So men have gone from hearing of all the back-biting, clawing, gossiping, shallow, piques that women go through in High School Cliques and we now have them elevated to full-color spreads in major magazines? Face-book friends? Really?
Much like the Althouse-vortex and such in a way... Or like Andrew Sullivan vs. Micky Kaus (which counts as "cat fighting" 'cause sully is a queen.)
Thoreau's Walden, Plato's Cave these are where we go when the hens come out to peck.
"from people who wanted her to renounce herself -- to ...beg the culture's forgiveness."
Ha. An Appeal to Culture. How telling.
In the 1930's, the "culture" had London's fashionable women sporting swastika charms on their bracelets.
Today, its more subtle. Want to be accepted? Want to be considered "hip hop cool" by everyone else? Then convert to our brand. Here are the issues we advocate... here are your talking points. And we're not looking for real anwsers - its more about feeling good about oneself. Pick a cause, shout if from the rooftops, then go back to your decaf latte, MTV and cheap oil economy. Here's a list of poeple you will hate. And here's a demographic of people you will have scorn and contempt for. Be sure to ostracize any non-believers you have in your family or at work. On your way out you can grab your Indulgances - yes, you may have made a pass at the babysitte, but now that you BELIEVE in World Peace, you aren't so bad. Welcome to Liberalism. Welcome to the Democrat[ic] Party.
[...]
Ann, I'm curious if that line jumped out at you? As you usually play the Heretic to their Inquisition.
Thats an answer to the question that's been bothering me for some time: "The Left doesn't really believe in the things they lecture us about, so why are they so passionate about them?"
Fen: Republican or Democrat, they shouldn't be markers for every part of your life. Everything you dislike about a random sub-culture doesn't make it a plank of an opposing party's platform. Only Liberals watch MTV? Republicans can't drink Lattes? Don't be a shill for a political party.
Also, I'm not sure the meme of calling someone a Democrat (party) instead of Democratic (party) means anything. Is the word Democrat party more fun to say than Democratic party? "Ohh! feel that sting progressives!"
I'm sure Roman plebes decried the nose, lip, and face rings that come from India and shook their heads in sadness at the moral decline of body art and tattoos from Africa and Germanic tribes.
So to, plebes now decry....the same things from the same cultures when adopted by youth at home. Your shocked victorian sensibilities inspire boredom.
Why don't you start your sentence with ..."In my day..." Palladian?
Funny story. In Korea where I worked, some western co-workers got up in arms one day when the owner invited us all into a conference room for a prayer before the beginning of the year.
Ohhhh the hue and cry of them, "How dare they evangelize in the workplace!!" If they were invited to a buddhist prayer, or something equally "oriental" they would have done it with relish and posted this "mystical event" on their blog.
I have no point to this story it turns out. I knew I wanted to juxtapose this with the tattoos...oh yeah. If you saw some native new ginneans with tribal markers you'd be all, "wow the women are so beautiful in their own exotic way." Lame Palladian. (which kinda rhymes...)
Everything you dislike about a random sub-culture doesn't make it a plank of an opposing party's platform.
False assumption. I don't lump everything I dislike about a sub-culture onto the opposing party. And my point is that Democrats use peer pressure to keep their own in line, hence the author's Appeal to Culture: beg the culture's forgiveness
Only Liberals watch MTV? Republicans can't drink Lattes?
Don't take it literally. Remember, you're smarter and more nuanced than a mere rube like me. My point wasn't that liberals like MTV or decaff lates, my points is that they need to pretend to care about something other than themselves while indulging their super-sized appetites and american lifestyles. For example, the same crowd that chants "No blood for oil!" will turn around and whine like a bitch about the oil-driven economy...
Also, I'm not sure the meme of calling someone a Democrat (party) instead of Democratic (party) means anything. Is the word Democrat party more fun to say than Democratic party?
No. Its simply a reminder that your party and its leadership is made up of fascists and socialist elites. Hardly democratic, no matter how much rep you might steal from the implication. Which reminds me, when are your super-elites going to choose your nominee?
Challenge for liberal Democrats who still don't get it: tell your liberal friends and family that you've become a Republican. Watch what happens. See if you can last 6 months "not being cool".
