Is that okay? Because if that's okay, should we dissect Obama's religion?
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७४ टिप्पण्या:
Harry Reid... What do you say about this senile, vulgar little child? Why do people tolerate this pig?
That's suspected pedophile Harry Reid, Althouse. We must get our nomenclature right.
I think a lot of Jews get (privately) upset when we see a Jewish person behaving in a really disgraceful way in public, especially if we think people might associate that kind of disgusting behavior with all Jewish people.
But Harry Reid pointing out that Romney is potentially doing this to Mormonism is a little crass.
Furthermore, I think it's clear that almost all of the things wrong with Romney aren't because of his religion, and therefore the people who would mistakenly think poorly of Mormonism because of the way Romney acts aren't smart enough to dignify with a response anyway.
What about Pres. Clinton? Should we have debated his religious adherence too?
The correct answer is: only Harry Reid. He's the one espousing that one's religion is an acceptable political target.
I'm certainly not above criticizing a candidate for their adherence to their particular beliefs. I still wonder about Obama, Jeremiah Wright and the whole Black Liberation Theology thing.
How many unemployed angels can dance on the head of a Mormon pin and how many on a Muslim pin?
Mitt owes Reid a punch in the fucking face.
I don't think the Jeremiah Wright stuff had to do with religion. "God Damn" America is more of a political statement in the context in which he used it. I haven't heard of any Mormons spouting radical anti-American statements.
Andy R.
Romney's gay marriage stance has nothing to do with Mormonism? Is that what they say about Mormons in California?
How Christian is Obama's flip flop on gay marriage?
I have mixed feelings about this. In a certain way, when you are a politician, anything is fair game; religion is certainly a window into your soul as well.
Thus, looking at someone's religious belief is useful in getting to know the candidate.
With Romney, I'm not sure if it's *crucial* that we understand his faith--although I'm admittedly biased, because I share his faith--but what's there to dislike? Sure, Mormons are weird, but part of the weirdness is that they like America (and this, despite heavy early persecution) and that they like to help others.
Obama, on the other hand, espoused a religion that consistently displayed hate against America; I would think that this ought to matter, when choosing the President of the United States.
While I oscillated between "Sure", "No" and "Obama only", I decided to mark "Sure", because how could anyone make a decision as to whether or not religion matters, without looking into religion?
(Lance brought up Pres. Clinton's religion--since his adherence seems to be "vanilla" anyway, why would it matter if we looked into it? It probably wouldn't have made much of a difference. And that's likely true for any President we might bring up.)
Does Mormonism hold with lying? Both Dusty Harry and Mittens have often been caught prevaricating.
Does Mormonism hold with lying? Both Dusty Harry and Mittens have often been caught prevaricating.
No more than Catholicism and Nancy Pelousy, I'd expect.
Apparently Reid is following the lead of some guy whose HuffPo byline is "Gregory Prince, PhD."
His PhD is in pathology.
He is president and CEO of Virion Systems, Inc., a biotech firm that has received $139,139 in federal grants under the "American Recovery and Reinvestment Act," aka Porkulus.
This is how the game is played in Chicago-on-the-Potomac.
How about a vote on whether Harry Reid should be declared an embarrassment to the species and banished from public life? That avoids insulting any innocent bystanders and really gets to the heart of the matter.
Richard Nixon - the mad bomber of Cambodia - was a Quaker.
But for a specimen like Harry Reid to attack Romney on a religious basis is really beyond parody.
Frankly there is only one religion today that is any real danger to freedom and therefore should be worth dissecting if a politician or elected official adopts it.
I'll leave you to wonder which one I mean.
I agree, Christopher. That was an incredibly stupid question. Because when I heard once that a murder was committed by a Christian I immediately concluded that the Christian church was pro-murder. What other possible (or more likely) explanation could there possibly be?
I was just skimming the article until I got to this part: "He said that Romney has sullied the religion that he, Prince and Romney share," Reid said.
Then I was all "What? Prince is a Mormon!?!" Then I re-read, and was highly disappointed.
Then I was all "What? Prince is a Mormon!?!" Then I re-read, and was highly disappointed.
Heh. Harry Reid name dropping Prince would have been great.
senile, vulgar little child
Apt description. Reid's an old fart whose time has come and gone. His statements are more about getting attention for himself and feeding his starving ego. I've heard the rumors of his pedophilia but he's probably impotent due to age related disease. It's this impotence that drives him to try to show some potency by making idiotic statements.
Crack has already given us a preview of what "going at" Romney over the Mormon Church would look like so I think he'll survive. It will denigrate Romney's detractors more than it will hurt Romeny and so I say go ahead. It's gonna happen anyway--the left has absolutely everything to lose.
Harry Reid is representative of the 99% of all politicians who make the rest of them look bad.
As I have said elsewhere today, "Romney no more represents the face of Mormonism than Harry does the other end."
