Good morning, from Wisconsin.
My fellow Americans, our long national nightmare is over....
Or maybe just... The dream is over...And so, dear friends, you'll just have to carry on...
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Badger Red.
Now they have to start leading and walkng the fiscal conservative walk.
If they trust what they ran on and hold the line they will do fine. They have to trust they are right.
Once again...as sausage-y as it can look at times, anyone else proud that we handle transitions of power relatively well? I can, at least, agree with Maher on that much.
Waking up in a red state.
That sweet, sharp, unaccustomed tang in the air, this morning? Sanity.
As Merlin said in the movie Excalibur:
"A dream to some.... A nightmare to others!!!!!"
I was in your lovely Madison a couple of weeks ago (my God your farmer's market is amazing; go eat at Nostrano, too) and Obama had just been there for a rally and Biden was apparently there while I was there. And the result was... apparently they kept Madison but lost the rest of the state, and lost Feingold to boot. All over Madison, I'm sure people are saying "How could Feingold have lost? Everyone I know voted for him!" But the reality is that the Obama agenda can barely hang onto its pockets of support like college towns and... well, California and Nevada. Okay, that's big. But still. He has to fight to hold onto his strongholds at this point. I really think, if just one person steps into the primary at this point, breaks the spell, five will the next day.
Anybody need a used copy of The Emerging Democratic Majority?
Me too, here in Pennsylvania, but it was too darn close for my liking.
Of course, the Country's still screwed, because the federal budget is beyond repair.
I really think, if just one person steps into the primary at this point, breaks the spell, five will the next day.
For maximum entertainment "bang" for our dollar, he could always get primaried by Alvin "Action Figure" Greene...
... and I mentioned this earlier, in another thread, but: watching Joy Behar glower and snarl like one of the brood queens from Aliens this morning, on The View, should make for classic TV comedy, as well!
It was a slaughter here in Ohio. Every statewide office went to Republicans. They took the state House (already had the Senate) and governorship.
Reps got a net gain of 5 US House seats. The delegation is now 13-5, GOP.
I was the SenRuss, but now I'm unemployed...
It was a slaughter here in Ohio.
An interesting exercise is to look at the candidates that the President campaigned for in the last week before the election.
Whaddaya know? Sanity is restored!
The better job they do, the less some of us will like it. We all have our hand in the till, but far fewer really put much into it.
You can't create permanent jobs without making it worth while to the people who hire. But our culture has been hard at work demonizing them for years. This is gonna be tough. For some people just leaving others alone is near impossible.
In AZ, Republicans swept all of the statewide races. Republicans took two of the three contested Dem seats (Mitchell and Kirkpatrick) but the Dems will probably hold onto the third, Giffords.
But the most astounding: First the background (from RealClearPolitics)
The Seventh District of Arizona is the lineal descendant of a district that was created in 1962. From 1962 through 1990, it was represented by Mo Udall. After the Fifth (now the Eighth) district was split off in 1982, the district was made heavily Democratic; no Democrat has ever won less than 59 percent of the vote here.
And as of this morning:
GRIJALVA 60037 48.5%; MCCLUNG 56978 46%
In a heavily hispanic district in the year of SB 1070 that's just....WOW
Obama was here all the time, it seemed. Didn't do a bit of good.
I liked how MSNBC said Fox won the governorship- since Kasich used to have a show on Fox. (Would that apply if Chris Matthews ran for office?)
Yes I think the guy that made money hanging on to his wive's coat tails will turn the state red--in embarrassment.
The nice thing about this election was that we didn't go as far as exterminating Democratic rule. The country, in its conservational wisdom, has set up reservations where blue state politics not only can exist but can, apparently, do so in as close to its natural existence as possible.
Viewing stations will be set up on the borders of California for observation of unrestrained Democratic government lived out in a free, though secured, environment.
A warning: While scheduled tours are encouraged, please do not feed the animals.
Whaddaya know? Sanity is restored!
Except in California, which remains Cloud Cukcoo Land. I expectd nothing less from this State. I have no idea what it will take to wake up the residents of the 'blue' enclaves.
Once again...as sausage-y as it can look at times, anyone else proud that we handle transitions of power relatively well?
I volunteered to work at the polls yesterday. I was so impressed at the way our elections are run by volunteers (at least at the ground level).
People stood in line for half an hour to vote. They didn't complain when we let someone who had stood in the ballot line, then had to switch to the register line (almost all for changes of address), cut to the front of the voting line once his registration was done.
One young woman stood in line for 45 minutes only to learn she didn't have the right proof of residence to change her address and vote. She went home to get something else - and that wasn't right. She went home again to get the proper paperwork. She really wanted to vote, as did over 70% of the people in my ward.
