Althouse: "The homosexual agenda has been carefully crafted and packaged to change the way Americans think about homosexuality."

१६ एप्रिल, २००९

"The homosexual agenda has been carefully crafted and packaged to change the way Americans think about homosexuality."

(Background on the video here.)

९३ टिप्पण्या:

KCFleming म्हणाले...: I was going to write something but realized that I shouldn't.

Forgive me, Two Fathers, for I have sinned.; १६/४/०९, ६:५६ AM
rhhardin म्हणाले...: Agenda must be from agare, I was instantly thinking. Must look it up.

ctl/t google what's this bunch of scandavian stuff....

Ah, second conjugation, agere. To do.

It's good to know where things come from.; १६/४/०९, ७:०३ AM
TMink म्हणाले...: I feel like Leonard Pinth-Garnell. I could not make it very far in the vide. That was truly bad.

Trey; १६/४/०९, ७:११ AM
KCFleming म्हणाले...: True; I made it as far as 1:42 before sliding into ennui.; १६/४/०९, ७:१७ AM
American Liberal Elite म्हणाले...: I think the narrator is moonlighting from his job as a hypnotist.; १६/४/०९, ७:२४ AM
KCFleming म्हणाले...: It's a lefty agenda anyway.

Race, gender, and sexuality are merely used as it fits the plan, then put aside.; १६/४/०९, ७:२७ AM
MadisonMan म्हणाले...: First, claim to be a victim. Taking a page from the homosexual's book, it seems.

I didn't get all the way through either. Liberal Elite's 7:24 comment made me guffaw.; १६/४/०९, ७:२९ AM
Moose म्हणाले...: MM-

You got it. Its amusing as the claims of this video are about as content free as the claims of gays being oppressed.

I think we need to mount a campaign to fight the oppression of people wearing jeans and shorts!!

*sheesh*; १६/४/०९, ७:३३ AM
Peter V. Bella म्हणाले...: All agendas are carefully crafted and packaged to change the way people think. For good or bad, it is called propaganda; just like this piece. Looks like Bernays is still as relevant today as he was in the 1920s.; १६/४/०९, ७:४३ AM
Peter V. Bella म्हणाले...: ही टिप्पणी लेखकाना हलविली आहे.; १६/४/०९, ७:४५ AM
Peter V. Bella म्हणाले...: If a Koran was thrown into the trash there would have been a fatwa and jihad. Those people know how to protect religion.; १६/४/०९, ७:४६ AM
Beta Conservative म्हणाले...: This video is pretty awful, but normalizing all liberal positions and portraying anything conservative as oppressive and downright mean spirited is the goal of public education from K-5 through PhD programs.

I think it's a shame that the folks who produced this piece make such an easy target out of those who worry about the direction of schooling in America.; १६/४/०९, ७:५१ AM
MadisonMan म्हणाले...: I'm trying to figure out where it came from, just from the scenery. I'm thinking Massachusetts, or the northeast somewhere, because of the reference to Patriots' Day. If it's really been shot lately, I'll say northern climes -- no leaves on the trees, and the shadows suggest that the sun is pretty low in the sky.

Love the french nails on the teacher. Very realistic.; १६/४/०९, ७:५१ AM
Ernesto Ariel Suárez म्हणाले...: To all the "victims" out there:

Get off the cross, Maries, we need the wood...

And get the eff over yourselves.; १६/४/०९, ८:०४ AM
ricpic म्हणाले...: You don't "think" about homosexuality. You have a visceral reaction to it. That is if you're not brainwashed.; १६/४/०९, ८:०६ AM
I'm Full of Soup म्हणाले...: Language is the main victim when age old words and institutions like marriage are re-defined.

Perhaps one day I will brag that I can slam dunk a basketball even if I have to use a ladder.; १६/४/०९, ८:१० AM
अनामित म्हणाले...: when we use "age old words and institutions like marriage" to define the parameters of the relationship between our government and its citizens, then sometimes words have to be redefined. for example, perhaps to AJ's disappointment, "chattel" no longer includes human slaves.; १६/४/०९, ८:३३ AM
The Crack Emcee म्हणाले...: TMR's position on this can be found here. It's not unlike the comments, here, so far.

