"She was in my office one day, and I made a gesture saying -- and I was standing close to her -- and I made a gesture saying you are the same height as my wife. And I brought my hand up to my chin saying, 'My wife comes up to my chin.'" At that point, Cain gestured with his flattened palm near his chin. "And that was put in there [the complaint] as something that made her uncomfortable," Cain said, "something that was in the sexual harassment charge."Supposedly, the woman and her lawyer asked for a "huge" settlement, but she got very little, just enough to induce her to terminate the lawsuit.
Rush Limbaugh's reaction today:
Now, we don't have any evidence of ice packs on a busted lip as we had with Juanita Broaddrick and Bill Clinton. Yeah, Bill Clinton and Juanita Broaddrick, "Hey babe, you better put some ice on that, you're bleeding at the lip." We don't have any of that. This story appears to me to be a close relative of the hit job that the Washington Post is doing on Marco Rubio. It's not a news story. This is gutter partisan politics, and it's the politics of minority conservative personal destruction, is what you've got here. Rubio and Cain unfit to lead, don't you see. We cannot have a black Republican running for the office of president. We can't have one elected. We can't have an Hispanic.
The left owns those two groups, and those two groups are gonna forever be minorities. Those groups cannot ever be seen to be self-sufficient or rising above, on their own. Those two groups are owned -- lock, stock, and barrel -- by the Democrat Party and anything good that happens to any black or Hispanic in American politics can only happen via the Democrat Party....
This is how the mainstream media keeps the Republican Party in check: They're scared to death of this kind of thing happening to them. Pure and simple. It's also why (I'm just predicting) you're not going to see too many people in the official Republican establishment rise up to Herman Cain's defense. You know, if this exact circumstance (as I just mentioned) had happened in a conservative publication, not only would the Democrats and the media be going after the women -- as James Carville did and others during the Clinton years -- they'd be going after the reporters. They'd be going after the publication. Anybody who had anything to do with the story, it would be search-and-destroy. Our side will not do that.
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In the modern remake of "Absence of Malice," Sally Field wouldn't feel guilty.
I won't automatically give Cain a pass just because he is a Black Republican. We'll see if there is more to the story. But Rush is right. Try to find anything on Clinton's rape of Juanity Broaddrick. There is zero doubt in my mind that Bill Clinton is a Rapist-American.
It is interesting to read about the attitudes and expectations powerful males had towards women in places like Arkansas in the mid 1970s.
Steve Sailer said it bluntly today, too.
What are these effing Democrats doing? They don't remember the standard they set with Bill Clinton?
What happened to one free grope?
This is how the mainstream media keeps the Republican Party in check: They're scared to death of this kind of thing happening to them.
The mainstream media uses this tactic far too often. I'm unfazed by these stories now, and my knee-jerk reaction is to defend the people they try to defame. And ridicule the story.
Look at the Cain scandal: a sexual harassment claim from the 90's. When sensitivity training was the vogue and making false claims was an easy way to make a few bucks.
Please!
"At that point, Cain gestured with his flattened palm near his chin."
Ha! That's the exact thing i do when I describe garage's bullshit level. Well, at least when he's a quart short.
We're supposed to be all sick about the horrible state of public discourse, well stories like this are what we should be sick about.
If they don't have a dead body, I don't want to hear about it.
I hope his memory serves him correctly--that he did make the gesture under his chin instead of above his waist.
Also, Rush is race baiting and I find that deplorable. The Politico and Washington Post hit pieces are not because either candidate is a minority but because they're popular conservatives, nothing more. Perry got the same treatment when he was surging. I hope the right doesn't devolve into cynical race baiting the way the left invariably does.
Sexual harrassers don't do it just once. There is always a pattern. If no other credible acusations come forward, I will give Cain a pass on this. If he has a problem with touchy feely, we'll know soon.
Generally there isn't a gray area. You do that stuff or you don't.
"Madison liberals, [such exhausting people!], force me to report the best possible spin available on any given day on given story involving a Republican in trouble. In this case, the spin comes directly from Greta Van Susteren on Fox News, and Rush Limbaugh!"
The problem with sexual harrassment is it's been dumbed down from 'fuck me or lose your job' to 'That's a nice dress Ms. Drysdale.'
Politico reported events, not insinuations. Settlements were made. No candidate, male or female, Dem or Repub, would get a pass on something as verifiable as this in the 21st Century.
I won't automatically give Cain a pass just because he is a Black Republican.
Why would someone give anyone a "pass" for anything?
crony moralism?
BOO!
Someone, on Hot Air I think, said the conditions are such to make seasoned lawsuit watchers think the whole thing is just the slime machine cranking up.
More interesting is Rush's point, especially since Willie had a history of biting the women he assaulted on the lip.
Witness Elizabeth Ward Gracen.
Nuisance lawsuit settled by the employer, most likely.
If we have a bimbo eruption I will start to pay attention. Usually these are not isolated incidents.
Remember--black conservatives must be destroyed, not merely defeated.
Whatever it takes, right? Not over until WE win.
Looking at my French Hand Gestures index, the chin thing is meant to be mildly offensive.
edu...I just did a quick internet search to see what stories are out there about it (just to be safe, get around left wing and right wing filters).
As of right now, it appears there is nothing to this. He made some off the cuff remark to a lady working on his floor about the height of his wife. She sued, or demanded a large sum of money. Employer said "no, but how about if you just leave, we'll give you 3months of salary as a severence." Lady said "I'll take it".
Why was he talking about her height? Seems odd without the full context and also a dumb thing to say.
David, I say the same thing as you. A sexual harrasser does it all the time, or not at all. If we suddenly get a pattern, I will be the first to throw him under the bus.
If not, then assume he is telling the truth about this non-incidence.
This is one of the reasons (many reasons) I believed Clarence Thomas.
I am also listening to the network news spinning this story - including Fox - as regards Cain's "evolving" story.
However, in the first clip he says he did not know about any settlement, and in the second I am certain I heard him say, "He said ...," i.e., In the meantime Cain had called someone at the restaurant association and asked what happened. I also think I remember from earlier that it was stated that this "settlement" with the accuser was made after Cain left the association, which makes it quite reasonable that he did not know what they finally wound up doing about it, but just assumed that since he had not heard anything, it had gone away.
