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Why is Talarico saying this and what does it mean — especially the comparison to LBJ?

"The American people cannot wait two years for change so we must work with President Trump. If President Trump wants the same plaques, and portraits, and busts as LBJ, we can help make that a reality. We should make the final two years of his presidency the most productive of any presidency in American history."

I hear that as: We should humor Trump where we can.... and that is where it has to do with his screwy ego. We did it with Lyndon Baines Johnson, and we can do it here.

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Ann Althouse বলেছেন...

For more on Talarico's speech, see "Democrats can’t wait until after Trump to produce results, James Talarico says/The senator-elect told a crowd at a Democratic conference that Congress should work with Trump and make his final two years in office productive" (NBC News).

Aggie বলেছেন...

Isolation is the key. He'll be wagging his head in disappointment, pretending to be sad that it just didn't work out, even though they reached out their hand. This is a tactic, something he learned in theological school.

Christopher B বলেছেন...

Robert Byrd nods

Joe Bar বলেছেন...

Again, I find that guy creepy as hell. I still find it unbelievable Texans elected him.

Achilles বলেছেন...

One thing I will say for Talarici is He’s right here. He isn’t as retarded as the people who voted for him.

But the Democrats are already going after the rare earth miners And anyone who threatens their Chinese paymasters.

It’ll be less than a week after Democrats take power when Al Green files his impeachment papers.

Democrats are going after SpaceX in Texas trying to shut down their launches to keep public beaches open that nobody uses.

Democrats think that having control of the house in the Senate gives them the ability to import millions of people into the country and passed amnesty.

Democrats are gonna find out how the constitution actually works and how popular open borders actually are after they spend two years trying to pass them.

tim maguire বলেছেন...

I hear it as Talarico has already started running for reelection.

AMDG বলেছেন...

If the Democrats indulged Trump’s ego he would sign any bill they put in front of him.

Peachy+2 বলেছেন...

I'm all for Democrats shedding their addiction to Chi Com money for power - and their addiction to harm and decay.

Peachy+2 বলেছেন...

Waste, fraud and abuse - in secrecy... de-funding the police, allowing mass-illegals to have drivers licenses and getting these same illegals on the voter rolls, on Social Security, and on tax payer funded welfare... + defunding and dismantled ICE are the hallmarks of the Modern Democrat party.
If the dems stop all of that - I'm listening.

Aggie বলেছেন...

'...It’ll be less than a week after Democrats take power when Al Green files his impeachment papers....'

I wonder how that will work. Isn't he out of office then? I thought he lost in the primaries.

Peachy+2 বলেছেন...

Impeachment theater is all they have.

boatbuilder বলেছেন...

Nice words. Let's hope he can follow up. He's a politician and knows that Texas is hardly as blue as the midterms suggest.

Was he speaking at some LBJ-centered facility or event? LBJ is almost universally reviled these days (maybe except in Texas?)

Howard বলেছেন...

The Democrats need Republican voters to win

ronetc বলেছেন...

Well, since he lost his primary, probably not: "It’ll be less than a week after Democrats take power when Al Green files his impeachment papers." Although I believe he is trying to do it now, before he loses his perch.

Marcus Bressler বলেছেন...

The Left hated LBJ. And the Right realized what he did to America with his Great Society.

boatbuilder বলেছেন...

Massie lost in the primary and he already filed impeachment papers (for Hegseth). Theater isn't limited to one party.

RideSpaceMountain বলেছেন...

Please god let them call it "Great Society v2.0" because it would be so effing funny.

RideSpaceMountain বলেছেন...

"I still find it unbelievable Texans elected him."

They're going to regret it in record time. Call it a hunch.

Spiros Pappas বলেছেন...

There's an opening in healthcare. Trump might approve a public option, which would compete alongside private insurance.

Ann Althouse বলেছেন...

"Again, I find that guy creepy as hell. I still find it unbelievable Texans elected him."

LOL (in the proximity of LBJ, the ultimate weirdo).

Strick বলেছেন...

I'm Generation Jones, so I don't remember LBJ for being a particularly attractive presidential model to follow.

All the folders of dirt on members of Congress and J, Edgar Hoover? Yeah, that's what we need in the age of AI surveillance.

Lead a coalition to enact the Great Society? Sure, populist pablum that failed miserably. We should expect more social programs like that?

And who can forget the Gulf of Tonkin or how his presidency ended at Chicago?

No, "Landslide" Lyndon (according to legend, won his first congressional election by 27 votes, scouring graveyards for them) isn't an example to follow.

Peachy+2 বলেছেন...

