Bush should reassert the conservative agenda. The ownership society, school choice, welfare to work, personal responsibility.
As the true facts become known about Katrina (lower death toll, faster recover time, etc..), Americans are going to start realizing that they have been hoodwinked by the television media into believing this disaster is far worse than any other disaster.
Where is the evidence that President Bush is, himself, a "racist?" Perhaps it's there and my own blinders keep me from seeing it.
What a grand historic moment it would be if, in the appropriate context and without "hurrichicanery," Pres. Bush could convey our common evolutionary essence. A la "Ich bin ein Berliner" or "We are all New Yorkers," I would love to hear him acknowledge, "I am African American." As we all are.
Maybe you are right Jim, but it is looking like even your whittled down estimations are way too high.
Its not 3000 dead, it might only be a few hundred dead.
Now it turns out that the part of New Orleans is up and running again (the business district has power), and the whole city may be drained by October. Further, it now appears that the disaster will have far less impact on the economy, and that oil prices are actually falling. These are vast improvements from the original concerns and estimates.
Im not arguing that it isn't still a disaster, it's just not the worst disaster, and may soon be falling out of the top 10.
The reporting on this story could turn out to be the largest media fraud in history. People are going to be PISSED. What if you usally give a few $hundred for these types of disasters, but gave $1000 because this was supposed to be the worst disaster only to find out a few weeks later that it wasn't.
Sloanasaurus asked: What if you usally give a few $hundred for these types of disasters, but gave $1000 because this was supposed to be the worst disaster only to find out a few weeks later that it wasn't.
You mean like maybe I'd want my money back? I don't think so. I gave to a worthwhile agency; not to the disaster. And I'll be glad, assuming my taxes continue to be reduced, that I'll have even more to give.
Saul wrote: "I do think that the disaster does point out flaws in free market economics. I am all for free market where it makes sense. However, in the future, I think a little more governmental intervention to get people out would be appropriate."
I don't get your point. 'Getting people out' prior to, and after a disaster is essentially a 100% governmental function as shown clearly in the excerpts below from the Louisiana State Emergency Operations Plan April 2005, and Supliment 1A (Southeast Louisiana Hurricane Evacuation and Sheltering Plan):
"V. DIRECTION AND CONTROL
A. The Governor is responsible for the coordinated delivery of all emergency services, public, quasi volunteer, and private, during a natural, technological and/or national security emergency/disaster situation. The Governor has delegated the LOHSEP (ed: Louisiana Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness) Director the authority to implement this plan, and to direct State level emergency operations through the regularly constituted governmental structure. .... D. Local governments are responsible under all applicable laws, executive orders, proclamations, rules, regulations, and ordinances for emergency management within their respective jurisdiction. Local emergency management organizations shall function from designated EOC's (ed: Emergency Operations Center) and are subject to the direction and control of the executive heads of government, in coordination with the Governor and the LOHSEP Director. ....
"The primary means of hurricane evacuation will be personal vehicles. School and municipal buses, government-owned vehicles and vehicles provided by volunteer agencies may be used to provide transportation for individuals who lack transportation and require assistance in evacuating."
Could you be more specific as to exactly how free market economics negatively impacted evacuation efforts and prevented state and local governmental authorities from fulfilling their duties as outlined above?
leeontheroad. Good observation regarding evacuated people and the effect as social experiment. I suppose the final number actually remaining displaced from New Orleans will determine the scale, scope, and value of the 'experiment' aspect of the disaster. I know our city has taken in quite a few evacuees here in California. We are about as much *not* New Orleans as you can find. We'll see if they stay or go back home.
Either way, I wish these people all the best and sincerely hope their futures are bright and safe...
I run a site of poems written by, for and about those affected by Hurricane Katrina. There are a few submitted which comment on or allude to the "race" question regarding Hurricane Katrina. It's at Hellicane
Ann is right on the money again. Just like her call on John Stewart.
Bumiller's rant es muy estupido. An anonymous negative comment by a Bush supporter? Suuuure. I believe it. But I love this line most: Bishop Jakes, a multimillionaire and best-selling author, is to deliver the sermon this Friday ... Say what? He's black and rich? Well, that must mean something, but I wonder what??
The breathless media talking heads caused much panic and anger among the hurricane victims and across the nation. Their method was not planned strategery, but an example of the standard MSM viewpoint for all of its stories, every day. The bias is usually not so evident, but more often rather subtle, marked more by what part of the story was excluded than anything overt.