This may be a slow newsday, but really, our news media are not making themselves proud with this.
"She was in my office one day, dressed for uptown like, and I made a gesture saying --and yes I was standing close to the ho -- and I made a gesture to her tits and ass, and said you look about like my wife, sistah, though with a much finer booty--yass".
Saw one of the Politico writers on a morning program. It seemed to me that they definitely have more and are sitting on it depending on what Cain does. They gave him ten days to respond before printing the story so they are going pretty easy on him at the moment.
Also, Rush is race baiting and I find that deplorable. The Politico and Washington Post hit pieces are not because either candidate is a minority but because they're popular conservatives, nothing more. Perry got the same treatment when he was surging. I hope the right doesn't devolve into cynical race baiting the way the left invariably does.
Your comment is almost self-canceling. Of course, Rubio and Cain are getting the "treatment" because of their race. The Democratic party cannot stand to lose even one percentage point of the minority vote. They'd lose every election outside of San Francisco.
And even the attack on Perry was based on race. He's a racist, you know. It's all aimed at conservatives and it's all based on race. It's transparent -- one of the few things in government that qualifies for that adjective.
I wonder how long Politico has been sitting on this?
Politico better put up or shut up. They fielded this story so they better pony up who is making these claims, otherwise it's nothing but a smear hit piece and a poorly calculated one at that. If this is the best that the Romney camp or the DNC has to offer, then they really failed. I'm tired of these anonymous claims against peoples reputations. It clearly wasn't a criminal act, so therefore it was civil and if Cain is claiming that it was a hand to his chin to show height and the offended party is looking for deep pockets. I would tell Cain's lawyers to put this woman on parade and tell her story and let the public decide. There is nothing there.
Hotair does a good job of this story. Althouse as usual goes for Rush Limbaugh (yeah, the intellectual!) who of course is screaming 'Clinton did worse, worse.'
http://nation.foxnews.com/herman-cain/2011/10/31/politico-national-restaurant-association-contradicts-cain-claim
Strange, why would the National Restaurant Association's version of the story not match up with Cains's?
I read the WaPo thing about Rubio. They say his parents first came to the U.S. before the Revolution. Rubio had been saying they came here after. What's the big deal? How is this a hit?
I don't see any reason to believe this is a Democrat hit offhand:
Democrats would have had the docs unsealed as they did with Jack Ryan.
Democrats wouldn’t have wasted this shot this early in the campaign. Now they're just inconveniencing one of a herd of primary candidates, instead of the nominee.
Gingrich doesn’t benefit; these are NOT the kind of issues he wants discussed when he’s busy rehabilitating himself as Mr. Brainiac the Ideas Guy.
Perry could plausibly assume he would pick up any alienated Cain voters before Romney would. So to that extent, the ploy might appeal. Also, the Perries have been tough-talking their resurgent campaign.
Romney has no reason to put those Cain voters back in play since they split the anyone-but-Romney vote that constitutes 70% of the GOP base. So to that extent, the ploy does not appeal. BUT, as a short term attack predicated on avoiding any embarrassing setbacks in the early primaries, it might still be attractive. Also, the lightning response from an extremely conservative women's conservative Christian group based in DC hints at a GOP insider's game, particularly since that group has no previous record of attacking other pols for their morals. Also, they are an unlikely choice for Politico to hook up with.
Paul might do it out of malicious stupidity, but neither he, Bachmann, or Santorum, let alone Johnson and Huntsman, have enough base left to pick up enough to make difference.
Mitochondri, you might want to read the stories you link to.
Here's what's actually at that link:
Herman Cain said in his speech today that the National Restaurant Association’s general counsel and the human resources department conducted an investigation into allegations about his conduct in the late-90s.
But the head of the association’s human resources department at the time said in an interview with POLITICO last week that she was unfamiliar with any complaints from female employees about Cain.
“No, I do not,” said Mary Ose, the former human resources chief, when asked if she was aware of allegations about Cain’s behavior.
The media is finding out that they can't get away with the stuff they used to get away with all of the time. They are getting a LOT of push back in their comments on things like the Rubio, Perry and Koch hit pieces. They are pulling out all of the stops... even using a claim in a headline that was never mentioned in the article for the Koch hit piece. I always make sure I mention some story they buried about Obama (like marching with the black supremacist group in the last election) so that it is at least a little painful for them to pull this stuff.
I got a huge kick out of one of the articles about Cain mentioning something about an unwanted sexual advance. Well just how the hell are you supposed to know if it is unwanted until you make it? I am sure there is some nuance missing here but usually when the language is that screwed up the concept behind it is not much better.
What I imagine sometimes is one of those round tables where you get lawyers, judges, politicians and businessmen together and they try to figure out a way for a man or woman to start up a relationship on the job (that place where we are required to be 8-12 hours a day) without subjecting themselves or their company to a law suit.
The parsing and dangling of participles would be a sight to behold.
Put some ice on that lip. Yep. That was our first black President's recommendation.
FEH! Cain should have had a glass wall ... so people could look IN.
Mentioning, while talking about business, that "you remind me of my wife's height" ... sounds like a stretch and a half.
She sued. And, she got enough money to pay off her lawyer.
This isn't rocket science.
TRUMAN WOULDN'T LET A FEMALE WALK INTO HIS OFFICE! Plus, he ALWAYS kept his office door open when there was a woman inside! (How come Truman knew more about gossip and office politics than you do?)
Also, Truman at some point, put a piano in his office. When women were inside ... he was at the piano, playing the keys! LOUD.
Harder to complain that a man is feeling under your skirt while music is being made by the piano. It doesn't "play" itself.
Cain? If you think he can win good luck to ya.
Hope you pick stocks better than you pick candidates, though.
Gee, suddenly, without warning, character is critical to political office.
I wonder when the libs started subscribing to that idea.
Yes, ma'am, Ms. M-A: So, nobody heard anything about what Politico claimed in the first place -- is that right?
Oh, yeah. Like people can forget Monica! And, how the republicans salivated at trying to remove him from office!
