Althouse: "I literally was spacing out because I’m in such a rage spiral about that guy."

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"I literally was spacing out because I’m in such a rage spiral about that guy."

"I was just looking at him looking at him and going into this rage [over] this idea that you would talk to a woman like that and accuse a woman of showing her body too much. The idea it just makes me sort of sick."

११७ टिप्पण्या:

tim maguire म्हणाले...: Pathetic. The question was perfectly reasonable--nudity that serves a narrative function is ok, nudity for the sake of nudity is not. So why be nude for no reason?

Dunham can disagree, she can claim it does serve a narrative function, but to attack the questioner (SEXIST!) is pretty stupid. Dunham, clearly, is not stupid, but I'd really like to call her stupid anyway because so many of her ideas are stupid.; १०/१/१४, ११:३१ AM
Trashhauler म्हणाले...: “a realistic expression of what it’s like to be alive."

So is taking a crap.; १०/१/१४, ११:३७ AM
YoungHegelian म्हणाले...: "How dare you question me! I AM AN ARTIST!"

"They do it to be salacious and titillate people. And your character is often nude at random times for no reason.”

Busted.; १०/१/१४, ११:३९ AM
Lyssa म्हणाले...: The question was perfectly reasonable--nudity that serves a narrative function is ok, nudity for the sake of nudity is not..

I don't even think that the question said or implied that it was not OK, just that it did not serve an obvious purpose and he was wondering what the purpose was. It was value-neutral.

Incredibly silly - what happens to women like Dunham that make them so incredibly sensitive to the idea that someone might not be dying to see her nude?

I've not seen her show, so maybe it's great and I'm missing out, but it sounds absolutely awful.; १०/१/१४, ११:४० AM
YoungHegelian म्हणाले...: Is a "rage spiral" what a whirling dervish gets into after a really, really, bad day?; १०/१/१४, ११:४० AM
Leif म्हणाले...: Modesty enrages our moral and intellectual superiors.; १०/१/१४, ११:४३ AM
virgil xenophon म्हणाले...: No, YH, it's what the Tasmanian Devil does when he's really, really mad after having been tricked once again by Bugs.; १०/१/१४, ११:४६ AM
Unknown म्हणाले...: The word that comes to mind regarding this woman is "slattern."; १०/१/१४, ११:४७ AM
tim maguire म्हणाले...: Maybe so, Lyssa. But I am taking the value judgement from his complaint that the nudity appears to have no purpose. He wouldn't ask the purpose of having her wear a blue shirt rather than a yellow shirt, but he will ask the purpose of no shirt.

I don't think it's possible for the question to be value-neutral.; १०/१/१४, ११:४७ AM
Wince म्हणाले...: I still say the naked ping-pong episode was Hannah's "there's a part of me that wants what's material, comfortable" sexual fantasy.

There has been no reference to the liaison with the older man since.; १०/१/१४, ११:५१ AM
Freeman Hunt म्हणाले...: Maybe it was his tone of voice. Based on the text, it is hard to see why all three would be so angry.; १०/१/१४, ११:५७ AM
jacksonjay म्हणाले...: Terry Richardson; १०/१/१४, ११:५८ AM
Diamondhead म्हणाले...: I find this quote by Dunham to be...eh...quite something: "If you’re not into me, that’s your problem and you’re going to have to work that out with professionals."

Judd Apatow's response was predictably absurd. The question was offensive on its face? Now it's obviously offensive (and sexist!) to even question purposeless nudity?; १०/१/१४, १२:०० PM
66 म्हणाले...: I believe my rage spiral over the lack of nudity at Althouse may have spun long enought to shift the polar vortex.; १०/१/१४, १२:०३ PM
PatHMV म्हणाले...: I think she took the question to suggest that HER nudity would not "be salacious and titillate people," that is, that in Game of Thrones, the women being naked meet traditional norms of beauty and sexuality, while perhaps Hannah does not. Which would be a somewhat offensive question, although not, I think, deserving of a "rage spiral."

