[Eboo Patel, a founder and director of Interfaith Youth Core, a Chicago-based community service program] explained, “After Sept. 11, we had a Republican president who had the confidence and trust of red America, who went to a mosque and said, ‘Islam means peace,’ and who said ‘Muslims are our neighbors and friends,’ and who distinguished between terrorism and Islam.”So Bush was better, but somehow the problems are still the Republicans' fault.
Now, unlike Mr. Bush then, the politicians with sway in red state America are the ones whipping up fear and hatred of Muslims, Mr. Patel said.
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"Some Muslims said their situation felt more precarious now..."
"... under a president who is perceived as not only friendly to Muslims but is wrongly believed by many Americans to be Muslim himself — than it was under President George W. Bush."
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Sometimes just before death, people can become incoherent, but it's best to just smile and try to remember them as they were when they were healthy.
Of course it's the Republican's fault:
Oprah's a liberal Democrat.
Maybe this quote helps explain it? Republicans have "shifted completely away from the Bush administration line on relations with Islam and they've obviously made the political calculation that bashing Islam and Muslims is a winning issue for them," said Ibrahim Hooper, spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, who blamed the "tea party movement [for] liberating the inner bigot in people."
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0810/41076.html#ixzz0yluhVQxP
What a con man!
Not the Bush thing, but the "bigotry and fear" huckster!
I think that you can reliably identify a covert Muslim jihadi when they resort to gaming the bigotry scam.
So, the one thing that you can guarantee, based on this article, is that this Eboo Patel SOB is covertly linked to the jihadis in one way or another.
The jihadis know how to play the game!
And, we've got a phalanx of useful idiots who are ready and willing to be played.
Let's hear it, OmegaLiberal, garage, HenHouse, etc.
Of course, Robert Cookie isn't even hiding beneath the radar. He's pro-Hamas, pro-jihad and proud of it. That old Stalinist doesn't care what horse he's riding as long as he can wage war against the U.S.
Crack,
That was an inspired photo text montage.
I'm coming around more to your way of looking at things every day.
You ought to check out our cults in Woodstock. A constantly changing cast of clowns.
The best ever were the Rajneeshies. Check them out.
Bush stood for universal human rights.
"Now, unlike Mr. Bush then, the politicians with sway in red state America are the ones whipping up fear and hatred of Muslims..."
No, I think Muslims are managing this without any outside help.
And considering a majority of New Yorkers don't want the GZM and their blue runs pretty deep, I'd say his premise is fatally flawed.
Mr. Patel said.So Bush was better, but somehow the problems are still the Republicans' fault."
Thank you for presenting a nice "non-biased" assessment piece for the right wing to smile about.
the only anti-muslim shouting seems to be coming from the right side of the aisle if you haven't noticed. simply, the republicans have played the religious hate card and the whisper campaign to the limit and if you have to lie and distort to win, then i guess that is what you do. the old "if you have one arrow in your bag you shoot it" applies.
Anyone for a bit of truthy truth???
roesch, you are being used and lied to, but maybe you don't mind.
This nation was attacked by Muslims, we see them everyday burning our flag and doing whatever they can to provoke us, yet there have been virtually no retaliations against Muslim here. Even when Muslims continue to murder Americans on our soil and attempt to murder many more regularly. Still no retaliation in the streets.
Clearly, we have some of the most tolerant bigots ever known to mankind. Maybe we need a new word for them.
"Now, unlike Mr. Bush then, the politicians with sway in red state America are the ones whipping up fear and hatred of Muslims, Mr. Patel said."
Mr. Patel, simple one word question for you: Evidence?
I get how annoyed people were at Bush constantly going on about the Religion of Peace but I've said before...
...he also was pretty clear about who the Enemy is and was more that willing to call it Islamic extremism or jihad.
Also, I always saw his Religion of Peace rhetoric as a direct response to Bin Laden's purposes, which was to radicalize the Muslim world by provoking us into attacking Islam in general. Bush refused to do that and insisted on framing the war issue to specifically exclude those people Bin Laden wanted to include.
Obama (and a whole lot of people who really like him) doesn't like to express things in clear black and white. It's anti-intellectual or something.