Bravo!; १६/४/०९, ८:३४ AM
अनामित म्हणाले...: So, that was the typically evangelical approach, on which I will not comment further.

But here is one example of the Mormon view and analysis to the foundational issues, given by a prescient Mormon leader back in 1978, and discussed in the more substantive way in which Mormons typically speak.; १६/४/०९, ८:३५ AM
Michael Haz म्हणाले...: I stopped watching at 1:43, the point at which the domme teacher dressed in black and wearing high heels applied tape to the mouths of the students as they were entering the school. Creepy.; १६/४/०९, ८:४३ AM
kjbe म्हणाले...: We’re always the reasonable, tolerant one, aren’t we? As I turned away from the video, just listening to the audio, for a moment, I realized that it could have been any self-described oppressed group speaking to me.

Cripes. I guess it all depends on which side of the fence you're standing on.; १६/४/०९, ८:४५ AM
अनामित म्हणाले...: Everyone else's agenda is just sort of thrown out there, and they don't care whether you're persuaded or not. Those nefarious homos always have to be different!; १६/४/०९, ८:४५ AM
John Althouse Cohen म्हणाले...: The right-wing agenda has been carefully crafted and packaged to use the words "homosexual" and "homosexuality" as much as possible.

Never "gay" or "lesbian," always "homosexual" and "homosexuality."

It pushes people's buttons, because it combines the slur "homo" with "sexual" (because, according to the right-wing agenda, homosexual relationships are all about sex, unlike normal relationships, which are about romance and love and family). Homosexual, homosexual ... homosexual! Doesn't it send shivers down your spine at the depravity of it all? It just sounds so ... sexual!; १६/४/०९, ८:४७ AM
MadisonMan म्हणाले...: Careful, JAC, you'll give ricpic a visceral reaction.; १६/४/०९, ९:०२ AM
Palladian म्हणाले...: "You don't "think" about homosexuality. You have a visceral reaction to it."

That's true. Whenever I think about fucking a well-built young man's firm round ass, I get a very visceral reaction...; १६/४/०९, ९:०६ AM
KCFleming म्हणाले...: Palladian always makes me laugh.; १६/४/०९, ९:११ AM
Palladian म्हणाले...: Oh here comes John Althouse Cohen, the straight Althouse boy, trying to turn "homosexual" into a slur.

It's so embarrassing when straight liberals try to stand up for me.

Look, I don't like the word "homosexual" either, but for linguistic and aesthetic reasons. It's a clumsy Frankenstein monster of a word, an inartful combination of Greek and Latin. But as a descriptor, it's no better or worse, nor positive or negative than the stupid term "gay". I think we should switch to using the term "cock craving dude" for male homosexuals and "labia loving lady" for female homosexuals. Or use the ones I use: dykes and faggots, said in the nicest way possible.; १६/४/०९, ९:१३ AM
Zachary Sire म्हणाले...: To all the "victims" out there:

Get off the cross, Maries, we need the wood...

And get the eff over yourselves.

You know, while there are a lot of us who should observe this, try telling it to the gay kids who are killing themselves because of ridicule or fear or abuse or, most likely, their evangelical surroundings.; १६/४/०९, ९:३७ AM
KCFleming म्हणाले...: Not to mention gay Muslims who are hanged or buried under stones.; १६/४/०९, ९:४४ AM
MadisonMan म्हणाले...: Labia-lovin' lady, or LLL, works. How about cock craving chap or CCC, instead of dude.; १६/४/०९, ९:४७ AM
The Dude म्हणाले...: Hold it, JAC is the straight son? If so, why does he hang around his mother's blog so much? Seems kind of stereotypical, if you know what I mean.; १६/४/०९, ९:५७ AM
Cedarford म्हणाले...: Palladian said...
"You don't "think" about homosexuality. You have a visceral reaction to it."

