So no matter how you cut it, Obama will almost certainly end the primaries with a pledged-delegate lead, courtesy of all those landslides in February. Hillary would then have to convince the uncommitted superdelegates to reverse the will of the people. Even coming off a big Hillary winning streak, few if any superdelegates will be inclined to do so. For politicians to upend what the voters have decided might be a tad, well, suicidal.And here's a WSJ piece trying to figure out what Hillary needs tonight to keep going:
Should the senators split the states' contests -- or if Sen. Clinton wins, but only by narrow margins -- the debate will turn to how to interpret the results. Two smaller states, Rhode Island and Vermont, also vote today. Clinton aides have started to imply that even just one big win today would allow her to claim she had broken Sen. Obama's momentum, justifying a continuing competition....7:20: I've just been setting things up here with the webcam and the lighting. Now, I need to check out what's going on, so I'll have something to say.
"We expect on Wednesday the momentum of Sen. Obama will be significantly blunted and new questions will be posed as to whether he is the right candidate for the Democratic Party," said Mark Penn, Sen. Clinton's chief strategist, in a conference call with reporters. "Then this nomination will go straight to the convention."
7:28: Obama's victory in Vermont is declared, but we're very close to the time when they will spill the exit poll results on Ohio. Exciting!
7:30: CNN won't call the Ohio race on the Democratic side. It's "competitive," we're told and I take that as bad news for Hillary.
7:32: The CNN exit poll shows that 59% of the Democratic voters were women, which ought to help Hillary. It also seems to skew old, which should help her. The Texas primary ends at 8, and then the Texas caucus starts at 8:15. Both my sons are caucusing in Texas, so I may get some photos and first-hand reports. I should add that McCain has been declared the winner in Ohio and Vermont.
7:43: Politico on how Hillary could come back. And here's Dana Milbank on Clinton "moving the goalposts." "My husband didn't get the nomination wrapped up until June" — she keeps saying that.
7:54: CNN is showing 60 to 38%, Hillary over Obama, in Ohio. But it's competitive! Keep watching! Only 1% of the vote in.
8:08: My son John is waiting in line for the caucus at Red River Church in Austin, TX. The line looks long to him.
8:25: I just did my first of 2 little bits on C-SPAN. Did anyone watch?!
8:46: John is reporting from the caucus, which he just got out of at 7:46 CT. The pews in the church were completely filled up. A party leader addressed them, saying it was "historic" and "we've never seen anything near this level of interest." There were lots of kids there. And some dogs. It pretty much seemed like voting, except that you could see what people around you were writing down. The party leader who directed them to come up to the tables to write down their choices said: "You can come up and it will be like taking communion." John heard someone chide him for saying that, but it wasn't clear whether he was kidding.
9:18: Congratulations to John McCain for clinching the nomination. Now, here's Mike Huckabee, conceding. He will "do everything possible to unite our party and to unite our country." He observes that the 2 most dignified campaigns are the ones in the Republican Party. A nice little speech, which isn't over, but it's down to the list of thanks, so I'll publish this update.
9:26: Huckabee is still talking. Some woman sold her wedding ring to make a contribution to his campaign. Would you even want that money? I wouldn't. I'd rather not hear about that. But he features it in his speech. Anyway, I note the percentages in Texas and Ohio: Hillary is winning Ohio by a much wider margin than Obama is winning Texas. She's got a 20 point margin: 59 to 39%. And Ohio is the state the candidate needs to win. [ADDED: I mean Ohio seems to be the state to win in the November election.] Huckabee is still talking, running on about the men who died at the Alamo. Finally, he's done. I hear McCain should speak soon. I hear that from C-SPAN, which is telling me to hang around until after the McCain speech.
9:50: McCain is speaking. Given the alternatives, he says, his election "is in the best interests of the country we love." That's a nicely modest way of putting it. He didn't grow up thinking the country owed him anything. But he felt "part of a kinship of ideals" that made him think he owed a life of service. Now, he's working the national security theme. We need to "combat Islamic extremism." On to trade: his adversaries "want to pretend the global economy will go away." On health care, he'll work to bring down costs without "ruining the quality of the world's best medical care." Energy: alternative sources. (He stops to cough. Don't look old!) And he wants to listen. We're "the captain of our fate." "We don't hide from history. We make history." Hope, values, principles, greatness, trust.
10:08: Wolf Blitzer keeps saying Ohio is "very competitive," even while looking at numbers showing a blowout by Clinton. What kind of numbers do you need to see before you stop saying that? Meanwhile, it's 50/48 in Texas. I'd say things look pretty good for Hillary (who also won Rhode Island, as expected). Obviously, she's not going to bow out. So, settle in folks, and wait for Pennsylvania, and all the ugly little globules of mud that will dribble out over the next 6 weeks. How about that Rezko trial? Should be delightful.