ObamaCare is the public Option. and it sucks.
But that is on purpose. UK- style - Canadian-style /wait-in-line health care is the goal.

grimson বলেছেন...

His speaking style mimics Obama. As far as content, while it aligns with Democratic values, we can no longer afford those.
We don't need calls to do big things; we're already charging 25% of what we're spending. We need speeches to call for shared sacrifice--spending cuts and tax increases. Good luck getting a tsunami with that.

Iman বলেছেন...

There’s plenty of room in Talarico’s trousers for SHIM’s “balls”.

rhhardin বলেছেন...

Trump will pick a mug-bust, like the mugshot he likes.

Dave Begley বলেছেন...

Not going to work.

David53 বলেছেন...

Talarico is settling in for the long term grift. He wants to be in the Senate for 30 years and make millions like the old guys do. He’s trying a version of Rodney King’s “Can’t we all just get along?”

rhhardin বলেছেন...

Appealing to Trump's interests is what classically was called an ad hominem argument. Today it means the opposite and ought to be called contra hominem.

Christopher B বলেছেন...

One of the great political counterfactuals of all time will be speculation on what would have happened if the Mean Girls had not being running the Democrat Party in 2016.

Dave Begley বলেছেন...

LBJ may have been creepy. But Talafreako is a whole different level of creepiness. So unsettling and off-putting.

Jake বলেছেন...

Maybe hes alluding to Trump stepping down and Vance taking over?

Dave Begley বলেছেন...

Ann: Have you read Caro's books on LBJ? The last volume is coming out. Soon!

I don't see anyone writing any books about Talafreako.

Lazarus বলেছেন...

Greater Austin and the Texas Hill Country are LBJ Country. The rest of America has sort of forgotten Lyndon Johnson. We hear about and talk about Kennedy or Nixon much more. The remaining Yellow Dog Democrats in rural Texas (if there are any left) also probably still remember Johnson, perhaps even with affection.

Do presidential library-museums, like Johnson's massive mausoleum have an effect on the mindset of those living in their shadow? Maybe, maybe not, but they do all sorts of media outreach to stay in the news. PBS has an interview show produced by the Johnson Library.

rehajm বলেছেন...

“The American people cannot wait two years for change so we must work with President Trump”

…I’ll give him credit for not heading to the lawyer-up, so-we-have-to-get-rid-of-him rhetoric of his peers. Maybe his handlers know Texas isn’t as blue as they’re all claiming it is…

Lazarus বলেছেন...

"No, "Landslide" Lyndon (according to legend, won his first congressional election by 27 votes, scouring graveyards for them) isn't an example to follow."

His first senatorial election. Trickery on the border then. Trickery on the border now.

Lloyd W. Robertson বলেছেন...

I guess for some people, JFK is the model Pres. He actually cared about the people who would benefit from the growth of the welfare state. LBJ could see the point of buying votes, but otherwise he was trying to capture some of JFK's glory. Contrast may be a bit overdrawn.

Breezy বলেছেন...

El Sayed has been on the same page, even willing to put Trump’s name on the Medicare for All gold insurance card. Ya that’ll go over — lol…

John henry বলেছেন...

Talarico will hold the same seat that LBJ cheated his way into, albeit in the primary.

Is Talarico signaling that he cheated his way into the seat as well?

If Talarico is the price to pay for getting rid of Cornyn, it is a pretty steep price but worth it. Generally true for all the other incumbents of both parties that lost their seats.

John Henry

Breezy বলেছেন...

I have no doubt Trump would work with them on reasonable ideas.

John henry বলেছেন...

Marcus

Great idea.

How about President Trump drape them in the Great Society mantle while reminding everyone how much the great society is still costing us in fuckery.

John Henry

Spiros বলেছেন...

Peachy +2, a public option will lower health care costs by reducing provider reimbursement rates and administrative expenses. That means lower premiums. Republicans have to accept that there are just too many market failures in healthcare -- supply and demand are never in equilibrium.

I think Trump should back a public option and watch the Democrats bend over backwards to kill it.

Peachy+2 বলেছেন...

The left are gearing up to take credit for any/all of Trump's successes.
That's what liars do.

Peachy+2 বলেছেন...

Market failures in healthcare are ALL government driven.

n.n বলেছেন...
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Lazarus বলেছেন...

Johnson was a complicated character. Yes, he was a consummate political gamesman, always on the lookout for votes, but he came from humble origins in what had been an impoverished part of the country. He remembered doing hard physical labor and remembered teaching poor children. The idea that politicians "care" about people is a sham, but between Johnson and Kennedy if one of them did care a tiny bit about people, it would have been Johnson. They were both big-time sexual wickdippers, but JFK seemed to be non-committal and "zipless" in everything he did.

n.n বলেছেন...