Most of the poll workers were polite and gracious, although I wanted to tell the college student who was registering changes of address with me to quit calling everyone older than her by their first names as she registered them. And then there was the lady at poll worker training who wanted to know how to register the Albanians.
Overall, though, I was happy that we have such a great system where so many people are involved.
"Yes I think the guy that made money hanging on to his wive's coat tails will turn the state red--in embarrassment."
You guys got John Kerry? I missed that race.
Scott M said...
"[A]nyone else proud that we handle transitions of power relatively well?"
It is the one greatest example of American exceptionalism. Thanks to our Founders and the Documents they gave us.
DBQ: They're already awake.
They are fully committed to the cause. My little brother is one of them. The worst thing that happened in this state is it looks like prop 25 passed. Now the Dems in Sactown are free to raise taxes to their hearts content, and side-step property tax limiting prop 13, passed by the people of this state when Jerry Brown was governor. He opposed it!
So, all my California brethren... Welcome to Taxifornia!
I have no idea what it will take to wake up the residents of the 'blue' enclaves.
Maybe it will happen when (please God let it happen) that a conservative Republican Congress refuses to bail out California and all of its excesses and self inflicted troubles.
Out here in California, we have chosen to sacrifice ourselves. To continue with the experimental treatment even after it has made us seriously ill. We need to establish if the treatment is fatal when continued long term. We do this for the rest of you. Don't let our sacrifice be in vain. Watch us and learn. Don't turn your head, no matter how bad it gets. We regret that we have but one life to give for our country. Please visit us and put something in the tip jar. We live on that.
A Dream To Some....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8mJwgPiarg
"Waking up in a red state."
Is a good thing. Certainly worth a shot anyway. Pity those poor Californians for they are doomed. DOOMED.
Unfortuantely they make take a lot of the rest of us down with them
Sonicfrog:
California gambled and lost. There will be no bailout from either the Feds or the dopers.
California has passed the tipping point where the majority is either on welfare or works for the government. The state has driven too many productive people out. Sanity will not return until the state collapses.
From Ace's site, this A.M.:
California's most dire problems right now are related to public-employee obligations (pensions and healthcare). The power of public-employee unions in California have held the State and local governments in thrall for years, and with the election of Jerry Brown as Governor, the people of California have opted to spray kerosene on a blaze that was already threatening to overwhelm them.
[...]
Well, the die has been cast, California. You have placed your fate into the hands of a political party and a governmental machine that cares for nothing except what it can squeeze out of you to keep the party-train rolling. There will come a time in the not-too-distant future when you will have cause to bitterly regret what happened last night, and to wonder when the disaster truly became unavoidable. Well, now you know: it happened last night when you elected Jerry Brown as your governor. You chose to kowtow to the labor unions; you chose to believe comforting lies rather than the horrible truth.
You will reap the whirlwind.
"California has passed the tipping point where the majority is either on welfare or works for the government. The state has driven too many productive people out. Sanity will not return until the state collapses."
Yes. The only true agent of change is trauma.
Yes I think the guy that made money hanging on to his wive's coat tails will turn the state red--in embarrassment.
Setting aside the selfish asshole types who naturally would identify with the angry millionaire who got involved in politics because he got incensed seeing another kid beside his own getting health care coverage, or the hypocrite who receives state benefits through his wife who will drive all the way out to Washington to rally against someone else getting health care - I hope the morons that voted against their best interest gets it really good and hard in the Ayn Rand world.
c3: If you think AZ-7 is telling, you should take a look at Allen Boyd's loss in FL-2. The last time FL-2 elected a Republican was 1884.
In all, the Blue Dog Democrats were pretty much crushed.
Garage, Your bitter clingies are showing.
That depends, Garage, on whether or not voters in Ayn Rand world think they should rely on government for their well-being or that they should make their own way and rely on government as little as possible. Which are you?
I hope the morons that voted against their best interest gets it really good and hard in the Ayn Rand world.
LOL!
Being a red state, does that mean we finally will be getting a Waffle House franchise?
Being a red state, does that mean we finally will be getting a Waffle House franchise?
Only if MSNBC thinks your WHITE NO COLLEGE demographic is high enough.
And of course Garage uses the Pelosian fallacy of referring to "health care" rather than "health insurance". The actual care under Obamacare will not only be poorer, it will be more expensive.
Check out a public beach, school or housing development and compare them to their private counterparts. Health care will be the same way.
ScottM
He's an Ayn Rand Lutheran, which makes no sense tobegin with. He also doesn't mind taking government money, when it benefits him that is. So really, the worst of all worlds here.