10:55: CNN calls Ohio for Hillary Clinton. And Clinton is currently ahead in Texas: 50/48. I'll have some photos from the Texas caucus very soon!
11:01: "Has anyone started calling her The Comeback Kid yet?" says Wolf Blitzer.
11:13: Okay, the pictures from the Texas Caucus are up (in a new post).
11:16: Clinton looks happy. She's all aglow. "For anyone who's ever been counted out, but refused to be knocked out..." She wants to symbolize the fighting spirit. Ohio is special, the key state that must be won if the presidency is to be won, and she's won it. She reels off a list of other states she's won — and it's a surprisingly long list. Obama's run of 11 victories in a row had obscured those victories, which include some awfully big states. "We're just getting started." She makes a big deal out of saying her website address, and the crowd chants it along with her, which strikes me as incredibly dorky. She going to be a fighter and a champion. "We're ready for health care!" "When that phone rings at 3 a.m...." She thanks a lot of people, including the 2 most important people in her life, Bill and Chelsea. Then, she also thanks her mother (an unnecessary slight snub to Mom). She gets a new chant going: "Yes, we will." Get it? "Yes, we can" refers to capacity, but it's not enough just to be able to do something, you have to actually do it.
11:51: Andrew Sullivan is very upset:
To keep oneself from despair....Chez Althouse, the drinks have been: 1 Bolthouse Farms "Vedge" and 3 waters. It fits with my cruelly neutral viewpoint.
I just had a Jager shot, and hope to get drunk very soon. So this is my last post of the night. Here's what I'll do in the morning: find out who won the most delegates in the March 4 states, and check someone else's math (yes, I'm not going to get it wrong myself) to see who subsequently has the numbers to win. And then take a deep breath. And say what I think. Right now, emotion clouds the mind. Oh, and Jager.
12:04: My other son, Chris, also caucused in Austin (at McCallum High School). He describes the caucus as extremely chaotic and confusing. He had volunteered to work for Hillary Clinton. He was at the rally in Austin last night, and he drove all over town today putting up Hillary Clinton signs. At one place where they needed people to hold up signs, Bill Clinton made an appearance and shook everyone's hand. Chris was impressed by Bill Clinton's handshaking technique. It's very quick but fully engaged, with an instant of eye contact that leaves you feeling that you met Bill Clinton. There were a lot of schoolgirls at the event — perhaps 6th graders — and they were ecstatic about shaking Bill's hand. They were jumping up and down, almost crying, and saying "I shook his hand!" They were acting, Chris said, the way you would expect them to act if Justin Timberlake had kissed them. Chris contrasted the experience with coming within arm's length of Hillary and Chelsea at the rally last night. They were not shaking hands, but giving autographs, and he didn't have the same sense that he met them, not that he faulted them for that. There was some pushing in the crowd that was infringing on two old women in front, and Hillary came over and told them to stop. Chris said that Hillary and Chelsea looked exactly like the do on television, and that was "surreal." As for the disorganization at the caucus, Chris said that people didn't understand the rules. Could they just sign in and leave, or were they supposed to stay? Staying seemed to have to do with being chosen as a delegate for the state convention [actually it was the county convention], and they needed something like 40 delegates for the 300 voters in that precinct. What were they supposed to do if there weren't 40 caucus goers left in the end? The voters themselves had to "kind of take over and figure out what was happening." And this was in Austin with educated, politically involved caucus-goers, but there are 8,000 precincts in the state. Imagine the confusion on that scale. Caucuses are horrible, he said. Anyway, he ended up as one of the delegates for Hillary at the
1:09: And now, Clinton has won Texas — the primary, that is. So the Obamomentum is broken.
१५२ टिप्पण्या:
There's been hard cold rain in Ohio all day. I predict large numbers of illegible paper ballots.
Ann
You can cut right to the chase. It doesn't matter what happens tonight, contrary to that little spittle of a man Jon Alter.
Neither candidate can win enough delegates outright for the nomination.
The nomination has never been won on popular vote, or who has more delegates. Never.
Unless one candidate wants to concede, it will going to the convention in Denver.
Here we go. Althouse and I are thrilled you have joined us tonight.
We are excited. Ann may have to depart for her cspan interview and I may have to step away for my MSNBC interview and if we do we apologize up front.
Thanks so much for being here. We will be back in touch real soon.
We think you are all terrific.
Big hugs all the way around.
Yes tonight someone will be eliminated. It won't be clear for some time but a man and a woman will have to leave. My predicion:
Danny Noriega and Amanda Oversinger.
This is American Idol.
"We expect on Wednesday the momentum of Sen. Obama will be significantly blunted and new questions will be posed as to whether he is the right candidate for the Democratic Party," said Mark Penn, Sen. Clinton's chief strategist.