Medicare, Medicaid, and Obamacares are first-order forcings of catastrophic anthropogenic medical care prices. There is a similar model of climate change in academia.

Peachy+2 বলেছেন...

Government run healthcare is not a panacea.
Look at Canada and the UK. A total mess.

RCOCEAN II বলেছেন...

He's willing to do amnesty and reach a compromise with trump on other legislation that gives the Democrats 2/3 of what they want. The D's will work with Thune and threaten to shut down the Government if they don't get their way. Thune of course will put up a fake fight and then cave.

The D's want $$ for ukraine, open borders, Amnesty, more graft and spending, and no more conservative judges. They'll probably get all of it.

grimson বলেছেন...

Now they will threaten Thune with both a shutdown and getting rid of the filibuster. But yes, Thune will fake fight then cave.

Spiros বলেছেন...

Freako's offer is about healthcare. Even an idiot and a sex pervert knows that amnesty would destroy the Republican Party. Maybe the country...

n.n বলেছেন...

Off with his head!? #NoKinks #Democrazies

Old and slow বলেছেন...

I think that some form of amnesty would be a good thing. There are many people in the country illegally who are good and productive members of society. The trick is identifying them, and I have my doubts about the federal government's ability to do that... I know a good few of them myself.

FredSays বলেছেন...

Beware of Greeks bearing gifts.

Hombre বলেছেন...

Underlying this perfectly rational talk is the heart and mind of a looney tune backed by a party embracing the dark side.

Hassayamper বলেছেন...

*****
There's an opening in healthcare. Trump might approve a public option, which would compete alongside private insurance.
*****

If government health care is as efficient and wonderful as the Democrats claim, it should have no trouble competing.

This is in some respects similar to the Singapore system, of which I am a fan. Anyone who can afford it goes private, with high-deductible private insurance and tax-favored HSA accounts to cover routine expenditures, but the government hospitals are available for those who spend down their HSAs or are impoverished for some other reason. No one does without health care or goes bankrupt in the event of catastrophic injury or illness, which is really all people are asking for when they say they want government medicine.

Only a socialist or a complete idiot (to be redundant) wants a complete British-style national health service for everyone.

Hombre বলেছেন...

More clearly, there are no moderate Democrats in, or about to be in, Congress. They are all batshit crazy or whores for the Marxists and the Muzzies.

Spiros বলেছেন...

Do we really believe that the Democrats are going to insist on amnesty? Why? Once undocumented migrants become documented, they'll have more leverage and they'll leave for higher paying jobs. My heart skips a beat thinking about all the affluent White women who will lose their maids and landscapers and nannies because they are unable or unwilling to pay amnestied workers higher wages.

Hassayamper বলেছেন...

*****
I think that some form of amnesty would be a good thing. There are many people in the country illegally who are good and productive members of society.
*****

NO. NO. NO. There are indeed many good law-abiding, hard-working people that would be covered by an amnesty next year, just as there were in Reagan's amnesty, but we cannot take any action that entices future illegal immigration.

Hassayamper বলেছেন...

ALL supposed failures of the free market are in fact failures of government. Always and everywhere.

Hassayamper বলেছেন...

[That was a reply to Peachy, who said, "Market failures in healthcare are ALL government driven."]

Saint Croix বলেছেন...

Oh, I hope he goes Fetterman. Go Fetterman! I hope he gets married and has kids and goes Fetterman. Please go Fetterman. Please, please, please!

Saint Croix বলেছেন...

LBJ may have been creepy. But Talafreako is a whole different level of creepiness. So unsettling and off-putting.

Um, Meet Jimbo

Saint Croix বলেছেন...

Jumbo

I accidentally renamed his cock. Oops.

Saint Croix বলেছেন...

rhymes with Dumbo

rehajm বলেছেন...

“Do we really believe that the Democrats are going to insist on amnesty? Why? Once undocumented migrants become documented, they'll have more leverage and they'll leave for higher paying jobs.”

..many also lose their status to commit crimes, violent crimes without fear of consequence…and keep in mind despite bad faith arguments to the contrary are are all criminals at the moment…

n.n বলেছেন...

Government is the inflationary forcing. But the services and stuff are free as in base.

RCOCEAN II বলেছেন...

The problem with Amnesty is its always presented as a one-time thing. "Oh, we''ll give the people here amnesty. and then we'll enforce the immigration laws."

Wrong. The D's will NEVER enforce the laws. They hate ICE and want to destroy it. Amnesty in 2026 will just lead to Amnesty in 2030. Assuming anyone cares about USA citizenship and legal vs. Illegal anymore.