That's true. Whenever I think about fucking a well-built young man's firm round ass, I get a very visceral reaction...But enough about your students..

Indoctrination of the young before their beliefs are set is Quite Effective.

N Koreans carefully fed diets of carefully packaged propaganda as kids fully believe how Kim Il-Sung and 'Lil Kim are all what is good in their lives.
No different with Stalin worship and the Hitler Youth.
America was very foolish to let the Left rear their children ideologically.
Now we have American kids and adults up into their 40s convinced that:
1. Government can solve all what ails them.
2. Miracle exciting, almost free, solar power is poised to give us a wonderful green planet where the polar bears flourish and the evil Saudis will have no one still wanting their oil.
3. Martin Luther King was the greatest American ever. A possible God.
4. All war is bad, it never solves anything, and there is something psychologically wrong with people that want to be soldiers. But that they deserve our full suppport, much as an AIDs victim does.
5. And so on.; १६/४/०९, १०:०२ AM
Richard Fagin म्हणाले...: ही टिप्पणी लेखकाना हलविली आहे.; १६/४/०९, १०:०९ AM
Richard Fagin म्हणाले...: I'm already rooting for the Chicoms to put President Obama back under his rock before the country goes bankrupt. I'm about to start rooting for the jihadists so they can put out fatwas on the rest of the enemies of Western civilization. Wonder what the gay/feminist/environmentalist/porn producing crowd will do when threatened with death by stoning, all the while claiming it is we Americans who are intolerant and bigoted?; १६/४/०९, १०:१० AM
Palladian म्हणाले...: "You know, while there are a lot of us who should observe this, try telling it to the gay kids who are killing themselves because of ridicule or fear or abuse or, most likely, their evangelical surroundings."

Too bad you didn't grow up Baptist.; १६/४/०९, १०:१३ AM
Kylos म्हणाले...: I'm sure I'm transgressing some implicit understanding of western civilization, but I fail to see the negative connotations of the term "homosexual". It gets right to the point. Really, without the sex, the relationship fails to be gay. Same-sex relationships can take many different forms, but without a sexual nature, it's just a friendship. So, homosexual, to me is the most apt word, since it gets to the point.

Oh, and Palladian, I may have misinterpreted your meaning, but I don't think visceral is quite the word you're looking for.; १६/४/०९, १०:२६ AM
hdhouse म्हणाले...: speechless.; १६/४/०९, १०:२७ AM
Jason (the commenter) म्हणाले...: I watched the entire thing and found it kind of funny. I liked how the speaker openly says that the day of silence is to fight bullying and harassment. I kept waiting for him to say something like "and that's why this September 15th, we ask everyone to go beat up a homosexual." I don't mind if people don't agree with others being open about their sexual preferences, but to be irritated when a school tries to stop violence against children is ridiculous.

It reminded me of "The Birth of a Nation," specifically the part where the Southerner is outraged that black people want to walk on the same side of the street as him.; १६/४/०९, १०:२७ AM
paul a'barge म्हणाले...: Never "gay" or "lesbian,"go back and re-listen to the video.

The narrator used both of those words.; १६/४/०९, १०:२८ AM
Ernesto Ariel Suárez म्हणाले...: Zach, I grew up in a communist country, same situation. Don't talk to me about ridicule, abuse, oppresion, abuse and fear like I don't fucking know it.; १६/४/०९, १०:२९ AM
KCFleming म्हणाले...: "speechless."

I've always thought mentioning that was an oxymoron, but regardless, I'm grateful in this instance.; १६/४/०९, १०:२९ AM
paul a'barge म्हणाले...: I don't know what else to say except that I buy the "gay agenda" thing 100%.

It's been in the works since the '50's and it's pretty obvious.

