"[Romney] has said Obama's a nice fellow, he's just in over his head," [one campaign] adviser said. "But I think the governor himself believes this latest round of attacks that have impugned his integrity and accused him of being a felon go so far beyond that pale that he's really disappointed. He believes it's time to vet the president. He really hasn't been vetted; McCain didn't do it."
Indeed, facing what the candidate and his aides believe to be a series of surprisingly ruthless, unfounded, and unfair attacks from the Obama campaign on Romney's finances and business record, the Republican's campaign is now prepared to go eye for an eye in an intense, no-holds-barred act of political reprisal, said two Romney advisers who spoke on condition of anonymity. In the next chapter of Boston's pushback — which began last week when they began labeling Obama a "liar" — very little will be off-limits, from the president's youthful drug habit, to his ties to disgraced Chicago politicians.
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Why Romney deleted the line "He's a nice guy."
It was a stock line, but it meant something, and it's not something Romney wants to say anymore.
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I say do whatever it takes against the Liar-In-Chief.
I used to defend Obama the same way, but Obama is a so down and low in character that Martin Luther King ,Jr is surely rolling over in his grave.
I have a dream that one day, Black Presidents will not be given a pass because of the color of their skin, but will be judged by their character
What took them so long?
And weren't they paying attention to Obama's track record in elections? Didn't they see how his Senate opponents were treated?
It has surprised me how Romney was so aggressive with Newt and Santorum but has allowed Obama to frame the terms of the debate so far.
About time.
Obama was never a nice guy. No one on the left is a nice guy. When your philosophy is to send marauding hoards to take from others to give to yourself and your friends, you, by definition, are not a nice guy.
very little will be off-limits, from the president's youthful drug habit, to his ties to disgraced Chicago politicians.
I'll believe that when I see it.
"RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACISSSSSSSSSSTTTT!!!!"
Boo frickin' hoo lol
mittens says ~ now cut that out :-P
Hope Althouse's loverboy isn't too discombobulated when Obama's campaign starts running ads using the Rep primary debaters ie Newt calling mittens a liar et al.
As always, mittens not ready for prime time!
Althouse, link is broken
About time - though, like campy, I'll believe it when I see it. In the immortal words of Lee Atwater, it's time to strip the bark off the little bastard.
I'm sure our usual suspects will be in here whining about the politics of personal destruction. On behalf of all of us who've suffered under the calumny that is the stock and trade of the Democrat party - FOAD. You called down the thunder, and now you're going to get it. Good and hard.
Shilho whined: Hope Althouse's loverboy isn't too discombobulated when Obama's campaign starts running ads using the Rep primary debaters ie Newt calling mittens a liar et al.
Some primary campaign images truly are indelible: like the one of your guy giving Hillary the finger.
Ties?
Obama IS a disgraced Chicago politician.
Romney can start by saying he'll release more tax returns when Obama releases his college transcripts.
Kinda ironic the biggest whiners the past (4) years have been Althouse and her conservative flock.
At least now they have an appropriate "leader".
Wah Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
Neither McCain nor the mass media dominated by liberal and progressive Jewish pundits, producers, and string pullers vetted the guy.
Some fertile ground exists.
1. What was his academic record. How did a Choom Gang member who was a "lackadaisical student" get Ivy League, then Harvard Law?
2. Why was Obama the only "Law lecturer" kept on after 2 years at any law school...and why was he the only one promoted to permanent "Senior law lecturer" in the whole country when that spot is reserved for 1-2 years for guest jobs for retired high prestige judges, senior law firm partners, those with critical academic contributions in a field of law, or visiting law professors???
3. What was the role of the billionaire Crown, Pritzker, and Klutznik families that run U of Chicagos Board of Trustees and who have huge influence in the Daily Machine getting Barack and Michelle cushy, light work, not intellectually challenging sinecures??
4. How many jobs has Jeffrey Immelt, head of Obama's jobs and economic advisory committee - sent to China under Obama?
5. What did Obama mean off-Mic about how he would do the things Russia, China, and other countries wanted once he was reelected.
The theme of Romney's election should be that Obama is incompetent and in over his head because has not had to work hard to get where he is. This is also why Obama has no idea what he is doing and why he thinks individual effort is over-rated.
And please continue to whine in this thread as that's what Althouse's lemmings do best.
It's what's for dinner! on a daily basis at conservative blogs ...
Again, let's hear for consistency lol.
This might be the original article.
Yes to Fast and Furious. No to the rest of the crap.
"I'll be glad to turn over all my tax returns as soon as Barack Obama and Eric Holder produce those Fast and Furious documents. I'm just a private citizen. I have no power. He's the President of the United States and innocent people have died as a result of the incompetence of his Justice Department. That is the story, and for the liberal media to ignore it is appalling. I only wish Obama was a Republican so the Washington Post would be hounding him for the truth. Again, I will be glad to share my tax returns. I've committed no crime and I'm not covering up anything. What is the Obama administration covering up? Show those docoments and I will release any tax records he wants to see."
Boom, return volley for score.
What is Romney, Mr. Naive? Just now he's getting it that Obama's a total shit? Your head could explode from Republican niceness.
Romney is going to pick Breitbart.com as his VP from what it's looking like.
Romney is going to pick Breitbart.com as his VP from what it's looking like.
Even with a busted connection, it'd still be smarter than Slow Joe.
If Romney kept saying "he's a nice guy", it would really make it hard for Romney to call anyone ELSE a liar.
Shit, Romney could pick an over-ripe banana and it's be smarter than Biden.
I mean no insult to over-ripe bananas.
"I mean, this is a guy who admitted to cocaine use, had a sweetheart deal with his house in Chicago, and was associated and worked with Rod Blagojevich to get Valerie Jarrett appointed to the Senate," the adviser said. "The bottom line is there'll be counterattacks."
Yeah, but those counterattacks are retarded. Whoever this "adviser" is, he's not helping.
You want to hit Obama and make it hurt?
Fast and Furious.
Fast and Furious.
And Fast and Furious.
If you have to get off the economy and get personal and mean, accuse him of the biggest fucking scandal in the 20th century. Innoent people have died because of this stupid fucking administration. Hit him with that, and hit him hard.
He has no defense for it. None.
Accuse him of corruption within the context of a genuine fucking story that the MSM refuses to cover. Hit him with that, because simultaneously you are smacking and embarrassing the press.
They don't want to talk about Fast and Furious, and Holder's contempt of Congress. Tie in the Romney's tax records with Obama's secret documents that really are criminal.
The comparison kills. Nothing else need be said.
Romney's Mormon attitude is to assume people are well-intentioned.
I am instead moving toward the military advice; "Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet."
Romney's "really disappointed. He believes it's time to vet the president."
Hahahahahaha. I mean really.
It would be a waste of time (and money) as well as counterproductive for Romney to attack Obama for anything other than his disastrous record as president. Four years ago it might have been good to know more about Obama's college record, but now nobody gives a sh*t about that. Romney would lose traction by talking about it. Ties to corrupt Chicago politicians are relevant only to the extent that they relate to Obama's crony capitalism -- and don't we have enough information about that subject that we don't have to delve into the past? Until after Labor Day (at the earliest) this is all inside baseball, nobody but us politics junkies is paying attention. And it's the undecided voters that decide elections. Romney is playing smart, and he should continue to do so.
Shilho: It's what's for Donner on a daily basis at liberal blogs as they continue to feed on themselves....
Yes, let's hear it for consistency
take care, lol
When you're being polite to someone, such as Romney was with "He's a nice guy", and then that person mischaracterizes you so egregiuosly as Obama has, you're not inclined to remain polite.
The more interesting question is why some people think Obama is likeable. He's an ass.
"Romney's Mormon attitude is to assume people are well-intentioned."
OMG. He's decent! He's wholesome!
Conservative radio host pressures Romney, then mocks him for caving
"When word got around that Republican presidential hopeful Mitt Romney had appointed an openly gay man as his Foreign Policy and National Security Spokesman, unrelenting criticism from the right soon forced the Romney campaign to let him go.
Bryan Fischer of the American Family Association was among the most prominent of those critics, suggesting that Richard Grenell’s lifestyle could make him a security risk. But having gotten his way, Fischer is now milkng Romney’s haste to accomodate the religious right as a source of doubts about the candidate’s backbone.
“If Mitt Romney can be pushed around, intimidated, coerced, coopted by a conservative radio talk show host in Middle America,” Fischer asked, “then how is he going to stand up to the Chinese, how is he going to stand up to Putin, how is he going to stand up to North Korea, if he can be pushed around by a yokel like me?”
“I don’t think Romney’s realizing kind of the doubts that this begins to raise about his leadership,” he added.
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Althouse boy in a nutshell lol but not to worry as her other loverboy, Limbaugh, will still carry water for mittens. :D
I yield back the balance of my time ...
@harrogate:
Up until now it's been let's pet the president, not vet the President.
Even you give him strokes.
shiloh said...
Hope Althouse's loverboy isn't too discombobulated when Obama's campaign starts running ads using the Rep primary debaters ie Newt calling mittens a liar et al.
Remember how well that worked for McCain when he used footage of Hillary against Obama?
OOOPS!
Idiot.
It would be a very bad idea for the Romney campaign to attack the President directly. Independents really don't like partisan politics. As the challenger, Romney needs be the "change" candidate. He can't afford to look like another Rove/Atwater disciple.