I despise Clinton, but Mark is spot on.
Wow four nut jobs in row. We are off to a good start!
Five, I didn't mean to leave you out Fen. Sorry.
Why would a London-based billionaire arms-merchant money-laundering felonious crony of Saddam Hussein named Nadhmi Auchi invest $3,500,000 in a midwestern pizza business?
Why would the same billionaire loan the pizza man, Tony Rezko, another $3,500,000 weeks before the he, the pizza man, buys an inaccessible empty lot for $300,000 more than it is worth?
Could it be because the pizza man delivers politicians?
Barack wins Vermont.
For those of you in flyover country who have not been to Vermont go.
It is truely lovely. Stowe, The Von Trapp Family Lodge, Burlington, Lake Champlain, Brattleboro, the green mountains.
Absolutely stunningly beautiful.
I took my parents there and my mom was like Door County is almost this nice. I was like no mother.
But everyone go. Vermont. Absolutely lovely and very liberal.
Also, Burlington Vermont is only 1 hour from Montreal which is absolutely amazing.
Lots of hot hog. Feels very european. St. Catherine Street is fabulous.
The covered bridges in Vermont are also actually adorable.
Five [nutjobs], I didn't mean to leave you out Fen. Sorry
No prob. Thanks for remembering.
I hope I am not in the nutjob grouping Trooper.
I am the personification of normal.
Sorry Titus, I don't want you to feel bad. You can be in the nut sack. How's that.
Nut sack-I like that. Thanks Trooper. You are very thoughtful.
Also, the B&B's in Vermont are absolutely delicious.
One, negative though. I went to the gay bar in Burlington and it sucked. Lots of lesbians and the few gays were below the gay standard that I come to expect of the gay.
I'll give Titus this: He has got Vermont down. Very beautiful, very liberal.
I especially liked their gun laws when I lived there--no permit needed to carry a concealed pistol. Of course Vermont is the last place you would need to carry, but still a nice sentiment. The place was so safe you would leave your house unlocked--how else would your neighbor borrow your tools when you are away?
That place on Pearl street was known as more of a lesbian place--from what I understand.
According to an article in Slate, the American People always pick Bugs Bunny (in this case, the cool laidback Obama) over Daffy Duck (the tightly wound Hillary).
Well, it's a theory.
I'm going to be doing some commentary on C-SPAN at 8 ET and 9:30 ET.
Oh, so now we know why you adopted the phony "I am netural" position today.
But Ann, I trust you realize that nobody actually watches C-SPAN. I thought you said CNN for a sec. But no, C-SPAN.
Haha. That's pathetic.
I don't really expect to get many people watching, but in any case, I'm not on representing a side.
"Liberal" Vermont is 96% white, and is still driving minorities out. I guess they don't really believe in the things they lecture us about.
I will be doing commentary on American Idol in the bodega on Court St. where a new shipment of cigars has come in from the Dominican. It might be warm enough to sit outside tonight with the bbq working. Ribs and sausage heros. Rice and beans. Good times.
Next up Rhode Island which I am very familar with. I was in Providence last weekend. Providence is sin city of New England. The cab driver told me it had over 10 strip clubs-gay and straight. That's quite a bit for a city of about 170,000.
Also, I had friends at Brown when I was in school in Mass and traveled there quite a bit.
Providence has been completely rejuvenated. They have a Nordstrom-go figure. Beautiful parks, great neighborhoods. Big College town. Providence College; Rhode Island College; Roger Williams; RISD; Brown-and I am forgetting some. Very young city. Lots of gays. Gay mayor. Lots of italians...yum, italian hog.
Newport, Rhode Island-what can you say. Absolutely fabulous. The Newport Mansions. The Cliff Walk. The beautiful beaches. A big college crowd in the summers. Tons of great restaurants. It is the Ptown for straights in New England during the summer. Also, home of Richard Hatch.
The rest of Rhode Island is blue collar democrats. Cranston, Warwick, Pawtucket-not fabulous.
Providence is home of Textron, the largest employer other than the colleges.
Also, Block Island is cute. It is the poor man's Marthas Vinyard.
Lastly, Rhode Island has a very large latino population.
I really am a wealth of information.
Also, Providence used to be a big jewelry depot.
Not anymore. All the jewelry places have been turned into lofts.
Would that Vermont was driving minorities out. Actually, the liberal hippy scumbags of Burlington can't get enough of minorities, have made it a magnet with suicidally generous welfare and have managed to turn that once peaceful city into a dangerous place.
OK, Ohio-not fabulous and I have been all over the state.
I have been to Cleveland which is a shell of it former self which is very sad. When I was there over the weekend the city was completely dead. No one walking the streets during the weekend. A tell tale sign of a depressed city. Also, many businesses downtown were boarded up. Rock and Roll Museum is way out by the lake that seems to take forever to get to from the city. You have to walk over a big highway-not fabulous. FYI-it has the largest bathouse in the world so for that it needs some cred.