Obama is a strong disciple of the church of radical progressivism. He's crap at worshipping anything other than himself so let's stop pretending he's a "Christian" or a "Muslim." Sometimes he makes mistakes but that's no great matter since personal accountability and responsibility are for the bitterclinging little people, not for Elite Progressives.
Romney's a Mormon, what a freak, and he's not even a good Mormon. Harry Reid said so and Harry Reid NEVER lies.
This "look over there- Squirrel!" tactic by the incumbents is to change the subject from a horrible economy and from a failed foreign policy crafted by two pussies [Obama and Hillary].
You need a "squirrel" tag.
"Dirty Harry" would not make my list of famous Mormon Role Models.
Obama is a closet muslim practicing Taqiyya - click to read about it
"Crack has already given us a preview of what "going at" Romney over the Mormon Church would look like so I think he'll survive. It will denigrate Romney's detractors more than it will hurt Romeny and so I say go ahead. It's gonna happen anyway--the left has absolutely everything to lose. "
Yeah, I usually enjoy Crack's stuff, but that was a little strange. My question is who is Romney's Mormonism going to offend that it hasn't already offended at this point? Evangelicals? Pfft, they're gonna support Obama? Stay away because of Romney? I think not.
TWM, do you mean socialism? Environmentalism?
Just how does one analyse Anti-Christ Religions?
Very carefully!
hatboy speaks for Jews. Jews Who Wanna Be Screwed or Jews Who Bend Over, which group, hatboy?
Harry Reid just took a huge dump on his own religion. Anything for political power.
Does anyone really believe Obama believes in anything more than his own awesomeness?
As the Romster is a better Mormon than Dingy Harry, or than Choom is a Christian (unless of the Rev Wright type) or Moslem, fire away.
We know who wins.
I guess that lying about a guy who said Romney never filed his taxes is what Reid thinks reflects well on his church.
As for Reid, it seems he has assumed the role of party attack dog which generally requires you to act like an asshole by making assinine accusations and unsubstantiated claims against political opponents. Thats a role typically assumed by the party chair. Is Debbie not up to the task?
This reminds me of the Seinfeld episode about Jewish and dentist jokes. You have to be one to tell jokes about them. Apparently that applies to throwing under the bus as well.
Madonna got in on the act by saying we should support Obama since he is a black Muslim.
I am not sure what these celebretards use for brains but I am pretty sure it can be flushed.
At any rate there seems to be some confusion about religion on the left these days.
"TWM, do you mean socialism? Environmentalism?"
Good guesses and certainly in the ballpark.
Prince, I believe, is a Jehovah's Witness.
Anyone know, wasn't the Rev. Wright a Muslim prior to purchasing that Christian franchise in Chicago?
Is Debbie not up to the task?
It's just that nobody believes anything she says anymore.
Wyo Sis--great recall. That was one of the classics.
At any rate there seems to be some confusion about religion on the left these days.
No confusion at all. For the left, the religion is The Left.
Hey --- has Reid ever given to the church?
He doesn't seem like a charitable type.
...by which I mean he isn't a Republican. Democrats are notoriously not charitable.
With Romney, I'm not sure if it's *crucial* that we understand his faith--although I'm admittedly biased, because I share his faith--but what's there to dislike? Sure, Mormons are weird, but part of the weirdness is that they like America (and this, despite heavy early persecution) and that they like to help others.
That's always been my stand. Do I agree with the Mormon faith? No. But I'll be damned if they don't seem to some really well-adjusted and all-around nice guys.
If Romney loses, in 2016, we'll hear about how the new Republican isn't a nice and compassionate guy like Mitt...because Romney seems to be one of the most genuinely good people to run for office in a while.
As for Reid, it seems he has assumed the role of party attack dog which generally requires you to act like an asshole by making assinine accusations and unsubstantiated claims against political opponents. Thats a role typically assumed by the party chair. Is Debbie not up to the task?
No, Debbie is an epic asshole.
And, heck, Reid isn't the worst pederast involved with Obama. No way Messina isn't fondling young boys on the bus.
BTW Wyo Sis--that would make a great Hitler finds out that the comedian is only a Jew because of the jokes.
And I am distressed because no one has levied "jewish princess" jokes against DWS--eg, Why do Jewish Princess have crows feet? Ans: You want me to suck what"?
Reid is an uncharitable corrupt pol.
How NV can stand him - I don't know.
April Apple: casino money
How about we dissect Reid?
I think Harry Reid should be brought up on charges of corruption and then thrown out of the US senate.
We'll never dissect anything relating to President Obama.
That will be for historians in the year 2056, safely enough in the future to determine what really went on.
We'll never dissect anything relating to President Obama.
That will be for historians in the year 2056, safely enough in the future to determine what really went on.
So where is Reid's tax returns? How can a person who has been a civil servant all their life BE A MILLIONAIRE? Has Reid given to charity? Has he paid all his taxes?
Reid sees the speck of dust in another's eye while ignoring the wooden beam in his.
Prince, I believe, is a Jehovah's Witness.
Yeah, you'll never get to hear "Darling Nikki" live again.