He'd do much better to employ Clinton-style attack surrogates. Not only does this allow the candidate to appear above the fray, it also defuses the so-called fact-checkers, who won't bother to deal with accusations made by congressmen and pundits.
Unfortunately, by announcing that he'll be attacking the President, he's pretty much undermined much of the benefit from surrogates.
As Ace would say, "shit just got real". And yeah garbage, I love that Mitt is channeling Andrew. As Andrew said: WAR
chickelit:
I have found that most of the things that people scream was never "known" about Obama, everyone had heard. It's like the whole Reverend Wright thing. Who the hell that voted did not know about him? Who doesn't know Obama experimented with some drugs when he was young?
When you say you want him vetted, I suspect what you really mean is, you want everyone to share your views on him. Not the same thing.
mccullough - yep!
Most of the things I mentioned are matters that bear on Obama (and Michelles) competency, their intellectual and work product before he became President.
If I was on Romney's oppo research staff..I would be digging deep with contact with the U of Chicago Law Faculty, active and retired.
Rumors exist that there are U of Chicago Faculty that are pretty down on Obama as getting Special Treatment from the Trustees for 20 years.
That he never published anything, he never reviewed colleagues work, he avoided conversations with professors on law matters. That he only showed up to give 2 one-hour Constitutional Law lectures to two cohorts at the law school twice a week and was never tasked with other duties.
That his intellectual capacity and education and work experience to give the school and students a quality product beyond some dazzling speeches and bull shooting sessions...was seriously questioned.
That Obama was taken in with the understanding he would publish legal papers when his "Dreams of My Father" book deal was done...and go on the tenure track. That it soon became apparant that despite many influential mentors - that Obama did not have the knowledge or drive to hard work that would give him a shot at tenure.
But his mentors saw him as politically valuable, someone worth cultivating that needed a job - so the temporary law lecturer spot - against all tradition - became a light work sinecure for Barack - alone at law school faculties in this.
And once the Crowns and Pritzkers ensconced him, Barak lost any interest in publishing a single academic paper, or doing any other academic work, even learning a subject outside "Constitutional Law" so they could have him do more than play basketball and do 2 courses a week..
That Michelle Obama was at best a part-time Admin exec with no real executive duties.
That Barack through his patronage, took up lecturer spots that belonged to new and fresh U of Chicago grads, or the senior lecturer spot that should have gone to a succession of VIP temporary Faculty who had distinguished themselves in the law profession or as professors at other universities.
It would be a waste of time (and money) as well as counterproductive for Romney to attack Obama for anything other than his disastrous record as president.
Yes, exactly. It's exceedingly lame to attack Obama's secrecy over his college transcripts. Who gives a damn? He has a record now!
And I think secretive attacks from secret assassins is horseshit. Mitt Romney better man up. You can be a happy warrior. But fight back!
The press wants to see your tax returns. The appropriate response to that is to remind the press of the secrecy and cover-up that the Obama administration is doing right now. Tie the two issues together. You can do that and still be nice. You don't have to go all Newt on them. But you can and should use this issue to highlight some problems with the Obama administration. And force the media to cover an issue they don't want to talk about. Jujitsu!
Barry's come out of the closet (well, he is the first lesbian President) as far as what he really wants for this country and it's the kind of thing he told Joe The Plumber.
It was too late to wake up everybody last time, but now it's right out there in the open.
shiloh said...
:-P
Hope Althouse's loverboy isn't too discombobulated when Obama's campaign starts running ads using the Rep primary debaters ie Newt calling mittens a liar et al.
And kicked Newt's ass.
As always, mittens not ready for prime time!
Yeah, that's why bathtub swabbie's Messiah is killing himself just to stay even.
Kinda ironic the biggest whiners the past (4) years have been Althouse and her conservative flock.
No, that honor goes to Little Zero, who has to find somebody - Dubya, the Euros, the weather, the tidal wave in Japan, the Republicans in the House, the Arab Spring, the Tea Party, Fox News, Rush Limbaugh - to blame for all his failures.
And bathtub swabbie who feels so obliged to cover Zero's ass (among other things he'd love to do).
Jay
Both Hillary and Bill gave rousing, unwavering full support speeches of Obama at the 2008 Dem convention. And campaigned for him non-stop.
The endorsements of confused RINO mittens by conservatives so far are, how shall I say, tepid at best.
This is turning out to be a lot like 2004 when turdblossom's GOTV buried Kerry. Who was a tad more likable than mittens lol.
Damned w/faint praise!
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btw, who's gonna be sittin' in for mittens at the presidential debates and will they be allowed life lines!
take care, blessings
Don't bring up Jeremiah Wright. The media said so.
Lance said...
It would be a very bad idea for the Romney campaign to attack the President directly. Independents really don't like partisan politics
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Independents also know that both McCain and the press were servile lapdogs to Obama on the matter of Vetting The Purple America, transcendent politician who would be the 1st Negro!!
So they will go along with Romney doing what the media and McCain wouldn't to vet the guy.
As long as it is vetting and not "Chicago-style" throwing of buckets of mud for the sake of throwing the mud to demonize..
"And please continue to whine in this thread as that's what Althouse's lemmings do best."
That whine you hear is the Romney truth machine firing up. It's locked and loaded and this administration is a target rich environment. It's gonna be good fun.
On the "nice guy" meme: I like Celeste Holmes's remark about Bette Davis that Prof. Althouse published yesterday: "I walked onto the set of 'All About Eve' on the first day and said, 'Good Morning,' and do you know her reply? [Bette Davis] said, 'Oh shit, good manners'. I never spoke to her again - ever."
Romney needs to get the American people to see that aspect of Obama. He should continue to be polite and respectful of of the office, but he's right if he doesn't call him a nice guy anymore.
" unrelenting criticism from the right soon forced the Romney campaign to let him go."
Actually, it was pressure from the radical gay groups that pressure the guy for joining "the enemy."
You don't get much right, do you ?
Harrogate replied: When you say you want him vetted, I suspect what you really mean is, you want everyone to share your views on him. Not the same thing.
Well, you can think and suspect what you like of course. As can I!
I think the DC press corpse knows that it has a second chance and they won't blow it. I have faith in them somehow. Of course there are the die hard agenda-driven ones, but they will be marginalia when this year is over. At the very least a compromise will be reached: no more mollycoddling.
He'd do much better to employ Clinton-style attack surrogates.
That's not going to work. He's being hit on his secrecy about his taxes and his great wealth. Having "surrogates" attack Obama is bullshit. Particularly if the media doesn't give a rat's ass. Which they won't.
What he needs to do is have an answer for the specific (implicit) charge. The implicit charge is that he is not sharing his tax returns because he's secretive, and maybe a felon, and very rich, and blah blah blah.
The response to that is to say that you have nothing to hide, and you'd be glad to share your tax returns.
As soon as the Obama administration shares all the Fast and Furious documents with the Republicans in Congress.
The press has to report on that. They can't avoid it. Which bounces the subject right back to Obama and his secrecy.
Deal with the problem. Trying to keep Mitt "nice" while surrogates use daggers is bullshit and lame and a failure waiting to happen. Deal with the fucking problem!
Indeed, facing what the candidate and his aides believe to be a series of surprisingly ruthless, unfounded, and unfair attacks...
Hey, what's Obama to do? Mitt doesn't have any sealed divorce records.
And that's what Romney should focus on...
the fact that Obama isn't and has never been a nice guy.
Good for Romney.
Obama isn't a 'nice guy' what he's done - or not done - to the country is appalling.
Let's be clear Althouse lemmings. mittens Super Pac $$$ buried his sorry ass, train wreck opposition w/ad nauseam negative ads in the Rep primary.
Much like Obama is doing to Romney now.
mittens has been runnin' for president his entire adult life and yet he's soooo unprepared.
Again, I yield back the balance of my time.
Good.
He omitted the "Nice Guy" line because the WaPo gave it 5 Pinocchio's! OMG!
Then Obama sang some Al Green and quoted Elizabeth Warren and we all voted for him again...
shiloh said...
Jay
Both Hillary and Bill gave rousing, unwavering full support speeches of Obama at the 2008 Dem convention. And campaigned for him non-stop.
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Yeah, because that is how the game is played. Unless you are a petulant little prick like Rick Santorum or too prideful and stupid to know better - like Jesse Jackson or Rick Perry.
Deep down, I think both Clintons think Barack would be fit to fetch coffee for President Hillary, join the ranks of the Head Negroes that keep blacks on the Democrat Plantation, and little else.
harrogate said...
It's like the whole Reverend Wright thing. Who the hell that voted did not know about him? Who doesn't know Obama experimented with some drugs when he was young?
Um, a lot of people.
Considering in survey after survey people can't name the Chief Justice of the Supreme court, who controls congress, who the VP is, your assertion is silly and false.
Axelrod and Plouffe must be scared. Even the lame trolls are out.
shiloh said...
Kerry was a tad more likable than mittens lol.
bathtub swabbie hasn't been reading the praise for the Romster's character.
But, of course, he thinks a phony like Lurch is likable
btw, who's gonna be sittin' in for mittens at the presidential debates and will they be allowed life lines!
Better to ask that question of the Stuttering Clusterfuck President.
With a real opponent, one who impressed a lot of people in the primary debates, I'm wondering if Zero will even do a debate.
take care, blessings
bathtub swabbie hid out all week drooling all over himself, dropped a few mindless non sequiturs, and now runs as things heat up.