But this was take-the-gloves-off exploitation. And it made things worse. I only watched one day of the news, and found it so sickening, I just read blogs, and watched with the sound off.
Of late, I find the mute botton on TV enormously useful.
It's quite possible that when the final body count is in, there will be less dead in the hurricane than on the staffs of some of the mainstream media organizations.
Saul: Not insuring homes in New Orleans would not be a market failure, but the market working as it should; that's a signal to people that it's a really bad idea to build a house there, if it's so risky nobody will insure it (or won't insure it at rates anyone's willing to pay).
That we do not like the information market signals give us does not mean the market is failing.
Midroad Most of these posts must be done by K Rove puppets. Take the blame away from a blundering president whose remarks and behavior before and after the hurricane was inept and lacked any background information and knowledge about what happened before, after and during the hurricane. I think the media has been to soft on Bush and his administration. He blundered and know he is being scripted. Without a script he was stupid and did not have his act together which is what happens when he is not scripted or does not have a planted scripted audience. I am not certain if he is racist or not but he favors the rich at every turn. Bush blew it and now Rove likes are trying to cover up by putting all the blame on local democrats instead of owning up to their own blunders. This administration has never admitted to any blunders and turns things around to make it look like everyone messed up but them. Nice job Brownie, no levee problems, etc. All the right wing media is so slanted and now they are trying to back the Rove deceptions of blaming, smearing and lying about those that criticize Bush and the administration. The conservative agenda, Rove's deceptive and unethical tacticss, along with right wing media have created a polarized and divided society. I do not think any of the media should let up on Bush and the administration. They have screwed up just about everything they have touched and need to be held accountable. That is what the media is supposed to do instead of sucking up to them as they have done in the past.
Dear Richard, No, not Karl Rove's fault. It is the fault of bush. Rove is the cya guy for bush blunders. Rove is an intelligent, unethical, vicous behind the scenes sneak. Bush blunder, Rove deviously and without honor covers for the spoiled kid now and in the past. I just wanted to make sure you did not misrepresent who is at fault and that the blame belongs to georgie porgie. Goooooooooo Brownie, or should I say gone Brownie.
While I agree with Mack in his comments above, I wonder if questions need to be asked about whether FEMA should be a first responder. Considering that FEMA is going to get blamed in the future over any mishap that isn't their fault to begin with, maybe the Feds should take control over everything else to correct those mistakes. The problem, however, is that no Governor would ever relinquish this power to the feds.
Sloanasaurus: Whether this hurricane turns out to be less catastrophic than was originally thought or not-and you're being either extremely naive or extremely pigheaded in believing death tally is the only measure that matters; most of these people had little to nothing to begin with, and now they have no shelter; America can't even fund its own health care system correctly, how is it going to rebuild the homes of thousands of people in 3 months? winter's fast approaching-the fact that you're trying to downplay it is odd at best. This was an American tragedy, and the fact that you've written so much to downplay how bad it was makes it seem as though, to put it in your terms, YOU HATE AMERICA.
Given the market working, won't we see those areas of New Orleans with few claims still able to find insurance at reasonable rates? My house will need some roof tiles, my refridgerator will have to be replaced (it's a toxic dump by now), and I may have some sheetrock and window panes to replace as well. And that may be the case with a large swath of the city.
There are more voices than Kanye West's talking to black constituents; Carol Mosley Braun said she specifically does not believe the slow response and various problems on the city, state and national level were due to racism, in terms of acts of commission, but rather acts of ommission--the fact that so often mainstream American--whites and middleclass blacks both--don't see or give much thought to poverty-class blacks. Certainly Mayor Nagin is going to have to atone for his failure to help the poor and ill get out of the city. Usher called Kanye West's comments exaggerated, and Chris Rock lampooned West as well.
Ploops, I agree that the property destruction matters. However, it does not matter on the same scale as the death toll. Property is even worth less in 21st century America where one can do the work that took hundreds or even thousands of workers 100 years ago.
At any given time in the United states there are some 12 million vacant housing units. Perhaps some will be available for the evacuees from New Orleans.
I am not downplaying the disaster. I am just pointing out the fraud being committed by those who want to make the disaster something it is not.
Uh, no sloan. You're kind of taking every opportunity you get to lecture about how the hurricane isn't that bad a disaster. And while, yes, construction is miles ahead of where it was 100 years go, we still don't have the powers of magic. It still takes time and money to reconstruct things.
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Bush should reassert the conservative agenda. The ownership society, school choice, welfare to work, personal responsibility.