Don't know if that's the correct interpretation or not. I only watched the first few episodes of Game of Thrones, so I don't know how carefully they've weaved nudity into the plot line to give it some patina of legitimacy. But if the only motivation ascribed by the questioner to the GoT nudity is that it is to be salacious and titillating, then that's just nudity for the sake of nudity, with hot people. If Girls also has nudity just for the sake of nudity, but with perhaps not-quite-so-hot people, it does seem perhaps a bit rude to point that out, at least to the face of the actresses involved.; १०/१/१४, १२:०५ PM
YoungHegelian म्हणाले...: "If you’re not into me, that’s your problem and you’re going to have to work that out with professionals."

WAIT! Is Dunham implying here that male homosexuals, who wouldn't be into her nudity, need to seek professional help?

HATER! Off to the re-education camps with her!; १०/१/१४, १२:०६ PM
JHapp म्हणाले...: I think the rage comes from a void of logic and morality the far left experience.; १०/१/१४, १२:०७ PM
MD Greene म्हणाले...: I haven't spent much time with the show -- characters range from shallow to pathetic to nasty, not so interesting -- but the nakedness has been remarked upon from the beginning.

This is the first television series in my recollection to employ nudity so often and so casually, and without any apparent intent to arouse sexual reactions in viewers.

Asking why this is seems fair enough to me.; १०/१/१४, १२:०७ PM
Gahrie म्हणाले...: How dare someone question the actions of a woman?; १०/१/१४, १२:०८ PM
jacksonjay म्हणाले...: “a realistic expression of what it’s like to be alive."

How much of being alive is spent nekkid?; १०/१/१४, १२:१० PM
Titus म्हणाले...: I love Lena so fucking much and the show is abs to die for. I can't wait for it to start again. I love you Lena!!!!!!!

I was hard when she was shirtless playing ping pong with Patrick Wilson in one episode...total tour de force for days and days.; १०/१/१४, १२:१० PM
mtrobertsattorney म्हणाले...: I think Dunham understood the questioner as really saying that he found viewing her in the nude to be an unpleasant experience.

After seeing her fully clothed, I think Dunham may have been right about the questioner.; १०/१/१४, १२:१३ PM
MadisonMan म्हणाले...: How dare someone question the actions of a woman?

Isn't she just following script and directions, though?; १०/१/१४, १२:१५ PM
Levi Starks म्हणाले...: It's like my dream leftist cage match; १०/१/१४, १२:१५ PM
YoungHegelian म्हणाले...: @PatHMV,

If Girls also has nudity just for the sake of nudity, but with perhaps not-quite-so-hot people, it does seem perhaps a bit rude to point that out, at least to the face of the actresses involved.

The nudity in GoT is nudity meant to titillate its largely male audience. The nudity in Girls is there for the titillation of its female audience. Female pornography is much like "Fight Club": The first rule of pornography for women is that you never, ever, call it pornography in public. The reporter got smacked down hard because he was touching the third rail of the "Girls" marketing machine.; १०/१/१४, १२:१६ PM
tds म्हणाले...: Nudity in 'Girls' is definitely art. It's even got a special name, you just don't have it in English. Maybe that's the problem.

Turpismus; १०/१/१४, १२:१९ PM
Known Unknown म्हणाले...: Isn't she just following script and directions, though?

I believe Dunham also writes a majority of the episodes (designated as "creator" with 31 credits to her name) and has directed 9 of them.; १०/१/१४, १२:१९ PM
Joe म्हणाले...: The problem is that the reporter didn't just ask about the nudity, but made a loaded statement combined with a question.

"I don’t get the purpose of all the nudity on the show -- by [Dunham] in particular, I feel like I’m walking into a trap where you go..."

The reporter is being a douche; he/she knows there is nudity o the show and then says he/she feels like they are being "trapped" by it when it happens. That's more than being a douche; it's being fucking retarded.

I think Dunham and Apatow are reacting more to that as to the nudity question itself.

It would be like a reporter complaining during a Dexter press junket about all the murdering in the show (or all the swearing in Archer, etc.)