First off...you used a post with the word "fascist" So you lose based on the "seven degrees of kevin bacon and hitler". Godwin's Law and all...
"Tell your conservative Baptist parents that you've become a socialist progressive democrat and want to vote for al gore". ---- "point wasn't that liberals like MTV or decaff lates, my points is that they need to pretend to care about something other than themselves while indulging their super-sized appetites and american lifestyles." ---- example: people who think that republican and christian mean the same thing...I don't see many of them giving their belongings to the poor as Christ commanded. Hows that for "pretending to care" and then indulging in "super-sized...lifestyles"
Third point: I'm nott a demcrat (gasp). Voted for Bush twice.
you used a post with the word "fascist" So you lose based on the "seven degrees of kevin bacon and hitler". Godwin's Law and all
A geez. Another idiot who thinks that mentioning anything related to the 1930's somehow invokes Godwin's Law. Maybe you guys went to the same college?
people who think that republican and christian mean the same thing
People like you? Or just you?
I don't see many of them giving their belongings to the poor as Christ commanded. Hows that for "pretending to care" and then indulging in "super-sized...lifestyles"
All fun aside, you should research the stats on Christian charity. I was shocked at how much aid the give the third world.
I'm not a demcrat (gasp).
Right. You're just playing the straight man. And you are SO much a Republican that you felt the need to attack me for attacking the culture that attacks people like you. Such a cute mental pretzel you've wrapped yourself up in.
"So to, plebes now decry....the same things from the same cultures when adopted by youth at home. Your shocked victorian sensibilities inspire boredom.
Why don't you start your sentence with ..."In my day..." Palladian?"
Because this shit started in my day, honey.
My objections to tattoos isn't moral, it's aesthetic. They look terrible. To paraphrase John Waters, that man of delicate Victorian sensibilities, they look ok when you're young and hot but when you get older you just look like an out-of-work Tilt-A-Whirl operator.
I'm sure a retort about "oh well I like them, who are you to judge" is forthcoming, so to that I'll respond: if you think tattoos are beautiful, your aesthetic sensibility is a pile of shit.
Now don't you need to be running along, spraying some argon into opened bottles of pinot noir somewhere? Oxidation is the saggy tattoo of oenophilia.
"I don't see many of them giving their belongings to the poor as Christ commanded. "
Now when Jesus was in Bethany, in the house of Simon the leper, there came unto him a woman having an alabaster box of very precious ointment, and poured it on his head, as he sat at meat. But when his disciples saw it, they had indignation, saying, to what purpose is this waste? For this ointment might have been sold for much, and given to the poor. When Jesus understood it, he said unto them, Why trouble ye the woman? for she hath wrought a good work upon me. For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always.
Thoreau's Walden, Plato's Cave these are where we go when the hens come out to peck.
Did you know Thoreau's mom prepared and brought his meals out to his wooded retreat? His self-reliance was in large part a myth ... like some other things.
can I use that? 'cause that is great (honest). I'd put that on the box if I could. (that jesus example could well show that instead of selling your house and handing cash to the poor you should just give them your house instead...)
Knoxwhirled: I didn't know that, yet strangely not surprised.
aaaand the argon doesn't "spray" into the bottle, the regulator in the unit gently displaces the oxygen because at high velocities/pressure oxygen can mix with nitrogen and argon as well.
The lumbar logo on pretty young things is most displeasing to me because it will fade and spread and spread and fade as years go by, coming to resemble a sort of bruise or injury more than a design.
For when they age, these inkings will be like when menopausal women or half-centuried men attempt to sport the clothes of the moment. Not just their kids are horrified.
As it stands, they serve as an inkblot to the soul. The girl's arm roses say to her "I'm edgy", but to me "I am extremely high maintenance in the doctor's office".
So to, [sic] plebes now decry....the same things from the same cultures when adopted by youth at home. Your shocked victorian sensibilities inspire boredom.
Tattoos and piercings are so mainstream, and (usually) so hideous, it's hardly Victorian to object to them. And who uses the word "plebe" who's not a dweeb.
"The lumbar logo on pretty young things is most displeasing to me because it will fade and spread and spread and fade as years go by, coming to resemble a sort of bruise or injury more than a design."