There will be no taped mouths in my house tomorrow.; १६/४/०९, १०:३० AM
MadisonMan म्हणाले...: What, is the day of silence tomorrow? I missed a memo from the Indoctrinating School District, apparently.; १६/४/०९, १०:४८ AM
Peter V. Bella म्हणाले...: "hdhouse said...
speechless."

Thank God!!!; १६/४/०९, १०:५१ AM
Jason (the commenter) म्हणाले...: I liked how they talked about the pain of homosexuality; the shorter lifespan, the drug use, the elivated risk of STDs, and the veiled mention of dying of AIDS. But they really should have focused more on the bullying and harassment: Getting beaten up. Having people whack you in the side the head so your ear drum bursts. Being called a fagot. Getting shoved every time you go to your locker and never knowing if the shoving will escalate into a full blown attack. Knowing that lots of people see this happen to you and don't do anything to help. Not being able to tell anyone about what's happening to you because they'll think you're gay, which you aren't even sure about or willing to admit. Being forced by law to go back to the same place where these things happen almost every day of your life. Never not being afraid; of fellow students, teachers, or your parents.

I wonder if these things might be related to the later drug use or suicide risk? Probably doesn't matter, because the pain of being a sinner (even if you aren't religious and don't know you feel that pain) is worse than all those other things. That's what the video seems to say.; १६/४/०९, ११:०५ AM
Sofa King म्हणाले...: "To all the "victims" out there:

Get off the cross, Maries, we need the wood...

And get the eff over yourselves."

You know, while there are a lot of us who should observe this, try telling it to the gay kids who are killing themselves because of ridicule or fear or abuse or, most likely, their evangelical surroundings.

They may not want to hear it, but it's probably the best advice anyone could give them.; १६/४/०९, ११:१२ AM
अनामित म्हणाले...: clark --

for example, perhaps to AJ's disappointment, "chattel" no longer includes human slaves.JTell that to Yemen. And Webster's, by the way. Definition #3.; १६/४/०९, ११:२४ AM
Freeman Hunt म्हणाले...: I'm not sure I see how getting bullied because one is gay is any different than getting bullied because one is poor or homely or tall or short or stupid or smart or whatever.

Shouldn't the Day of Silence just be about bullying in general?

Also, why do schools allow bullying to get so out of hand? I hear stories about other schools, and I'm appalled. At the schools I went to, that stuff didn't fly. I had only one teacher who was, I think, too lenient about it. What sort of culture are schools promoting if they don't make students feel ashamed for acting so uncivilized?; १६/४/०९, १२:०३ PM
Jason (the commenter) म्हणाले...: Victims should get over themselves.

I know some of you may find this hard to believe, but there's a group out there that can't get over one person being nailed to some wood "unjustly" about two thousand years ago. It's practically all they talk about. And when some of their members had bad things happen to them, they went so far as to erect buildings named after them! Clearly, claiming to be a victim wont get you anywhere.; १६/४/०९, १२:१२ PM
hdhouse म्हणाले...: Freeman....just look at the commenters here. If some of the extremists found here were back in junior high (not suggesting that some aren't actually there now) you can see the tactics and, I gather for them, the allure of trying to be the bully.

This entire thing is the all time strawman...nothing other than a warmed over "war on Christmas"/FauxNoise/O'Really? in a new suit. Some on here obviously live in a world of stereotypes and symbolic fears. Others are just knaves and fools.

In this case the supposed cure is far worse than the supposed disease. There will always be a Paul A'barge who can trace the "plot" and conspiracy back to the 50s and all that attendant paranoid crap, and some knee-jerk hitleryouth running around scared shitless and defending themselves with ignorance.

The curse of liberalism is having to put up with and ultimately endure an uneducated and closeminded set of loonies who haven't any sense whatsoever....my father used to call them the "ill-fitting shoe that hobbles society"...and I think he was right.; १६/४/०९, १२:२३ PM
Smilin' Jack म्हणाले...: Palladian said...