As the true facts become known about Katrina (lower death toll, faster recover time, etc..), Americans are going to start realizing that they have been hoodwinked by the television media into believing this disaster is far worse than any other disaster.
Where is the evidence that President Bush is, himself, a "racist?" Perhaps it's there and my own blinders keep me from seeing it.
What a grand historic moment it would be if, in the appropriate context and without "hurrichicanery," Pres. Bush could convey our common evolutionary essence. A la "Ich bin ein Berliner" or "We are all New Yorkers," I would love to hear him acknowledge, "I am African American." As we all are.
Maybe you are right Jim, but it is looking like even your whittled down estimations are way too high.
Its not 3000 dead, it might only be a few hundred dead.
Now it turns out that the part of New Orleans is up and running again (the business district has power), and the whole city may be drained by October. Further, it now appears that the disaster will have far less impact on the economy, and that oil prices are actually falling. These are vast improvements from the original concerns and estimates.
Im not arguing that it isn't still a disaster, it's just not the worst disaster, and may soon be falling out of the top 10.
The reporting on this story could turn out to be the largest media fraud in history. People are going to be PISSED. What if you usally give a few $hundred for these types of disasters, but gave $1000 because this was supposed to be the worst disaster only to find out a few weeks later that it wasn't.
Sloanasaurus asked: What if you usally give a few $hundred for these types of disasters, but gave $1000 because this was supposed to be the worst disaster only to find out a few weeks later that it wasn't.
You mean like maybe I'd want my money back? I don't think so. I gave to a worthwhile agency; not to the disaster. And I'll be glad, assuming my taxes continue to be reduced, that I'll have even more to give.
Saul wrote: "I do think that the disaster does point out flaws in free market economics. I am all for free market where it makes sense. However, in the future, I think a little more governmental intervention to get people out would be appropriate."
I don't get your point. 'Getting people out' prior to, and after a disaster is essentially a 100% governmental function as shown clearly in the excerpts below from the Louisiana State Emergency Operations Plan April 2005, and Supliment 1A (Southeast Louisiana Hurricane Evacuation and Sheltering Plan):
"V. DIRECTION AND CONTROL
A. The Governor is responsible for the coordinated delivery of all emergency services, public, quasi volunteer, and private, during a natural, technological and/or national security emergency/disaster situation. The Governor has delegated the LOHSEP (ed: Louisiana Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness) Director the authority to implement this plan, and to direct State level emergency operations through the regularly constituted governmental structure.
....
D. Local governments are responsible under all applicable laws, executive orders, proclamations, rules, regulations, and ordinances for emergency management within their respective jurisdiction. Local emergency management organizations shall function from designated EOC's (ed: Emergency Operations Center) and are subject to the direction and control of the executive heads of government, in coordination with the Governor and the LOHSEP Director.
....
"The primary means of hurricane evacuation will be personal vehicles. School and municipal buses, government-owned vehicles and vehicles provided by volunteer agencies may be used to provide transportation for individuals who lack transportation and require assistance in
evacuating."
Could you be more specific as to exactly how free market economics negatively impacted evacuation efforts and prevented state and local governmental authorities from fulfilling their duties as outlined above?
leeontheroad. Good observation regarding evacuated people and the effect as social experiment. I suppose the final number actually remaining displaced from New Orleans will determine the scale, scope, and value of the 'experiment' aspect of the disaster. I know our city has taken in quite a few evacuees here in California. We are about as much *not* New Orleans as you can find. We'll see if they stay or go back home.
Either way, I wish these people all the best and sincerely hope their futures are bright and safe...
I run a site of poems written by, for and about those affected by Hurricane Katrina. There are a few submitted which comment on or allude to the "race" question regarding Hurricane Katrina. It's at Hellicane
Ann is right on the money again. Just like her call on John Stewart.
Bumiller's rant es muy estupido. An anonymous negative comment by a Bush supporter? Suuuure. I believe it. But I love this line most: Bishop Jakes, a multimillionaire and best-selling author, is to deliver the sermon this Friday ... Say what? He's black and rich? Well, that must mean something, but I wonder what??
The breathless media talking heads caused much panic and anger among the hurricane victims and across the nation. Their method was not planned strategery, but an example of the standard MSM viewpoint for all of its stories, every day. The bias is usually not so evident, but more often rather subtle, marked more by what part of the story was excluded than anything overt.