One thing to remember is that producers and actors do hundreds of these press junket interviews with reporters who don't know shit and sometimes get really fed up with the stupidity.; १०/१/१४, १२:२१ PM
rhhardin म्हणाले...: I never heard of or about the show.

Nudity has a sameness about it and never serves a narrative function, unless it's to show that nudity is less interesting than you'd imagined.

Guys watch at most seven minutes of it.; १०/१/१४, १२:२२ PM
Smilin' Jack म्हणाले...: "I was just looking at him looking at him and going into this rage [over] this idea that you would talk to a woman like that and accuse a woman of showing her body too much. The idea it just makes me sort of sick."

Not nearly as sick as the idea of Lena Dunham nude makes me, yet I'm able to avoid getting hysterical about it. Yay for the Y-chromosome!; १०/१/१४, १२:२४ PM
Known Unknown म्हणाले...: I get the nudity in Girls because the show itself is trying desperately to be "honest." The most apt description of the show is simply The Real Sex and the City.; १०/१/१४, १२:२६ PM
rhhardin म्हणाले...: Another problem is that it's not possible to act intercourse, the deep problem being that the popular narrative does not coincide at all with the real thing.

A surface problem is that it's not taken as acting, as a kiss might be, as a cultural matter.

Nudist camps presumably strip away the narrative that nudity is erotic. This is not owing to ugliness.

The show, I assume, is trading on the narrative.; १०/१/१४, १२:२९ PM
I'm Full of Soup म्हणाले...: Her over the top reaction is because she knows that she, the ultimate liberated woman, will never ever look like a Barbie.; १०/१/१४, १२:३३ PM
khesanh0802 म्हणाले...: I give this a big "WHO CARES?"; १०/१/१४, १२:३४ PM
Van Wallach म्हणाले...: Re Trashhauler's astute comment at 11:37, Girls in fact has an obsession with urinary issues. Adam relieves himself on Hannah in the shower in one episode, Hannah relieves herself by train tracks in season three, and every couple of episodes one of the ladies is shown sitting on a toilet.; १०/१/१४, १२:३५ PM
MadisonMan म्हणाले...: If you’re not into me, that’s your problem

Why is it a problem? Is there just some universally accepted law (that I am ignorant of) that everyone should be into her?

Narcissus come home!; १०/१/१४, १२:३७ PM
CStanley म्हणाले...: It did seem to me that the questioner tried to pretend his point was about the gratuitousness of the nudity, but the comparison he made to Game of Thrones made it more likely that his real complaint was that the nudity of Dunham wasn't titillating.

Which still isn't sexist. A little harsh, but not sexist.; १०/१/१४, १२:३८ PM
madAsHell म्हणाले...: I'm in such a rage spiral

The fat, tattooed, homely chick is the Queen Bee.
Do not mess with the Queen Bee.; १०/१/१४, १२:३९ PM
n.n म्हणाले...: Apatow is right. Dunham had the courage to confirm publicly, what we all suspected privately, that human life is a commodity. Women, in particular, should be appreciated for the assembly of their parts. Moral regression and progressive corruption is an inevitable outcome of dissociation of risk which is an inherent feature of a "progressive" civilization.

That said, it's interesting to observe how people are manipulated for a material return. Even their morality or tolerance becomes merely a mechanism for leverage by competing interests. It's no wonder that religious people are regarded as weak or inferior. Their better nature leaves them vulnerable to exploitation by simian derivatives. Perhaps it's time for a crusade to reclaim lost ground.; १०/१/१४, १२:४१ PM
n.n म्हणाले...: If Apatow wasn't already aware, moderation is a prerequisite of liberty, and is a requirement for men and women. The demand by a moral society occurs within a context. She can still do her slut walk in the bedroom, and to varying degrees outside.

That said, she should get her rage treated. While many people will tolerate progressive morality when reasonably compensated, more people will be less accommodating of unmoderated liberal behavior.; १०/१/१४, १२:४८ PM
David म्हणाले...: I truly can't decide if they misheard the question as, "you're so ugly, why do you insist on showing us your naked body" (in which case their response is reasonable), or if they just decided ahead of time to attack anyone who mentioned nudity in order to make the most consistent criticism of the show (after, "wow, that's boring") politically incorrect.; १०/१/१४, १२:५२ PM
alan markus म्हणाले...: After seeing a post about this over at The Other McCain, I was motivated to look at a clip of "Girls" for the first time. This is the first clip I saw - don't have the motivation to look further. Warning - if you follow this link, don't ask me for 3 minutes of your life back.