Ha. I used pretty much this same imagery on my daughter when she wanted to get a tattoo and thought about piercing her nose. I said "Just think how awful it will look when your skin is as saggy and baggy as Mrs. XXXX down the street. You won't be able to tell that butterfly from a buzzard. That teeny hole in your nose now will be big enough to put pipe cleaners in it when you are her age and you proabably will have to do that just to keep it clean. But....hey... if that's what you want to do ......"
"aaaand the argon doesn't "spray" into the bottle, the regulator in the unit gently displaces the oxygen because at high velocities/pressure oxygen can mix with nitrogen and argon as well."
Oh I know. I use argon to gas blanket perfumery materials for similar reasons. Oxygen is such a bitch.
Prof. Gutts: “Voluntary ironic detachment... begets passionless art... begets a lack of cultural contribution... A discursive roundabout manoeuvre resulting in a terminal free-fall into Niche CultureDeath.” [...] "...a Hipster-dominated realm which bitterly resents intrusions on its privileges from outside its domain. Denial simply crosscuts the grain of history as heretics are crossed off the proverbial Guest List."
Our kids all attended Miami public schools from 95 to 05 and managed to avoid the need for tats. Our suburban PA cousins all have male earrings and male and female tats. I'm not judging or condemning, but my opinion is that living with unvarnished urban culture instead of viewing the glamorized TV version seemed to remove the need for mutilation.
I don't know how accurate the "you'll regret that tattoo!" predictions really are. I know people who have had tattoos for ten or twenty years -- basically since they started becoming socially acceptable -- and they're not rushing to get them lasered off.
I think in earlier times a tattoo was more of an outrageous expression, something an older and more sedate person would wincingly regret having gotten. But I've known so many entirely normal people who've gotten tattoos that I have to think that isn't the mentality behind them anymore.
Or dr. Kill: it becomes like the sun tan. The wealthy adopt what was once a sign of the working class and use it as a symbol of wealth ("I have money and have no fear of losing a low-paying job because of my middle-class bosses disgust of tattoo") and to shock the bourgeoise.
In your case, your children saw the tattoo as a sign of lower income habits and were turned off, whereas your PA cousins see (MTV, Movies, rockstars) as the opposite. ----
Palladian: I had heard of that use for Argon, I suppose yours is for evaporation as well as to save the bouquet, similar to spirits (scotch and the like), thought spirits have no appreciable nose unlike perfume.
Moving off the tattoo thing, the aspect of the "New Media" blogs is the sheer volume of pure HATE they spew.
Try reading the comments of any gossip blog and notice that every single woman is a "stupid slut." Is she wearing a bikini? Dumb whore. Is she a devout Christian? Repressed dumb whore who obviously molests children.
Nobody has talent. Every song sucks, every movie is worthless unless it can be appreciated "ironically." The only people worth paying attention to are junkie waste like Winehouse.
And god forbid a famous person expresses an opinion vaguely right-wing. They must be a "fucking idiot" for disagreeing with the hipsters.
Sigh. Imagine immersing yourself in that cesspool day after day. No wonder people like Gould are miserable whiners.
In my day, men wore polyester bellbottoms, plaid leisure suits and giant gold medallions - all the while thinking they looked great and were the height of fashion.
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So men have gone from hearing of all the back-biting, clawing, gossiping, shallow, piques that women go through in High School Cliques and we now have them elevated to full-color spreads in major magazines? Face-book friends? Really?
Much like the Althouse-vortex and such in a way...
Or like Andrew Sullivan vs. Micky Kaus (which counts as "cat fighting" 'cause sully is a queen.)
Thoreau's Walden, Plato's Cave these are where we go when the hens come out to peck.
"Woman, thy name is Frailty!"
--MacBeth
"from people who wanted her to renounce herself -- to ...beg the culture's forgiveness."
Ha. An Appeal to Culture. How telling.
In the 1930's, the "culture" had London's fashionable women sporting swastika charms on their bracelets.