Standard.
btw, even hard care cons must have thought mittens asking Obama for an apology was frickin' hilarious!
ciao
I believe Alice Cooper will give Romney the rights to, No Mr. Nice Guy. Unfortunately, it's a shitty song.
"Romney truth machine"...thanks, that was funny.
Somebody give tiger a hug!
shiloh said...
Let's be clear Althouse lemmings. mittens Super Pac $$$ buried his sorry ass, train wreck opposition w/ad nauseam negative ads in the Rep primary.
Much like Obama is doing to Romney now.
Which is why Barry is whining about not enough money.
And why so many of Zero's donors are going over to the Romster.
mittens has been runnin' for president his entire adult life and yet he's soooo unprepared.
No, that's bathtub swabbie's Little Zero.
tiger deleted his childish rant. Too funny!
shiloh said...
'mittens'
Seriously, you're gonna call him
'mittens'?
It's obvious you have poor self-esteem issue so on some level doing this makes you feel superior to him.
You're not.
But what you are is a petty, childish, shit-heel of a human being.
I bet you got upset when people called Barack 'Barry' and said it demeaned him.
more POPCORN! -cp
shiloh said...
This is turning out to be a lot like 2004 when turdblossom's GOTV buried Kerry. Who was a tad more likable than mittens lol.
Huh?
Obama is in full panic mode because he is being out raised and he's already spent $100 million in TV ads to be tied with the "unpopular" Romney.
You are an idiot.
tiger's nothing if not persistent lol. But when one redoes their childish rant, it loses it's effect.
If there ever was one in the 1st place.
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In any event, please give tiger a hug!
Kerry was not remotely likable. Had he been, he probably would have won the election.
Romney has another advantage over Obama: when someone says "adult life" and "Romney" in the same sentence, it doesn't sound incongruous and funny like it does with "Obama" in the sentence.
Whatever I think of Romney, he wouldn't be the Man Boy in Chief like our current President.
@shiloh, I though you yielded back the balance of your time. You have lied once again, sir.
(Make that "cur.")
Somebody give Jay a hug also ...
Don't bring up Jeremiah Wright. The media said so.
I say so too.
You save Jeremiah Wright for the attacks on Romney's religion.
When they attack his dog? "You ate dog!"
When they attack Romney for failure to disclose his tax records?
What about all those documents your administration won't reveal in the Fast and Furious scandal?
Obama's not going to reveal those documents. So the story dies.
If Obama does reveal them, they will be far more damning than anything in Romney's tax records.
National Review and other Republicans are calling on Romney to release his tax records. No!
Be open to it, but only if the Obama administration is more open and transparent. That's how you handle that. Do not let Obama make Romney the issue. He's not the issue. Obama is the issue. Focus on his record, and make sure America hears all about it.
shiloh said...
btw, even hard care cons must have thought mittens asking Obama for an apology was frickin' hilarious!
Lessee, how many Lefties have made careers out of demanding apologies.
But it's OK, Zero's finally apologized to Poland for that "Polish death camp" thing. Such a gifted thinker and speaker.
Just right for people like bathtub swabbie.
Sorry about the bad link and how long it took me to fix it.
I'm wondering if Zero will even do a debate.
I won't be surprised if Zero has Romney frog-marched off the debate stage in handcuffs over his "felony lies."
@tiger: I saw what you did there--you leapfrogged a toady named shilho. lol
Romney: Apologize.
Obama: No.
Romney: Okay thanks!
It's funny. I match it with my Belgians. All three were so touchy. With my German Shepard, honestly, all his training was like reward vs unhappy scowl but all three Belgians training were reward vs absence of immediate acknowledgement and brief withholding of continuous tender administrations.
The very agenda driven media and political hacks on the Democrat side are what will bring Obama down. He's so pathetic that attempts to prop him up are obviously stupid and vile.
Speaking of fast and furious, the conservative disingenuous apologizing/rationalizing of mittens in this thread has been rapid fire.
As per usual at Althouse. :-P
No more time to yield ... ciao. :)
Hahahaha Shiloh said ciao four shilohs ago.
See? I knew it would be five.
An idea whose time has come.
Expose the destructor-in-chief for the ignorants and humiliate the press.
They aren't the only ones with barrels of ink, anymore.
vetting: Let's return to Michelle's salary bump to $317K from $121K for a no-show VP-of-PR job at U of Chicago Hospital.
Does this mean Sarah Palin will get to speak at Mittie's Convention in Prime Time?
She is hands down the best nail Obama while no pulling the punches speaker than the entire rest of the GOP put together.
Get angry Mitt! That's a real basic human emotion. Showing anger and resolve will make people understand the Mystery Mormon Man for the first time.
A commander is someone whose persona includes the, "I'd as soon kill you as look at you face"
harrogate said...
"It's like the whole Reverend Wright thing. Who the hell that voted did not know about him? Who doesn't know Obama experimented with some drugs when he was young?"
I'm amazed at how many people don't know that Barry's mother is as white as a Barry Manilow concert. Or that he was raised on the beaches of Hawaii by his ultra-lily white bank president grandmother.
He has done a great job of portraying himself as a traditional African-American, decended from slaves and growing up in Chicago.
As to the deletion, maybe it was a computer editing thing. It happens to me all the time where I'm going for one single character but the editor enthusiastically selects a whole word and sometimes an entire phrase.
It could haaappen
wyo sis said...
The very agenda driven media and political hacks on the Democrat side are what will bring Obama down. He's so pathetic that attempts to prop him up are obviously stupid and vile.
I think that's because they actually are more craven than he is. Obama has his foibles--a lot of them--but the complicit media whores are the real culprits. They could have have spared us this and yet they chose not to.
Chip Ahoy said...
Hahahaha Shiloh said ciao four shilohs ago.
"Shilohs" are units of disingenuity. How many shilohs does it take to make ___
Obama: They bring a knife, we bring a gun.
Romney: Obama's a nice guy.
Obama: 'Rich' people suck.
Romney: But he's in over his head.
Obama: Okay, they weren't exactly shovel-ready.
Romney: Businesses are the backbone of this country.
Obama: Republicans will have to sit in the back of the bus.
Romney: I believe in the people of this country.
Obama: The Constitution is a set of negative rights.
Romney: I will repeal ObamaTax my first day in office if elected.
Obama: The rich aren't paying their fair share.
If you haven't picked up on the contrasting theme(s) by now, you are hopelessly stupid.
Mittens = Bambi
Cedarford said...
"Neither McCain nor the mass media dominated by liberal and progressive Jewish pundits, producers, and string pullers vetted the guy."
Breaking my own rule about conversing with antisemites:
1. Keep the antisemitism to yourself. It's beyond tiresome.
2) On point: bullshit. Anyone of voting age with an IQ of 95 or better could have figured out Obama was exactly what he proved to be: the least experienced person ever nominated by a major political party for president; ideologically a significant outlier from the American mainstream, who was thus doomed to fail.
It was like predicting the outcome of giving a 16 year old boy the keys to a corvette and a bottle of Southern Comfort: you could have measured him for the casket as you did so.
Stop giving the idiots a pass for voting for this twit; it was just about the most obvious thing ever, and blaming the media or John McCain or Space Aliens or your used toilet paper for failing to vet Obama is just a world-class, chicken-shit cop-out.
If Barbara Tuchman was still alive, she could add a new chapter to her book, "The March of Folly," on all the idiots who suspended any sense of critical judgment and disbelief to delude themselves into believing this affirmative action beneficiary would somehow, against all known experience and reason, be able to perform as president.
It was never going to happen, and it was entirely predictable.
You lefties are really quite frightened aren't you? I don't think it's that bad. Obama may lose, but look at the bright side...well that's it. You get a better, freer, more prosperous country. What the hell do want, a handout too? Cheer up - you'll be fine.
Go Boston.
We can be incredibly nasty out here.
There will be tears...and tits, natch.
@wyo sis: The MSM are a bit like the media that stood up for state union workers in Wisconsin--running a bit scared at the looming decision. Traditional media has been under threat for quite a while now and this election may bring things to a head--I hope it does anyway. What they haven't figured out is that this isn't an existential threat--doing away with them--it's about curtailing their monopoly.
That is the WI election writ larger.
"Stop giving the idiots a pass for voting for this twit; it was just about the most obvious thing ever, and blaming the media or John McCain or Space Aliens or your used toilet paper for failing to vet Obama is just a world-class, chicken-shit cop-out."
Nice work Tim, couldn't have said it better myself.
This country's greatest 'resource' is ignorance, unfortunately. Hence, the excuse-rich environment that results.
If nothing is off the table, can we start talking about Mitt Romney impersonating a cop and pulling people over?
" Anyone of voting age with an IQ of 95 or better could have figured out Obama was exactly what he proved to be: the least experienced person ever nominated by a major political party for president; ideologically a significant outlier from the American mainstream, who was thus doomed to fail.
"
I don't mean to brag, but my I.Q. has been tested 3 times, and it was over 83 every time, and I could still figure that out. I'm available for tutoring the rest of you at $100/hr., except lawyers, who in fairness, I must charge $400/hr.
"If nothing is off the table, can we start talking about Mitt Romney impersonating a cop and pulling people over?"
Sure there are always fools. You've never needed facts. When can we expect the arrest of Walker again ?