"Inanity Alert"

HBO Girls - Jesse & Hanna; १०/१/१४, १२:५४ PM
Shouting Thomas म्हणाले...: I just looked at a pic of Dunham naked.

I won't do it again. Ugly thing.; १०/१/१४, १:०० PM
Fen म्हणाले...: If you’re not into me, that’s your problem and you’re going to have to work that out with professionals.

"Vanity is my favorite sin" - Devi's Advocate; १०/१/१४, १:०६ PM
Michael म्हणाले...: I think being in a rage over this is very attractive, very modern feminine. It shows that you have brains and think deeply on topics like this and frankly, being female, can't control your emotions and thus fly into a rage spiral. It, stuff like this, will make you literally, and that is literally, space out. With rage.

The modern female is becoming a thing to behold. Get a big mad on and let it spiral.; १०/१/१४, १:०९ PM
Fen म्हणाले...: Just imagine what they were like before the pill stabilized their emotional outbursts. Is it any wonder that men oppressed them for so long?; १०/१/१४, १:१२ PM
Revenant म्हणाले...: I like Judd Apatow, but I think he's off-base here. I don't get what was offensive about the question.; १०/१/१४, १:१८ PM
Martha म्हणाले...: I do think the the questioner meant "you're so ugly, why do you insist on showing us your naked body"

and Lena Dunham is committed to showing off her naked imperfections as often as possible not to titillate but to make the statement that most naked women do not conform to what you see in Playboy. And still these imperfect lumpy women still have and enjoy sex. So there.; १०/१/१४, १:१९ PM
Fen म्हणाले...: "...make the statement that most naked women do not conform to what you see in Playboy"

Why doesn't she just say that? She's undermining her position by being so sensitive about how others view her nakedness.

And Geez, don't EVER answer when she asks "does this make my look fat"; १०/१/१४, १:२२ PM
jacksonjay म्हणाले...: Thanks Martha. NOW, I get it!
Fat chicks fuck! Put it on HBO!; १०/१/१४, १:२३ PM
Ignorance is Bliss म्हणाले...: n.n said...

Women, in particular, should be appreciated for the assembly of their parts.

I strongly disagree. I believe a woman should be seen as a whole.

( Crap. That joke doesn't work when you write it down. ); १०/१/१४, १:२६ PM
D.D. Driver म्हणाले...: What does it mean to *literally* "space out."; १०/१/१४, १:३१ PM
traditionalguy म्हणाले...: Nudist's Rights. It is about time that Constitutional Rights of women to be nude in public are upheld.

but maybe there is a reasonable state interest in an age limitation...not too young, but too old.; १०/१/१४, १:४३ PM
jacksonjay म्हणाले...: The publicist behind this stunt was a genius!; १०/१/१४, १:४३ PM
YoungHegelian म्हणाले...: @Alan markus,

I know I'm just a guy, but after watching the link you posted, I'm thinking there's just no way, after one of those "Goddammit, what the fuck is up with today" kind of days, that I'd ever react by taking off my cloths & getting in the bathtub with a naked guy.

A shower stall, well, maybe....; १०/१/१४, १:५८ PM
KCFleming म्हणाले...: A repellent TV star.
Fascinating.

Which makes the viewers dung flies.; १०/१/१४, २:०५ PM
Patrick म्हणाले...: "Rage Spiral"would make a good name for a rock band.; १०/१/१४, २:१३ PM
Sam L. म्हणाले...: WELL! It's all about LENA! How. Dare. YOU. Question. ME?