Look, I don't like the word "homosexual" either, but for linguistic and aesthetic reasons. It's a clumsy Frankenstein monster of a word, an inartful combination of Greek and Latin.I feel the same way. So I just use the Greek part, homo.; १६/४/०९, १२:२४ PM
Smilin' Jack म्हणाले...: ही टिप्पणी लेखकाना हलविली आहे.; १६/४/०९, १२:२८ PM
Smilin' Jack म्हणाले...: Blogger is still eating line breaks. Can't this be fixed?; १६/४/०९, १२:३० PM
Jason (the commenter) म्हणाले...: "Shouldn't the Day of Silence just be about bullying in general?"

Schools let things like manners slide, then wonder why they have a problem teaching reading and math.

"Also, why do schools allow bullying to get so out of hand?"

If the victims don't get much of a response when they first complain, they just let it happen. Also, there are lots of people around, and if no one from that group comes to your defense you accept the behavior you get as the norm.

That's the type of socialization skills that home-schoolers get to miss.; १६/४/०९, १२:३४ PM
hdhouse म्हणाले...: zedzzed...I must applaud you. There isn't anyone on this board who takes as much time to say so little so often.

This blog is for grown ups. If you don't have the game to be here just try and settle down some. You're not funny nor are you anything other than embarrassing.; १६/४/०९, १:०० PM
Dust Bunny Queen म्हणाले...: @ Jason.

Stopping bullying, violence against anyone who is perceived as different, homosexual, nerdy, mentally handicapped, racially etc and so on.....is a good thing and I doubt that anyone, even evangelical Christians, are against this. In fact tolerance for other people and forgiveness for the sinner is one of the central things that I learned in my early Roman Catholic upbringing.

What they, in this video, are objecting to is the agenda to indoctrinate children against the wishes of their parents and against the teachings of their religion that homosexual (ok have it your way gay) relationships are normal and that to merely object makes you a bigot.

Objecting and disapproving is their right. No one has the right to harass or hurt others, but you can't take away the parent's right to instill their OWN moral values (unless those values are criminal) This is what the push back is on the homosexual agenda.; १६/४/०९, १:०३ PM
AlphaLiberal म्हणाले...: That video is a crock of shit.

Earth Day is "radical environmentalism?" Really? What nonsense. Why is Earth Day "radical?" Because moderate people just love to pollute and foul our nest and anyone against pollution is a radical?

Gee, I thought the Bible told us to be good stewards of the Earth. The Bible must be radical!

And only gays have an "agenda." Certainly not conservatives! (What's so bad about agendas anyway? I won't go to a meeting without one.)

Mouth breathing bullshit.

BTW, here's a funny video spoof of that crazy video of scared conservatives standing out in the field during a lightning storm (hint: don't stand in fields during storms, dumbasses).; १६/४/०९, १:०३ PM
Blue@9 म्हणाले...: Blogger Jason (the commenter) said...

I watched the entire thing and found it kind of funny. I liked how the speaker openly says that the day of silence is to fight bullying and harassment. I kept waiting for him to say something like "and that's why this September 15th, we ask everyone to go beat up a homosexual."

I felt the same way. I can understand not wanting a specific day or one devoted to silence on the topic, but the video made it sound like it was a bad thing that they would want to fight bullying and harassment. It's like "How dare they take away our god-given right to beat up a homo for Jesus!"; १६/४/०९, १:०७ PM
Jason (the commenter) म्हणाले...: Dust Bunny Queen : "Stopping bullying, violence against anyone who is perceived as different, homosexual, nerdy, mentally handicapped, racially etc and so on.....is a good thing and I doubt that anyone, even evangelical Christians, are against this. In fact tolerance for other people and forgiveness for the sinner is one of the central things that I learned in my early Roman Catholic upbringing."

I would expect Christians to be against violence towards children. But when the people who made this video heard about schools trying to stop violence against queers, their only concern was that it was pushing the homosexual agenda. The video mentions both bullying and harassment, but never says there is anything wrong with them.