Of course, then the stupid party picked Bob Dole to be the 1996 nominee
And, now, just to put a cherry on top, everyone forgot why Newt got kicked out of the Speaker's Office.
What is this all about? Ghostwriters?
How come republicans don't seem to know that sex happens at the office?
Back in the 1940's and 1950's, my dad said a man wouldn't let his wife work as a secretary. Because she'd be chased around the office by the boss.
Monica? WAS WILLING!
Pretty much lots of Americans rolled their eyeballs at Bill Clinton's "tastes" in women. (And, Hillary was thought the kind of wife a man would cheat on! She was hell on wheels. Most Americans suspected that Bill never even went near Hillary's bed.)
And, that's how Bill got a pass.
A lot more things will sink Cain other than this. [Although this still could]. But he is still a really, really long shot to take the nomination from Romney.
pm317 said...
. . . . Althouse as usual goes for Rush Limbaugh (yeah, the intellectual!)
Damn right! Rush is no intellectual. College dropout in fact. Worked for a crap radio station in McKeesport Pa. All the kids from Williams and Princeton go to work at 30 Rock and for CNN and stuff like that.
Rush didn't even apply to Harvard.
Must be a real dolt, eh?
It is unlikely that an EEOC complaint was filed because they deag out quite a while. It is likely that one was threatened by someone wanting a severance package.
Take a $40,000 salary, then a 3 month severance pay package could be called an agreement to pay them a 5 figure settlement of $10,000.
Whether Herman was flirty or not, he could have been friendly to the point of seeming to be interested in the female. He maybe too authentic for his own good.
Not professional enough!!!
My wife has to remind me every now and then that a single woman, of ANY age, will think a man wants to have a relationship with her if you really enjoy talking with them.
She tells me that getting to know new people is just getting them to talk about themselves...and then she doesn't want me to talk too much with an unattached woman.
What did Freud say about what women want?
I brought my hand up to my chin saying, 'My wife comes up to my chin.'" At that point, Cain gestured with his flattened palm near his chin.
Chokehold!!!
I worked at a consulting firm in the 90s. The rule there seemed to be, "If you have the nerve to bring a suit against us, we'll settle just to get rid of you." We saw it happen several times, both on racial and sexual harassment grounds. I can't emphasize how benign and neutral an environment I worked in.
My husband and his company were recently sued for wrongful termination by a middle-aged man. The guy had numerous problems, thoroughly documented, so the company refused to settle. The guy took him to court and the jury awarded a small judgment for the guy. Just because "they felt sorry for him." Not because it was justified, and the judge even said what an egregious decision it was.
All this to say, there are a lot of things that can go into the decision to complain, and a lot of reasons to settle, and none of them mean anyone actually did anything.
I hope his memory serves him correctly--that he did make the gesture under his chin instead of above his waist
Or reference flat heads and beer cans.
Sorry....couldn't help myself.
I still wonder how much of these types of things result from different cultural standards and mores. There are many things that we would consider so common in our culture that would be insulting or crude in others.
As I said before, many corporations send their personnel to training before sending them to Japan (for example) to avoid embarrassing incidents.
We don't have any of that.
Detective Rush-Bo, and the... royal we. Trusting Limblow to provide an objective report on Cain--or any issue--is about like trusting David Duke on WWII.
Cain only has some inane sex harassment thing going but what about this guy? Any Perry fans here? Who is this guy? He really should go back to Texas.
Who the hell trusts the media reporting anymore on candidates' private lives? After the John Edwards debacle, it's clear that what gets reported has to do with who's on the hit list, and not with any notion of informing the citizenry.
Remember when candidate John McCain's supposed extra-marital misadventure was on page A1 of the NYT? A story based on almost nothing.
Do you see Barack Obama's supposed extra-marital misadventures posted on A1? Nope, in spite of the fact there's probably more evidence for it than there was for for McCain. Because that would create just a huge shitstorm for the Dems, and the NYT couldn't have that happen.
Isn't it interesting that as soon as Cain starts to become a real threat, the DNC dirty tricks campaign comes full bore?
Looking at my French Hand Gestures index, the chin thing is meant to be mildly offensive.
Is this as bad as 'Get Your Freak On Girl'...
Or is it in the range of Rebecca Watson's elevator guy?
Mr. Cain seems to have been a fine pizza executive although some have disputed this. Nonetheless, he is not Presidential material. Very few are. The current guy should give you pause.
Professional women wonder why they dont get the private time with the senior guys, why they dont get to travel with the boss. They often gripe about being excluded from the collegiality they perceive between their male colleagues.
Please avoid responding to J.
@gutless,
"Nonetheless, he is not Presidential material. Very few are.."
I tend to agree, but that still doesn't change the fact that what the press is doing here is pure evil. No matter how politically incompetent Cain is, he doesn't deserve this. No one --- right, left, or center, does.
I'm waiting to see what the facts of the case are. It's one thing if he used his position of authority to extort sexual favors, quite another if he had a cheesecake Snap-on tools calendar hanging on the wall. I'm betting it's closer to the latter than to the former.
Ellison v. Brady, 1991, 9th Circuit Court.
The court said it doesn’t matter if the alleged harasser intended to be harassing or complimentary rejecting the trail court's “reasonable person” standard opting for a “reasonable woman” standard which says, if the woman victim perceived the conduct severe and pervasive enough to change the work environment so as to create an offensive environment, then sexual harassment exists.
Rush always paints such a simplistic version of 'our side' vs 'their side'. It's like he thinks Republicans aren't human but instead perfectly bred creatures out of some sci-fi novel. While Dems are seen as the complete opposite.
That alone has to make anyone with a modicum of common sense be skeptical of most of what he says.
Sure, if you think the Republicans have better policies that's fine. But when you start making claims that 'our side' won't search and destroy then you are making a claim that your side isn't even human.
And btw let's not pretend like the press doesn't go after Democrats. Clinton had all kinds of bad press but he rose above it. Edwards too had bad press and he didn't rise above it. The press loves a scandal but to claim that they only love a scandal that involves minorities who are Republicans is being mighty selective and not looking at the large picture.