Tad sensitive, seems to me. Mayhap having "body issues". Or too big a sense of entitlement. Both; more?; १०/१/१४, २:२३ PM
dbp म्हणाले...: I think that if Lena Dunham was beautiful then she would be getting some push back from feminist circles. Somehow it is okay for a dumpy, out of shape woman to be featured in lots of nude scenes, but not okay for a beautiful woman to do so. Don't ask me why, I am clearly not smart enough to be a feminist.; १०/१/१४, २:२५ PM
Michael म्हणाले...: Patrick: Rage Spiral would be a good rock band but these angry chicks would have to learn to plan an instrument to be in it. Unless, of course, Rage Spiral played in German bars and the "vocalists" just raged.; १०/१/१४, २:२५ PM
Julie C म्हणाले...: It was the other woman on stage that was in the rage spiral, right? Lena Dunham has been called a "fat chick" IIRC by Howard Stern and she was remarkably good-natured about it. He later apologized.

The questioner clearly asked the question because she is a bit of a fleshy gal, let's be honest here.

But really, if you are going to make nudity such a part of your show, you need to be able to handle a few questions without resorting to the usual adolescent language.; १०/१/१४, २:३३ PM
Known Unknown म्हणाले...: "Rage Spiral"would make a good name for a rock band

I don't know, sounds so marginal 90s post-Seattle grunge missed-the-boat band to me.

I'm still trying to choose between Fantoid Vapors and Catholic Heaters for my band.; १०/१/१४, २:३७ PM
Moose म्हणाले...: The only upside to "Girls" is that you don't "have" to watch Lena Dunham shake that skanky ass. You have to choose to do so.; १०/१/१४, २:४२ PM
Lewis Wetzel म्हणाले...: “I literally was spacing out because I’m in such a rage spiral about that guy,” she said pointing to the question-asker. “I was just looking at him looking at him and going into this rage [over] this idea that you would talk to a woman like that and accuse a woman of showing her body too much. The idea it just makes me sort of sick.”

More evidence that feminism was invented by 1960s frat boys. You ladies didn't think it was about ending workplace exploitation and enhancing your sexual freedom, did you?; १०/१/१४, २:४५ PM
KCFleming म्हणाले...: Low level celebrities and media mediocrities negotiate the entertainment crab bucket.; १०/१/१४, २:४७ PM
MadisonMan म्हणाले...: The publicist behind this stunt was a genius!

Very true. They've earned their money today.; १०/१/१४, २:५४ PM
Temujin म्हणाले...: I'm trying very hard to understand what there is to this.

I tried to watch this show the first season. I made it through one entire episode. One. I went into it with an open mind and a bag o' chips. When it was over I wanted that time of life back to stare at my own navel.

Bullshit. These are uninteresting people of little note. I'm going back to work now.; १०/१/१४, २:५५ PM
Kovacs म्हणाले...: The SLATE commentator nails it. (1) The guy wasn't asking a question; he was expressing befuddlement about a topic that Lena Dunham has already addressed extensively in interviews. (2) The subtext of the comment--"Female nudity for the purpose of titillation, I can understand; but you're not titillating me at all! Therefore, your nudity is 'random' and has no discernible point"--is arguably sexist but inarguably obnoxious and willfully ignorant.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2014/01/10/nudity_in_girls_television_critic_tim_molloy_doesn_t_get_why_lena_dunham.html; १०/१/१४, ३:०४ PM
KCFleming म्हणाले...: Apparently fat, drunk and stupid is a way to go through life.; १०/१/१४, ३:११ PM
Andy Freeman म्हणाले...: > He wouldn't ask the purpose of having her wear a blue shirt rather than a yellow shirt, but he will ask the purpose of no shirt.

Why are you so sure that he wouldn't ask about shirt color? Colors have meaning, must work in context, and so on.

Are you implying that men can't know such things or that he doesn't?

> I don't think it's possible for the question to be value-neutral.

No question is "value-neutral", so if you're going to claim that his values are inappropriate, you get to tell us what those values are, how you know, and why they're inappropriate.; १०/१/१४, ३:२२ PM
chuck म्हणाले...: Yum, spiral cut ham.; १०/१/१४, ३:२३ PM
John henry म्हणाले...: Isn't this just all about publicity? If Dunham and the producers didn't plant the reporter and question, they should have.