"...drive all the way out to Washington to rally against someone else getting health care."
Willfully obtuse.
No one's health care was rallied against and you know it. Partisan government authoritarianism was rallied against. Your party. Your bullying authoritarian lying government.
And you call yourself a Wisconsinite. You should hang your head.
"Only if MSNBC thinks your WHITE NO COLLEGE demographic is high enough."
We already know they have an All White College, does that count?
Setting aside the selfish asshole types
Well, someone certainly sounds all wee-wee'd up this morning.
He's an Ayn Rand Lutheran, which makes no sense to begin with
Please explain why this makes no sense. Your take on Lutherans is what?
Willfully obtuse.
Meade, its bad enough garage is suffering from the election results but making fun of his weight is kinda mean.
California: The Greece of the United States.
Where is Herb? Are they hiding him in some secret undisclosed location?
I hope the morons that voted against their best interest gets it really good and hard in the Ayn Rand world.
I've always loved this line (What's the matter with Kansas?). The rubes are too stupid to know what's good for them.
What's good for them is a stable economy, which will never happen on the road we are on. Adults understand the need to take their medicine, even if it tastes bad.
Our real problem is that we don't have more adults.
He's an Ayn Rand Lutheran, which makes no sense to begin with
Please explain why this makes no sense.
Maybe it means Johnson is going to nail a copy of Atlas Shrugged on Obama's door?
let the nightmares begin....poor Wisconsin. On the other hand, my grass is green(er), my state is blue and by district is blue....
.....witches stay away....
Maybe it means Johnson is going to nail a copy of Atlas Shrugged on Obama's door?
Yes, while saying "Ein minuten, bitte"
No one's health care was rallied against and you know it
Sure it was. It was a rally against health care reform, that added and expanded health care coverage. Man up Meade, as they say.
I have to say I did see Feingold's concession speech and that was the best Howard Dean impersonation I've seen in a while.
Can't wait to see how many Dems jump on the repeal Obamacare bandwagon come next year.
Sure it was. It was a rally against health care reform, that added and expanded health care coverage. Man up Meade, as they say.
Well then maybe you should man up and acknowledge that even your progressive comraden in Wisconsin weren't in favor of it and voted accordingly.
Seriously garage, you guys rode into town on a wave of anti-GOP sentiment and Hope and Change in within 2 short years managed to turn that into the biggest Congressonal turnover in over half a century. I'll give you this much, you had some good ideas, HRC, drawing down in the wars, stimulating the economy. The problem was you guys fubared it and did it big time. Now you can blame an impotent GOP for 'obstruction' but no one bought that line.
I remember a comment from you after the Obama win when you said "Thanks Dick [Cheney], we'll take it from here."
Heckuva job.
Man up Meade, as they say.
Man up, Garage, as you said, and answer the Lutheran question.
let the nightmares begin....poor Wisconsin.
Try comforting yourself with one of these.
garage says...Setting aside the selfish asshole types who naturally would identify with the angry millionaire who got involved in politics because he got incensed seeing another kid beside his own getting health care coverage, or the hypocrite who receives state benefits through his wife who will drive all the way out to Washington to rally against someone else getting health care - I hope the morons that voted against their best interest gets it really good and hard in the Ayn Rand world.
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Shorter garage: We'd have won if only all Americans agreed with Democrats do that the purpose of government is to take your neighbor's property.
Our real problem is that we don't have more adults.
Right Mike. The party that relies solely on name calling, lies, shouting at town halls, and promising to shut down government if they don't get their way. Those adults?
Man up, Garage, as you said, and answer the Lutheran question.
Here is Ayn Rand on religion:
.... The alleged short-cut to knowledge, which is faith, is only a short-circuit destroying the mind
Faith is the worst curse of mankind, as the exact antithesis and enemy of thought.
Any other questions?
I was talking about the voters, garage. With respect to politicians, our real problem is that there are too few with a backbone.
It's amazing to me that anyone cast a single vote for a braindead Democrats. But braindead voters...
Any other questions?
Yeah. I thought you were from the party that claimed the moral high ground on nuance. Your whole opinion on this matter seems like a pretty all-or-nothing, black or white, zero tolerance/zero judgement point of view.
I pretty much dislike Bill Clinton and most of what he says, but he's not been wrong on every single issue at all times. See? Nuance.
Right Mike. The party that relies solely on name calling, lies, shouting at town halls, and promising to shut down government if they don't get their way.
Now that's funny. LOL!
Yes how dare the electorate voice thier displeasure to their elected representatives. Who the hell do they think they are?