Today, its more subtle. Want to be accepted? Want to be considered "hip hop cool" by everyone else? Then convert to our brand. Here are the issues we advocate... here are your talking points. And we're not looking for real anwsers - its more about feeling good about oneself. Pick a cause, shout if from the rooftops, then go back to your decaf latte, MTV and cheap oil economy. Here's a list of poeple you will hate. And here's a demographic of people you will have scorn and contempt for. Be sure to ostracize any non-believers you have in your family or at work. On your way out you can grab your Indulgances - yes, you may have made a pass at the babysitte, but now that you BELIEVE in World Peace, you aren't so bad. Welcome to Liberalism. Welcome to the Democrat[ic] Party.
[...]
Ann, I'm curious if that line jumped out at you? As you usually play the Heretic to their Inquisition.
Thats an answer to the question that's been bothering me for some time: "The Left doesn't really believe in the things they lecture us about, so why are they so passionate about them?"
Her tattoos make me think of some building defaced by taggers -- why would she think they were attractive?
Tats or no tats I would still fuck her.
She's hot. Love the pose.
She's definitely ready for action.
Ah. Gawker.
No wonder I sensed the bullshit vibe up front.
Here, kitty, kitty, kitty! Fresh fish!
Fen: Republican or Democrat, they shouldn't be markers for every part of your life. Everything you dislike about a random sub-culture doesn't make it a plank of an opposing party's platform. Only Liberals watch MTV? Republicans can't drink Lattes? Don't be a shill for a political party.
Also, I'm not sure the meme of calling someone a Democrat (party) instead of Democratic (party) means anything. Is the word Democrat party more fun to say than Democratic party? "Ohh! feel that sting progressives!"
...can we get back to bashing women now :D?
"Her tattoos make me think of some building defaced by taggers -- why would she think they were attractive?"
An entire generation of people are going to be feeling that way in a few years.
Unlike tattoos most stupid, ugly fashions can be discarded without surgery.
Make my dinner Palady Malady.
OK, I am off to get my Steroids from the Roid Dealer.
How dangerous. I love it.
I'm sure Roman plebes decried the nose, lip, and face rings that come from India and shook their heads in sadness at the moral decline of body art and tattoos from Africa and Germanic tribes.
So to, plebes now decry....the same things from the same cultures when adopted by youth at home. Your shocked victorian sensibilities inspire boredom.
Why don't you start your sentence with ..."In my day..." Palladian?
I guess beauty is skin deep for some people...
Funny story. In Korea where I worked, some western co-workers got up in arms one day when the owner invited us all into a conference room for a prayer before the beginning of the year.
Ohhhh the hue and cry of them, "How dare they evangelize in the workplace!!" If they were invited to a buddhist prayer, or something equally "oriental" they would have done it with relish and posted this "mystical event" on their blog.
I have no point to this story it turns out. I knew I wanted to juxtapose this with the tattoos...oh yeah. If you saw some native new ginneans with tribal markers you'd be all, "wow the women are so beautiful in their own exotic way." Lame Palladian. (which kinda rhymes...)
Everything you dislike about a random sub-culture doesn't make it a plank of an opposing party's platform.
False assumption. I don't lump everything I dislike about a sub-culture onto the opposing party. And my point is that Democrats use peer pressure to keep their own in line, hence the author's Appeal to Culture: beg the culture's forgiveness
Only Liberals watch MTV? Republicans can't drink Lattes?
Don't take it literally. Remember, you're smarter and more nuanced than a mere rube like me. My point wasn't that liberals like MTV or decaff lates, my points is that they need to pretend to care about something other than themselves while indulging their super-sized appetites and american lifestyles. For example, the same crowd that chants "No blood for oil!" will turn around and whine like a bitch about the oil-driven economy...
Also, I'm not sure the meme of calling someone a Democrat (party) instead of Democratic (party) means anything. Is the word Democrat party more fun to say than Democratic party?
No. Its simply a reminder that your party and its leadership is made up of fascists and socialist elites. Hardly democratic, no matter how much rep you might steal from the implication. Which reminds me, when are your super-elites going to choose your nominee?
Challenge for liberal Democrats who still don't get it: tell your liberal friends and family that you've become a Republican. Watch what happens. See if you can last 6 months "not being cool".