Cincinnati-awful. When I was 16 and still living at home I went onto a phone sex line and spoke with a guy from Cincinnati and actually drove down there to hook up with him. He was awful. I also have friends there. It is depressing. Conservative and feels somewhat southern. Home of Procter Gamble.
Columbus is not all that but it thinks it is (similar to Madison). Now the largest city in Ohio and the most liberal. Home of OSU-go Buckeyes.
Toledo-depressing. I went to a gay bar there and ended you going home with a guy and he lived like 30 miles outside of the city in the middle of nowhere. I swear I thought I was going to die. He actually had a pet big. Can anyone say Misery?
I go to Dayton every year for WGI-World Color Guard International. It is absolutely awful. Seemed to have a large black population. At the gay bar they turn all the lights on at 2:00, the barback queens run around and take your drinks away, the black queens do some awful dance number during this transition and then they turn the lights back down and you can order water and soda. Sad. I did do a hot guy in the bathroom one year though.
OHHHH, Tom Brokaw is going off on Chris Matthews tonight-love that.
Titus
Tour guide, travel agent, bureau of tourism booster, chamber of commerce lackey?
Wow, Ricpic-lots of anger towards Burlington. Lake Champlain is beautiful.
Take a breath. Relax, enjoy life. Everything will be ok.
Titus, other than using your asshole as a catcher's mitt, you don't know squat.
Question: Which number is bigger --the number of Huckabee voters in Vermont or the national audience for C-SPAN?
Garage mahal is right. The delegate count is way too close and Hillary for sure will not drop out. She would rather destroy the party. Obama has come too far to just throw in the towel, but, he has not angered or preturbed some of the top Democrats who matter.
Last week Pelosi weighed in and told the Clinton campaign to forget Micgigan and Florida; the rules are the rules.
Others who are supposed to be neutral ahve made obliquely negative comments regarding the Clinton campaign- the campaign, if not the candidate herself.
So it will go to the convention. Obama's momentum ended in February and he accomplsihed what he needed, a nice delegate cushion.
Clinton, no matter what she does or says tonight is the underdog all the way to August.
"Titus, other than using your asshole as a catcher's mitt, you don't know squat"
Au contraire Ricpic I am a top. My asshole has never been penetrated. Did you read my posting last week. I had a doctors appointment last week and my doctor said I have an asshole of a 13 year boy.
Ricpic you have anger issues.
My sense is you need to get laid.
My sens is also that you are unattractive and can't get laid.
The good news is that if you need to you can pay for it. It may come to a hefty price though if you are as physically unattractive as you sound.
Ann Althouse said...
"I don't really expect to get many people watching, but in any case, I'm not on representing a side.
Do you mean you're not intending to, or they've agreed to not represent you as such?
I agree with Garage's comment above, but I'd add that if superdelegates simply rubberstamp the winner of the popular vote, it seems to me that they're worthless. Their only possible purpose for existing is
Sorry, skipped a sentence: that last one should read "Their only possible purpose for existing is [to say that the popular vote isn't the be-all or end-all]."
I thought the meaning of life for a homo is to be penetrated.
Which makes you a faux homo, Titus.
Be sure to unplug your phone and turn off your cell phone......
titus...
I have an asshole of a 13 year boy.
I hope you stay away from priests!
Ricpic you are wrong. There are generally "tops" and "bottoms" in the gay world. Some are versatile but most are one or the other.
Tops mean they are on top-get it. That would be me.
Bottoms mean they assume the bottom position-you see???
If all gays were bottoms there would be a fight for the bottom and we wouldn't have sex.
By the way Burlington is dangerous??? That's news to me.
Gee, I really have to educate the breeders on here.
I do stay away from priests. I went to catholic elementary school and was never fondled. I was a little offended that they didn't like me.
By the way Lou Dobbs is horrible. Thank God he is not monitoring the results now.
"I thought the meaning of life for a homo is to be penetrated."
Are you kidding? The meaning of life is to fuck straight guys.
ok, here's my SWAG: Hillary wins Ohio and Texas.
Ohio on the basis of the NAFTAgate story, Rezko, and vecause Obama seems to be ducking the press.
Texas because of hispanics who were under counted in the polling.
aftermath: people start noticing that Obama weaves and dodges at rare press conferences. for a context, McCain has press on his bus, does press cpnferences daily, does long blogger teleconferences, and the day after the NYT faux-sex scandal broke he took 40 questions from the press.
The other day after NAFTAgate Obama took 8 questions and fled the scene.
Oh I feel bad. I missed you. I thought you were on at 8:30. I turned it on and say Dana Rohbacher bitching about something.
Are you going to be on again at 9:30.