But what seems to be happening is that when he won't use those strong terms that Bush was willing to use, the lines become more blurred for everyone.
I did mind that I was lied to about the need for war with Iraq, when I thought the enemy was in Tora Bora, and I am well aware that radical fundamentalist are a threat to my life style as well as that of the many Muslims-- the killing of Muslim by this group is a daily occurrence, but I do not consider myself at war with a billion and half of its followers.
Roesch,
How many times did Muslims attack the WTC in the name of Islam? How many times have Muslims attacked non-military American targets abroad in the name of Islam? How many times have Muslims attacked civilian targets around the world in the name of Islam?
This has absolutely nothing to do with Republicans or Democrats or votes, and everything to do with a so-called "extremist minority" that seems to be awfully large and able to kill thousands upon thousands of people worldwide in the name of their religion.
That's the reality. Address it or leave the conversation to adults and not the kids at Politico.
"the politicians with sway in red state America are the ones whipping up fear and hatred of Muslims, Mr. Patel said"
How wonderfully vague Mr. Patel is. It is not that he doesn't want to name-names, no--heaven forbid that. It is that he hasn't got any names to name.
the only anti-muslim shouting seems to be coming from the right side of the aisle if you haven't noticed. simply, the republicans have played the religious hate card and the whisper campaign to the limit and if you have to lie and distort to win, then i guess that is what you do. the old "if you have one arrow in your bag you shoot it" applies.
Right on cue, useful idiot HenHouse!
The braindead idiocy of the HenHouse and the other useful idiots is truly inspirational!
Why do you despise your own country, HenHouse?
Why do you keep strategizing for yet another successful jihadi attack on New York City?
I've known so many shitheads like you that think they are inspired by principle. That halo you like to preen long ago shrunk down and began to squeeze your skull. That must be the source of the brain damage.
At the core, you are so rotten, and so traitorous... and it's just stupidity. There's nothing obviously to be done about it.
You still haven't trumped your "Muslims are the new Jews" idiot line. That may have been one of the top ten stupid statements in the history of the internet.
Looking to beat that one today?
As Henry Miller said: "Against stupidity, we are helpless."
I can wait to read the next line of idiocy you write. Inspired, suicidal idiocy of your sort is a form of genius.
Is this the evidence of superior IQ you've been boasting about?
You have reached the virtual zenith (or is it nadir?) of idiocy, HenHouse. I salute your grand, eloquent stupidity.
Any words of advice for the tens of thousands of New Yorkers likely to die from a dirty nuclear bomb attack in the next decade?
For a moment, consider the "ground zero" mosque.
The lines are blurred. It doesn't even matter to the "right thinkers" if those wanting to build the community center are "good" Muslims or "bad" Muslims, because those distinctions are simplistic, the only thing they can do is promote the building to prove they're among the "right thinking"... everyone who isn't is a bigot and motivated by bigotry.
There is no middle ground and no nuance. The person who thinks that the community center is *rude* or points out that those promoting it are *insensitive*, well they're just as much a hateful bigot as anyone else.
But pushing all reasonable people into the extremist bigot camp isn't the cause of the increased tension or feelings of insecurity, of feeling "more precarious" now, oh no, because people have only two stark choices... right thinking or hateful bigotry.
Darn good thing that Obama refuses to name Islamic extremism, terrorism, and fundamentalist jihad. Can't have that simplistic black and white crap when we could be thoughtful instead.
Bah.
"I do not consider myself at war with a billion and half of its followers."
Neither do those being called bigots. What people believe and what the left thinks and says they believe have nothing in common. It's a lie, a ploy, a strategy employed because it's easier to hate people when you imagine them as evil.
Hate and bigotry is what it is, even if it's in the name of hating bigotry. The practice of bigotry has always required a dishonest assessment of the other.
The last year has been nothing if not an exposure of the dishonest labels the left has tried to attach to people who have shown no violence nor hatred, even in the face of unrelenting provocation.
This can no longer be claimed as ignorance. At this point it can only be unalloyed agenda and hatred. Congratulations for becoming what you despise.