I would love to hear someone in the mainstream media just say, "You know what? Obama has been a mistake and it's time to let him go."
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
(CBS News) President Obama and Mitt Romney are effectively tied in the race for the presidency, according to a new CBS News/New York Times survey.
Forty-seven percent of registered voters nationwide who lean towards a candidate back Romney, while 46 percent support the president.
And it is weighted D+6 which is totally like a rational snap shot of the electorate today!
Blessing shiloh! The coke snorter in chief spent $100 million and all he's got is a tie in Dem weighted polls.
Too bad for you, Tim...is we are finding out that cabals on Wall Street pushing poison paper then having enough money spread around in DC to get 100% bailouts really do exist.
As do cabals like JournaList - where the stated mission of the journalists was to get Obama elected and quash things embarassing to the Messiah.
Screaming antisemitism! about this is like screaming racism! anytime the subject of black crime comes up.
Slavery and WWII may have given a temporary immunity from criticism status to blacks and Jews..but it was wildly unrealistic to think it would be permanent.
And claimants otherwise, like you and the likes of Al Sharpton...are tiresome to me.
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As for "everyone knew exactly who Obama was, even if the media never fully vetted him".....
Laughable.
Stuff will be coming out about his "Bain equivalent" - he and Michelles years at U of Chicago , how little he actually did, the extraordinary treatment 3 wealthy Jewish families that dominated the U of Chicago Board of Trustees gave him (his Crown, Pritzker, and Klutznik patrons) - that will make Bain seem innocuous by comparison.
How Avner Mikva mentored him. Bill Ayres, the Chicago mentors, and Ayres radical Columbia Faculty sympathizers - that got Obama into Harvard Law.
Cerarford
Bain is innocuous by any comparison. There is no there there.
It was a stock line, but it meant something, and it's not something Romney wants to say anymore.
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Dear Mitt, if you want my vote, it better be ON LIKE DONKEY KONG BIATCHES!
So the 2012 campaign is now a contest to see who has the sketchier personal history: Boring Mormon who started a business vs. Invisible Man whose adolescent-through-young-adult portrait is one of a drug-peddling loser who despised whitey. Hmm.
Let's be honest: Romney could have started the Teletubbies franchise and the Left would still feign indignation. Bain, decorative soaps, edible panties, it doesn't matter. Their anger is so forced and insincere it makes even Romney's public persona seem half-believable.
Then there's Obama. Fuck him. I hate seeing his stupid wife all over cnet.com asking me to tell "Barack" that "I'm in!" I hate how the media coddles him. But at least this election year I'll resent him more than his ridiculous followers. 2008 was a surreal nightmare. People actually had a politician's face on their t-shirts without even a hint of irony. That was ghastly.
Little known fact: when you spend gobs of time talking about how something is not getting talked about, then that something is actually being talked about.
A rider to this is that if on multiple occasions you puff out your chest and with your best "honor" voice say that you will not bring up subjects A, B, and C, because you are above that, then in reality you are frequently bringing up A, B, and C.
"People actually had a politician's face on their t-shirts without even a hint of irony. That was ghastly."
I'll second that.
"People actually had a politician's face on their t-shirts without even a hint of irony. That was ghastly."
So true. It was reason enough to vote against him. Those people should have no influence whatsoever on public policy - ever.
And Mormonism is supposed to be the problem?
As compared to the cult of Obama, what a crock of shit.
wyo sis/
"...attempts to prop him up are obviously stupid and vile."
To YOU maybe, but just remember all Obama has to do is "fool enough of the people enough of the time." Worked for Clinton and for the "Big O" (apologies to Oscar Robertson) the first time around. Why shouldn't it work for Comandante Zero once again?
Sigh -
the truth is, if Obama loses and Romney wins, I might have to actually get a job! The government might stop giving me Obama bucks. Got to protect that, know what I'm sayin? Just keepin' it real!
He brought underwear to a knife fight.
How many shilohs does it take to create that business? You didn't create that!
People actually had a politician's face on their t-shirts without even a hint of irony. That was ghastly.
Hahaha yes. People got Obama (or Obama logo) tattoos, too. That's gonna leave a mark.
Jay wrote:
"Considering in survey after survey people can't name the Chief Justice of the Supreme court, who controls congress, who the VP is, your assertion is silly and false."
That hardly contradicts my point. Indeed, it strengthens it. Some people don't follow politics at all, and don't bother to learn names of powerful officials? Then gee, no matter how many times some pundit goes on tv asking why we aren't talking about Jeremiah Wright, I guess those people won't hear, will they?
But the people who did pay attention at all, enough to be able to name the VP candidates, etc., had heard all about the stuff everyone was screaming nobody ever talked about.
Obama's real problem, besides the fact that he is a phony through and through, lacks any real experience, and being as dishonest as they come, besides all that, and besides the dismal economy, the despicable polarization he promotes, Obama's real problem is - he just doesn't have any unsealed scandalous divorce records to use on Romney.
His powers are broken. He's been hit by Kryptonite, and he never was Superman to begin with.
Obama must win. I have sexual fantasies about him that only work if he remains President.
Oh, Mr. President!
Where's my blonde wig . . !
But the people who did pay attention at all, enough to be able to name the VP candidates, etc., had heard all about the stuff everyone was screaming nobody ever talked about.
Which isn't a majority of the electorate.
That hardly contradicts my point. Indeed, it strengthens it
No it doesn't. See above.
Hey, for those who aren't paying attention, it doesn't matter how much the media screams something. You can't blame the media for those who didn't know about Jeremiah Wright, is my point. Because that topic came up ad nauseum. As did Ayers, Weatherpeople, etc. As did his drug use as a young man. My point is not we have an electorate who craves to know all about politics. It is that all this caterwauling about "vetting Obama" is fucking idiotic on its face.
harrogate,
the point is that by saturation, the media makes people pay attention.
A perfect example of this is the 2 minutes of time NBC "news" has given Fast & Furious.
Seriously Shiloh? O_o
So what people mean when they say they want "vetting" is they want "saturation"? Who get to determine when we have reached the point of saturation?
Believe me, there are plenty of issues that I wish got a lot more attention than reality dictates. Such is the case for everyone. But that's a damned sight different than claiming that we didn't talk about Obama's past. Which people have been saying since he ran for the Presidency and still they are saying it, in column after column and in comment board after comment board and on radio show and television show etc. It's not Saturation, to the point, say, that it earned an acronym like "WMD" that even the most disinterested citizen knew by heart in 2003 (heh, that liberal media), but the material was and is out there in a major way.
But poor Obama was just a wee boy when Bill Ayres bounced him on his knee.
lol shilo as imitation is the sincerest form of flattery! :) All that work from a disgruntled con as I must have really struck a nerve! :-P
Althouse, some of your retarded sycophants/lemmings are damn pathetic, but you already knew that. :D
Please tell your conservative kindergarten class to drink their milk, eat their crackers and take a nap. :::zzzz:::
He believes it's time to vet the president. He really hasn't been vetted,...
BWA-HA-HA-HA!!!!!!
So says the guy who hasn't been vetted himself! And this is classic:
Very little will be off-limits, from the president's youthful drug habit, to his ties to disgraced Chicago politicians.
But don't you dare speak about Romney's cult!
I love it - let the hypocritical Mexican stand-off begin!
Nice to see that Crack will never swallow the Althouse kool-aid!
Just how pissed off are conservatives that mittens is their nominee? Rhetorical.
"the truth is, if Obama loses and Romney wins, I might have to actually get a job! "
The truth ! At long last, the truth !
Humerous
HA HA HA HA!
NYT poll has Obama at 36% favorable and 44% job approval
Someone mocks shithead shiloh and the jackass thinks it's because he struck a nerve.
Ciao, shithead. For the 5th or 6th time in just this thread. Oh, and take care, little butty.
As if Romney is innocent. He went after Gingrich so called ethics violations, which were not even mice-nuts.
“Newt Gingrich, who came to power, after all, preaching a higher standard in American politics, a man who brought down another speaker on ethics accusations, tonight he has on his own record the judgment of his peers, Democrat and Republican alike,” Brokaw said, adding details about the charges against Gingrich.
The ethics violation in question occurred after Gingrich taught a course at Kennesaw State College. While organizers claimed the course qualified for tax-exempt status, the House Ethics Committee ultimately decided the course was run to "help in achieving a partisan, political goal,” making it ineligible for tax exemption, according to PolitiFact.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/01/28/new-romney-ad-focuses-on-gingrichs-ethics-violation/
I say, appeal to the misleading press that makes these things possible, don't whine and cry when they come back to bite you in the ass.
shiloh,
Nice to see that Crack will never swallow the Althouse kool-aid!
Nope - I've even learned to embrace my "bigotry"!
Just how pissed off are conservatives that mittens is their nominee? Rhetorical.
Pretty fucking pissed - pissed enough to lose their minds to solipsism - it "works" this way:
Find someone, with almost identical weaknesses to your adversary, and declare him the ideal nominee for your side.
I say let's see those tax returns so we can know how much control Mitt's cult has over him:
I know how much Obama's holds,...
Hey Crack, hope you are using a condom.
I don't see an upside to Romney descending into the sewer where Obama currently resides.
What is fair game, I think: Fast and Furious. Dismal job growth and bad economy under Obama. Cronyism. Repeat ad infinitum.
Whether or not he was vetted? Well, that's water under the crumbling bridge, isn't it? It might be satisfying for some, but it's a big old Meh for me.