@Matt,
Edwards too had bad press and he didn't rise above it. The press loves a scandal but to claim that they only love a scandal that involves minorities who are Republicans is being mighty selective and not looking at the large picture.
Wrong! The press actively suppressed the Edwards affair. They had pictorial evidence of his very open affair with Ms Hunter BEFORE the Iowa caucus. Open knowledge of the affair was given by caucus voters as a reason for his poor showing. His staffers had spoken to members of the press about aborting the campaign over the issue if he seemed to be winning the nomination. All of this was known and actively suppressed as of February, 2008.
The Enquirer followed and broke the story over the screams and yells of the mainstream press, who then had no choice.
(The Crypto Jew)
But when you start making claims that 'our side' won't search and destroy then you are making a claim that your side isn't even human.
You might want to review Chimpy McBushitler, or the comments about Sarah Palin and then get back to me about this high horse, and making claims about not being human….
And btw let's not pretend like the press doesn't go after Democrats. Clinton had all kinds of bad press but he rose above it. Edwards too had bad press and he didn't rise above it. The press loves a scandal but to claim that they only love a scandal that involves minorities who are Republicans is being mighty selective and not looking at the large picture
Yeah that’s why the National Enquirer broke the Edwards story and Drudge broke the “Blue dress”, because Isakoff had his story spiked on Clinton and no one else paid any attention to Edwards, because the Press goes after Democrats.
ahhh....Does anybody understand a word that J says??
I read the opening paragraph for Carol_Herman, and I can understand it. I have NO FUCKING IDEA what J is talking about!!
oh, yeah....don't forget that he has a blog where NOBODY comments!!
Althouse dittoes Limbaugh. Sad.
So is old Lush Windbag off the oxycontin yet? Your leading light is a junkie.
(The Crypto Jew)
So is old Lush Windbag off the oxycontin yet? Your leading light is a junkie.
Weren’t Charlie Parker and Jack Kerouac? Oh that’s RIGHT that was YOUR side, so it’s all
"Anybody who had anything to do with the story, it would be search-and-destroy. Our side will not do that."
Because one major political party is so much more moral then the other in the USA?
Because one side has more ethics regarding oppo research?
We aren't talking fringe parties here.
Are Americans really this naive about politicans and political parties?
Herman Cain Denies Allegations of Sexual Harassment.
and let me just state the obvious:
It would be political malpractice for a Dem oppo reseracher to leak this information this early in the season.
A Dem oppo would wait until a few weeks before the general.
Why? Not because Dem oppo reserachers are good people, but because it would be not in his campaign's interest to release it now.
It's obvious who likely released this information. Somebody wants to win Iowa and South Carolina. Cain's getting in the way.
President Obama sexually harassed Joe the Plumber on that fateful day on the rope line (racist), when candidate Obama salaciously stated that "spreading" (grossly sexist and probably racist) the wealth around was a good thing whilst surreptitiously gesturing, just out of view of the camera, toward his crotchular area.
Politico is retarded. Their reporters are mental midgets hobbling along on their peg legs of logic. They have the morals of crack hos (racist). They are cocaine users who pal around with domestic terrorists. Moreover, Wall Street sucks Herman Cain's huge, black hand gesture.
If there is anyone I have not offended, my sincere apologies. I mean to be inclusive.
Limbaugh: "...They'd be going after the publication. Anybody who had anything to do with the story, it would be search-and-destroy. Our side will not do that.
The Wapo and their spawn are doing it for profit and because they can, because they are elite.
Maybe just a little taste:
sponsor boycotts, sign wielding, bullhorn toting goon squads outside reporter's homes, printing press sabotage, web site hacking and defacing - maybe show "a little frustration at getting a raw deal"
goose/gander, etc.
After all, what would Trumka do?
Liberals are always ready to lynch any darkie that wanders off the plantation while excusing their own kind.
Remember Gloria Steinem on Bill Clinton?
Steinem goes on to say: "In her original story, Paula Jones...claims [after she refused his offer of oral sex] that he said something like, 'Well, I don't want to make you do anything you don't want to do'...As with the allegations in Ms. Willey's case, Mr. Clinton seems to have made a clumsy sexual pass, then accepted rejection..."
Wait--there's more! "Monica Lewinsky's case illustrates the rest of the equation: 'Yes means yes'...Welcome sexual behavior [between employer and underling] is about as relevant to sexual harassment as borrowing a car is to stealing one."
Besides, I'm always reminding women how short they are when I rest my beer on their head.
Just for the fun of guessing. Aren't Bachmann and Perry the most likely beneficiaries and therefore the most likely sources? My guess is that the tip came from the Bachmann camp. Iowa is her best shot. She can't recoup from a loss in Iowa the way Perry can. She needs to place in the top three.
@write_effort,
My guess is that the tip came from the Bachmann camp..
And the Bachmann campaign held guns to the heads of the 4 reporters at Politico to make them run the story?
Do I doubt that there could be some Republican operative scurrilous enough to be pushing this? Not in the least.
Does that change the moral aspect of how wrong Politico was to go with this story. Not in the least.
Members of the Democrat chattering classes looks particularly repugnant and hypocritical in cases of sexual misconduct. The Weiner affair--a far more entertaining scandal--happened just a few months ago. The story then was that he didn't do it, and this in denial of massive evidence to the contrary. Then, when he fessed up and revealed himself (ha) as the most aggressive liar since Clinton, the story changed. Well, no laws were broken. This "scandal" was between him and his wife. Let the voters and his wife decide if it was such a deal breaker....These same people are now telling us that Cain is unfit for public life based on twenty year old allegations......Interesting choice of weapons: they play into the stereotype that Texans with prognathous jaws are racists, that Hispanics can't be trusted to tell the truth about their immigration status, and that blacks are sexually unkempt. They use a bank shot to sink Romney because of his religion. They repeat some Evangelical's objection to some outlandish facet of Romney's religion. Not that they care, of course, but the public has a right to know about what Evangelicals think about special underwear....I don't have any profound disagreements with many liberal positions. It is just that they are so unrelenting in their use of stereotypes, hypocrisy, and self approval.