Iman বলেছেন...

“Beware of Greeks bearing gifts.”

Beware of the Geeks, as well.

Saint Croix বলেছেন...

Mr. T: "You know, the doc suggested that I take some hormone replacement therapy. So I've been adding a little testosterone. And boy, oh boy, I'm starting to like these Republicans. I had it all wrong. I'm thinking we ought to start a crusade for Christ in the Middle East. What do y'all think?"

Saint Croix বলেছেন...

Damien 2: Sneaky Bastard

Saint Croix বলেছেন...

It's kind of a no-brainer to cool it with the TDS. He's moderating his approach, which is smart in Texas. You want to stay in Texas? Blue dog all the way. Y'all might have trouble kicking his ass out if he goes blue dog.

"I like women!" up several points

"I'm getting married" re-elected

"We're having a baby. You want to see the ultrasound?" In the Senate for life.

NKP বলেছেন...

I don't think the ultra-sensible Dave, fully grasps just how creepy LBJ was.

58,318 Americans, most of whom had yet to reach their prime, are etched in a stoney gash in the ground in Washington, DC. thanks to Lyndon and his butt-boy, Bean-Counter Bob.

Too bad their smiling faces aren't on a giant billboard above, saying, "We built this beautiful monument for you boys!" Creepy does not begin to describe Lyndon Johnson and Bob McNamara.

I took a selfie of my reflection while having a "conversation" with my friends Tom and Tony, about 20 years ago. No way I could ever go there again.

narciso বলেছেন...

Yeah i get that vibe too

Old and slow বলেছেন...

*****
NO. NO. NO. There are indeed many good law-abiding, hard-working people that would be covered by an amnesty next year, just as there were in Reagan's amnesty, but we cannot take any action that entices future illegal immigration.
*****
I've always viewed this as a very strong argument, but now it seems as though we actually can just flip a switch and stop illegal immigration in its tracks, so I am a bit less convinced. Provided we keep border enforcement strong we can stop the flow, and if we don't do that then they will be coming in regardless.

Smilin' Jack বলেছেন...


“If President Trump wants the same plaques, and portraits, and busts as LBJ, we can help make that a reality. We should make the final two years of his presidency the most productive of any presidency in American history."

• Before LBJ Took Office: Only 109 Americans had died in Vietnam prior to November 1963.

• By the Close of 1968: More than 30,000 to 33,000 U.S. troops had lost their lives as troop levels peaked near 536,000 to 549,500.

Trump’s got a long way to go to match LBJ’s “productivity”.

boatbuilder বলেছেন...

"I think that some form of amnesty would be a good thing. There are many people in the country illegally who are good and productive members of society."

Let's waive speeding tickets while we're at it. Just about everybody exceeds the speed limit, including many good and productive members of society.

How about tax cheating? Let's waive that as well, because there are lots of good and productive members of society (many of them in the country illegally) who don't report all of their income.

Or zoning enforcement?

How about we send home the "good and productive members of society" who are also living here in violation of the law, and speed of the process of work visas and citizenship for those good and productive members of society who have applied for them properly and obeyed the rules?

If I went to a place like Mexico, or France, or Japan, or wherever, and overstayed my leave by about ten years, and made a life there, I'd be very upset if the government then kicked me out; but I wouldn't have a leg to stand on, legally or morally. And I would be fully aware of that.

The whole point is to discourage illegal immigration. You do that by enforcing the rules.

Lem Vibe Bandit বলেছেন...

"We should make the final two years of his presidency the most productive of any presidency in American history."

Talarico is proposing 'Peace with Honor'. How Nixonian of him.

Old and slow বলেছেন...

I'm not saying that some form of amnesty would be a good thing because it is a nice thing to do. I'm saying that throwing out productive law abiding people is actually a net negative for the US.

Aggie বলেছেন...

Abigail Spanburger showed the New Thinking, running for Virginia governor. You campaign on Moderate ideas. You put your 'brand' out there as a reasonable candidate wanting to represent your populace. You have lots of platitudes and homey, family-friendly themes, kitchen table sensibility.

Then you take your oath of office and Whammo ! It'll be at least 6 months to a year before the voters start to wake up, and then another 6 months before they start to get coverage.

You can get a lot of mischief done, with a little lying and ground preparation, up front.

Earnest Prole বলেছেন...