Obama is not a nice guy, AND NEVER HAS BEEN. He's been divisive since the day he stepped into the office and not simply because republicans don't like democrats. No, in fact, he has never even tried being a uniter.
HIs attitude has been "I won", and his idea pragrmatic compromisies is to distort what his opponents arguments are and then complain about how the republicans are trying to destroy the country.
Romney is stepping into the trap.
He will not win a shouting contest or a pissing contest with Obama. Obama has the biggest megaphone, and the media still favor him. He's familiar. He also has the mantle of the Presidency, despite his stellar efforts to tarnish it.
Mitt should go on the attack on policy grounds. Obama's record is terrible.
Pound the record. Keep pounding it.
Do not step into the trap.
Show an alternative. Keep showing it.
blagoh20:
That whine you hear is the Romney truth machine firing up. It's locked and loaded and this administration is a target rich environment. It's gonna be good fun.
Imagine a country with a trajectory of decline. Things are tough. The US military has made it easy to take away your job. The rich are getting richer and richer, but no one can do a damn thing about it. It doesn't matter if all democrats are elected or not, the private sector is smarter, more motivated, and knows how to make lemonade from lemons. And that includes in very bad ways, like Goldman Sachs has proven, yet is still in business, instead of all the workers out their digging ditches.
he productivity of future generations is already captured with the massive debt.
Now, you are screwed. The average household debt to the Federal Government is $198,607.14 and counting. The median household income is $31,000. In 2010, the federal government took as much money from Social Security as from Income taxes. And you are going to tell me truth has anything to do with it?
I admire the Tea Party, which wants to work its way out of this mess, tagged by the screwed up press as "Racist."
Hard work has lost. Ideals have lost, as Romney attack ads show. We are a nation without a path, without a core, and it's going to go down, and down, and down, as disgusting people capitalize on it. I don't know whether there is a bottom.
Don't look to Europe either. Europeans are dying off.
Find someone, with almost identical weaknesses to your adversary, and declare him the ideal nominee for your side.
If voters perceive Romney as "Obama, but somewhat better on economics", Romney wins.
Just an observation.
Dante,
Hard work has lost. Ideals have lost, as Romney attack ads show. We are a nation without a path, without a core, and it's going to go down, and down, and down, as disgusting people capitalize on it. I don't know whether there is a bottom.
Or, as Romney's Mormon-inspired con job DSHEA-protected supplement business shows, hard work was for suckers and there were never any ideals down that "path." We are a nation without a clue, trying to elect an idiot without a core, and it's going to go down, and down, and down, as those disgusting people tried to capitalize on it.
This is the bottom,...
shiloh said...
Obama must win. I have sexual fantasies about him that only work if he remains President.
Oh, Mr. President!
Guess that confirms what Fen said. bathtub swabbie was never in the Navy; nobody had to ask, his every act told.
Nice to see that Crack will never swallow the Althouse kool-aid!
Just how pissed off are conservatives that mittens is their nominee? Rhetorical.
And here we all thought he'd said, "Chow".
Conservatives seem to be in pretty good fettle over the Romster. He's saying all the right things, kicking Choom's scrawny ass.
Much better than all the Demos feel about Choom; who ever heard of bailing on your own convention?
Up to now.
PS Nice to see bathtub swabbie admitting he's a bigot.
edutcher,
Nice to see bathtub swabbie admitting he's a bigot.
And - when it comes to electing a cultist to office - proud of it!
[Bows, waves, accepts flowers,...]
And here we all thought he'd said, "Chow".
I don't think Crack has uttered a dishonest word since I've read what he has to say.
Frankly, I think Crack is a powerful man, out there thinking his own thoughts, making his own evaluations, and I admire it.
As a very STRONG atheist, I disagree with his anti-theist ideas, because I do see tremendous value to accepting the human condition for most people. Including myself, as I sense the warping power of fear in my mind. He seems immune, and power to him. I am glad Crack is back.
I'm mystified as to what a "cultist" would do that a "non-cultists" wouldn't, as President.
I'm guessing: something new-agey?
Crack, you're entitled to your views - I think you're wrong, but that's the First Amendment.
shiloh's a troll who has nothing to say and I cut him no slack.
You, I respect and believe we can agree to disagree. You may be right, but I can't see an alternative. Romney's got the nomination fair and square. I feel obliged to support him because I think his business background is what the country needs and four more years of Zero is nothing but disaster.
If you see it differently, that's your prerogative.
PS Dante, the "Chow" was for shiloh and his multiple exits.
I feel obliged to support him because I think his business background is what the country needs
But that's one thing Romney really doesn't want to talk about. Hence, the birther-esque pushback.
Dante
"I don't think Crack has uttered a dishonest word since I've read what he has to say.
Frankly, I think Crack is a powerful man, out there thinking his own thoughts, making his own evaluations, and I admire it."
Admire him all you want. He's definitely an independent thinker, but he lies just like everyone else to serve his own agenda. If you have the same agenda take him at his word, otherwise think for yourself.
Revenant said...
I'm mystified as to what a "cultist" would do that a "non-cultists" wouldn't, as President.
I'm guessing: something new-agey?
I doubt we'll ever see Romney's "Faireyfied" face adorning a T-shirt--unless it was a parody.
Ken doll action figures modelled on Romney might become popular on the cultish left--especially if they're soft plastic and can be stuck with pins.
Revenant,
I'm mystified as to what a "cultist" would do that a "non-cultists" wouldn't, as President.
I'm guessing: something new-agey?
That's the thing - you can't know.
You can't accept their word for anything - for instance, Romney got the cult's permission to back abortion even though it goes against Mormon doctrine, simply because the power-hungry snipes wanted him to win.
And when you follow as many cults as I do, and discover the extent their outlandish ideas take them, it's just easier to know how to spot them so you can shun them out of hand. Another for instance:
Remember Samantha Brick? The average-looking English chick who recently declared herself too beautiful to have female friends? Everybody immediately said she was nuts and thought nothing more of it. Until today, when she admitted she was once in the pedophile Sathya Sai Baba cult - now her delusional nature makes sense.
The same goes for Arianna Huffington, who is also prone to making outlandish, nonsensical, and hypocritical statements. That crazy bitch Obama supporter (who Ann is always trying to puff up as a feminist icon because - wait for it - she stirs things up!) was in the murderous Rajneesh cult. Mr. Adultery himself, Brad Pitt - who I've been following as a fruitcake for years - dabbled in Scientology. And so on.
See? I don't label everything a cult or cultist. But once you know them - and what to look for - they're so easy to spot you'd think they were wrapped in neon.
But you can never predict what they'll do - the outlines maybe - but, ultimately, no.
Except it'll somehow be bad.
Mitt Romney and the Mormons?
My guess is - if he doesn't implode before taking office - you can prepare yourself for an eventual constitutional crisis of such epic magnitude, that "spiritual" clusterfuck will make Watergate look like a 5-year old's day at DisneyWorld.
And - like Ann with Obama's "accomplishments" - you guys will know you rooted for it all-the-way,....
Dante gushed:
I don't think Crack has uttered a dishonest word since I've read what he has to say.
Frankly, I think Crack is a powerful man, out there thinking his own thoughts, making his own evaluations, and I admire it.
Sounds like pagan idolatry to me.
Glad to hear the Romney crew has smartened up about what they are up against, but I hope they don't sink to obama's level. They need to simply talk about what a lousey job obama has been doing the last 3-1/2 years and the ending writes itself. 'Won' and done
The Chicken Said
Dante gushed:
I don't think Crack has uttered a dishonest word since I've read what he has to say.
Frankly, I think Crack is a powerful man, out there thinking his own thoughts, making his own evaluations, and I admire it.
Sounds like pagan idolatry to me.
Yep, I like blogoh20 too. Men who speak their minds, you know, individuals, leaders. Both of them are.
OK, little chicken, put your head under your wing. We know you can't fly.
Dante
Yes bagoh20 and Crack are both leaders. It's obvious from their comments. Same with Romney and to a much less degree even Obama. You can be a leader and be wrong. The trick is to be able to detect bullshit even when a leader is shoveling it.
Another developing headache for Obama is that some retired Navy SEALs have found some donors to start a PAC that will run ads saying Obama took undue credit for "getting bin Laden". And after the raid, the SEAL PAC will claim Obama authorized his national security advisor to make a number of leaks to show Obama as the manly Commnder-in-Chief that compromised SEAL methods, compromised ongoing operations in Iran
Crack, please distingush between a religion and a cult.because I know you are also an atheist, so I presume that you find most religions to e peddling in tall tales and crazy thought. Why then would someone professing to believe in god who was a Christian not similarly be a member of a cult and similarly not fit to serve. Which would mean 90% of presidents would not be fit to serve.
Romney folks just found out that while Obama has attended over 100 fundraisers, in the last 6 months, he has not attended a single meeting of his own Jobs Advisory Council..
Oooop!
Can't wait until that becomes part of the campaign talks. Or when the days spent playing golf are added to the days spent fundraising tally.
The guy really is too busy to meet with the Jobs Council!
Can someone please tell me why this alone shouldn't get BO fired?
edutcher,
I feel obliged to support [Romney] because I think his business background is what the country needs and four more years of Zero is nothing but disaster.
If it's any consolation to you - if Barry wins - except for Roberts and ObamaCare, we've kept him boxed in, pretty well, for the last four years. We'll just have to re-double our efforts.
