And — as if it's your problem if you're hung up on Wright — he demands that we transcend race altogether:
"We have to come together," he told a town-hall meeting at a high school....Criticize me and you are part of the forces of division. You're the one with the anger and bitterness and misunderstanding if you dwell on Wright's fomenting anger and bitterness and misunderstanding.
"I noticed over the last several weeks that the forces of division have started to raise their ugly heads again. And I'm not here to cast blame or point fingers because everybody, you know, senses that there's been this shift," Obama said.
"It reminds me: We've got a tragic history when it comes to race in this country. We've got a lot of pent-up anger and bitterness and misunderstanding. ... This country wants to move beyond these kinds of things."
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७१ टिप्पण्या:
Actually - it's pretty clear that all of the people focusing on Wright are racists.
They're essentially saying that all black people (except Uncle Toms) are automatically disqualified from being President.
McCain has sucked up to Christian preachers who have called for the execution of gay people.
But the wingnuts don't care about htat. Why? Because they think that's a cool idea.
I know him as somebody who rants about "the United States of White America."
There are now reports that Wright was fond of saying this (and "bullshi*t" in the pulpit) and even that Obama was in attendance when those remarks were made in August 2007 and nodded approvingly
You do have to give Obama credit for being a rhetorical genius. It's like Hitler saying he can't respond to rumors of ill-treatment of Jews because he's busy trying to find a solution to anti-Semitism.
I don't allow any quarter regarding Rev Wright's bigoted and hateful remarks.
But again, this is not the sandbox we conservatives need to play in to point out Obama's shocking lack of experience and his dangerously poor judgment, as well as questions on his overall integrity. There are many more, far better examples than the rantings of a bitter, lost clergyman.
Hey!! Shouldn't you guys all be in church??
We live in the U.S. of KKKA, says Wright.
Leaving for church now, Lars!
dtl - everything is relative, my old friend.
McCain hasn't carried on 20+ year relationships with any of the controversial preachers. Obama has a 20+ year close relationship with the Rev. Wright. The issue that bothers some serious people - though I think this will pass as an issue - is that it really is unlikely that Obama didn't know that the Rev really felt and spoke this way before. Obama only seems to address an issue when it comes up - he is never out in front of anything. And when he then distances himself, well, that just makes him a typical politician, and NOT a breath of fresh air.
In fact, that pretty much makes him incapable of being a "New" kind of candidiate, doesn't it?
In other words, by virtue of comparing Obama's stupidity to any other candidate, that proves that Obama is just business as ususal.
Lars,
Just sent the family off to early service (7:45), without kisses. Am home with strept throat.
But will watch service online at 9:45 - ahhh, the blessings of the internet!
B - If you're really saying that Obama, or anyone else, should dump a loyal friend just because they made some stupid comments - then you are a complete asshole.
Wright is not running for President. Obama is. He has renounced was Wright said (which is stupid as well - because Obama didn't say them). But to say that he should leave his church (which is what pompous assholes like you are demanding) is frankly - disgusting. And racist. Because you would never demand the same from a white person - if their preacher or priest said something stupid and bigoted (which they do EVERY day).
People like you disgust me.
B:
Watching church services over the internet? Do you know if that is becoming more and more common? I had never heard of that before.
George and B:
Actually I just sent the wife to church to pray for both of us.
She handles all theological matters for me.
Hopefully, when Obama becomes president, he'll appoint the Rev. Wright to handle all things pertaining to gays.
Dtl - you have been kind to help me out in the past with info on places in New York. Your suggestions were a great help when my daughter was out their during the last 2 Tony Awards (she had an internship with them).
Please do allow me to say though that I am not demanding that Obama leave his church at all. In fact, in a previous post on Althouse, I stated that I thought he had said enough on this issue, and we should move on. I don't really care one way or the other if he and Michelle continue there - it isn't something that I will be using in discussions about Obama's candidacy.
As I said earlier, there are enough problems with Obama as a candidate already (cough!-Rezko-excuse me!) that this doesn't even matter.
A pro-Hillary pastor has his own things to say. Surprisingly, they make we want to cuddle up to Rev. Wright by comparison.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khuu-RhOBDU&eurl=
Like with Obama, claiming the moral high ground is very popular.
I try to pretty well follow a live and let live life but, frankly, Obama's 20 year close association with Rev. Wright is disturbing and disconcerting to me. I realize that George's comparison to Hitler was tongue in cheek but there is some validity to the reasoning. I don't believe Obama when he says the hate filled rants of Rev. Wright are news to him so, sadly, that makes Obama a liar who thinks I'm stupid.