Hey House: If people are frightened of Muslims, guess whose fault that is??? Not the Tea Party folks, but the Muslims themselves, who go around blowing up buildings, beheading people, stoning women, and generally, committing mayhem and murder. After all, Mohamed said on his deathbed to his followers: "Kill all the nonbelievers." So why would not people be just a tad nervous about Muslims anyway.
HDHouse - "the only anti-muslim shouting seems to be coming from the right side of the aisle if you haven't noticed. simply, the republicans have played the religious hate card"
Leave it to Hen House. If you don't LOVE all religions as moral and societal equals....why, by the Sacred Parchment Itself..you are a hater! A hater!
Since all religion is, is simply ideology with a divine component to it, then by Hen House's logic, any criticism of facism and communism must also be "playing the hate card".
The Left has gravely overplayed the hate, bigotry, racism cards. At one point, it was sufficient to trump all debate and send the accused surrying to defend themselves that God forbid, they weren't such racist, bigoted, hateful folks and BEG liberals to forgive them. Then we got to the point where the rest of society just shut down having a dialog with the left since once race, bigot, and hate cards got thrown - people finally recognized it was just an aggressive tactic.
Now we are at the "fuck you" point.
Jews got to this point when they overplayed the "anti-Semitism" card in Europe. As in, any criticism of Israel or the greedy pack of lawyers suing guilty European nations, towns, and companies for "Holocaust reparations" went to the "Anti-Semite" well once too often.
The Green Movements screams of massive looming doom unless we went to a totalitarian Green-controlled life down to what lightbulbs and sandwich wrappers we could use? Credibility was shredded in Al Gore's hysteria, uncovery that politicians like him and big company's were positioning to get wealthy by controlling a cut of the action on society's goods and services mix. The East Anglia scandal that kept on spreading. Now the BP spill - billed as the "Greatest Environmental Disaster in History" with all the screams of dead oceans, species exterminations, fishing banned 200 years, and a biodegradable dishwasher-like cleaner billed as "Corexit, the Dispersant of Doom!!!!!!!".
Now we have the Left positioning as ardent Muslim defenders.
To me, that is a huge mistake on the part of the Left. It erases Bush's stupid "Mullahs and women of cover are just folks like us" mess. And Bush's naive belief that Muslims just want democracy, our precious Sacred Parchment as their own Constitutions, and plenty of free nation-building from America's unlimited wealth.
It aligns the Left as "owners" of Muslim behavior as the prime defenders of Muslim actions.
Let's get back to the point.
HenHouse already has cast his cards. His advice to New Yorkers: "Better DEAD than politically incorrect!"
There is no doubt in my mind that this Eboo Patel SOB is a covert Jihadi.
The Jihadis know how to play the bigot sucker game against the west, and they are playing it with a vengeance.
And, they've got a lot of useful idiots helping them out.
Stoning women, killing daughters, murdering thousands in the name of Islam, silence from the faithful. Yeah its some old redneck's fault we don't trust you.
The left has run out of bullets, but they keep on cocking and firing anyway. The problem for them is that once you aim and pull the trigger, the fact that the chamber is empty doesn't change your intent. We know who hates now, we know what they will do to hold on to power. The Democrats have lost their minds, not to mention their political sense. Next goes the trust, and with it the power.
The question isn't if Mr. Patel's perceptions are valid, only if they are common or uncommon. "Some Muslims said their situation felt more precarious now..."
So is "some" just a couple odd fellows or a general, significant feeling?
RV wants to say it's because of political calculation and HD continues to insist that everything happens in a vacuum and blames "whisper campaigns", but neither for even a moment addresses the perception as something important in itself.
People behave according to their perceptions far more than they do according to facts.
But I've never noticed that the party of "nuance" and thoughtfulness ever considers that.
Bush took a lot of grief from conservatives and got no credit from liberals, but if moderate Muslims and the Religion of Peace was a fantasy, darn it, he was going to create it simply through the power of repeated assertion because it was *necessary* that it exist.
Obama gives us mush.
shoutingthomas said...
"Any words of advice for the tens of thousands of New Yorkers likely to die from a dirty nuclear bomb attack in the next decade?"
Duck and cover?