If Romney and the cult wins, they'll get free ride for a while, and that bothers me. You guys are so enamored with the "wholesome" put-on, you don't understand the danger we're in with these guys. They're relentless - and they don't give a damn about you. Be smart:
Join the chorus - made up of Democrats and Republicans - demanding to see more of Romney's taxes.
We've got nothing to lose by vetting the guy - for real.
It's all I've ever asked.
who sis,
Admire him all you want. He's definitely an independent thinker, but he lies just like everyone else to serve his own agenda.
Bullshit. Not how I roll. As far as I'm concerned, a man lives or dies by his word - and my "agenda," after traveling the world, is protecting my country.
If you have the same agenda take him at his word, otherwise think for yourself.
I encourage everyone to think for themselves, but THINK CRITICALLY, and accept evidence, that way - when the evidence contradicts - you can make changes when necessary.
No matter how badly I want Obama out of there, we've screwed the pooch by picking Romney to take him on - replacing one bad choice with something potentially much worse - and we're going to have to be smarter going forward.
Doubt me if you wish, but that's the truth as I see it, and you all have known - for years - that's where I have to stand,...
"My guess is - if he doesn't implode before taking office - you can prepare yourself for an eventual constitutional crisis of such epic magnitude, that "spiritual" clusterfuck will make Watergate look like a 5-year old's day at DisneyWorld.'
OK then, that's your prediction and your reputation will be tied to it, as it is really quite alarmist.
I think you're way off base, but we shall see.
Unless of course that prick Obama flim flams his way into a second term in which case we're totally boned and everything else is moot.
Crack
I'm sure you really believe that. That's where your absolute assurance that you're right comes in. It's not unlike a religion actually except it's not a supreme being it's yourself.
wyo sis sez:
Same with Romney [he is a leader)
I've always thought of Romney as a perfect follower of other people's ideas..
The President had a drug habit in his youth? Smoking? Heroin?
I've always thought of Romney as a perfect follower of other people's ideas..
Actually, I should amend this. Except for the dog on the roof of the car thing. That was an individual action, and I mean it when I say I have no problem with it. Except that 65Mph winds might be a bit much. We can overlook such common sense notions in our president, though.
jr565/
The difference between a religion and a cult? Ans: A couple million adherents..
The last time a "businessman" got into the Ovular Orifice, my portfolio lost 30% of its value in the first year and a half. Six years later I was almost out of the red and back in the black when the market crashed again and the value of my portfolio dropped by 50%.
After only two years in office a community organizer recouped most of my losses from Shock and Awe and now, after three and a half years, I've finally got a positive return on my investments. I'd like to see four more years of black numbers.
I'll consider turning the office over to another "businessman" right after I get an adequate explanation for what happened the last time a "businessman" was put in charge of the government. Until then I'll stick with the community organizer who appears to know the difference between red and black.
jr565,
Crack, please distingush between a religion and a cult.because I know you are also an atheist, so I presume that you find most religions to e peddling in tall tales and crazy thought. Why then would someone professing to believe in god who was a Christian not similarly be a member of a cult and similarly not fit to serve. Which would mean 90% of presidents would not be fit to serve.
As long as it doesn't become our usual spitting match, sure:
You're going by the Frank Zappa rule - that the difference between a religion and a cult is it's size - but the truth is cult's have defining characteristics, starting with a con man leader, a wacky belief system, something nonsensical they're selling, etc.
So as not to confuse the issue, let's get away from so-called religion-based cults, and look at cults based on quackery:
Here's my example surrounding the practice of Homeopathy.
And here's my example surrounding the practice of Reiki.
To answer the latter part of your question requires a clarification:
I am NOT anti-religion, per se, and definitely not a true bigot as I've been portrayed. I see religion as outdated, but I am a realist. I have Christian friends, Mormon friends - shit, one of my best friends is a college professor who teaches Buddhist thought. (He and I will talk for hours and, man, do we LAUGH!) My evidence is my past with everyone here, knowing I enthusiastically backed Sarah Palin and Rick Santorum for president.
Why?
Because, believers or not, though HOW they said something may have been couched in religious language, WHAT they said didn't conflict with reality. (Rick Santorum's later pronouncements in the campaign were found to have been sound, even though he was ridiculed - by others, not me - for speaking as a Catholic.) Keeping reality in check was enough for me, knowing how religious my country is, and it's all I - as an atheist - ask in return. Long story-short:
Being religious, in my view, doesn't disqualify anyone for office - being crazy does.
And Mitt Romney - with his "Jesus will rule from Missouri" bullshit - is most-definitely crazy.
Good enough?
Mitt is going to go on the warpath? I also will believe it when I see it. But Obama is SO nasty, perhaps even the stupid GOP candidate can figure it out now....
Like it's always been; the Republicans are the Stupid Party. The Democrats are the Evil Party.
Yes, I think we have examples from Chicago as to what happens when a white opponent digs in his heels and goes tit for tat. The surrogates charge racism. In this case, the entire lamestream media will be there to back up team Obama on the racism charges. Tingles Matthews is already there.
But wait a minute. Polls show that the American people are fed up with media lies and distortions.
So this will be interesting.
This link to Buzzfeed is so great, interesting source for you Ann. Obviously some you actually read it cuz the comments over there are so whack. Obama has been vetted, we have been here before. Rmoney really doesnt have anything else, so he's digging himself deeper in the trench where McCain lost. It wont work.
wyo sis,
Crack
I'm sure you really believe that. That's where your absolute assurance that you're right comes in. It's not unlike a religion actually except it's not a supreme being it's yourself.
Oh, stop it. Rush Limbaugh has made the point, many times, that if there's one thing people in this NewAge, "be humble," everybody-gets-a-trophy, feminist culture can't handle, it's a man who's sure of himself, because we put the lie to everything you've been taught:
That some people are smarter, or better, without it automatically meaning we think we're more-than. That reality exists, and can be known. That there's ways to think that you haven't grasped yet.
This you've-replaced-God-with-yourself BS (along with the charge I - an anti-cultist - want to start a cult of my own) is a perfect example of such a slow-witted approach to me it boggles my mind. Don't you hear ANYTHING I'm saying?
All I know I'm right about, in the context of this thread, is Mormonism is a dangerous cult to our country. It's based on a very sick con man's "teachings" - you can't argue that. It practices multiple cons - most of which you have no clue about. It has been our enemy for over a century - thas historical fact, on many fronts, and with lots of blood spilled and lies told. And it looks down on the rest of us behind closed doors - a fact they'll keep hidden as much as possible, though you can clearly hear it in their pronouncements, if you know how to listen. That's it - that's what I know. Not "believe" but KNOW.
One more thing:
When I was very young, I told a lie to my foster mother and her dear friend to cover up something I had done. It was eventually discovered after her friend spent a lot of money unnecessarily. I felt like shit - mostly because they didn't punish me but let me stew in my shame. That lesson scarred me - just as cultism has - and I have never seen a reason in ever repeating that scenario again. Today, liars confound me, when I don't automatically see them as profoundly stupid.
I'm not like everyone else - I know that.
I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't make the mistake again,...
you can prepare yourself for an eventual constitutional crisis of such epic magnitude, that "spiritual" clusterfuck will make Watergate look like a 5-year old's day at DisneyWorld.
Yawn.
Phil, too many of those unemployed believe they'll get more benefits out of Obama. How many employed people vote based on the unemploy. rate? If we're in a recession now, it isn't contracting as badly as 2008-9, so people aren't as insecure (until they realize the govt will go broke soon).
Crack
Yeah. Got it. My mistake. Of course I couldn't possibly understand your level of enlightenment.
The last time a "businessman" got into the Ovular Orifice, my portfolio lost 30% of its value in the first year and a half.
Blaming Bush for the dot-com bubble bursting is a little childish, don't you think?
Six years later I was almost out of the red and back in the black when the market crashed again and the value of my portfolio dropped by 50%
You are claiming that your portfolio lost more than half its value when Bush was in office. If true, your investments substantially underperformed the market -- the DJIA bottomed out, post-housing crash, at 37% down from what it was when Bush took office.
Also, if by "out of the red" you mean "back at or above the value when Bush took office", the DJIA was "out of the red" in 2004. If it took you until 2008 you were making bad investments.
Obama is most emphatically NOT a nice person, and I cringed when McCain said it in 2008, and, almost 4 years later, Romney said it again. Obama is vain, narcissistic and a borderline sociopath who lies just as easily and with as much conviction as normal people tell the truth.
wyo sis,
Crack
Yeah. Got it. My mistake. Of course I couldn't possibly understand your level of enlightenment.
I think it's sad, that snark is all you have, when you're faced with someone addressing you honestly and directly. I'm sorry you're so scarred you can't tell the difference, and see everyone as out to scam you - or as self-aggrandizing - even when you've known of me as long as you've been here. Ask yourself:
When have I lied to you?
And what have I gotten, from my stance, but being made into a pin cushion by the likes of you?
Am I "enlightened"? Nope - and never claimed to be. Not looking for "followers" either.
I am a conservative realist and an atheist cult critic - nothing more.
YOU are selling out your humanity,...
Question for yawning Revenant:
It has been shown that Romney does indeed get his marching orders from Salt Lake City - I provided a link above. What do you see as the result if, after Romney wins, it's discovered this is still the case?