So did anyone watch me on TV or were you all too busy talking about sex!
I am sorry Althouse. That was my fault.
I thought you were on at 8:30.
Are you going to be on again at 9:30?
Could you see yourself on camera?
The meaning of life is to fuck straight guys.
Undermining. Always undermining.
That Jamal black guy on CNN is fucking hot.
Wow, he is amazing.
Where did C-Span dig up those two talking heads with Susan? Good grief!
It's CSPAN 2, I found out after setting it to record the wrong CSPAN. I was on for about 2 minutes. I can't believe anyone watches. It's call-in show. Maybe the people who are trying to call in....
I had C-SPAN on.
Dana Rohrabacher has been talking for the last half hour on the House floor (live!).
Do they have different feeds for the different coasts?
"The meaning of life is to fuck straight guys.
Undermining. Always undermining."
But very true Ricpic and we do. We do fuck straight guys. I know it is painful but get over it.
Erase it from your mind. I realize it is a painful scenario but it happens every night.
OK< thanks Althouse. I have been flipping to Cspan back and forth over the past 30 minutes and it is still Dana Rohrabacher bitching about something.
Are you going to be on at 9:30 on Cspan 2?
Looks like Obama is going to win Texas.
Hilary will likely win Ohio and I expect Rhode Island.
The comparison of the numbers of voters for democrats compared to republicans is huge in Texas.
I am shocked.
That bar in Bandera Texas where CNN is broadcasting is absolutely hilarious.
Texas polls close at 7:00 o'clock p.m. local time. Local time means CST for all of the state except a tiny sliver around El Paso, which is on Mountain time.
I love John King's map.
McCain is the man for the Republicans. OK, will Ernest T. Bass finally concede and get out of the race? Will he finally go back to Arkansas?
Ann Althouse said...
"So did anyone watch me on TV or were you all too busy talking about sex!"
I watched, but it seemed like they gave you time to plug your blog, and that was about it. Which is okay, I guess!
Ernest T Bass that is hilarious
My precinct in Ohio had so many GOP voters cross dressing as Democrats that they ran out of ballots. That really pissed off three of my favorite neighborhood Democrats who waited and waited for them to get more ballots but finally had to give up because apparently they have lives or something.
That's the report I got from one of them anyway - a very attractive single mother who would like me to be her boyfriend but I'm reluctant because I'll probably vote for McCain in November and that would probably not set well with her and we'd have to break up and the whole thing would just turn into terrible mess.
Oh well. I wasn't there. I voted early for this very reason.
David Hernandez from American Idol was a stripper in a gay bar.
Judging by yard signs, it's 6-0 for Obama in my Ohio neighborhood. All 6 at the same house.
Now Ernest T Bass can go back to Hope, set on the porch in his Osh Kosh b' gosh, and tell Bible stories to the chillens. Maybe uncle Festus- WJC- can join him and who knows, he could become a convert. There is hope.
Clinton won Rhode Island. I told you the gays and drag queens in Rhode Island would put her over the top.
Oh Christ, Ernest T Bass is quoting Travis from the Alamo. This guy is pathetic. He and uncle Festus should hit the trail together and give rousing boring speeches. Two good old boys who done made good.
They can talk bout the 'merican dream. They splain to peoples that anyone can be someone. hey, maybe uncle Festus can hook Ernest T up with some of his pals and old ernest T can even make a few million, you know doin bidness with the A-rabs and all that or some o those Eastern European nations that have no human rights.
Hello, does anyone else know how hot that black guy who supports Obama is that is on Cnn.
His name is Jamal and I want him bad. God he is hot. He makes me incredibly horny.
No matter what you say, Ann, you'll be better than Jeff Toobin, who seems unable to connect with any reality I'm familiar with.
No matter what you say, Ann, you'll be better than Jeff Toobin, who seems unable to connect with any reality I'm familiar with.
McCain is speaking with his wife next to him. Christ, she would make a great First Lady. She also looks like she has a backbone of steel.
Cindy Mccain is hot.
I would love to see her rack.
John Mccain gives an awful speech.
I am still thinking of Jamal from CNN. Damn he is hot.
I want to see him naked now.
I read somewhere that Tom Daschle has quite a bit of dirt on Mccain about him considering switching parties and that he will use it in the general election. I think that sounds dreamy.
Hey guys, check out BigBoomBloggers.blogspot.com and tell me if you want in. I just set it up, and I'm looking for a team to do mostly political stuff. Althouse, that goes for you to, if you want to join.
Now lets get back to Jamal from CNN.
Look at the specimen.
Nice bald head.
Beautiful smile.
Complexion to die for.
Hog, we can only imagine.
God, I want him really really bad.
I bet Jamal has a nice booty too.
God I am horny thinking of Jamal from CNN.
Will the rest of you look at him?
Gee, he is incredible.