I assume the people who made the video think "bullying" and "harassment" are just words people use when Christians speak their mind. And the fact the the video tries to sound compassionate towards homosexuals in the most unrealistic way possible, only adds credence to that assumption.; १६/४/०९, १:३३ PM
Chip Ahoy म्हणाले...: This was almost but not quite funny in a Reefer Madness sort of way.

Once again we're treated to that "he died for us" dogmatized misconception. Jesus did not die for us, rather he lived for us, and part of that living was a demonstration to witnesses that we survive the death experience, blowing everybody away so hard that even non-witnesses haven't stopped talking about it lo these two thousand years. The good news of the gospel is God loves you without sacrifice so it is unseemly and it is an indication the lesson is missed by making the crucifixion the central issue, as regrettable and egregious and unnecessarily gruesome a death as imaginable. This is the difference between the Catholic and Protestant crosses displayed in their churches, the emphasis placed on the crucifixion and on the resurrection. You might have picked up that I'm unfit for church.; १६/४/०९, १:३५ PM
AlphaLiberal म्हणाले...: interesting comment, chip. thx.; १६/४/०९, १:४७ PM
former law student म्हणाले...: It pushes people's buttons, because it combines the slur "homo" with "sexual" (because, according to the right-wing agenda, homosexual relationships are all about sex, unlike normal relationships, which are about romance and love and family).

True. J'ever notice you don't see cartons labeled "Homo Milk" in the groceries any more?

I do feel sorry for those who think you can pick a sexual orientation the way you can choose between Coke or Pepsi. Imagine worrying 24/7 that you might suddenly turn gay, like Cary Grant in the fluffy bathrobe.; १६/४/०९, १:४९ PM
hdhouse म्हणाले...: ChipAhoy...nice work and well said.; १६/४/०९, २:०६ PM
The Dude म्हणाले...: What amazing conceit - hdhaus thinks he has "game". He may be gamey, but game? I think not.

He just barely has "English".

But thanks for playing, little fellow.

And for content-free posts, check your own.

Looks like you found your shift key - wow - big improvement. You are now typing at a 4th grade level. Hang in there - maybe someday you will have an original thought, too. It could happen...; १६/४/०९, २:१० PM
The Dude म्हणाले...: And another thing, pay your taxes, bitch.; १६/४/०९, २:१५ PM
Moose म्हणाले...: Good manners vs. politcal correctness:

Keep your sex life to yourself and don't call other people names.

I don't need to approve of your lifestyle choices in order to get along with you. Just keep it to yourself.

*gack*; १६/४/०९, ३:०५ PM
TMink म्हणाले...: I don't know, I do not mind heterosexual. Heck, I don't even mind breeder.

Trey; १६/४/०९, ३:१७ PM
TMink म्हणाले...: DBQ wrote: "Stopping bullying, violence against anyone who is perceived as different, homosexual, nerdy, mentally handicapped, racially etc and so on.....is a good thing and I doubt that anyone, even evangelical Christians, are against this."

Amen.

My Bible says that gay sex (I want to avoid the dreaded H word) is a sin.

My Savior said that my even looking at a woman with lust in my heart is a sin.

The Evangelical position is that everyone is a sinner. The cause is not germain, the solution is.

And I am TOTALLY against bullying anyone. And the video was wretched.

Trey; १६/४/०९, ३:२५ PM
Peter V. Bella म्हणाले...: Hey Alpha,
How about teling us how you feel about that tragic shooting and murder again.; १६/४/०९, ३:५७ PM
Grumpy म्हणाले...: Chips Ahoy: "Once again we're treated to that 'he died for us' dogmatized misconception. Jesus did not die for us, rather he lived for us .... The good news of the gospel is God loves you without sacrifice so it is unseemly and it is an indication the lesson is missed by making the crucifixion the central issue ...."

Interesting. Biblically, theologically and historiographically insupportable, but interesting.; १६/४/०९, ४:०४ PM
Jason (the commenter) म्हणाले...: moose : "Keep your sex life to yourself..."