@shoutingthomas...
all posturing aside, you can't be that inflammed...mygod...you sound absolutely crazy...absolutely insane..
it has to be an act.
What's insane, HenHouse, is you idiot insistence that the U.S. doesn't even have the right to defend itself against the jihadis.
But, then again, you're too dumb to even comprehend that that's what your doing.
Superior IQ fer sure!
Republican president who had the confidence and trust of red America, who went to a mosque and said, ‘Islam means peace,’
Not so fast. Those of us who supported Bush rolled our eyes at all the "Islam is a religion of peace" nonsense.
`The Eboo Patel's are playing you for a sucker, HenHouse.
Not a very difficult task.
You're practically begging to be conned.
Some muslims belong to the Taliban
The Taliban was behind 9-11
All muslims were behind 9-11.
True of False
oh and ShoutingThomas, couple suggestions:
1. for isn't spelled fer and
2. if you scream a little louder everyone will hear you but fewer will pay attention...its kinda an inverse thing...
ya'betcha!
HenHouse, you are suicidally stupid.
You're being played for a sucker, and you are one.
Your questions are too foolish and irrelevant to bother with.
How did you become such a suicidal blockhead?
Of course, you are advising suicide for other people, not for yourself.
RV - maybe bashing Muslims makes sense because they deserve it? Remember how the Palis celebrated on 9/11?
shoutingthomas - thanks for keeping up the good fight against the bigot-mongers.
"a Chicago-based community service program"
If he points any blame to Democrats, he's liable to get his service program tossed right out of the community.
I watched the Stoning of Soraya M last night.
Religion of peace my ass.
If that's peace, I will fight it to the death.
I watched the Stoning of Soraya M last night.
It didn't happen. Especially if Ritmo doesn't believe it happened, it doesn't exist. Didn't you know Ritmo is a God and we must worship HIM?
GMary, I thought the focus of this blog question, posted by Ann Althouse in her usual way of framing the question, was why Muslims felt their situation more precarious with Obama as president. I framed my response with a question mark citing a quote from an America Muslim as a possible explanation. I was not calling anyone a bigot as I am for religious tolerance in the manner that Voltaire was and agree with G.W.Bush's notion towards Muslims, after all is he close friends with many of them. Further I am well aware of the need to protect myself and my country form the extremist, which is why I support treating them as criminals rather than as a huge horde, all Muslims, to be feared. Cooperation between countries and law enforcement agents seems to be working based on the number of arrests in Europe for example.
The Mosque is a deliberate provocation.
So what are people so surprised that it provoked people?
So Bush was better, but somehow the problems are still the Republicans' fault.
Because they obviously weren't trying to blame everything under the sun on him at the time you dummy.
shoutingthomas said...
"Of course, you are advising suicide for other people..."
please don't let me get in your way...
The NYT really can dish out the white liberal guilt, can't they? I don't think they're capable of any other mode of thinking.
Back in the real world, American Muslims are not cowering in fear and there is no pitchfork-wielding mob of angry white Republicans forming to come after them.
Maguro said...
"...there is no pitchfork-wielding mob of angry white Republicans forming to come after them."
right you are. the mob carries tea bags with the intent of tannic aciding everyone to death or killing them with boredom.
Ah yes, the USA is ever so hateful towards Muslims of all kinds.
Why, we've pay to renovate and repair mosques and minarets overseas. We've paid for an evangelical preacher to travel overseas and spread the word of how kind and gentle Islam is; well, an Imam is a kind of preacher, kind of. We maintain a strict separation of church from state except when we wish to bind Islam to the state in the name of expediency, as long as a Christian religion is not involved. So, I guess we can beg forgiveness from the Muslims we've grievously injured from our callous and indifferent ways.
May we change our nastiness and become more understanding and tolerant of Muslims regardless of their behaviors.
Cheers, all you fellow dhimmis.
Well when some idiots confuse the Taliban with the general Muslim population it may be hard for some to understand.