Criticize me and you are part of the forces of division. You're the one with the anger and bitterness and misunderstanding if you dwell on Wright's fomenting anger and bitterness and misunderstanding.
Criticize Islamic radicals for being murderers and they'll try and kill you as punishment.
Most of middle America can see Wright's church for what it is: A Klan rally in Blck sheets.
Obama needs to address the specifcs of Wright's hate speech point by point. He should explain what he did to heal the racial diversions at his church each Sunday. Another meeting with the Chicago press like he did with Rezko would be a start.
I for one wasn't gonna vote for him, but my wife would have and might today, but not if as it seems, he is just a different brand od race hustler.
ajlynch,
Extremely common.
I'm afraid that I won't reveal which Church I attend, as that could break some of the enjoyable respite I find here in anonymity - I am listed on the church website.
I will say though that it is an evangelical "megachurch" - there are tons of them here in Southern Cal. And everyone of them has online service broadcasts and online archives.
But it's not just megachurches or even large churches that broadcast their services online. Many with congregations of around 200+ also broadcast online, even if only audio. Broadcasting is like vlogging - not too expensive, and relatively easy to do well. The biggest cost factor is archiving.
If you're interested, Rick Warren's Saddleback church has a great site with live services online - by the way, Obama spoke there, to much controversy, in 2006.
Obama appearing on Imus Nov 22 2004, says how great the show is.
I have to tell you that my daughter's godmother loves you, worships this show, so she's probably listening right now, and I want to let her know that I appreciate her.
Her name is Kay Wilson and she lives in Olympia Field and she listens to you every day. That's what she told me.
Obama on the nappy headed ho' on how awful Imus is.
"I understand MSNBC has suspended Mr. Imus," Obama told ABC News, "but I would also say that there's nobody on my staff who would still be working for me if they made a comment like that about anybody of any ethnic group. And I would hope that NBC ends up having that same attitude."
"He didn't just cross the line," Obama said. "He fed into some of the worst stereotypes that my two young daughters are having to deal with today in America. The notions that as young African-American women -- who I hope will be athletes -- that that somehow makes them less beautiful or less important. It was a degrading comment. It's one that I'm not interested in supporting."
for a remarkably unexceptional remark.
The simplest explanation is that Obama lies.
"...Wright's fomenting anger and bitterness and misunderstanding."
Would it be so hard for you to simply tell it like it is?
Wright hates Whites.
Obama, too. Obama hates Whites.
Or is there still that residual fear in you that nakedly stating the naked truth would get you called a racist?
Call a spade a spade. The sky won't fall on you.
You might even find it liberating.
Obama lies.
Obama is a politician.
All politicians lie.
The only surprise here is that anyone finds it surprising.
George said...
It's like Hitler saying he can't respond to rumors of ill-treatment of Jews because he's busy trying to find a solution to anti-Semitism.
Sorry, pal. That is Hillary Clinton’s line when she gets caught up in a controversy.
downtownlad said...
B - If you're really saying that Obama, or anyone else, should dump a loyal friend just because they made some stupid comments - then you are a complete asshole.
People like you disgust me.
Following your logic, Hillary should dump Bill for all the stupid comments he has made. BTW, Reverend Wright and others in his type of Churches are not particularly warm to gays. Actually, they consider it an abomination. They also are pro-life. Better do some reading lad.
Since Obama believes white people are the devil, why exactly should I vote for him?
And why does he want white devils voting for him?
What government policies will flow from his belief that white people are devils?
"Obama, too. Obama hates Whites"
Wow, that is quite a statement.
"Since Obama believes white people are the devil, why exactly should I vote for him?"
Wow, another amazing statement.
OK, I am off for the day fellow republicans.
Stay happy. Be positive. Enjoy life.
Wow, another amazing statement.
Well, Titus, what makes you believe I should conclude otherwise?
Pogo:
Obama doesn't hate whites, he just thinks they are morally inferior.
Downtownlad...
A truly good person, "mensch" in Yiddish would never have a friend like Rev. Wright. The first five minutes of conversation would turn them off.
I think based on Obama's public statements one can conclude that he believes:
"Only whites can be racist"
did you guys know that "righteous" gay crusader downtownlad was too chickenshit to come out of the closet until he was in his 30s? Some crusader! Some of us were out in junior high. Remind him of this whenever he feels the need to vent all that self-hating bile from his overloaded spleen an gets all self-righteous and abusive towards others. Nasty closet queen. Your type disgusts me, as you so quaintly put it.
sorry for the off topic negative, but we must confront evil where we find it?
err, that wasn't supposed to be a query. We must confront evil where we find it!