There was a show on CSpan a week or so ago. The show was about Wilkie and his run for the Presidency in 1940. In order to make this run, Wilkie had left his girl friend and reconciled with his wife.....Roosevelt apparently taped some of his Oval Office conversations. On the CSpan show, Roosevelt could be heard telling someone that they had to get the story out abut Wilkie having a mistress. Roosevelt said it shouldn't be done on a national level. Leak it through some county people, he said.....Interesting story. Worth noting not just for Roosevelt's hypocrisy, but for his zest and skill in playing dirty politics.
We now know more about Cain's time at the NRA 10 years ago than we know about Obama's 13+ years in Wright's church, ending less than 5 years ago.
This show was the first I heard about Roosevelt's tapes and dirty tricks. I'm pretty sure I would have heard about this dirty trick sooner if Nixon had done it.
Herman Cain might be guilty of awkward come-ons or not. We really don't know.
Here is what we do know:
There is almost no evidence that Cain sexually harassed anyone. Third-hand anonymous allegations are about as weak an accusation as you can get.
This doesn't mean that Cain is innocent. Maybe Cain also kicks his dog or steals his neighbor's newspaper. But there is almost no evidence that he did any of that.
Let us see actual evidence from actual accusers who can be questioned and whose veracity can be evaluated. Otherwise, drop it.
The left is remarkably agile in changing the definition of improper sexual conduct, depending on whether the accused is left (Clinton or Kennedy) or right (Thomas or Cain) or a one-time friend who becomes a target of opportunity (Packwood).
If it's all trumped up, that seems consistent. Remember, liberals are the same ones who think black people are incapable of obtaining identification to vote.
And it was only recently that we had Harry Reid tell us that a former Vice President of Bank of America was articulate. Always doing those articulation checks on black people.
And they think themselves the doubleplusunracist political group. Heh.
There is obviously a shameful double standard when it comes to Republicans and conservatives and these various sex and fraud allegations.
That said, it's obvious to me that the genesis of this particular allegation had to have been from a fellow Republican. This smacks of opposition research, for a bunch of reasons, but mostly because Cain would be the left's dream candidate to run against.
This does not excuse Politico's shameful double standard. But it is worth acknowledging.
Added: it's not the left that wants to knock Cain down right now. It's other Republican candidates who are alarmed at his appeal.
The tip came from Karl Rove. I betcha.
On the same day the Politico flap surfaces, the worlds most liberal newspaper, the Star-Tribune publishes an article of the successes and leadership exhibited by Herman Cain at Pillsbury. John Hinderaker comments on the Stribe article over at Power Line.
Mito -- I imagine it came from Romney.
Romney is my favorite of the candidates (though I certainly see his flaws). I do not criticize whichever Republican it was who did this. That's how the game is played.
Shameful news organizations of the United States must stop being lapdogs for the left, though, and must splash baseless allegations against Democrats equally haphazardly.
Does anyone know if either of these gals drowned?
OOPS - wrong link to Power Line. Try this one.
This latest rhetorical contortion from the sinking Cain is a thing of beauty:
"I believe I have a good sense for where you cross the line relative to sexual harassment but you have to know the lady, the individual."
Why? Is it a line you've been across often? Is it a line you can move by knowing a woman? Say, by working with them. People you have control over as the boss.
Cain should be honest for once about this thing. It's the only thing he hasn't tried.
Nope. The press is pretty "equal opportunity" when it comes to sex scandals!
What the GOP should have learned is that Bill Clinton survived the storm. Which sort'a indicates the temperature of the water.
As to Cain, he didn't quite achieve popularity ... and, this thing was always IN his closet! It's not as if he never heard of this woman! Or this woman didn't go and file a sexual harassment claim, that he chose to settle (just to make it go away.)
It seems keeping your good name isn't worth the money, in Cain's book.
OR? Maybe, he didn't think he'd get caught? Maybe, he thought "buying the woman off" was cheap?
Seems odd to me for a man to say he takes "the measure of a woman" by comparing her height to his wife's.
Too bad the dumb GOP choices don't exactly make for an attractive talent pool.
What's the selling point? They're conservatives? That's it?
I like Romney too, I suspect if he wins the Presidency, he won't try to overturn Obamacare though. I think he is the most reasonable and intelligent of all the candidates. Gawd, I'm watching that clip of Perry doing his drunken speech again. To think that he was the favorite for a minute,lol.
People you have control over as the boss.
Agreed, Alpha. Democratic politicians should not make sexual advances on their employees. Why do we not see allegations of such scandals -- and there have been so many -- splashed on the front pages of all manner of media? Why is that?
Canuck at 8:33 PM is positively on target.
Too early for this "hit" to have been done by the democraps. Unless, they're pretty sure Cain would never make it.
The whole conservative song and dance was going to be about "conservative politics." Which you're more than welcome to, anyway. Since it's not going to win a general election ... Even if Jesus, himself, ran under this banner.
Alpha, the truth will come out in a few days, Karl Rove or Romney's people will see to that.
Mito -- The president cannot overturn legislation. The president could fail to enforce it, but that would be a constitutional crisis, possibly a grave one depending on the circumstances.
If a Republican Congress undoes or re-does Obamacare, Romney will sign it. He'll have little choice, just as he had little choice in Massachusetts when he signed Romneycare.
"Sexual advances" in the office is nothing new!
That's why Truman was smart enough to never allow a woman to be in his office, while he was alone with her. (Save for his daughter, Margaret.)
It doesn't take long in an office for the gossip's to mention who the boss is "drilling."
Mito -- What stake does Karl Rove have in killing the chances of a Herman Cain presidency?
Are you one of the silly people who believe that Karl Rove is invested with super-political powers -- like some ghost dancer? Further, why do we never hear of Democratic campaign managers with such supreme ability, and former ones at that? Does James Carville pull the levers of power in secret?
Romney can't win.
But it sure is impressive how much money is behind him, pushing him to "victory."
While all it really does it let Obama win another term.
We've seen it before.
We've seen the GOP put up Bob Dole, when they wanted to limit Bill Clinton to one term.
Bob Dole fell into the mosh pit.