Regarding the town hall meetings, I consider the response very appropriate, given the level of peril and the too few tools available. At that point in time, shouting was all they had. Too bad more of the politicians didn't listen to them.
I have no idea what it will take to wake up the residents of the 'blue' enclaves.
In the brains-fueled engine of American progress -- Silicon Valley -- the locals still vote Democratic. I note particularly that Carly Fiorina got spanked two-to-one in her home county, while Meg Whitman did a little better: 35% of the vote to Governor Moonbeam's 61%.
Any theories why this is the case?
Notice this. When lefties shout, scream stamp their feet that is the HEIGHT of patriotism. When right-wingers do the same, it's awful and disgusting.
Seriously garage, after 8 years of listening to some of the most outrageous rhetoric from your side during the Bush years I really have to wonder about your complete lack of irony to make that statement.
In the brains-fueled engine of American progress -- Silicon Valley -- the locals still vote Democratic. I note particularly that Carly Fiorina got spanked two-to-one in her home county, while Meg Whitman did a little better: 35% of the vote to Governor Moonbeam's 61%.
Any theories why this is the case?
High-paid employed engineers have the luxury of voting Democrat. Many of which have never experienced unemployment in their lives. So it's all just abstract to them and convenient.
Regarding the town hall meetings, I consider the response very appropriate, given the level of peril and the too few tools available. At that point in time, shouting was all they had.
I recall Barron Hill berating his town hall audience when asked why he would not allow it to be video taped and he said: "You don't tell me how to run my Congressional office."
Any theories why this is the case?
California slants down from the mountains to the Pacific. From approximately 11:14am PST until the sun goes down, this provides almost the exact angle it take to bake the sense right out of their heads. They usually don't recover until the next morning, but then it starts all over again.
That's just a guess though.
Your take on Lutherans is what?
It is a funny sounding name especially when you put stress on the 'u' sound.
California: the Greece of the United States
California run by the Hermaphrodite Party. Has the ability to screw itself.
As has been noted by others, the loss of Congress by the Dems makes a California bail out less likely. I expect the exodous of the productive middle class to accelerate. It's hard to imagine what California will look like in 20 years.
Original Mike - Mexifornia. Reconquista completed.
Many positives from last night:
The most critical priority was accomplished, for one piece of the government to move to Rep control.
The reps not winning the Senate is ok with me, as long and the Maine Sens and Brown aren't able to prevent a filibuster by themselves. The Maines in particular seem to regard all government spending as a positive.
Dem control prevents the Reps from deciding their position should allow them to engage in the spendthrift model, plus it keeps the Dems from blaming everything on Reps.
I sure hope when Obama called Boehner last night and talked about how he was looking forward to working together Boehner had a tape of Obama relentlessy nasty campaign speeches to play for him.
"In the brains-fueled engine of American progress -- Silicon Valley -- the locals still vote Democratic."
So do the millions and millions of people trapped in illiteracy and drug abuse in the slums of every major Dem enclave. And the Dem Congressional delegation reflects that quite clearly.
FLS:
We will see how smart those engineers are when their employers close up shop and move elsewhere becuase of the increased cost of doing business in California and those who continue to have jobs see their standard of living fall because of the shrinking supply of other people's money will fall on them.
Omitted California. California is going bankrupt by following pure progressive politics. Let's not give the progressives a path to avoid blame.
We will see how smart those engineers are when their employers close up shop and move elsewhere becuase of the increased cost of doing business in California and those who continue to have jobs see their standard of living fall because of the shrinking supply of other people's money will fall on them.
Yup, like I said most of them have been riding the gravy train their entire lives and only understand socialism in the abstract. It makes them feel all warm & gooey inside. Just wait until they are unemployed.
eriously garage, after 8 years of listening to some of the most outrageous rhetoric from your side during the Bush years
Well we can now cut that crap altogether. There was no outrageous rhetoric, just patriotic citizens voicing their displeasure. Never mind the fact Democrats were elected overwhelmingly running and promising health care reform. Oh well. Democrats will now have to make a bunch of nonsense up, scream at the top of their lungs that we're all going to die.
It is good that there are two political parties. Neither could win without the other.
It's hard to imagine what California will look like in 20 years.
Not really. I'm picturing the setting of Escape from New York.
There was no outrageous rhetoric, just patriotic citizens voicing their displeasure.
No outrageous rhetoric for those 8 years garage? Really? REALLY?????
Bush is a Baby Killer from 2007
Oh well. Democrats will now have to make a bunch of nonsense up, scream at the top of their lungs that we're all going to die.