DTL:
If you're really saying that Obama, or anyone else, should dump a loyal friend just because they made some stupid comments - then you are a complete asshole.
The point is that (1) these were not just "some stupid comments" but an attitude fundamental to Wright's character and his speech and yet (2) Obama is a "loyal friend" to Wright: Obama's choice of "loyal friends" shows something about his own character.
Wright is not running for President. Obama is. He has renounced was Wright said (which is stupid as well - because Obama didn't say them).
Reference above.
But to say that he should leave his church (which is what pompous assholes like you are demanding) is frankly - disgusting.
It's not that he should leave his church now, but that he should have left it years ago and he chose not to. His choosing to keep his family in that racist environment does not sit well with me.
Do I think Obama is a racist? No. (Though it is a legitimate question to ask). Rather, I think that his choice of church was a calculated political decision that was useful for a time but has costs on the national stage.
... And racist. Because you would never demand the same from a white person - if their preacher or priest said something stupid and bigoted (which they do EVERY day).
(1) You're making things up.
(2) I don't know what preachers or priests you've known, but I promise you that they aren't all as bad as you seem to think.
(3) Even if what you say were true, it's not the demand that Obama leave that's racist, it's the alleged double standard. The demand itself is still reasonable (though as I said, Obama should have left a long time ago).
(4) ... But what you say is not true.
If McCain had a similar long-standing relationship with a racist church I would want to know why and I would want some very good reasons not to hold it against him.
And no, an endorsement is not the same as a 20 year relationship--though it should be questioned, it's not at the same level of concern.
People like you disgust me.
Come on, DTL. Ad Hominem Never goes anywhere.
And here, at least, the reasons that these people "disgust" you seem to be nothing more than words you've placed in their mouths.
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Ok, I think that covers just about everything. If you still don't think this is a legitimate reason to be concerned about Obama, I can't help you.
I suggest you go look up all the videos of Wright you can find and judge for yourself--just keep in mind that this is what Obama's been hearing (by his own choice) every Sunday for 20-odd years.
Good day.
Palladian said...
did you guys know that "righteous" gay crusader downtownlad was too chickenshit to come out of the closet until he was in his 30s?
He's that old? From his rants and rages, I thought he was in his late teens or early twenties. You know the type, old enough to know everthing and stupid enough to never learn anything.
There is a good example here of guilt by association. When I commented on downtowlad's statement, I didn't know he was gay, nor care. I never did anything to gays, or blacks, etc and I expect not to be treated as if I were the basher or lyncher. That is why Rev. Wrights remarks are inexcusable. Most of us out here, even the conservatives like me don't give a hoot if someone is black, blue, gay, or whatever as long as they are good citizens and neighbors and treat us with equal respect.
"They're essentially saying that all black people (except Uncle Toms) are automatically disqualified from being President."
If the definition of a black person is someone who thinks like Wright does, and the definition of an Uncle Tom is one who does not think like Wright does, then let me be the first to say that by those definitions I think any black person as defined by downtownlad should be automatically disqualified from being President.
Further, given that Obama claims now (rather unbelievably) to find the expressed views of Wright to be reprehensible, then by downtownlad's definition, Obama is not a black person but just an Uncle Tom. Therefore, we are free to oppose Obama without being cast as racist because he's just an Uncle Tom, who by downtownlad's assertion we do not automatically disqualify from being President.
Or something like that. It is difficult for normal, middle of the road people to think the way partisan hacks do.
What I don't get is that racial ignorance by whites is deplorable (and there's a lot of it), but for blacks it's understandable. And it's ignorance, plain and simple. How can people actually believe AIDS was created to kill black people?
Rev. Wright is a symptom. These ideas and attitudes are actually very common. You've all heard them before. We ignore it most of the time, but they're there.
If we can't talk about ignorance, then it's really hard to dispel. So let's talk about it. Why do we allow so many wacko opinions to go unchallenged? Just because we're embarrassed to criticize anything coming from a group oppressed for so long? Just because of our own guilt?
You can't let history justify holding opinions that are nuts. Otherwise, pretty soon any libel can be justified on the basis that people already believe it. Dumb!
Palladian can only attack me rather than reaponding to the facts.
Typical.
