Well, I do tan quite nicely, thank you very much.

n.n म्हणाले...

Will no one rid us of the intellectual's burden?

ALP म्हणाले...

"...grant-snaffling makework race hustling twaddle."

LOVE THAT - it bears repeating.

ALP म्हणाले...

Also, having worked with SE Asian refugees (Laotian, Vietnamese, Cambodian) I can attest that the light vs dark skin awareness, and the ideas that go with it, is present in those cultures as well.

Maybe somebody needs to dig up some historical evidence from Europe's history showing the same biases. Didn't ladies of a certain class in England use white powder on their faces to appear really, REALLY white as opposed to the poor sods who had to work in the fields, thus getting a good tan?

I Have Misplaced My Pants म्हणाले...

The Japanese women I've known wear driving gloves so their hands don't get tan.

Fen म्हणाले...

I'm guessing the bias is due to genetic memory from our pure white alien ancestors.

Right now my hair looks like the guy on the History Channel. Thats my excuse and I'm sticking to it.

अनामित म्हणाले...

Given how many of these "priming"" studies have turned out to be unrepeatable bullshit, I call "bullshit" on this one, too.