Just look at him.
Wow, that is a hot man.
I say Jamal from CNN for president.
We're "the captain of our fate."
Uh oh. He got the poem wrong.
I apologize fellow republicans I can't stop thinking about Jamal from CNN.
Will you look at him?
Teeth-check
bald head-check
I want to see what is under that suit.
Shit, I don't care what is under that suit I just want to do him.
Jamal has got me picking out a cute a little outfit and getting my ass out on a Tuesday night. Jamal has made me that horny.
Nice job on C-SPAN there, Althouse. I watched the live stream on RealPlayer. Concise and informative. Plus, a winning smile and charming little head toss at the end. Well done.
Wolf Blitzer keeps saying Ohio was "very competitive," even while looking at numbers showing a blowout by Clinton. What kind of numbers do you need to see before you stop saying that?
Because none of the four largest cities in the state have reported yet.
Are you really this dense, Ann?
We are still waiting for Cleveland and Cincin Althouse that's why.
Calm you pants Mary.
Jamal, I love you.
My horniness is off the charts right now thinking of Jamal.
Meade said...
"That's the report I got from one of them anyway - a very attractive single mother who would like me to be her boyfriend but I'm reluctant because I'll probably vote for McCain in November and that would probably not set well with her and we'd have to break up and the whole thing would just turn into terrible mess."
That's a lame ass excuse dude. You don't want to date an attractive woman because of your politics. You're a man: LIE!
What's the matter with you are you retarded? Tell her what she wants to hear, she's not coming in the booth with you. Unless you are having sex in there...hey now that's an idea. Man up you pussy and ask her out.
I am ready to explode fellow republicans.
The tension is drving me crazy.
Are the rest of you this excited and horny?
Are you really this dense, Ann?
Why are people such assholes?
I really don't understand the need for such hostility.
I'll talk to people in the tone they talk to me, so I'll reciprocate hostility and name-calling as appropriate, but what kind of twit initiates this kind of insulting dialogue?
Not to exonerate or justify this behavior on anyones part, but politics really does bring out the worst in a lot of people. Apparently it's a very emotional issue for people.
When I see someone throwing insults and calling names, I see someone who is frustrated and unable to find any better strategy for conveying their thoughts and feelings. Really, is it any different than a small child throwing food?
Full disclosure: I have been guilty of the very outbursts I am condemning. :\
Meade, I would never date a republican gay in NYC but there are no republican gays in NYC.
I agree with Trooper just lie.
I have been known to lie in the past. In order to get hog I would lie.
Hey, AJD the quasi-stalker is back... how many sockpuppets does this make now?
Sex in a booth would be something I would be willing to do.
Although, in my district in NYC there were no republicans.
See that, good advice from both ends of the spectrum so to speak. Take her out.
"Why are people such assholes?
I really don't understand the need for such hostility."
Verso, in the case of that particular nasty person, it's a frequent stalker who constantly changes his(its) screen name. It used to have a consistent name: AJD, but now it changes its name all the time, but they all still link to the same (unavailable) profile page:
http://www.blogger.com/profile/02407299546060974148
Earlier today it was posting the same boilerplate nastiness as "Dr Phyllis".
Hi Palladian.
My Dominican boyfriend wants to beat the crap out of you, titus.
Palladian, after all we have been through on this blog I still love you and would enjoy meeting you some day.
Palladian, you don't mean that.
Do you and your Domenican boyfriend like three ways?
You threw the "domincan boyfriend" in to make me jealous didn't you you ex morman Palladian????
Heard your first CSPAN segment, Professor. Significant audio distortion on the phone line. I don't think anyone would think it was your fault.
Maybe I am retarded. But I'm a terrible liar. I'm sure the sex would be terrific, Troop. Trouble is that could too easily lead to the harder stuff - deep conversations about the meaning of life, books, movies, you know, questions about where our relationship is going and when I'm going start dressing more like a Democrat. I think I'd better nip it. In the bud. My day will come when I meet just the right Independent girl. But thanks for your friendly concern.
Verso, in the case of that particular nasty person, it's a frequent stalker who constantly changes his(its) screen name. It used to have a consistent name: AJD, but now it changes its name all the time, but they all still link to the same (unavailable) profile page...
Ah, interesting. Thanks for the tip.
Palladian, I am a "small town boy" who moved to the big city.
Love me, want me, do me. I am willing if you have a good body and a nice ass.
If not, I will probably pass you by.
Nonetheless, I would still like to meet you.
Meade, I am going to take a quote from our honary blogger and say don't be a pussy.
An election night would be a perfect opportunity to meet a potential date. I wish I was there to push your ass over to her.
Plus, she's a little young for me. Not even fifty yet.
dave in boca said...
"No matter what you say, Ann, you'll be better than Jeff Toobin, who seems unable to connect with any reality I'm familiar with."