Carol -- What on earth makes you equate the 1996 election and the 2012 election -- other than pure laziness?
How come lots of people, here, see the press as hostile. And, yet, they miss completely how hostile the GOP insiders are to the Tea Party. And, to conservatives, in general?
So far, all I know is that "strange money" is coming in and backing "strange people" ... in the earliest of states to hold primaries.
How does this amount to a hill of beans?
One of the better ones this evening was Jan Crawford Greenberg describing Politico as a "non-partisan" publication.
cassandra lite said...
In the modern remake of "Absence of Malice," Sally Field wouldn't feel guilty.
Yeah, I hear you. And Paul Newman wouldn't be driving a K-car. Come to think of it, Paul Newman wouldn't be driving anything.
AlphaLiberal quotes Herman Cain: "I believe I have a good sense for where you cross the line relative to sexual harassment but you have to know the lady, the individual."
Herman Cain needs to know that for liberals the line is always moving.
I'm really losing faith in our ability to choose leaders. The process is a complete crap shoot of silly games that have no rules, standards, or honor, and the truth is like Broccoli at a Texas barbecue.
We are willing to toss aside quality people on little more than a rumor, and carry silky ponies on our backs through the mud because they fit our adolescent ideas of what a President should look and sound like.
It's most disappointing because it seems intelligence has no ability to break through this self-deception, even knowing how important this is. Maybe we don't really believe it is important. I doubt we would choose a kitchen appliance with less vigor and discipline.
Easy answer, 7 machos. Here, people keep going back to Bill Clinton. Who had to "face the music" over Monica. And, survived.
You'd think, since you now know that Bill Clinton won his re-election back in 1996, that separate from the sex scandal ... was an INCOMPETENT nominee from the stupid party.
Keep blaming sex scandals.
But you can't make winners out of losers.
Losers show up on election night ... While the stupid party never learns anything about picking better presidential nominees.
If there was better teamwork backstage, campaigning against Obama would be a piece of cake.
McCain showed you he was an idiot. And, couldn't do it.
And, all the 8 vying candidates you see? They're appealing to conservatives. Because that's the primary system. As if you can get leverage to win a general election from Nevada, Iowa, and New Hampshire.
What if all you get are "favorite sons?"
Conventions once had "smoke filled rooms." And, sitting among the delegates were the powers to bring foward a nominee.
Picking the right nominee meant political jobs. So there was plenty of back scrubbing.
Hasn't Rove been on Fox badmouthing Cain? Doesnt Roves super PAC still have quite a bit of influence ?
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/herman-cain-karl-rove-deliberately-trying-damage-me/
This election has nothing to do with the 1996 election whatsoever. The economy in 1996 was on fire. We were involved in fewer military entanglements. 9/11 was not remotely even possible.
That anyone would compare the 1996 election to the 2012 election because of a wisp of a fleeting sex scandal (that will disappear by Thursday) is comical.
Mito -- Apparently, you don't even understand what you, yourself, think. Thus, I will explain your thoughts to you.
Like James Carville, Karl Rove is a former campaign manager with some cachet who frequently appears in the press to give his opinion. Opinions on politics, by their nature, are often critical of ideas and politicians. There is nothing behind the scenes involved. Further, Rove and Carville and paid handsomely for their efforts by the media they speak through.
What you have suggested, though, is that Karl Rove is secretly behind some opposition research strike against Herman Cain. You have provided no evidence. You have offered no suggestions about who would pay Rove to do so.
What you are saying, therefore, is that Karl Rove is a super-secret political agent working on his own, for his own purposes, for no monetary gain, to secretly destroy a primary candidate.
That is ridiculous. Again, if you'll simply try to imagine James Carville doing the same thing, and if you are remotely sophisticated, you will see as much.
Social interactions are the expected result of men and women working together. That's why we invented "morality rules."
It is unnatural if people did otherwise.
Cain has been a leader who leads groups by winning people over with simple, doable ideas and a likable personal style.
The interesting thing about a man like Cain is that he will also generate jealousy from the friends of the person he is using his style upon.
If a man becomes too attentive to a woman, then her close women friends will fight the man for her.
A famous sad country song complained to a run away wife, " You ran away with my best friend, and I want my friend back."
Adults are way past Sunday School manners these days.
Apparently, as CEO of the National Restaurant Association, Herman Cain didn't know what was going on in the organization. He's that good.
“If the restaurant association did a settlement I am not — I wasn’t even aware of it and I hope it wasn’t for much, because nothing happened,” he said on FOX News. “So if there was a settlement, it was handled by some of the other officers that worked for me at the association.”
Paging Sargent Schultz! The "I know nothing" defense!
If I were a canny political operative, I would have someone leak unsavory unprovable accusations against my client, wait for the published leak,followed by the usual usual media riots,unload the truth, give the press a good kick in the teeth and sit back and wallow in the public sympathy.
Alpha -- Aren't you sort of wasting time here bagging on Cain? You have to realize -- brilliant Renaissance Man that you are -- that there is no way he is going to be the nominee.
Right?
Further, Cain has to have Obama salivating. He would be elated to face Cain.
So what's your point exactly? What are you hoping to achieve, besides prickdom?
Seven don't try to explain to Mitzie what she is thinking.
She has no idea.
It is a lot of fun reading J trying to talk like a Negro.
That Althouse woman must be proud.
I never, never, EVER occupy a room alone with a woman who is not my wife. Either we get someone else to "chaperone" us or we go somewhere else public. Nor do I do out of town trips with any woman.
Also, because the feminist bitches would probably like to sue me for this too, I do not make it public knowledge that this is my policy. It just happens that way.
I care less than nothing what any woman thinks of this policy.
John -- I go a couple steps further. I ask all women in my presence to wear loose-fitting garment from head to toe with only a narrow slit for the eyes. I call it a veil. I also never worship any god in the presence of women. And, of course, they are not allowed to drive cars in my presence. Or vote or have civil rights.
One of the things Walter Cronkite owned was telling the truth.
You can't say that, anymore.
We don't hear the truth!
While Rush always seemed to be telling unpleasant truths. Because he didn't mince words.
Today's newsrooms are full of hype.