The reaction to one US President who is a tough opponent that draws a line and backs up his word is one thing. You may slander him as part of the game. But upon meeting the next US President that talks like he plans to seek peace yet wages war on Moslems...and says one thing Monday and another thing Friday can be disconcerting. The Muslims, as insane as they can be about their miserable religion, still understand real truth and real lies in a war...and frankly they felt safer with Bush's attitude towards Islam. Who the heck knows what a Marxist serial liar really means for anybody's future.
"Jews got to this point when they overplayed the "anti-Semitism" card in Europe."
Was that before or after Europeans murdered 6 million of them, Fudd?
"Ah yes, the USA is ever so hateful towards Muslims of all kinds."
FBI statistics show that 2/3 of all religiously-motivated hate crimes are committed against Jews. So I guess that makes Jews the "old Muslims" bwahaha. In fact there are about as many hate crimes against *Christians* as against Muslims.
PS - I'm quoting you Doug but I know you meant this ironically.
Just for kicks and giggles I'd like to ask those who support the mosque building next near the world trade center crater in New York on the basis of freedom of religion, how they feel about some church having a koran buring in Florida on the basis of free speech.
Denying the absolute right to free speech and *promoting* that is central to our American identity, after all.
GR: Sarcastically, not ironically! But, then everything is forgiven, just come home to America!
"But they said some young American Muslims were questioning how they could simply sit by and watch the promised desecration."
I say, "Welcome to the club, pal! Does the name Piss Christ mean anything to you? That's how the majority religion here gets treated; what makes you expect to something different for your particular sacred values?"
Doug, I think you were being sarcastic (cutting) *and* ironic (deliberately saying the opposite of what you meant as the rest of your post showed).
Example of sarcastic irony:
"Wow, Obama's doing a fantastic job on the economy, isn't he? Look at how much the unemployment rate has come down! The Democrats should win in a landslide this November!"
What have Muslims done to reassure us?
To alter Rorschach's phrase, warning, we're not stuck here with Muslims, Muslims are stuck here with us.
Synova said...
Just for kicks and giggles I'd like to ask those who support the mosque building next near the world trade center crater in New York on the basis of freedom of religion, how they feel about some church having a koran buring in Florida on the basis of free speech."
Free speech is free speech. doesn't mean you have to listen to it or obey it. It can be absolutely stupid (see shoutingthomas or fen) or whatever, but it is free and aside from the fire in the crowded theater setting...well it has to be.
Geoff Matthews said...
What have Muslims done to reassure us?"
Just for grins and giggles, where does it say that Muslims have to reassure us about anything? The Taliban is another issue but I wouldn't bank on that one. Muslims. Not so much.
According to Moslems, the Koran has to be written in Arabic. Translations don't count. What's the likelihood that the church in question is aware of this and has 'real' Korans to burn? Probably not much.
Maybe a loophole the State Dept can use to mollify Moslems in the world. They are such sticklers for details, it might work.
@keninsc...
you support the burning? really?
I would have more sympathy for the plight of American Muslims if they didn't consistently slander genuine and honest disagreement as "Islamophobia". I don't think women should have to bundle themselves up like walking corpses. Islamophobia! I'm pretty wary of mosques that promote hateful speech against Jews and other non-Muslims. Islamophobia! I absolutely think a mosque built 560 feet from Ground Zero is an insensitive thumb in the eye of the American public. Islamophobia!
When American Muslims wake up and admit they haven't done enough to curb the violence-loving radicals in their midst, then I'll be the first one to defend them against bigots. Until then, they're on their own.
Yet it's funny that rv, Alpha, Ritmo and company share in this notion that America is this horrible, Islamophobe country.
RV: Further I am well aware of the need to protect myself and my country form the extremist, which is why I support treating them as criminals rather than as a huge horde, all Muslims, to be feared. Cooperation between countries and law enforcement agents seems to be working based on the number of arrests in Europe for example.
At the same time, in some of those countries, expressing "Islamophobia" is a criminal offense. So apparently dealing with Islamic extremism via law enforcement is not incompatible with viewing Muslims in general as a scary horde of bullies to be appeased and pandered to, rather than as mostly sensible, moderate individuals capable of functioning normally in secular civil society.
(So that grievance-hustler Ibrahim Hooper is still around, being reverently quoted by MSM donkeys? When I saw your link to that clown I thought you were making some subtle joke I couldn't figure out.)