They are not mad, they are ecstatic.

Tens of millions of people who had never thought about the show before are now thinking about it.

Too much nudity is a bad thing? Gratuitus or not, many people think there can never be enough nudity in a program.

I've heard of the show, never thought it sounded interesting enough to watch. Now they got nude women running around? Not just a flash or two but lots of nudity?

Let me grab my TV listings. I have to check this show out.

John Henry; १०/१/१४, ३:२७ PM
Brando म्हणाले...: I must have missed the questioners actual quote that led to such overboard vitriol from the producers. Maybe he actually said "you're fat and gross and as a man I should be able to control you and keep your gross body off the TV and Apatow, your recent movies suck and I've had your wife many times and she's only with you for your money and I also sneezed on all the snacks in the Green Room."

Because short of a statement like that, what could unleash such rage? How sheltered are these people that they're enraged by anyone questioning pointless nudity?; १०/१/१४, ३:२८ PM
John henry म्हणाले...: I suppose that for people like Peter, the big question is hair or bare?

Hopefully they have some of each.

We are talking nudity here, right? Not just toplessness or butt shots.

Unless there's nekkid wimmin, I take back my last comment about checking the show out.

John Henry; १०/१/१४, ३:२९ PM
CatherineM म्हणाले...: I think the rage spiral is it's season 3 and she's been asked questions about her nudity a million times.

I did not hear the audio to know tone either.

My issue with girls is it's her playing ping pong topless. Who does that. You would either be nude (ping pong after sex?) or clothed, not half way.

But I get the reason for her rage. It's season 3, she gets nude a lot. You don't like? You're problem. Don't watch.; १०/१/१४, ३:३२ PM
Lyssa म्हणाले...: I read the "not titillating" part not to mean that she was not attractive, but that they were using nudity in non-sexy contexts - i.e., rather than showing it in a hot sex scene, they were showing someone changing clothes or getting out of the shower, or something boring like that.

But I could be wrong - I've never seen the show and didn't even really latch on to the fact that apparently the only nude person we're talking about is Ms. Dunham.; १०/१/१४, ३:३७ PM
paul a'barge म्हणाले...: Just so we're all on the same page, the person in the rage spiral was not Dunham but the other female (the producer) on the panel.

Bring up images.google.com and put her name in the search field.

ouch.; १०/१/१४, ३:४३ PM
KCFleming म्हणाले...: "Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves."

Perhaps Adam saw something like Lena Dunham, and he immediately thought 'that could use a bunch of fig leaves'.; १०/१/१४, ३:४५ PM
Kirk Parker म्हणाले...: Freeman,

"it is hard to see why all three would be so angry."

It's possible that angry is their default condition, don't you think?; १०/१/१४, ३:४९ PM
bleh म्हणाले...: "But I get the reason for her rage. It's season 3, she gets nude a lot. You don't like? You're problem. Don't watch."

You realize, of course, that the questioner was not a random viewer but a journalist, right? It's his job to watch the show and review it.; १०/१/१४, ३:४९ PM
The Godfather म्हणाले...: OK, so I have never seen the show and I don't think I've ever seen the woman (or maybe she did an ad for Obama in '12?), so I googled for images of Lena Dunham nude. She's kind of a chubbette, isn't she? When I was 14, I would look at a picture of any female human being who was showing her tits (you remember the old National Geographic?), but now my standards are higher. Do they really think that American males (older than 14) will watch this show to see THAT body? I don't THINK so . . . .; १०/१/१४, ४:१० PM
KCFleming म्हणाले...: She's Jame Gumb bait.; १०/१/१४, ४:१८ PM
LordSomber म्हणाले...: The subtext of the comment--"Female nudity for the purpose of titillation, I can understand; but you're not titillating me at all! Therefore, your nudity is 'random' and has no discernible point"--is arguably sexist but inarguably obnoxious and willfully ignorant.

It's almost like they never heard of the Boner Test.; १०/१/१४, ४:३१ PM
garage mahal म्हणाले...: Apparently fat, drunk and stupid is a way to go through life.