And, I can see Rush running out of material.
What do you see when you look at the "occupy wall street" footage? Do you see anything that represents 99% of the people?
Isn't it missing the truth?
The kids all seemed to have these crazy college loans. Where they went into college without any visible intellectual talents. They came out indebted. With "credentials." But the credentials aren't worth the price they paid.
Isn't it easy to tell this truth out loud?
Bunch of moochers who have more debt than the average person would sign up for.
Like buying houses without any wherewithal to repay the loans.
Except that students loans can't be discharged in bankruptcy court.
Yup. That's how our laws get written.
They're not written by comedians.
Hate to be the one to break the news to ya, 7 machos. But sex scandals have always been around.
While the one in 1996, belonging to Bill Clinton, was one where Newt Gingrich raced in to "Impeach." Well, typical of the stupid party ... it didn't drive Bill Clinton out of office.
While Herman Cain just faced his Waterloo.
As to our economy, there were significant disasters throughout the 1990's. Japan, South Korea, Brazil, and Thailand ... (who taught us the word "Baht" back in 1992) ... has always been rearing its head.
Sometimes investors make money.
Sometimes investors get clipped.
As to Herman Cain, he KNEW there was a woman or two ... who sued him for workplace sexual harassment. He should'a spent more time studying how Harry Truman handled his reputation ... by NEVER be alone with a woman in his office. (Save for his daughter, Margaret.)
What brings these stories out into the daylight, if so few people are really even tuning in the debates?
As to 1996 ... You can probably bet, ahead, that the nominee will be worse than Bob Dole. And, McCain. And, everybody will wonder how Obama can win, again.
Trooper York aka Audie's Mom, what a sore loser you are, still mad that Athouse deleted all those comments of yours almost a month ago?
You haven't been back here as Trooper York since.Now you show up as Audie's Mom. LOL, what a pathetic coward. So funny that Chip S called you Trooper on your blog Audie's Mom, man that was good for a laugh, thanks.
HT
The WaPo lied about Rubio, period.
How does the left own anything?
Reagan won because lots of people got disgusted with Jimmy Carter, AND lots of people voted for Reagan.
Pretty much the person who is the most centered attracts the most voters.
Mitt Romney is NOT such a person!
John McCain wasn't either
None of the 8, vying with each other, to win some early polls ... seem to believe that winning these early polls in Nevada, New Hampshire and Iowa will amount to more than a hill of beans.
While, if you're paying attention, you'll notice some nice people couldn't get any traction.
And, Michele Bachmann managed to already fizzle out.
Politics remains a strange business. People like Ed Rollins, and James Carville need to choose very carefully ... because they want to stand at the center of power.
Obama should have been a piece of cake to beat. But more people ahead, still seem to be willing to vote for him. Who did NOT want to vote for Jimmy Carter!
As to our economy, there were significant disasters throughout the 1990's. Japan, South Korea, Brazil, and Thailand
As to my the plumbing at my house, there are houses in other countries with plumbing problems.
Come on, Carol. Be cogent. You can do it.
Sorry, Rush, but if this story was the result of opposition research, the timing suggests a Republican opponent. Team Obama would have waited until much closer to the general election.
Small, five-figure settlements suggest nothing or next to nothing happened. Small settlements are far cheaper than any trial and often mean corporate prudence rather than a guilty party.
If Cain can survive, it is GOOD that this came out now. Earlier is better for such issues. He has an opportunity to show how he works in a political crisis. If he can manage through this and stay on top of the polls, it's further evidence he deserves to be there. If this sinks him he probably was the flavor of the month after all.
I Never, never, ever turn down an opportunity to occupy a room alone with a drunk horny woman who is not my wife.
God might think you don't like them and not send you any more.
When did republicans become such WATBs? Such victims of an unfair world...
The revolution in Cuba was on during 1956 when Rubio's parents first came, but the communists didn't win until 1959. Then there was about a year and a half when people could still get out. The lockdown came in 1961 when the entire island became a maximum security penitentiary. Homosexuality immediately became illegal (four years in prison), and even today if someone there gets on the internet and would come to Althouse's site they would get five years in prison.
As for Cain, who knows. He's new, and of course as Rush says he's huge threat to the Democrats because he threatens to make it acceptable for minorities to make up their minds before going into the polling booth.
The revolution in Cuba was on during 1956 when Rubio's parents first came, but the communists didn't win until 1959. Then there was about a year and a half when people could still get out. The lockdown came in 1961 when the entire island became a maximum security penitentiary. Homosexuality immediately became illegal (four years in prison), and even today if someone there gets on the internet and would come to Althouse's site they would get five years in prison.
As for Cain, who knows. He's new, and of course as Rush says he's huge threat to the Democrats because he threatens to make it acceptable for minorities to make up their minds before going into the polling booth.
We're avoiding you "Tyrone", AZ-acid-vegan, you illiterate shit--, except for mental health authorities and Pynchon's publishers .Intellectual property theft--your usual MO. note no blog, no posts (plagiarize books you can read,Bubba--like your HS history, or wikis, etc, you untalented white trash).
Sally Fostertime, Bubba.
"Paging Sergeant Schultz! The 'I know nothing!' defense!"
Don't you mean the Eric "Fast and Furious? Never heard of it" Holder defense, AL?
reality starts when you realize Rush Limblow's the voice of the pig-shaitan of the US.
---We're avoiding you "Tyrone", AZ-acid-vegan (also bagoh, etc), you illiterate shit--, except for mental health authorities and Pynchon's publishers .Intellectual property theft--your usual MO. note no blog, no posts (plagiarize books you can read,Bubba--like your HS history, or wikis, etc, you untalented piece of white trash).
Lets assume that there is some solid evidence that Mr Cain in fact sexually harrassed former employees--Maybe I have succumbed to excessive doses of poliics, but it does not make much sense to me that the Obama machine would release this now--this is the stuff of October surprises. Aat this point the Obama machine has no idea who the R candidate will be.
If my conspiratorial analysis makes any sense, I would look to the R side of the ledger for this story.
I probably should stop reading blogs--they simply amplify the excesses on the third standard deviation on both the left and right.