No way, heterosexuals couldn't do that for even one a week. You will look at pictures of our significant others, listen to stories of misplaced socks and irritating habits, and listen to boring vacation stories. And you will say "uh huh" and nod, etc. as expected!; १६/४/०९, ४:२३ PM
TMink म्हणाले...: "No way, heterosexuals couldn't do that for even one a week."

The only person I have talked to about my sex life for the last few years is my sexual partner.

Before that we talked to our fertility doctor.

And just exactly what do lost socks have to do with sex? I am obviously missing something, but I am not sure it is something I would enjoy.

Trey; १६/४/०९, ४:२७ PM
Dust Bunny Queen म्हणाले...: No way, heterosexuals couldn't do that for even one a week. You will look at pictures of our significant others, listen to stories of misplaced socks and irritating habits, and listen to boring vacation stories. And you will say "uh huh" and nod, etc. as expected!

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None the above has anything to do with sex.; १६/४/०९, ४:२७ PM
KCFleming म्हणाले...: Actually, keeping your sex lives to yourself is pretty common.

I mean, really, ick.
TMI.
Don't tell me.

After age 40, normal adults are able to converse about scads of non-sex topics.

Various manners of minor daily suffering come up alot, for example.; १६/४/०९, ४:३६ PM
former law student म्हणाले...: trey and dbq, jason means married couples are always alluding to the existence of a "husband" or a "wife." This is heterosexual privilege -- few gay people have the cojones to put a picture of their life partner on their desk, or talk about how s/he burned the dinner or shredded the socks.; १६/४/०९, ४:५१ PM
KCFleming म्हणाले...: I'm sure we can legislate that, though, right?; १६/४/०९, ४:५३ PM
KCFleming म्हणाले...: I'd suggest 30 days in the pokey if someone feels uncomfortable bringing up their SO in front of you.

Deal?; १६/४/०९, ५:०६ PM
TMink म्हणाले...: FLS, I was being a bit petulant at the misuse of the word sex.

You are kind to correct me with such civility.

My gay and lesbian friends talk about their SO all the time.

Trey; १६/४/०९, ५:१२ PM
The Dude म्हणाले...: FLS - I have no idea what kind of repressed people you are around, but here gay people are proud of their SO and have pictures of them and talk about them and so on.

Jesus, you must live in a very sad place.

I am glad I am in the the south where gay people can be out and proud.; १६/४/०९, ५:३१ PM
Peter V. Bella म्हणाले...: What we need is a national conversation on sex. Remember when we had that conversation on race during the Clinton years?

NASCAR ratings went through the roof.; १६/४/०९, ६:३४ PM
former law student म्हणाले...: I am glad I am in the the south where gay people can be out and proud.

Key West?; १६/४/०९, ६:३९ PM
The Dude म्हणाले...: North Carolina, you repressed y*nkee, smack dab in the middle of the bible belt.; १६/४/०९, ६:५० PM
Peter V. Bella म्हणाले...: "Some on here obviously live in a world of stereotypes and symbolic fears. Others are just knaves and fools."

From the guy who refers to Texans as crackers. WHat world of stereotypes and symbolic fears do you live in? You are a fucking hypocrite.; १६/४/०९, ७:०४ PM
Dust Bunny Queen म्हणाले...: trey and dbq, jason means married couples are always alluding to the existence of a "husband" or a "wife." This is heterosexual privilege -- few gay people have the cojones to put a picture of their life partner on their desk, or talk about how s/he burned the dinner or shredded the socks.

Oh Baloney.

All the gay couples that I know have no problem using the 'we' word in public that indicates they are part of a two. They discuss their S/O, put photos of their partner and children on their desks, attend baseball games, belong to 4H, socialize right along with everyone else and have no problem telling embarrassing/funny stories about each other.

Granted this is California, but this is also the Reddest of Red State areas that you will find. I doubt that gay couples are cowering in fear across the US about discussing mundane domestic issues like who cooks better and who is sloppy around the house.