Lord, what a dopey conversation. We know exactly why Talerico is saying this because Donald Trump himself explained it in far greater detail to the entire nation on 60 Minutes last Sunday:

ROSS DOUTHAT: What is one thing you would like to work with a Democratic majority on?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: I'd love to do something on immigration. There is a large part of the country that think that they should be allowed to stay if they're good people working in a landscaping company, or workin' in a hotel, or doing something, right? And in some cases, paying taxes. And there's a large group of people [who] think that they should be allowed to stay. . . . When you go into a hotel and you say, "Let me see your pass," and you have a woman that's worked there as a-- you know, as a maid, as a cleaner, as a this, as a that, as a waitress, a lotta good things, great job, and all of a sudden, they're being taken outta the country, it's tough. It's a tough thing. . . . But there's a group of people that I would say on the sort of pretty far right that would like everybody taken out.

ROSS DOUTHAT: Do any of those people work in your administration?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Yes.

ROSS DOUTHAT: Do you think the Democratic party right now has people in it who would be interested in this kind of deal?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: I think so, yeah. People have already called me.

ROSS DOUTHAT: Who's called you?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: I get along with a lotta the Democrats, lotta people . . .

ROSS DOUTHAT: I saw James Talarico, the new Democratic senator. . .

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Said very nice things, yeah.

ROSS DOUTHAT: He said immigration was one of the things he wanted to work with you on.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Others too.

It’s all there in plain sight, you just have to be willing to look.

rhhardin বলেছেন...

"ALL supposed failures of the free market are in fact failures of government. Always and everywhere. "

Water rights? Holdouts in negotiated group settlements? The government is there to facilitate agreements that leave nobody worse off but otherwise would be impossible to achieve.

Government extends itself much further, or course, but there are things that the free market can't do.

Leland বলেছেন...

Why?
1) It is just after the election. The best time to reach across the aisle is after the election. The things you do now that might go against your party's base may be forgotten in 6 years. (see John Cornyn, who did this often)
2) Regardless of his win, I still believe he is less popular than Beto, judging by the simple fact there are more Beto bumper stickers on the road than Talerico. He needs to build his tent.
3) Texas may look to have turned blue, but Republicans still control part of the legislature. If Democrats want their policies in the state, they'll have to horse trade for them.
4) Most likely, it is all words at a time when it doesn't matter at all. There is no harm in sounding moderate, especially now (see 1). He doesn't need to actually be moderate or vote moderate.

hanuman_prodigious_leaper বলেছেন...

Richie represented the quintessential, clean-cut, all-American teenager of 1950s/1960s Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

Did not know Happy Days were in Wisconsin.

Now happen from TX.

Zavier Onasses বলেছেন...

I'll listen with an open mind to what he says - after he forfeits the illegal votes that got him over the top.

RideSpaceMountain বলেছেন...

"ALL supposed failures of the free market are in fact failures of government. Always and everywhere."

They fail because of a paradox of interpretation in which markets should be free to be greedy, but the greedy are not free to fail. As we're all too familiar, some gluttons are just too big to fail...government being just one economic chungus among many.

Markets exist because of self-interest, *but nothing is too big to fail*. Adopt as policy that axiom, and markets are free. This is why it will never happen.

Hassayamper বলেছেন...

RSM: I quite agree; "too big to fail" just means privatizing profits and socializing losses. Especially for big donors, or employers of an important voting bloc. This is done by both Republicans and Democrats. The rest of us hate it. Socialists want to socialize both profits and losses. Far-right government haters like me want to privatize both profits and losses, and let the chips fall where they may.

Not Illinois Resident বলেছেন...

Talarico likely has far bigger skeletons in his closet than LBJ ever did, and if you read a couple of LBJ bios you realize that Lyndon had some mighty unflattering moments.

mccullough বলেছেন...

Milton Berle had a bigger dick than LBJ.

Saint Croix বলেছেন...
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Saint Croix বলেছেন...
এই মন্তব্যটি লেখক দ্বারা সরানো হয়েছে।
john mosby বলেছেন...

old/slow: "there are many people in the country illegally who are good and productive members of society. "

I have said many times here that these people are the greater danger. The criminal aliens cause staccato misery to specific people. The 'non-criminal' illegals cause ongoing misery by depressing wages for Americans at the bottom of the chain. Yes it is sad to deport a motel cleaning lady. But the citizen non-cleaning lady, in a trailer on welfare, is sadder. No one stands in front of cop cars for her. CC, JSM

rehajm বলেছেন...

“Milton Berle had a bigger dick than LBJ”

…it’s disturbing you know that…

Kirk Parker বলেছেন...

Old and Slow,

> actually a net negative
Wow, talk about short-term thinking!

Deep State Reformer বলেছেন...

I iwn the perfect steel hammer for that obscene piece of stone.

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