@ Mr. Forward
"I Never, never, ever turn down an opportunity to occupy a room alone with a drunk horny woman who is not my wife. God might think you don't like them and not send you any more."
But God does have a sense of humor so one day that drunk horny woman who is not your wife ... will turn out to be your wife. And then you've got a lot of explaining to do when you ask her to not mention this to your wife.
When Ann Coulter stated, "Our
blacks are so much better than their Blacks," she revealed the Republican stance towards race which sounds much like a plantation platitude comparing the slaves to freemen.
You got it R-V. And Limbaugh--patronizing as well--Cain's ..his boy. The typical Althouse attitude as well. How the oligarchy of demons works
http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowldc/lede-du-jour-up-in-smoke_b54797
"Block mentioned almost in passing that a radio talk show receptionist in Iowa thought Cain’s comments were “inappropriate.” With no more context than that, audience members did not know whether Block was referring to the Politco story or a new allegation. Only [sic] member of the overflow audience shook his head during Block’s answer and whispered, “Holy crap.”
More strangeness, I wonder what it means, if anything
Sorry, Rush, but if this story was the result of opposition research, the timing suggests a Republican opponent. Team Obama would have waited until much closer to the general election.
Or he could have leaked it himself, to make sure it didn’t come out at a worse time. Or to evoke sympathy, because it’s pretty tame as far as scandals go.
http://decoded.nationaljournal.com/2011/11/cains-message-may-be-up-in-smo.php
Cain's Message May Be Up in Smoke
By Ron Fournier
November 1, 2011 | 9:58 AM | 1 Comment
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Herman Cain's campaign manager says the sexual harassment story has run its course, but he may be blowing smoke.
Mark Block's body langauge and defensive rhetoric at a 2012 campaign forum Tuesday belied his fear that the former pizza company CEO may be knocked off message at a critical time for Cain's GOP presidential campaign.
At the National Journal's 2012 Election Preview event in downtown Washington, Block repeatedly ducked this simple but significant question: Can you guarantee that no more damaging information about Cain's past will emerge?
"I think the statement would be that Mr. Cain has never sexually harassed anybody. Period. End of story," Block said, repeating the campaign talking points about a Politico story describing sexual harassment charges in Cain's past.
Block mentioned almost in passing that a radio talk show receptionist in Iowa thought Cain's comments were "inappropriate." With no more context than that, audience members did not know whether Block was referring to the Politco story or a new allegation. Only member of the overflow audience shook his head during Block's answer and whispered, "Holy crap."
Continued Block: "If we have to spend every hour every day responding to these ridiculous accusations it will take us off message. So my statement stands ... ." No harassment. Ever. Period.
And yet, the panel moderators asked him twice more: Are there any more skeletons in Cain's closet?
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The original story.
At the end of the day, this story is a function of the role of political blogs--May or may not be true. Who cares? Everyone gave bill clinton a pass for getting his cock sucked in the white house on the taxpayers dime; everyone gave the reverend jackson a pass for fathering bastard children.
this kind of story is the digital analogue of cable news--provides fuel to keep the fires burning for 48 hours until the next story comes up
Its all bullshit
roesch/voltaire said...
When Ann Coulter stated, "Our
blacks are so much better than their Blacks," she revealed the Republican stance towards race which sounds much like a plantation platitude comparing the slaves to freemen.
No R-V, Ann Coulter revealed her own stance and nothing else. Put your broad painting brush back in it's holster.
R/V: seems to me we had this discussion in another thread about all commenters being followers of Glen Beck--that proposition took quite a few hits.
And here you are back again, making sweeping generalizations, attributing to some conservative commenter, comments that somehow you perceive as part of the "republican party."
come on, son--you gotta be a bit smarter than that--you must never have taken those critical thinking skills that colleges and universities pride themselves on.
Or, on the the other hand, you just an unthinking ass.
Wrong again Roger J, the Tennessee teabug. R-V's point is a perfectly reasonable inference from Coulter's brainfart--(and also considering her usual crypto-racist, wannabe-mafia commentary)_. Note "Our" --patronizing, and stupid, as if she and the GOP-TP mob owned them (similar to Limblow's rant). The one incapable of "critical thinking"--ie drawing correct inferences-- is you, dreck.
Unknown the difference was the apparently consensual nature of Clinton and Jackson's acts. Monica liked it. These two alleged women didn't like what Cain allegedly did.
Coulter sells enough books, and makes enough guest speeches before Republican and conservative groups that her views are not only ones that she holds.
Thus while the brush may be broad, it does not miss the general mark of the party which has turned its back on the moderate Eisenhower, Rockefeller members, who many on this blog call Rihnos while singing the praise of Coulter.
We have to remember that Mito-Allie, Roesch/Voltaire, and J all follow the Obama/OWS rule when it comes to sexual assaults and rape -- which is that they cover it up and support and endorse it when done by members of their own party.
Meanwhile, as for Ann Coulter, once again she nails the fact that typical white liberals like Mito-Allie, Roesch/Voltaire, and J feel very proprietary towards minority communities and claim ownership of these people, punishing and encouraging physical violence against any minority person who dares get uppity towards their white liberal massas.
Mito-Allie, as an example, is threatened by a successful black man. She knows she and her children are failures and Cain is a success; this offends her, because her white skin in her mind makes her superior. Thus she must punish Cain and spread lies about him in order to make up for her own failures.
More strangeness, I wonder what it means, if anything
I think it means that Mito-Allie, whio endorsed and supported John Edwards's lies and cheating on his wife, insisting that the tabloids were irresponsible for reporting anything bad about an Obama Party member and supporting the mainstream media for suppressing it, is letting her racist side show.
Poor little Mito-Allie. She shows what happens when racist failures like herself are confronted with a successful black person -- they get all gossipy and mean, trying to bite at the ankles of those who years of Democrat rhetoric have taught her are inferior to her and a threat to her white-skinned daughters.
http://hillbuzz.org/2010/05/23/someone-in-the-national-media-is-finally-interested-in-mans-country-in-andersonville/
Turnabout IS fair play.
North Dallas Thirty , LOL I supported Hillary Clinton, BTW.
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