Is it any more "Mormon" to push class warfare and hate people who run businesses or are percieved to be wealthy? A person can be poor in spirit but not in need of bread. Should there be no mission to save people's souls, regardless of their wealth? Are those needing bread the only people who are in need? Harry Reid's party is constantly pushing class warfare. Shouldn't he be reaching out charitably to Romney, trying to change his heart rather than condemn him? Isn't that what a good Mormon would do?
What a "good Mormon" would do and what Harry Reid does never intersect. Heck, what that nightmare would do doesn't even get close to Christian. But, he is a politician after all, and they have a different skill set.
@EMD
LOL!!!!!!!!
I hate to use a "he started it" excuse. but a reply in kind is not unwarranted. And so long as Obama is dredging up Mitt's past (see: dog; see: alleged bullying), Seems like the "Rev." Wright is due exhuming.
Epsilon G, far as I can tell Clinton's 'religion' has one commandment: Anything goes.
george wrote:
|Madonna got in on the act by saying we should support Obama since he is a black Muslim.
I am not sure what these celebretards use for brains but I am pretty sure it can be flushed.
At any rate there seems to be some confusion about religion on the left these days.
At one of her latest concerts she said "you better vote for Obama" and then said she would take her clothes off if he won.
That's a great incentive to not vote for Obama. What is she thinking?
F*ck Harry Reid and the corruption he rode in on.
April,
"Reid is an uncharitable corrupt pol.
How NV can stand him - I don't know."
Well, it does get him out of the state...
Lyssa,
That's awesome!
Here's Madonna threatening to fully undress if Obama wins.
http://thehill.com/capital-living/in-the-know/258491-madonna-strips-for-obama-offers-profanity-laced-endorsement
Keey your damn pants on you old hag!
chickelit,
Crack has already given us a preview of what "going at" Romney over the Mormon Church would look like so I think he'll survive.
No he won't - Mitt Romney defending Mormonism before the American public isn't the same as me facing down the Althouse Hillbillies, who are predisposed to rooting for Romney, changing the subject, personal attacks, disappearing when cornered, not sticking up for ethical lapses, and more. Romney's already shown his first line of defense is to lie, and in a public forum that would be exposed, along with the more-bizarre-then-any-other- religion nature of Mormonism. (This ain't your parents "Christianity" folks!) He will come undone.
It will denigrate Romney's detractors more than it will hurt Romeny and so I say go ahead. It's gonna happen anyway--the left has absolutely everything to lose.
It's going to happen anyway? Oh, you mean like when Romney said Obama would make this less of a Christian nation? (A religious jab his supporters didn't call him on, BTW, honest folks that they are.) Is that the kind of desperate act you refer to?
TWM,
Yeah, I usually enjoy Crack's stuff, but that was a little strange.
What's strange? Mitt Romney fits smack-dab in the middle of what I usually cover - his wife's into quackery and now he thinks cold fusion is real - so the idea you guys would think I'd back a cult fruitcake is what's strange.
My question is who is Romney's Mormonism going to offend that it hasn't already offended at this point?
People who don't know what it is, because everyone's bought into this "it's Christianity" lie, when it's nothing of the kind. People who don't understand it's real-world ramifications (rampant scamming, false "prophets" dictating politics, etc.)
Evangelicals? Pfft, they're gonna support Obama? Stay away because of Romney? I think not.
No, but "crazier than you are" could have an affect.
If there's one thing that's clear from my recent time here, it's this:
You guys don't want Mormonism taken seriously.
You want it to stay cartoon "nice" folks, who are just like you and I, but have been persecuted for no reason what-so-ever, because - can't you see it? - they're so fucking wonderful in every way.
The truth:
They are a cult - one that Christopher Hitchens called "one of the most egregious groups operating on American soil."
I am a Mormon. From what I read, and their examples, Romney actually lives his religion. Reid just likes to talk.
Yvonne,
I am a Mormon. From what I read, and their examples, Romney actually lives his religion.
You win The Crack Emcee's UNDERSTATEMENT OF THE YEAR AWARD!
Congratulations, you fucking loon!
Pure class, Crack. Just what we've come to expect.
the Althouse Hillbillies
Why are you cribbing from Shiloh?
Mark Nielsen,
Pure class, Crack. Just what we've come to expect.
Thank you, thank you [bows].
EMD,
the Althouse Hillbillies
Why are you cribbing from Shiloh?
Dude. Shiloh didn't come up with that - that's who we are.
Or do you consider this rough, tough, rootin' tootin' potato chip-on-your-shirt-wearing collective of "crazy" people (I include myself in that description) to be a savvy bunch of "intellectuals"?
If you do, you're out of your fucking mind.
Wear it with pride,...
the Althouse Hillbillies
True fact.
back in the bad old depression days when FDR absolutely had to damn up all the valleys in Tennesee to make work for other homeless folk, the fed gov.org took the displaced rural Tenneseeians and relocated them on some useless land in central Wisconsin.
Hence Wisconsin Hillbillies
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