That's no way to talk about a Job Creator!; १०/१/१४, ४:३५ PM
Alex म्हणाले...: Am I supposed to picture a cartoon-version of Lena Dunham where she spins around like the Tasmanian devil?; १०/१/१४, ४:४२ PM
Alex म्हणाले...: What Lena Dunhma doesn't understand is while her body is closer to the average, TV viewers don't want to see that body naked. They would rather look at the top 1% of beautiful bodies.; १०/१/१४, ४:४३ PM
Alex म्हणाले...: garage should know all about getting through life fat, drunk and stupid.; १०/१/१४, ४:४४ PM
garage mahal म्हणाले...: That's not very nice.; १०/१/१४, ४:४५ PM
Alex म्हणाले...: Did I hurt your feelings?; १०/१/१४, ४:५० PM
KCFleming म्हणाले...: "That's no way to talk about a Job Creator!"

Is she? She has a job.
Is she creating any?

No matter.
I feel for the "Girls" camera operators, their film school dreams crushed before them with every episode, alcohol their only effective salve.; १०/१/१४, ४:५१ PM
अनामित म्हणाले...: But this is why she's such a relief. How many fat or old guys have I freaking had to look at in film or TV dating way out of their league, being held up (AND PAID) as leading men way past their prime, etc?

This is just evening the playing field a bit. If it takes an entitled attitude from a relatively spoiled woman to go forward in this area, then fine.

It's about time. It's a MUCH milder version, but still akin to Muslim guys dealing with their own lust rather than forcing their women to wear veils. Rather than fat chicks hiding their bodies, talent, and not getting paid because guys don't want to see it, let the guys deal with their discomfort.

And yeah, I think she was being called ugly. He phrased it circuitously, but she knows the deal. She's been dealing with the media long enough to know.; १०/१/१४, ४:५६ PM
KCFleming म्हणाले...: Working for the people that make "Girls" is probably like having a line job in one of those store brand cereal factories, making knock-off versions of Raisin Bran and Froot Loops.

You make a depressing tasteless product of low quality for low value customers.

But hey, it's a job.; १०/१/१४, ५:१० PM
MayBee म्हणाले...: In the art of the ancients, there isn't a whole lot of naked realism. There is, instead, a lot of perfection (male and female). People like to see the naked ideal. That's obviously how we are wired. Sure, we like and love people who are less than perfect in real life, but we don't watch entertainment and look for reality.

This is true of bodies, faces, and homes on television. We like to see a little bit of a reality upgrade. Don"t like it, don't get into the visual arts.; १०/१/१४, ५:३० PM
MayBee म्हणाले...: Sojo- but you aren't going to see a lot of naked Seth Rogan unless there's comedy involved. Fat men may improbably date up in entertainment, but the viewer isn't asked to want to see them sexually or naked.; १०/१/१४, ५:३५ PM
garage mahal म्हणाले...: Is she creating any?

She's rich, ergo a Job Creator.; १०/१/१४, ५:३५ PM
Rusty म्हणाले...: garage mahal said...
Is she creating any?

She's rich, ergo a Job Creator.

She sure is.
Eat your heart out.; १०/१/१४, ५:५४ PM
Known Unknown म्हणाले...: People like to see the naked ideal.

O rlly?; १०/१/१४, ६:२२ PM
garage mahal म्हणाले...: She sure is.
Eat your heart out.

I'm riding a customer high right now. I may have even [gasp!] created a job today. I'll get there. I'll be old, but I'll get there.; १०/१/१४, ६:४२ PM
Dr Weevil म्हणाले...: The problem with naming a band Rage Spiral is that it reminds some of us of Mystic Spiral, the pretentious crap band in the Daria show.; १०/१/१४, ६:४९ PM
Rusty म्हणाले...: garage mahal said...
She sure is.
Eat your heart out.

I'm riding a customer high right now. I may have even [gasp!] created a job today. I'll get there. I'll be old, but I'll get there.