More and more Americans are becoming aware of the insidious, dubplicitous and lying nature of Islamists feigning "good will" when in fact they are practicing "stealth jihad".
Yes, these Muslims who follow the literal interpretation of the Koran, Sira and Hadith, want to DESTROY and/or subjugate kafirs (non-Muslims).
Their skulking behavior and methodoligy with the assistance of dhimmi liberals in New York City is becoming so obvious that the American People can smell the "skunk".
Muslim are starting to see that tolerance is a two way street in America. You can't demand sensitivity and tolerance of your cultural differences while trampling upon others with no care for their feelings. That starts an immediate defensive reaction to Americans who see it as arrogant, unjust, and downright unfriendly.
Will Muslim-Americans learn the lesson that non-Muslims have feelings and rights as well, or will they simply complain? That is the question we are all waiting to hear the answer to.
I would never have predicted that the rehabilitation of George W Bush would proceed at such a rapid pace.
Obama truly is a miracle worker.
Dewave said...
I would never have predicted that the rehabilitation of George W Bush would proceed at such a rapid pace."
rehab? on what possible grounds? he was an idiot then, is an idiot now and will be an idiot in the future....what is so hard to understand?
Response to Synova: Good question. I support the mosque builders and I don't support the Koran burners.
However, as far as 1st amendment rights go, I support both.
The reason I support one and not the other is simply this:
both the acts will raise emotions, create angst, and pain. The difference however, is in the bigots among both sets.
The bigots among one set will rant and rave and rail and hold protests and rallies and make more hurtful comments, escalate the tensions..and ..hopefully, not much beyond that. Basically, even the so called bigots won't act THAT bigoted.
The bigots in the other set will rant and rave and rail and hold protests and rallies and make more hurtful comments, escalate the tensions..and ..attack businesses, shatter glass store fronts and kill innocents that they perceive are aligned in ANY way to the "other" group.
So..again, to answer your question - why do I support the mosque builders but not the Koran burners? because America is better than Saudi Arabia. And because less bigoted is better than more bigoted.
I hope that answer, from a liberal, goes some way towards answering your very good question.
Having said that, if the church in Florida decides that the only way they can be heard is by burning Korans, then by all means they should go for it. And, one hopes that being a house of worship, they will have the maturity to recognize and accept the consequences of their decision as well - even if they are not the perpetrators of the hateful events that may or may not occur as a result of the burnings.
Again, to be clear, if their actions result in any violence - it is NOT their fault. it is the fault of the perpetrators. It is still, however, causally related.
I think the problem is that we have a terrorist incident every 3-6 months within the United States. They don't all work, but they keep happening.
This much violence out of such a tiny minority is why the majority has become hostile to Muslims. Scratch that-- this much political violence. It's not just going postal.
We can argue that it's irrational to blame a group for the acts of individuals, but I think that the continuing terrorism is what explains the growing hostility. If the terrorism wasn't there, or if it was foreign, it would be different.
I think that the relatively effective ban on talking in public about Muslim terrorism in the US during the last ten years simply pent up a lot of anger that otherwise would have worked itself out. Media simply will not deal with the topic even now.
"I would never have predicted that the rehabilitation of George W Bush would proceed at such a rapid pace."
What rehabiliation?!
Bush is still the same ignorant, disastrous disgrace to his office he always was, still a mass murderer and torturer and creep.
That Obama's presidency is floundering because he has chosen to emulate rather than repudiate Bush's pandering to the right-wing lunatics who have taken over the Republican party, that he has chosen to maintain and expand most of Bush's war policies rather than condemn them and seek criminal investigations of those who effected them, that he is as in thrall to the corporate swine who are destroying our economy as was Bush--in short, that Obama looks bad now does now rehabilitate Bush even in appearances, as his failures are a continuation of Bush's failures.
"I think the problem is that we have a terrorist incident every 3-6 months within the United States. They don't all work, but they keep happening."
???!!!
Some cites please..."every 3 to 6 months"? "They don't all work?" "They keep happening?"
Post-9/11, what terrorist incident has successfully taken place in America?
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