There are probably areas of bigotry and intolerance, and I am truly sorry and ashamed for that. BUT!!!!!! there is no need to try to use a giant brush to try to tar everyone else as bigots because there are a few. There is also no need to do the converse and try to paint all gay people as being the flaming weirdos that we see in the Gay Pride parades, when most are just people trying to get along with their lives.

As to talking about domestic issues...seriously...you aren't trying to compare with bringing your sex lives out in public and shoving the particulars of that in the collective public's face? No one should be discussing their sexual practices in public. The ICK factor is too large. Privacy please!!!; १६/४/०९, ७:०७ PM
Dust Bunny Queen म्हणाले...: You know...I just had a further thought on my post that might have some relevance.

The gay couples and singles that live here, are mostly all Conservatives. Political and economic conservatives. Libertarians mostly. Republican and a few moderate Democrats. Socially conservative in that they are not 'flaming' in your face militant gay rights liberal types. They would never "suck face" in public or make overly demonstrative grab ass type of moves that would make everyone uncomfortable. The straight people in the community don't do those things either.

Decorum.....everyone benefits.

Perhaps that has to do with their harmonious acceptance into the community??; १६/४/०९, ७:१८ PM
Palladian म्हणाले...: I still can't stop having a visceral reaction to the naturally-muscled young man with the firm, round ass I was thinking about earlier...

I'm thinking a soccer player. Or maybe rugby, a little beefier...; १६/४/०९, ७:२८ PM
TMink म्हणाले...: Get a room sailor! 8)

Trey; १६/४/०९, ८:२१ PM
hdhouse म्हणाले...: peter v bella....

cracker......cracker....cracker....; १६/४/०९, ८:४५ PM
kentuckyliz म्हणाले...: I have a different take on empty crosses. If there's no nail holes, bloodstains, and the INRI sign on it, Jesus hasn't died for your sins yet. It's not USED! And it's not necessarily Jesus' cross. Romans crucified thousands. How are you sure it's not the cross of some common criminal without the power to save you? Might as well wear an electric chair charm on your necklace.

OK fundamentalists give me the creeps and evangelicals are just way too smarmy. I don't really dig either of those styles of being a Christian. But I am an apostolic Christian and less conventional than the stereotype.

If I had that dominatrix as my teacher, my poster would say

JESUS LOVES FAGS

because it's true and it gets in the face of everybody--the fundamentalists, the evangelicals, the strict secularists, the atheists, the public schools, and some gay people who don't realize yet that Jesus loves them.

I'd rock that classroom.

So the evangelicals hate public school teachers now too...did she have a lip pierce? And black lipstick? And--horror of horrors--an NEA POSTER ON THE WALL!!!!! Must be demon possessed and evil!!!!; १६/४/०९, ८:५६ PM
The Dude म्हणाले...: Oh my, HD - you are really getting articulate I see.

Now be a good boy and pay your taxes. The IRS knows where you live, what your business is called, and what your phone number is. It's best that you go along peacefully.; १६/४/०९, ९:०६ PM
Palladian म्हणाले...: "peter v bella....

cracker......cracker....cracker...."

"Oh my, HD - you are really getting articulate I see."

No, this is what he says to his nurse when he's lost the brick of saltines in the bedclothes. Don't worry, she'll give him his night-time meds soon and he'll be out of commission for at least 12 hours.; १६/४/०९, ९:११ PM
hdhouse म्हणाले...: Oh Palladian certainly you don't want to suit up with with the moron twins...they are 1 stooge short of Moe and you have exhibited some brains here in the past so why ruin it?

Besides, these crackers have zero game past huh huh pull my finger.; १७/४/०९, १:२७ AM
The Dude म्हणाले...: HD - how are you doing? Hope your finances are in tip top shape. Wouldn't want them messy when the IRS pays you a visit.; १७/४/०९, ९:०२ AM