Good on ya. Sincerely, I hope it works out for you.; १०/१/१४, ७:०० PM
garage mahal म्हणाले...: Thanks, Crusty.; १०/१/१४, ७:१९ PM
mishu म्हणाले...: Some fat women can look good naked. It's the hideous tattoo that's the worse thing about her. That and her abrasive personality.; १०/१/१४, ७:५० PM
Ctmom4 म्हणाले...: The most frequent comment I have read about this show online is " It is the only cable show guys watch and hope the woman doesn't get naked." I assume she knows this, and knows that that is what the guy was implying. Personally I think her personality is even uglier than her outside.; १०/१/१४, ८:०४ PM
Michael म्हणाले...: Garage. Hope you do create a job!! Which means you are doing well. Good for you.; १०/१/१४, ८:३७ PM
garage mahal म्हणाले...: Yah hey. The pipeline is crammed. And I cannot fucking wait to go fishing tomorrow. Life is good.; १०/१/१४, ९:१६ PM
curmudgeoninchief म्हणाले...: It's not too far from the campaign to attack and intimidate critics of gays on TV. The TV gay characters are put in the shows just to "raise awareness" and "mainstream" gayness. Sometimes producers do it to deflect criticism from the usual suspects, like GLAAD. It's political.

Lena Dunham's out-of-scope nudity is an in-your-face demand to accept her gender feminism, and she attacks you if you question the necessity of it. Believe me, not only isn't it necessary, it is aesthetically destructive.; १०/१/१४, ९:१९ PM
furious_a म्हणाले...: Titus:I was hard when she was shirtless playing ping pong with Patrick Wilson in one episode

Poor Patrick Wilson -- from banging Kate Winslet in Little Children and Malin Akerman in Watchmen to a tattooed walrus in Girls.

He must have p*ssed off the wrong Show Business big shot.; १०/१/१४, ९:४८ PM
Segesta म्हणाले...: If only Girls could find itself in an "increased quality" spiral.; १०/१/१४, ९:५९ PM
Segesta म्हणाले...: If only Girls could find itself in an "increased quality" spiral.; १०/१/१४, १०:०० PM
JR म्हणाले...: Who is Lena Denham and why should I care if she's naked, or that somebody in her TV show is naked?

John Reece
Truckee, CA; १०/१/१४, १०:०६ PM
William म्हणाले...: I've seen her on talk shows. In the right dress with the right hair stylist, she's attractive and witty. It's only when she's in character for her role as a chunky, displaced intellectual with too many tats that she's unattractive......I'm not completely kidding. On the show, she wears dowdy clothes and lets her hair go dank and stringy. She really makes an effort to appear unattractive......I guess that's honest. I think a lot of actors spend a considerable amount of time with their trainer, nutritionist, hair stylist, and lighting tech before they appear nude. Dunham goes out of her way to appear grotty.....it's either a comment on our preoccupation with beauty, or she eats too much.; १०/१/१४, १०:०९ PM
Unknown म्हणाले...: How could the naked, fat, tattooed toadstool so well known as Lena Dunham fail to be tittilating?; १०/१/१४, १०:१८ PM
Unknown म्हणाले...: How could the naked, fat, tattooed toadstool so well known as Lena Dunham fail to be tittilating?; १०/१/१४, १०:२० PM
wuzzagrunt म्हणाले...: Extensive nudity (i assume; I've never watched) is probably the only way Girls is able to attract the paltry audience it has. More people watch airport radar than do that show.; ११/१/१४, ८:०१ AM
The Sanity Inspector म्हणाले...: It's just a T&A show, why do they try to make it complicated & "significant"?; ११/१/१४, ९:०६ AM
jr565 म्हणाले...: Speaking of Judd Apatow, why did we have to see Jason Siegels penis in Forgetting Sarah Marshal.
Perfectly reasonable question. Bet you wouldn't get this response if you asked the question.; ११/१/१४, ५:४९ PM
CatherineM म्हणाले...: BDNYC - if he's a journalist and has to watch the show for his job, then he should know what a lame question that is at Season 3. If this is all new to him, then he didn't do his homework.; १३/१/१४, ८:१९ AM