Funnily enough, he was on C-SPAN too, the other day, and he came across as droll, witty, intelligent, likable, and fair-minded. Which is odd, because his book displayed absolutely none of those qualities. If only he wrote the way he presents in person!
Sex in a voting booth. The ultimate quickie.
Meade, you are a tool. Dating and relationships are two different things. Date her and see if anything develops. Hell, the politcs may not even matter. I have dated people whose politics are the opposite of mine and hd no real problems. Politics is not everything ya know.
How old are you Meade?
MSNBC calls Ohio for Clinton, satisfying "not-so-live" blogger Ann Althouse, last seen fish-eye photographing the inside of her eyelids :)
How old are you Meade?
23
"You threw the "domincan boyfriend" in to make me jealous didn't you you ex morman Palladian????"
and talk about hog...
Oink oink!
Hillary wins Ohio.
Palladian, when are we going to meet?
Palladian you are a bitch and yes I am jealous.
Three way?
Isn't it a bit premature for Andrew Sullivan to be spinning Clinton's apparent Ohio victory as a result of Ohioans being racist rednecks? I say this as an Ohio voter who voted for Obama today. I despise the Clintons, but they have always been quite popular in this state. A bit unfair of Sullivan to be spinning Ohio into some kind of redneck, good old boy haven.
There's been hard cold rain in Ohio all day.
Up in the Cleveland area, it was a rather strange icey rain coating everyone's cars and making walking treacherous (two of my friends told me they slipped and fell today).
LoafingOaf said...
"Isn't it a bit premature for Andrew Sullivan to be spinning Clinton's apparent Ohio victory as a result of Ohioans being racist rednecks?"
Of course not. The MSM - and, bless him, Andrew is MSM through-and-through, even in blog format - have been setting up that pitch ever since we saw all those op/eds after Iowa expressing thinly-veiled surprise that them cracker whiteys in Iowa voted for a black man.
Wow, Texas is really close.
Andrew Sullivan is an Obama suck a titty-he doesn't count.
That Cuban Alex guy on CNN is absolutely gross.
Titus, shhh. I'm trying to read Simon's comment. He typically has something well thought out to say.
Of course not. The MSM - and, bless him, Andrew is MSM through-and-through, even in blog format - have been setting up that pitch ever since we saw all those op/eds after Iowa expressing thinly-veiled surprise that them cracker whiteys in Iowa voted for a black man.
That is especially interesting because Andrew has long argued, quite aggressively, in favor of his theory that blacks are genetically inferior (at least when it comes to IQ).
I might be slightly off by saying he believes that theory, but that's my impression; and whether he believes it or not, he certainly promotes it frequently.
He did a post a couple of months ago about Africa being the least Internet-connected continent, with a suggestion this proved that blacks lacked native intelligence.
(Longtime political junkies will recall Andrew was editor of The New Republic when it published a major issue about The Bell Curve.
Here is the Sullivan post in question. I guess it's a bit more ambiguous than I recalled, but I think it's pretty clear what he's offering it as evidence of:
The Darker Continent
The Dominican is too young for you judging from your earlier comments, titus. You're 47, right?
Anyway, pic 4 pic.
My audio pickup is poor. What is it Hillary's crowd is chanting? Is it possible? "Four More Years?" "Yes Means Yes?" I can't quite pick it up. Is that Bruce Springsteen now? Is he there live? If so, this could be the beginning of the end for Barak.
Ohioans being racist rednecks
I will say, I lived in Cincinnati for several years; and my brother has lived there since 1984. So I know that part of Ohio quite well. I also have good friends who live in Athens, Ohio.
And yeah: It's extremely racist. That's just a fact, I believe. At least in those two places. It's completely out in the open. I was stunned when I met some young liberal college kids who fit the typical stereotype of the youthful radical, and they were opening talking about "ni--ers" without ANY shame or reservation.
Palladian you bitch I am 37 not 47 but you know I still love you.
"and they were opening talking about "ni--ers" without ANY shame or reservation."
Young black kids do that here in Brooklyn every day. There isn't a day that goes by that I don't hear the word "nigger" (and variants) at least 20 times. I'd almost rather hear it from white people, who I could easily dismiss as stupid. But hearing it constantly from the black (and Hispanic) kids, it's like watching them tie themselves up in chains.
We'd love to see your hog, titus. C'mon.
I will say, I lived in Cincinnati for several years
I'm completely unfamiliar with Cincy. I'm up in Cleveland and identify with the the rust belt/great lakes region.
What I object to about Sullivan is his instant-spin. It feels like he is so much in the tank for Obama that he feels the need to instantly try and find a way to dismiss Ohio's vote.
Ohio's a very big and diverse state, and as I said (and although I don't relate to this) the Clintons are popular in Ohio. My Congresswoman - Stephanie Tubbs-Jones - is black and has been unwavering in her support for Hillary.