What a bunch of bigots on here. Almost every black person in America (except Uncle Toms) knows somebody like Reverand Wright. And these racists (almost everyone on this thread) have now disqualified 99 percent of black Americans from being President. Just because of guilt by association.
I don't care what rev wright thinks of gays. He's not running for President. Obama is and his record on gay rights is superb
McCain hangs out with his buddy Hagee and fat ignoramouses like Palladian are silent about that.no wonder he has no gay friends and his artwork doesn't sell.
Hypocrites
B.- apologies if I mistakingly thought that you wanted Obama to quit his Chuch.
However - that is what everyone else is calling for. Can you imagine if the Democrats were demanding that Romney quit his Church?
Disgusting racists like Palladian who dare to tell a Black American where they can and cannot worship disgust me.
Disgusting racists like Palladian who dare to tell a Black American where they can and cannot worship disgust me.
You're lucky it's a transitive verb.
It doesn't work with disagreeable racists, for example.
I said nothing at all on the subject of Obama's relationship with Wright. Downtownlad just attacks people in an embarrassingly juvenile attempt at getting attention without actually meriting attention. It's the modus operandi of a toddler: throw a tantrum and scream and people will pay attention to you. And any attention is good attention.
Downtownlad was shut up inside that closet so long he's brain damaged from lack of oxygen. I'm a racist? Tell that to my Dominicano boyfriend.
My advice: ignore downtownlad, unless you're just into abusing him. Otherwise he doesn't merit a serious argument, nor do his droppings merit a thoughtful response.
From Obama's book:
And so it went, a meditation on a fallen world. While the boys next to me doodled on their church bulletin, Reverend Wright spoke of Sharpsville and Hiroshima, the callousness of policy makers in the White House and in the State House. As the sermon unfolded, though, the stories of strife became more prosaic, the pain more immediate. The reverend spoke of the hardship that the congregation would face tomorrow, the pain of those far from the mountaintop, worrying about paying the light bill…
Looks like Obama also has tapes of Rev. Wrights eermon's AND obviously agrees with the POV. Certainly, his wife does. America is "Mean" and until Obama ran for POTUS didn't deserve her love or respect.
This "KKK America" attitude will be beloved by liberals. In the rest of the country - just the opposite.
Zimbabwe is a perfect example of considering past wrongs as rightful policy. Rev. Wright would still be ranting about the racist white folks who are now either gone or dead, and everyone else would be starving.
Anyone else on here want to nominate DTL as Obama's official spokesman on Wright?
How do dtl and palladian know each other?
My sense on Jeremiah Wright is that there is a lot of good, a lot of talent in the man - as well as Leftist crap and being someone that panders to the black racism of his audience.
If you want blame, it has to start with the people that truly shaped black attitudes and class resentments. Who made anti-Americanism and identity politics and victimization "the" thing black intellectuals did. That would be the communist Jews that set up the NAACP and other "Fronts" mainly as black grievance vehicles they would control behind the scenes. And black socialists like WEB Dubois, nourished by the Euro and NYC crowd - who wanted government-forced equality in all spheres. They won against the forces that emphasized self-reliance, and had created booming black metropolitan areas. That was the "self-education, hard work, family stability, and Uplift will come Naturally" approach of Booker T Washington and that school of thought.
Jeremiah Wright is a man of great achievements. Probably 95-98% of what he has done with his life is for the good. Juxtipose him with Billy Graham - who you can say was a force for huge good but if you look at his associations and sermons you can pull out some anti-semitism, toadying up to corporate wealth, groveling obsequiousness to the "greatness" of Presidents he pal'ed around with, like LJB and Nixon. Or Saint Martin, Himself. Whose quite odious side is discretely buried from view with his elevation to part-diety and perfect man and Greatest Head Negro, ever.
Wright was an accomplished scholar, with grad degrees not just in theology, but English. He has written 5 well-received books. He is a better-educated and smarter Mike Huckabee. He served with distinction in the Marines before becoming a preacher. Shifting from a GI to be a medical corpsman and the Valedictorian of his 1963 Marine medic class.
Along the way, he found himself preaching to an audience of grievance-nourishing blacks and tailored himself to that audience. Part of that is the recent black history where blacks fought for and got self-determination of the black civil rights movement and political control of black voters away from the control and manipulation of Jewish Leftists.
For the past, Jews are especially unpopular nationwide with african-americans..well-meaning in some ways, but guilty of economic exploitation of blacks and emasculating them, politically. Wright's preaching reflects that - but clings to the Leftist boilerplate that blacks were taught by Jewish communists leading the NAACP, SCLC, etc.