"Men who speak their minds, you know, individuals, leaders."
I admire them too. Not if they are paranoid, delusional monomaniacs though. Wearing someone down with repetition is hardly as admirable is convincing them with undispitable crystal-clear logic and facts.
Unknown,
I admire them too. Not if they are paranoid, delusional monomaniacs though. Wearing someone down with repetition is hardly as admirable is convincing them with undispitable crystal-clear logic and facts.
If that statement is regarding me, I'm here to address it, if you'll clarify how it pertains to the positions I've stated.
Yeah, it's about you. It's evident you suffer from monomania.
Do you realize the sheer illogic of your position?
Romney is going to induce a "Constitutional crisis" to pursue the agenda supported by a tiny minority of the population?
Nucking futz.
Being religious, in my view, doesn't disqualify anyone for office - being crazy does.
right, but you're arguing that it's a Mormons beliefs themselves that make them crazy. One could make the argument that some of Christians beliefs would make THEM crazy (or Jews, or Muslims).
I certainly don't agree with Mormonism as a belief system, but Romney doesn't strike me as crazy.he strikes me more as a square. Because what one believes as the source of life and existence, can't be proven by me or you anyway, it largely dowsnt matter to me, but most people can get by and be functional at the same time anyway. What kind of mormon is he? A guy trying to spread Mormonism all around the country and get everyone to be a Mormon on pain of imprisonment or is out there pushing polygamy? Not in my mind. Democrats can't even really make the argument that he's an extremist as a conservative, since he's such a moderate. You can hate him for that, but not based on some trai he's never exhibited in all the time he's been in the public eye.
Romney has run companies ran the olympics and run a state, and his Mormonism never got in the way, nor did he veer into some crazy cultism during all of that time. There's no crazy there.
As for cults, I can certainly see some of your points. In many cases, cults actively brainwash people in unhealthy ways. But some of what you say is cultish, strikes me as largely benign. Like meditation and yoga. Some people could use a bit of meditation frankly (try t you might like it) and much of it is simply a means to self actualitize and focus. The worst that can be argued is that you waste your time and money on something that doesn't work. But I don't see many people who are into yoga somehow telling other people taking yoga to drink kool aid laced with poison.
Take a Tom cruise. Now, I do think that dianetics is in fact a cult,but I'll also argue that he's focused his life in such a way that he's become one of the most successful people in the world. Not at marriage for sure, but in his career. So maybe some of what scientologists teaches is actually positive. I still wouldn't beome a scientologist, but if I were making a movie and I could afford him, I might hire him.
Now, you take a jimmy jones or david koresh scenario, and there you have a more destructive cult that leads to people's deaths. But what do I care if scientologists think they are aliensas long as they aren't trying to force me to their belief system . It's certainly stupid, but is largely their own choice. So long as they don't make me drink the kool aid, I could care less what they personally think. Hell, I think a lot of Darwinism is just as crazy.
Long story short. Romney may be part of a religion that is kooky, but that doesn't mean he's a nut. Judge him by his actions, not by some notion of what you think Mormonism represents.
It's clearly impenetrable. I just don't happen to buy into it. But you are entertaining, and absolutely convinced of your position and that has a charm of it's own.
I just watched that entire 20 minute video, and if what Crack got out of that is "scary cultist guy" - well, what I said above times 10.
@ Rose lol
@ bagoh20 Even if he loses the election, Romney's competent at what he does; and, if Romney wants to give him the unvarnished review rock and roll, well, this ought to be fun. Obama may be sorry he wasn't previously unemployed by the end of it.
@ whoever. Yeah, the SEALS can put a tread mark on him; should if it's true.
Crack, the problem with your anti-Mormon jihad is that, relative to all else going on with the world, you are distracting yourself from things that really matter.
Is the "New Age" thing a load of shit?
Sure; even, if not most especially, the atheistic parts.
Is "cultism" a problem?
No doubt. I know people affected by Jim Jones and the People's Temple. These are people for whom the expression "drank the Kool-ade" is no joke, but a reminder of someone close to them who died.
Are there cults masquerading as religions?
Sure; just ask any former Scientologist.
Is it fair, even from the perspective of a non-believer, to label all religions cults?
No, unless one is an extremist - but then, that can surely become its own cult, can’t it?
Are there elements of Mormonism that indicate it's a cult?
From certain perspectives, especially from those of a non-believer, quite possibly so.
Are these cult-like aspects indications of something more dangerous than other, more common religions? Even those most hostile to Mormonism would be hard-pressed to make that case.
You haven't.
In fact, if one flips the question around, and asks, "gee, which is the most benign cult of all...?," I'm guessing many who view Mormonism as a cult would nominate it over any other (certainly many other) suspected cults.
But here are the real problems your jihad presents:
1) Your "boy who cried wolf" stance toward Mormonism, given everything we know and can see about Mormonism, trivializes the threats posed, and damages done, by more pernicious cults, e.g., Scientology, to take just one example.
2) The unproven but oft-repeated assumption that somehow, despite a lack of evidence beyond a link to your own blog, that Romney is just a puppet (just like Reid is a puppet?), of the hidden Mormon power cabal is a rank conspiracy theory that can never be disproven.
3) The notion that the unproven, here-to-fore baseless fears of Romney’s Mormonism, is somehow a greater threat to the nation's future than the ongoing damages resulting from the incumbent is just risible. Unless you think Mormon underwear *really* does have superpowers.
It demonstrates that your thinking is clouded by ghosts of unrealized fears while, before your very eyes, the nation's house blazes in a conflagration of unsustainable debt fueled by high-grade narcissism in the hands of an affirmative action amateur.
So, you will excuse me for disregarding your rants. They are not serious.
Glad to see Mitt going bare knuckle. McCain was an ultra pussy in 2008.
Unknown said,
"I admire them too. Not if they are paranoid, delusional monomaniacs though. Wearing someone down with repetition is hardly as admirable is convincing them with undispitable crystal-clear logic and facts."
Crack said:
"If that statement is regarding me, I'm here to address it, if you'll clarify how it pertains to the positions I've stated."
Let me break it down for you Crack. He is calling you mono-maniacal on the Mormon thing because you are so repetitious in your charges. You are not persuading us with logic, you just keep hammering on the same charge which is way past boring. You are not persuasive so you turn people off and destroy your credibility.
Who are we going to believe, you or our lying eyes? We've known plenty of Mormons, they are great people, a cut above most of the people in this country. They are hard workers with great families and values.
In terms of character and religion between Obama and Mitt, Mitt is far preferable. Obama went to church for two decades where the preacher in the pulpit was virulently racist against whites and anti-American. The Mormons love America and don't seem to be any more racist than the average American.
There are two guys running for prez. One is a lying lefty dumb ass who has been ruining the country for four years. Romney is the other guy. The country will be much better off if Romney is elected. It is extremely counter productive for a conservative to be attacking Romney on religious grounds at this point in the election cycle.
Barack Obama - put leftists into the federal government to pursue a statist agenda (see DoJ, EPA, HHS, etc.)
Mitt Romney - will put his million strong army of Mormon bureaucrats to pursue a Mormon agenda.
As Taranto says, HA HA HA HA HA HA.
You can't make this shit up.
Also, if you want to talk about Cults, there is something very Cult of personality in how Obama was elected, and the degree to which the dems fawn all over him. I had a visceral reaction to obama's pitch which struck me as faux cultish with him as the messiah who will solve the worlds problems (hell even the water levels will go down, we are the ones we have even waiting for, yes we can etc). I don't think that obamanism is actually a cult, but it was certainly pitched in a way that a cult leader would, and the media certainly covered up his faults to push his agenda.
You really. Et the sense that a lot of dems really drank the kool aid after Obama was elected. You're not going to see conservatives weeping and singing kumbaya, as if electing Romney will bring about a utopia. No, it will simply bring about a lessening of the misery.
I never get that impression from Romney, thathe somehow views himself as a savior of sorts and is candidacy has not been pitched that way at all.
jr565,
You're arguing that it's a Mormons beliefs in themselves that make them crazy. One could make the argument that some of Christians beliefs would make THEM crazy (or Jews, or Muslims).
No - you're ignoring what I wrote about Palin and Santorum.
I certainly don't agree with Mormonism as a belief system, but Romney doesn't strike meas crazy.he strikes me more as a square. Because what one believes as the source of life and existence, can't be proven by me or you anyway, but most people can get by and be functional at the same time.
A square who - as a Mormon bishop - has baptized others, after death, against their wishes. Who has run a bogus supplement company and allowed his Mormon brethren (Orrin Hatch) to skew the laws so no one can interfere. Whose church lied to the people of SLC to snatch the best land downtown - claiming to build a park - and then plopped their biggest temple on top of it (again, with the "help" of Senator Hatch) where they now declare everyone else is unfit and chase them away at will.
Mitt Romney is part-and-parcel of all that - he condones all of it, and more, daring anyone to call him on it. Why no one will is a mystery. Is that "wholesome" behavior?
Romney has run companies ran the olympics and run a state, and his Mormonism never got in the way, nor did he veer into some crazy cultism during all of that time. There's no crazy there.
His company (Bain) was his - and run by fellow Mormons. The Olympics were plagued by a bribery and doping scandal (supplements again) but that doesn't fit the "successful" narrative so - again - nobody brings it up. His state is broke, specifically, because of RomneyCare. He got "permission" from his "church" to flip-flop on abortion while governor.