Palladian, I have to say that the "we" in your last comment is not universal. I have no desire whatsoever to see Titus' hog, or anyone else's, for that matter. :)
titustourjete said...
"Palladian you bitch I am 37 not 47 but you know I still love you."
I was 27 until a couple of weeks ago. Ha! ;)
Sullivan is upset? Big deal...he lives for drama---it allows it to make it all about him. He's Bill Clinton as a gay man.
"I have to say that the "we" in your last comment is not universal. I have no desire whatsoever to see Titus' hog, or anyone else's, for that matter."
Oh I meant me and my boyfriend. But I know you can't resist looking at my big, white hog Simon.
Palladian, the last time I saw something like that, it was floating above a Roger Waters concert.
Meade, I didn't mean to tell you what to do but to quote you:
" I'm sure the sex would be terrific"
Now what more do you need? I mean that's about 85% of the deal right there. Plus she interested in you dude. That's always a good sign. All the rest of it is bullshit. If she digs you, she will let it slide while you date. If it's gets serious, she will want to change you anyway, even if you agreed with her. That's what women do.
But don't mind me. I really don't mean to be a buttinsky.
Holy bacon Batman, Palladian has a statue of Sarah Jessica Parker. Is that the new action figure from the Sex in the City Movie?
Does it come with the Kung Fu grip?
Ohioans being racist rednecks
Verso: I was stunned when I met some young liberal college kids ...they were opening talking about "ni--ers" without ANY shame or reservation.
Irony alert.
fellow repubicans I am honored to think that I have brought hog to this site.That is a huge accompshment and I am honored.
I have to say I have advanced th blog into the 21th century.
Don't you agree?
And....Alhouse if you are willing to show your tits I will show my hog???
Afterwards, we can have a Friday Fish Fry together with special hugs and kisses.
I have to say I have really advanced this blog.
Don't all you agree???
Althouse, any viiew?
Cruel Partiality
Hilary won Texas.
I have to admit, though I greatly prefer Obama to Hillary, it gives me some satisfaction seeing the Hillary haters going ballistic over her victories.
Andrew Sullivan: "It's done. We all have to endure this... I couldn't watch it."
Oh, poor Andy! :D
So, who won tonight? I guess the Republicans who turned out to vote for Hillary to keep the race going beat the Republicans who turned out to vote for Obama to finally drive the Clintons off the national stage.
OK, i just wathed CNN and I totally want to Jamal from CNN.
Fellow rebulcans look at him.
Is he not hot?
Teeth=check
boddy-check-I think
bald head-hot
hog-we will wait to see.
He drives me crazy
I am totally honry watching himg. I would love to eat his ass.
If Jamal from CNN and Anderson Cooper do it I want to participate.
"Hilary won Texas."
That should put Sullivan on quite a drunk.
Wwelp, that's pretty much a wrap. Yes It Is.
So from redneck racist southern Ohio, this is your humble certified, licensed, and fully credentialed ace commenter Meade telling the hard truths to petty dictators and saying, Goodnight and God bless America.
This is incredible. Everyone today kept telling me that Hilary was out of the race, that she was going to drop out tonight. I am now wondereing where the hell they got their information. I am a Hilary supporter, but, of course, I wouldn't be upset to see Obama in the White House. Her win tonight, however, gave me great hope.
It was pleasure fellow rebulicans.
Thanks you good night
I'm still rooting for a brokered convention. The Republicans let me down on that point, but there's still hope for the Dems.
Ann,
If you bottled these comments you would have a Burroughs novel.
It was not yet dark when he reached the tribe, though he stopped to exhume and devour the remains of the wild boar he had cached the preceding day, and again to take Revenants's bow and arrows from the tree top in which he had hidden them.
It was a well-laden Titus who dropped from the branches into the midst of the tribe of Althouse.
With swelling chest he narrated the glories of his adventure and exhibited the spoils of conquest.
Simon grunted and turned away, for he was jealous of this strange member of his band. In his little evil brain he sought for some excuse to wreak his hatred upon Titus.
Or, wait, you didn't mean Edgar Rice Burroughs, did you?
Garage nails it early--this is going all the way to the convention. Too much potential stuff on Obama to come out; all the super-delegates have to do is wait--and they would be well advised to do so. The campaign will get nastier, and based on the presser in Chicago the other day, Obama doesn't do well in that setting. Advantage: Hillary.
Even though she is the "underdog." The thing that seems to be important to me is that she wins the big states; and the presidential race is decided by electors, not popular vote. I don't think that point will be missed by super-delegates. Good times ahead--pop the popcorn and open another iron city!
Meanwhile, I've heard very little from/about Bill Clinton. And Hillary is doing better.
Coincidence?
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