His anti-Iraq war Q&A is standard Lefty speak:
http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2003/Iraq-IQ-Test-Wright23feb03.htm
For Obama, his problem is not Wright so much as all these associations with Left-radicals in his past that keep coming up, along with an extreme liberal voting record and lack of bipartisanship that suggests he is more like Jesse Jackson than a "person who transcends all race and petty politics". They keep popping up.
1. Wright is not like Mike Huckabee getting an endorsement from a Fundie Whacko he doesn't know. Obama knew Wright for 20 years after Michelle led him there, and called Wright a huge inspiration to him and his family. If he is to be believed, he knew nothing about some of Wright's views for 20 years, but listened enough to somehow be "transformed" and to show Wright's influence in the 2 books he wrote.
2.His "speech of superior judgment" turns out to be done at the direct request of a radical Jewish ex-SDS member (Marilyn Katz) who was to link Obama up with 4-5 Jewish Mega-Rich donors like Bettelu Saltzman, The Crown Family, Penny Pritzger - and to David Axelrod - all vehemently anti-Iraq war, as was the Mayor and the State's other Senator, Dick Durbin - who Saltzman was chief of staff for earlier.
3. His speech of "superior judgement" was delivered at a Jesse Jackson rally against the racist evil war, attended by 300 hardcore Left and various NOI, Chicago black activists. It was not daring because he was actually helping his re-election chances in his solid Left District and was just what the other Senator was saying and being anti-war opened up millions in funding for his Senate run from radical to liberal wealthy Elites.
3. He writes of his "mentor black" who substituted for his long-gone Biodaddy who turns out to be a flaming communist with a big FBI file.
4. We find out that Obama used NOI officers as part of campaigns. Shakir Mohammed was Obama's community rep in his state Senate campaign. Muslims Cynthia Miller served as his Senate election Treasurer, and Jennifer Mason as his current director of hiring and constituent services.
5. We find his sugar daddy, Tony Resko, didn't contribute 30,000 to Obama's state senate runs, but 150,000. A huge sum. And we find that Resko is partners with Elijah Mohammed's son, made 26 trips to the ME since 2002 for mostly undisclosed "business", and that former Saddam Hussein arms merchant and Iraqi billionaire Hamdi Auchi has apparantly paid for a lot of Obama campaign funding and part of Obama's house via "pass-through" money Resko handled.
6. We find that his mother elected to stay in Indonesia for 30 years after her divorce and only return when she was dying. That while in Indonesia, she made many Leftist, up to - anti-American remarks.
"B - If you're really saying that Obama, or anyone else, should dump a loyal friend just because they made some stupid comments - then you are a complete asshole"
That just begs the question--Why was Obama a friend to a racially incendiary anti-white preacher anyway?
titusgrandjete said...
How do dtl and palladian know each other?
Good question. I haven't noticed either in the comments for quite a while, and then, suddenly, here they both are, bickering away again. Hmmm...has anyone actually seen them both at the same time?
On the internet, no one knows you're a split personality.
"We find that his mother elected to stay in Indonesia for 30 years after her divorce and only return when she was dying"
And here I thought she was a poor single mom who worked all her life for "the man" and then got dumped by her insurer. Thanks for the enlightenment!
"We've got a lot of pent-up anger and bitterness and misunderstanding. ... This country wants to move beyond these kinds of things."
While the statement is true and laudable, I do not think Senaotr Obama realizes just who he is addressing. Wright is the one who needs to move beyond. Ms. Obama too. I am sorry that the Senator's friends have so much bitterness and misunderstanding, and I wish them well with letting it go.
Trey
Trey
Just keep that Messiah thing going.
How do dtl and palladian know each other?
Carnally?
They certainly sound like bitter ex-lovers.
Almost every black person in America (except Uncle Toms) knows somebody like Reverand Wright. And these racists (almost everyone on this thread) have now disqualified 99 percent of black Americans from being President.
Every white person knows someone like David Duke. Just because you know someone, doesn't mean you choose to associate with them. Obama knew the church he was joining is into "liberation theology." He knows the line of preaching is "blame the white man." His church despises people like Bill Cosby, Condi Rice, and Colin Powell and embraces those like Farrakhan.
An African American who transcends race is someone who disassociates themselves with the radicalism of these types of groups both in words and action. Obama has a problem with the action part of it.
Obama will still get all the self loathing liberal whites to vote for him in the general election. Fortuantely for America, however, there are not enough of these self- loathing types to win (we hope).