You're seeing what you want to see - AKA the media narrative.
As for cults, I can certainly see some of your points. In many cases, cults actively brainwash people in unhealthy ways. But some of what you say is cultish, strikes me as largely benign. Like meditation and yoga. Some people could use a bit of meditation frankly (try t you might like it) and much of it is simply a means to self actualitize and focus.
Sigh. This gets old. There are "open" cults and "closed" cults - and they have different techniques based on their orientation. Meditation and yoga are the two prime tools used by cults to fish for new recruits. I ask you:
If the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi was a fraud, how can his technique be real? And, if yoga is a 5,000 year old spiritual practice for (as you put it) "self actualization" - a nonsense term - why is it now fraudulently marketed as "exercise" today?
Again - you're buying a media narrative and not looking at the (rarely discussed) facts.
Cont'd.
Take a Tom cruise. Now, I do think that diabetics is in fact a cult,ll also argue that he's focused his life in such a way that he's become one of the most successful people in the world. Not at marriage for sure, but in his career. So maybe some of that cultish belies wereactually positive. I still wouldn't beome a scientologist, but if I were making a movie and I could afford him, I might hire him.
Another media narrative - I'd wonder about this propensity for swallowing kool-aid if I were you. I'll pass on mentioning the similarities between the "cult" of Scientology and the "religion" of Mormonism, though I consider it low-hanging fruit, and merely point out Tom Cruise wouldn't be where he is without Scientology's "Project Celebrity". You'd do well to read about director Paul Haggis instead.
Now, you take a jimmy jones scenario, and there you have a more destructive cult that leads to people's deaths. But what do I care if scientologists think they are aliens . It's certainly stupid, but is largely their own choice. So long as they don't make me drink the kool aid, I could care less what they personally think. Hell, I think a lot of Darwinism is just as crazy.
Fine - think that way. (Anti-cultists call you a "shruggie") But remember, you're allowing this to keep happening all around you. And please take notice of the others in the piece:
The names,…n San Francisco, it was [former mayor] Willie Brown, gay icon Harvey Milk and then-Mayor George Moscone, who named Jones to the Housing Authority. In Oakland,…former mayor and…Attorney General [now california Governor] Jerry Brown, Mayor Ron Dellums and U.S. Rep. Barbara Lee. There were plenty of others,….
Sending sheep to the slaughter with their inaction - and political manipulations.
Long story short. Romney may be part of a religion that is kooky, but that doesn't mean he's a nut. Judge him by his actions, not by some notion of what you think Mormonism represents.
What part of the word "evidence" do you confuse with me having "notions" about anything? If you can disprove anything I'm saying, do so. But, if not, then accept you're ignorant of the subject matter and please quit wasting my time.
I am not a "believer."
Obamanism was a temporarily successful attempt to create a personality cult. The fact that it used every single trapping of the New Age (the Lightbringer shit, the Deepak Chopra "a new step in human evolution", etc.) while Romney runs as a competent manager oughta tell pretty much everything you need to know in this situation. As they run, so they govern.
If the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi was a fraud, how can his technique be real? And, if yoga is a 5,000 year old spiritual practice for (as you put it) "self actualization" - a nonsense term - why is it now fraudulently marketed as "exercise" today?
because you can be a fraud as a spiritualist but that doesn't mean that everything you preach is in act fraudulent. yoga works as excercise today, because it's good excercise, as is tai chi, which I'm sure you also view with the same degree of fear.
The vast of majority of people taking yoga could get all the benefit from the physical side and not believe one whit about the spiritual aspect. All the martial arts have some of that same spiritual mumbo jumbo, but you also learn how to fight, and how to discipline yourself (self actualization) and even, with some of that mediitation, how to clear your minds of tension.
If jack lallane did his workouts and talked about god while body building, I might ignore all he had to say about god, but if he knows how to do a squat and is the best teacher on how to do squats, and im trying to learn how to do a squat, then he is the go to source.
"If the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi was a fraud, how can his technique be real?"
I'll explain it to you, not that it'll do you any good.
MMY was a "fraud" in the sense that he branded a preexisting system making false claims.
Mantra Meditation - a relaxation technique, basically - existed before him, he took the idea, claimed only certain mantras were effective - each individually administered at a TM Center for big bucks and built a cult.
He's a fraud in the sense suckering people to pay for something that's essentially free. Not in the sense that the technique has zero value.
Unknown,
Yeah, it's about you. It's evident you suffer from monomania.
Evidence - not accusations, man, but evidence.
Do you realize the sheer illogic of your position?
No - cults are illogical, I merely state what they do. Do not confuse the two.
Romney is going to induce a "Constitutional crisis" to pursue the agenda supported by a tiny minority of the population?
Jesus, man, if you're ignorant of Mormons - and how they operate - then why do any of you doubt others who do? The Mormon Church has a long history and a record in politics (they own every branch of government in Utah - I repeat - every branch) so "political questions that arise directly from their membership," as Christopher Hitchens pointed out, are not just valid but are to be investigated and considered with the same intensity as any other form of subversion. Mitt Romney - the flip-flopper - has never proven himself above lying.
I will not trust him now.
Again - if you can prove me wrong (anywhere on anything I'm saying) then do so.
Otherwise, accept you're a gullible fool and stop calling me out for the sake of your ignorance.
What part of the word "evidence" do you confuse with me having "notions" about anything? If you can disprove anything I'm saying, do so. But, if not, then accept you're ignorant of the subject matter and please quit wasting my time.
what have you proven by way of Romney? Nothing you've argued applies to Romney at all. Where I can show EVIDENCE of how he's run companies and govt and not been this cazy cultish figure you keep making scare stories up about.
The worst you've come up with is that he opened a vitamin company. And considering GNC is operating down the street, and I've even bought vitamins from there, I don't really find anything remotely sinister about it. And you're going to lay the olympics juicing scandal on Romney, and not on the athletes that took the steroids. Vitamin stores do not sell steroids, and he was not pushing steroids to athletes.That is beyond lame.
See again, I'm with you on some cults. They are dangerous. But calling everything an extension of the same cult, does not turn apples into oranges.
"Evidence - not accusations, man, but evidence."
As my man TJ said - I hold these truths to be self-evident.
"Jesus, man, if you're ignorant of Mormons - and how they operate - then why do any of you doubt others who do? The Mormon Church has a long history and a record in politics (they own every branch of government in Utah - I repeat - every branch) so "political questions that arise directly from their membership," as Christopher Hitchens pointed out, are not just valid but are to be investigated and considered with the same intensity as any other form of subversion. Mitt Romney - the flip-flopper - has never proven himself above lying."
C'mon, subversion - if I hear Romney say something like "coffee prices will necessarily skyrocket" I'll start to worry.
Again, which part of "Mormons are a majority in Utah but a tiny minority in the US and will remain so for the next decade" do you not get?
I'm a direct patrilineal descendant of an early leader of the The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and, though I've never been in a Mormon temple in my life, I shall soon call down the Spirits of my great Ancestors to smite one Crack Emcee for being a repetitive, tiresome bore.
You are claiming that your portfolio lost more than half its value when Bush was in office.
No, I'm claiming that my portfolio lost nearly half its value twice in the eight years Bush was in office. I don't blame Bush for the tech bubble. That was anticipated while he was still running against Gore. The real estate fiasco clearly came on the Bush watch. I made two lump sum investments, one in 1999, the other in 2005, and also dollar cost averaged steadily for the past dozen years, so nearly half of the total invested took advantage of market bottom prices. Until the end of 2010 those investments would have done better stuffed in a mattress.
Look at where the Dow and the Nasdaq stood on the day Obama took office. Compare those averages to where they stand now. I've gotten so much better at investing in the past three and a half years.
You're seeing what you want to see - AKA the media narrative.
and you're seeing what you want, the crack emcee new age narrative.
Unknown,
Obamanism was a temporarily successful attempt to create a personality cult. The fact that it used every single trapping of the New Age (the Lightbringer shit, the Deepak Chopra "a new step in human evolution", etc.) while Romney runs as a competent manager oughta tell pretty much everything you need to know in this situation. As they run, so they govern.
Oh bullshit - two different cults, two different approaches.
What's the same is neither one being taken seriously when it matters. And apologists, like you, making sure that never happens.
O.K., I'm done. I've got better things to do than waste my time with you guys. I thought you wanted to talk but, instead, you just want to go on ignoring evidence for your dumb, evidence-and-link-free assertions, both in defense of cultism and to attack my integrity. Sorry but I've seen this film before. I provide the links and explanations - which you ignore (as jr565 ignored my words about Palin and Santorum) to write paragraph after paragraph of nonsense - all so you act as cover for groups and a phenomena you clearly don't understand.
You can have it.
Laterz.
No matter how badly I want Obama out of there, we've screwed the pooch by picking Romney to take him on - replacing one bad choice with something potentially much worse - and we're going to have to be smarter going forward.
the fact that you think Romney is potentially worse than obama, makes me think you are suffering from an extreme case of narrative FAIL and that your cutting off your nose to spite your face. And that you can't see the forest for the trees, and that you're barking up the wrong tree. And that you're on metaphorical crack. And existing on a different reality, (and not necessarily in a good way)
, etc ad infinitum.
Frankly, I see you on the same side as garage mahal at this point, and I don't see how you are not acting towards the same purpose - namely getting Obama re elected.
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