So pretty much back to the same playbook then. Cool.
So garage, will you self-styled "progressives" reign in your violent rhetoric the next 2 years? We'll keep close tabs on every single fucking thing you say.
We will see how smart those engineers are when their employers close up shop and move elsewhere becuase of the increased cost of doing business in California
That process was carried out about as far as possible over the last thirty years. Only the highest level people are left.
I'm picturing the setting of Escape from New York.
So am I.
If my husband didn't have an existing service business (that is not able to be transported out of the State).....we would sell and move in a heartbeat to a State that has some sanity.
Maybe in a few years.
with the angry millionaire who got involved in politics because he got incensed seeing another kid beside his own getting health care coverage,
Your faux indignancy and ignorance are touching.
Never mind the fact Democrats were elected overwhelmingly running and promising health care reform.
Please provide a singular example of any Democrat running on a health care mandate.
Thanks in advance.
As has been noted by others, the loss of Congress by the Dems makes a California bail out less likely. I expect the exodous of the productive middle class to accelerate. It's hard to imagine what California will look like in 20 years.
The patent firm I work for moved (literally) across the state line into NV, with, coincidentally no income or corporate taxes, right around the time of the .com bust. After merging with a much larger firm, we are now back in CA (not my office, thankfully). But we are there to sell our much lower priced services into that market. Plus, the tax advantages of Nevada corporations, etc.
The problem, as always, is that when so many people bail from California, many of them bring along their California politics. Which is arguably why the states around California seem to have been moving to the left politically (and, yes, Colorado too). And, yes, maybe why we have Harry Reid for another six years, and Janet Napolitano was able to win so often in Barry Goldwater's home state.
There was no outrageous rhetoric, just patriotic citizens voicing their displeasure.
You mean like those leftists who were wishing death on VP Cheney?
Like that?
Oh well. Democrats will now have to make a bunch of nonsense up, scream at the top of their lungs that we're all going to die.
Um, it was Obama who said there was an urgency to pass the "stimulus" and "health care reform"
Would you like to see some choice quotes from Democrats predicting dire consequences if we did not pass those bills?
You voted for the long national nightmare, Meadhouse. At least, the Alt part of Meadhouse did. Is this your apology?
why ... Janet Napolitano was able to win so often in Barry Goldwater's home state.
Arizona was Bruce Babbitt's home state as well. Napolitano was able to win so often because she was a good executive.
FLS:
Oh, so you are saying rich people who don't care voted Boxer/Brown?
I love it when "progressives" brag about how all the "smart" people are progressive and that's why states like California, Illinois and Massachusetts vote progressive. That's BS. It's the uneducated welfare class that makes blue states blue, not their Ph'Ds.
The Democratic Party is made up of three parts. Cargo-cultists, i.e,. those that think Obama "will pay my mortage and put gas in my car", the smartest people in the room and the ignorant. Those engineers who voted for the status quo are certainly smart, and you my friend fall into the ignorant class.
those that think Obama "will pay my mortage and put gas in my car",
I wish some enterprising reporter would look that woman up and find out how Hope and Change is working out for her.
Dust Bunny Queen said...
California run by the Hermaphrodite Party.
Not that there's anything wrong with that!
(Normally I would never make a Seinfeld quote... I must still be recovering from last night...)
It's the uneducated welfare class that makes blue states blue, not their Ph'Ds.
Yesterday, 348,000 voters turned out to vote. There are 13,000 households on welfare in Santa Clara County. Thus the 2:1 margin by which Democrats are favored in Silicon Valley cannot be explained by the welfare population, even if they were all registered, and even if they all turned out to vote. (Total voter registration is 779,000, so less than half of eligible voters actually voted.)
FLS:
Are you that stupid? Let's do some math. There are approximately 37 million people in California. (falling every day) The number of people who voted yesterday constituted less then 1% of state's population. So if Boxer/Brown got 2/3 of the vote then that's .6%. It's in the roundoff error.
The state is blue because of the welfare class and the public servants who feed off them. There are no longer enough productive people and enterprises left in the state to turn it red. The exodus will continue until the state collapses
Maybe it means Johnson is going to nail a copy of Atlas Shrugged on Obama's door?
October 31 was Reformation Sunday. Johnson better hurry - he's already 3 days late.
Are you that stupid? Let's do some math. There are approximately 37 million people in California.
Interesting fact, but not relevant to a discussion of Santa Clara County.
"Being a red state, does that mean we finally will be getting a Waffle House franchise?"
If they do, order the pork chop dinner.
Mmmmmm
FLS:
Look moron, we are talking p0olitical demographics of California not one county.
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