First off...you used a post with the word "fascist" So you lose based on the "seven degrees of kevin bacon and hitler". Godwin's Law and all...
"Tell your conservative Baptist parents that you've become a socialist progressive democrat and want to vote for al gore".
----
"point wasn't that liberals like MTV or decaff lates, my points is that they need to pretend to care about something other than themselves while indulging their super-sized appetites and american lifestyles."
----
example: people who think that republican and christian mean the same thing...I don't see many of them giving their belongings to the poor as Christ commanded. Hows that for "pretending to care" and then indulging in "super-sized...lifestyles"
Third point: I'm nott a demcrat (gasp). Voted for Bush twice.
you used a post with the word "fascist" So you lose based on the "seven degrees of kevin bacon and hitler". Godwin's Law and all
A geez. Another idiot who thinks that mentioning anything related to the 1930's somehow invokes Godwin's Law. Maybe you guys went to the same college?
people who think that republican and christian mean the same thing
People like you? Or just you?
I don't see many of them giving their belongings to the poor as Christ commanded. Hows that for "pretending to care" and then indulging in "super-sized...lifestyles"
All fun aside, you should research the stats on Christian charity. I was shocked at how much aid the give the third world.
I'm not a demcrat (gasp).
Right. You're just playing the straight man. And you are SO much a Republican that you felt the need to attack me for attacking the culture that attacks people like you. Such a cute mental pretzel you've wrapped yourself up in.
"So to, plebes now decry....the same things from the same cultures when adopted by youth at home. Your shocked victorian sensibilities inspire boredom.
Why don't you start your sentence with ..."In my day..." Palladian?"
Because this shit started in my day, honey.
My objections to tattoos isn't moral, it's aesthetic. They look terrible. To paraphrase John Waters, that man of delicate Victorian sensibilities, they look ok when you're young and hot but when you get older you just look like an out-of-work Tilt-A-Whirl operator.
I'm sure a retort about "oh well I like them, who are you to judge" is forthcoming, so to that I'll respond: if you think tattoos are beautiful, your aesthetic sensibility is a pile of shit.
Now don't you need to be running along, spraying some argon into opened bottles of pinot noir somewhere? Oxidation is the saggy tattoo of oenophilia.
"I don't see many of them giving their belongings to the poor as Christ commanded. "
Now when Jesus was in Bethany, in the house of Simon the leper, there came unto him a woman having an alabaster box of very precious ointment, and poured it on his head, as he sat at meat. But when his disciples saw it, they had indignation, saying, to what purpose is this waste? For this ointment might have been sold for much, and given to the poor. When Jesus understood it, he said unto them, Why trouble ye the woman? for she hath wrought a good work upon me. For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always.
Thoreau's Walden, Plato's Cave these are where we go when the hens come out to peck.
Did you know Thoreau's mom prepared and brought his meals out to his wooded retreat? His self-reliance was in large part a myth ... like some other things.
"Oxidation is the saggy tattoo of oenophilia."
can I use that? 'cause that is great (honest). I'd put that on the box if I could. (that jesus example could well show that instead of selling your house and handing cash to the poor you should just give them your house instead...)
Knoxwhirled: I didn't know that, yet strangely not surprised.
aaaand the argon doesn't "spray" into the bottle, the regulator in the unit gently displaces the oxygen because at high velocities/pressure oxygen can mix with nitrogen and argon as well.
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the saggy tattoo
Heh! and eeww at the same time.
The lumbar logo on pretty young things is most displeasing to me because it will fade and spread and spread and fade as years go by, coming to resemble a sort of bruise or injury more than a design.
For when they age, these inkings will be like when menopausal women or half-centuried men attempt to sport the clothes of the moment. Not just their kids are horrified.
As it stands, they serve as an inkblot to the soul. The girl's arm roses say to her "I'm edgy", but to me "I am extremely high maintenance in the doctor's office".
I'm a disabuse whore.
So to, [sic] plebes now decry....the same things from the same cultures when adopted by youth at home. Your shocked victorian sensibilities inspire boredom.
Tattoos and piercings are so mainstream, and (usually) so hideous, it's hardly Victorian to object to them. And who uses the word "plebe" who's not a dweeb.