"sound like bitter ex-lovers"
Not to me; Palladian simply has a good bs detector and does not suffer fools gladly.
Leave it to C-fudd to drop to his knees to suck off Wright because of his anti-Israel, pro-Farrakhan rants. By the way Fudd, have you noticed that nobody is listening to you? Now here comes rcocean rushing to defend his bunk buddy.
Oops, forgot to mention Fudd's impeccable logic that the NOI is the creation of "Jewish Communists".
McCain has sucked up to Christian preachers who have called for the execution of gay people.
What the Hagee that McCain rushed to embrace is most noted for is his belief that God smote New Orleans with Katrina to prevent the Gay Pride Parade.
I wish the people who think Pastor Wright is racist would explain the proper respectful attitude that blacks should take towards white people -- and why they should take it.
I remember that when I was a kid, Elijah Muhammad wanted the descendants of slaves to have their own country, I guess so they would be out of the white man's shadow. I just laughed. What government would carve out territory to give to a formerly persecuted ethnic minority, expelling the current inhabitants? Who would support them till they got on their feet? That kind of weird shit could never happen on earth.
FLS,
Pres Lincoln wanted to do just that. Marcus Garvey had that as the centerpiece of his Back to Africa movement in the early part of the 20th century. Liberia was intially started for that basis.
downtownlad,
How many Black people do you know? I mean really know, not just know enough to say hello to? How many are friends, associates, or aquaintences?
You seem to be an expert on Black people, what they know, how they operate, and what they think. So, how many do you really know?
Middleclassguy - I count three as good friends. One is from the south side of Chicago.
Does that meet your quota?
Titus - I don't know Palladian.my gay friends are good looking and fabulous.
Sorry Palladian - dictating where Obama can or can't go to Church - as you have done - makes you a racist.
FLS: As a certified evil (pronounced E-veal) twofer (white and male), here is what I ask, er dictate (if Palladian can dictate per DTL, then so can I gosh dang it) of not all black people, but at least of Mr. Wright:
"Do unto others as you would have others do unto you."
I'm sure that will be defined as all racist and such - after all a white guy wrote it. But it sounds nice and seems to work for a lot of people.
So, will you be so kind as to communicate the above to the good Mr. Wright? Thanks so much.
Oh and if he forgets, tell him there is a big black book with a lot writing in small print in his office that sort of revolves around that concept. Its called 'The Bible'. That's B-I-B-L-E. Write it down for him, he obviously is not familiar with it.
Now excuse while I get back to Buffy who is making me the most scrumpuous mayonaise sandwich on plain vanilla white. Yum.
Gary,
You're an obvious sock puppet. But whose?
"You're an obvious sock puppet. But whose?"
LMAO. If it were "obvious" that I were a sock puppet, then it would be obvious whose I was. Gary Rosen is my real name, too bad I can't post my driver's license. The only confusion might be that there are other people named "Gary Rosen"; e. g. there is a Gary Rosen who writes for Commentary but I'm not him.
The only thing "obvious" here is that rcocean is a nitwit.
But Gary why do only post AFTER
Cederford and only to attack him?
Its obvious sock puppet behavior.
FLS, thanks for asking!
From Matthew 5:
You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' 44 But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven.
Or maybe: From Luke 6:
"But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you."
Those are a couple of famous ones. They are from the Bible that Christians are supposed to revere and follow.
Just a thought for the "reverend" Wright.
Trey
"But Gary why do only post AFTER
Cederford and only to attack him?"
Um, because I disagree with him? Not merely disagree with him, but consider him a blathering antisemitic douchebag? I like to taunt such people, it's a quirk of mine.
"Its obvious sock puppet behavior."
Huh? How so? Do you think I'm *his* sock puppet or vice-versa???
Puh-leeze.
I wish the people who think Pastor Wright is racist would explain the proper respectful attitude that blacks should take towards white people
A colorblind society would be a nice start...
-- and why they should take it.
Because racism is never justified. Even if you've been victimized by it. All you're doing is giving that pendulum more momentum.
Churches like Obama's are not much different from the Saudi Madrassas or Hitler Youth rallies.
Hitler Youth Rallies?? C'mon Fen. I despise Wright's rants as much as anyone and enjoy seeing Obama hoist on this petard. But I think the situation will play itself out just fine without invoking Godwin's Law. Now Saudi Madrassas, you may have a point ...
Gary, I am losing the distinction you make between the Hitler Youth and Madrassas. Could you elaborate a bit on that please?
Trey
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