But this was take-the-gloves-off exploitation. And it made things worse. I only watched one day of the news, and found it so sickening, I just read blogs, and watched with the sound off.
Of late, I find the mute botton on TV enormously useful.
It's quite possible that when the final body count is in, there will be less dead in the hurricane than on the staffs of some of the mainstream media organizations.
Saul: Not insuring homes in New Orleans would not be a market failure, but the market working as it should; that's a signal to people that it's a really bad idea to build a house there, if it's so risky nobody will insure it (or won't insure it at rates anyone's willing to pay).
That we do not like the information market signals give us does not mean the market is failing.
Midroad
Most of these posts must be done by K Rove puppets. Take the blame away from a blundering president whose remarks and behavior before and after the hurricane was inept and lacked any background information and knowledge about what happened before, after and during the hurricane. I think the media has been to soft on Bush and his administration. He blundered and know he is being scripted. Without a script he was stupid and did not have his act together which is what happens when he is not scripted or does not have a planted scripted audience. I am not certain if he is racist or not but he favors the rich at every turn. Bush blew it and now Rove likes are trying to cover up by putting all the blame on local democrats instead of owning up to their own blunders. This administration has never admitted to any blunders and turns things around to make it look like everyone messed up but them. Nice job Brownie, no levee problems, etc. All the right wing media is so slanted and now they are trying to back the Rove deceptions of blaming, smearing and lying about those that criticize Bush and the administration. The conservative agenda, Rove's deceptive and unethical tacticss, along with right wing media have created a polarized and divided society. I do not think any of the media should let up on Bush and the administration. They have screwed up just about everything they have touched and need to be held accountable. That is what the media is supposed to do instead of sucking up to them as they have done in the past.
Dear Richard,
No, not Karl Rove's fault. It is the fault of bush. Rove is the cya guy for bush blunders. Rove is an intelligent, unethical, vicous behind the scenes sneak. Bush blunder, Rove deviously and without honor covers for the spoiled kid now and in the past. I just wanted to make sure you did not misrepresent who is at fault and that the blame belongs to georgie porgie.
Goooooooooo Brownie, or should I say gone Brownie.
While I agree with Mack in his comments above, I wonder if questions need to be asked about whether FEMA should be a first responder. Considering that FEMA is going to get blamed in the future over any mishap that isn't their fault to begin with, maybe the Feds should take control over everything else to correct those mistakes. The problem, however, is that no Governor would ever relinquish this power to the feds.
Sloanasaurus: Whether this hurricane turns out to be less catastrophic than was originally thought or not-and you're being either extremely naive or extremely pigheaded in believing death tally is the only measure that matters; most of these people had little to nothing to begin with, and now they have no shelter; America can't even fund its own health care system correctly, how is it going to rebuild the homes of thousands of people in 3 months? winter's fast approaching-the fact that you're trying to downplay it is odd at best. This was an American tragedy, and the fact that you've written so much to downplay how bad it was makes it seem as though, to put it in your terms, YOU HATE AMERICA.
Given the market working, won't we see those areas of New Orleans with few claims still able to find insurance at reasonable rates? My house will need some roof tiles, my refridgerator will have to be replaced (it's a toxic dump by now), and I may have some sheetrock and window panes to replace as well. And that may be the case with a large swath of the city.
There are more voices than Kanye West's talking to black constituents; Carol Mosley Braun said she specifically does not believe the slow response and various problems on the city, state and national level were due to racism, in terms of acts of commission, but rather acts of ommission--the fact that so often mainstream American--whites and middleclass blacks both--don't see or give much thought to poverty-class blacks. Certainly Mayor Nagin is going to have to atone for his failure to help the poor and ill get out of the city. Usher called Kanye West's comments exaggerated, and Chris Rock lampooned West as well.
Ploops, I agree that the property destruction matters. However, it does not matter on the same scale as the death toll. Property is even worth less in 21st century America where one can do the work that took hundreds or even thousands of workers 100 years ago.
At any given time in the United states there are some 12 million vacant housing units. Perhaps some will be available for the evacuees from New Orleans.
I am not downplaying the disaster. I am just pointing out the fraud being committed by those who want to make the disaster something it is not.
Uh, no sloan. You're kind of taking every opportunity you get to lecture about how the hurricane isn't that bad a disaster. And while, yes, construction is miles ahead of where it was 100 years go, we still don't have the powers of magic. It still takes time and money to reconstruct things.
This story is unfolding; it's not told yet. Naming anything--fraud, failure, success--is premature.
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