"The lumbar logo on pretty young things is most displeasing to me because it will fade and spread and spread and fade as years go by, coming to resemble a sort of bruise or injury more than a design."
Ha. I used pretty much this same imagery on my daughter when she wanted to get a tattoo and thought about piercing her nose. I said "Just think how awful it will look when your skin is as saggy and baggy as Mrs. XXXX down the street. You won't be able to tell that butterfly from a buzzard. That teeny hole in your nose now will be big enough to put pipe cleaners in it when you are her age and you proabably will have to do that just to keep it clean. But....hey... if that's what you want to do ......"
Worked :-)
Applause, DBQ.
I told my daughter that if she got one, I would get one, too, and I would show it to all her friends every time they came over.
Then I told her where.
"aaaand the argon doesn't "spray" into the bottle, the regulator in the unit gently displaces the oxygen because at high velocities/pressure oxygen can mix with nitrogen and argon as well."
Oh I know. I use argon to gas blanket perfumery materials for similar reasons. Oxygen is such a bitch.
Prof. Gutts: “Voluntary ironic detachment... begets passionless art... begets a lack of cultural contribution... A discursive roundabout manoeuvre resulting in a terminal free-fall into Niche CultureDeath.”
[...]
"...a Hipster-dominated realm which bitterly resents intrusions on its privileges from outside its domain. Denial simply crosscuts the grain of history as heretics are crossed off the proverbial Guest List."
Our kids all attended Miami public schools from 95 to 05 and managed to avoid the need for tats. Our suburban PA cousins all have male earrings and male and female tats. I'm not judging or condemning, but my opinion is that living with unvarnished urban culture instead of viewing the glamorized TV version seemed to remove the need for mutilation.
Anyone?
I don't know how accurate the "you'll regret that tattoo!" predictions really are. I know people who have had tattoos for ten or twenty years -- basically since they started becoming socially acceptable -- and they're not rushing to get them lasered off.
I think in earlier times a tattoo was more of an outrageous expression, something an older and more sedate person would wincingly regret having gotten. But I've known so many entirely normal people who've gotten tattoos that I have to think that isn't the mentality behind them anymore.
Or dr. Kill: it becomes like the sun tan. The wealthy adopt what was once a sign of the working class and use it as a symbol of wealth ("I have money and have no fear of losing a low-paying job because of my middle-class bosses disgust of tattoo") and to shock the bourgeoise.
In your case, your children saw the tattoo as a sign of lower income habits and were turned off, whereas your PA cousins see (MTV, Movies, rockstars) as the opposite.
----
Palladian: I had heard of that use for Argon, I suppose yours is for evaporation as well as to save the bouquet, similar to spirits (scotch and the like), thought spirits have no appreciable nose unlike perfume.
I hate tattoos on women. Does that make me sexist or a grouchy old fart?
You make the call.
First visit to this blog. Can't say I'm impressed by the quality of posts or the comments. Bye!
"First visit to this blog. Can't say I'm impressed by the quality of posts or the comments. Bye!"
And I can't say I'm impressed by YOUR first comment on this blog.
So Good Riddance. And don't come back -unless you want to donate.
And don't come back -unless you want to donate.
...an organ.
. . . grinder’s monkey.
Ann, have you been drunk-blogging again?
Moving off the tattoo thing, the aspect of the "New Media" blogs is the sheer volume of pure HATE they spew.
Try reading the comments of any gossip blog and notice that every single woman is a "stupid slut." Is she wearing a bikini? Dumb whore. Is she a devout Christian? Repressed dumb whore who obviously molests children.
Nobody has talent. Every song sucks, every movie is worthless unless it can be appreciated "ironically." The only people worth paying attention to are junkie waste like Winehouse.
And god forbid a famous person expresses an opinion vaguely right-wing. They must be a "fucking idiot" for disagreeing with the hipsters.
Sigh. Imagine immersing yourself in that cesspool day after day. No wonder people like Gould are miserable whiners.
Oh, and UWS Guy:
In my day, men wore polyester bellbottoms, plaid leisure suits and giant gold medallions - all the while thinking they looked great and were the height of fashion.
Then they took the damn things off.
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