What was this coercive setup? It's this, the "Cheeky Pint" podcast:I’m not a huge fan of Guinness (basically liquified pumpernickel), so i get it. But I’d like to think one of the best parts of being worth a quarter trillion dollars is not having to drink stuff you don’t like to be accepted by the bros.
— Jonah Goldberg (@JonahDispatch) October 13, 2026
The host of the podcast, John Collison, is Irish, and he seems to have arranged for his guests to join him in what the audience may enjoy believing is the Irishman's natural environment.
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Guinness is an acquired taste. Yes or no -- no middle ground.
What a weirdo.
“What THEY don’t want to drink,” right?
Beer pressure.
The Guiness NA is actually pretty darned close. If he was a teetotaler, he could have requested that. I am, and that is what I would have done, or just passed.
Jeez, Guiness is a yummy neutral beverage. Moms love it. I get you pounded bud lights in college but ROW thinks you’re nuts for letting that puss touch your lips…but yah these shows- I way don’t get the hot chicken wing ones. Why do those celebs agree to that?
"...enduring pressure to drink alcohol..."
Well, it's Guinness, so the 'alcohol' part is sort of a joke. And it's the Zuckerborg, so it is kind of funny.
And if you don't want to drink Guinness, don't agree to participate in the "Cheeky Pint" podcast. That's what a "pint" refers to. It's like being pressured to drink tea at a "tea party."
Or just don't drink it.
Guinness is actually quite healthy, lots of minerals and an alcohol content about the same as a Lite beer.
Jonah is another “conservative” writer who has been completely broken by Trump. Pumpernickel is a rye bread. Rye has a unique flavor that brings the special taste to a pretzel. There is ZERO rye in the brewing process for Guinness, which is made from dark roasted malted barley. It’s one of the great beers of the world.
That being said, most people react to the COLOR and dense head foam of a pint of Guinness and freak out. Before even tasting it I’ve seen people who I respect use words like “heavy” or “thick” because it’s not a pale mass-market Pilsner style like Bud and Coors. But it’s not thick or higher in alcohol. It’s just a darker roast like certain coffees, and the difference is akin to dark chocolate versus milk chocolate. Different but not in a huge meaningful way.
The brilliant wit Goldberg brought to his book Liberal Fascism has been replaced by a scolding schoolmarm and occasional Eeyore type shitting on the passing parade.
Androids dont drink
He really wasnt that clever but hes gotten stupider since
Guinness is the best. I usually buy two pints. One to gulp down immediately - goes down so smooth, the second to sip and enjoy.
I hate Guinness, but the implication that Malone has been censored bothers me a lot.
Guinness tastes/smells like burnt rubber and dirt at the same time. When I was traveling in Ireland everyone wanted to force me to drink it. I can't stand the stuff.
I do like some beers though. Blue Moon. Sierra Nevada Pale Ale. Tecate (original) California has a lot of great craft beer companies.
I know a lot of home brewing enthusiasts from CA to FL (shout out to Hogtown Brewers here in Gainesville) and in my experience roughly half set out to replicate their favorite beer/ale and it’s usually Guinness or Newcastle. True Newcastle has not been available in the USA for years and even the officially licensed version made in Petaluma is no longer available.
Sad.
Starbucks tastes and smells like burnt rubber. Guinness tastes like nectar of the Gods.
But then my wife is Black Irish. ☘️
In my life many things have come and gone, but Guinness has been a staple for me for many years. Decades, really. But...for some reason, I tend to drink it mostly in the fall and winter. Yes, it's an acquired taste, but to me it's the best. And best served at the proper temperature, 40°- 45°. Umm...
"not having to drink stuff you don’t like to be accepted by the bros."
True, but it would be nice if we had confirmation he's human first.
This book is what caused me to start drinking Guinness. A fun read. The author (who is British) followed the motto "Never pass a bar with your name on it."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthy%27s_Bar
Never cared for the taste of Guinness.
On the other hand, Pliny the Elder is quite the elixir.
…now now Zuck has done a good job overcoming his place on the spectrum. He supposedly even kisses a girl…
A really drunk muckersporg would be interesting to see. Would he get very uninhibited, easy to take advantage and overtrusting of us dumb fucks? Quick Collison...deploy the Bushmills!
The reason there are different kinds of beer is that people like different kinds of beer. If you don’t like it, buy something different.
I have always thought it was polite to taste food other people like or have a cultural affinity for, but it goes both ways. If you see he does not like Guinness give him a harp or a smithwicks.
Zuckerberg is savoring his first taste of the glass of Guinness, the way wine lovers savor the first sip of a glass of fine wine.
If you go to the break at around the 1:20 mark, you will see that Zuckerberg gets a second full glass. In the outtake at the end, we find that Zuckerberg had a keg of Guinness shipped from Dublin especially for the podcast.
I'm more an IPA person.
Guinness is an acquired taste. Once acquired, you'll keep going back. That was my vibed experience.
Taste....the ability to taste or not taste certain chemicals is mostly a genetic trait. PTC (phenylthiocarbamide) is a chemical that has been widely used to detect genetic variation in tasting ability. They did this test in school and I could taste the horrible stuff. Other kids could not.
Probably there are chemicals in Guinness and in Brussels Sprouts (which taste like acetone to me) that are objectionable to me....but not to others.
It just is and no coaxing or trying to get used to it is going to work. So...y'all enjoy your Guinness...I'll stick to Scotch or beer that I like. 😉
"No one should drink what the don't want to drink. It's not funny to watch someone — even a billionaire — enduring pressure to consume alcohol."
In the best Minecraft world, I would say quizás/yes, But then I remembered reading something :
"In the Middle Ages, it was an accepted act for two kings, or other high-ranking rulers, to share a bed as a public act of diplomacy. Far from implying intimacy in a modern sense, the gesture symbolized trust, peace, and political alliance."
When in Rome, you are not at all likely to run into the Pope. To see the Pope, you have to get up early, and do what other people, who also want to see the Pope, do, wait for hours in the hope of seeing the Pope pop out a balcony/window.
Zuck there was in Rome seeking an audience with a Pope named Marketplace.
Mike (MJB Wolf) said...
Jonah is another “conservative” writer who has been completely broken by Trump.
10/13/26, 6:46 AM
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No, Goldberg has not been broken by Trump. He has been true to his principles. I cannot think of one position that he has changed because of Trump.
The people broken by Trump are people who changed long held views because of either their hatred or love of Trump. I think of people like Bill Kristol, Adam Kingzinger, or Mike Lee.
yah taste yah yah but it’s cultural. Americans grew up seeing adults drink Schliz or Michelob or Coors or Bud or some other mass produced ‘american’ pilsner. Your child self saw the color, maybe the small maybe you got a taste and your brain is wired to identify that as beer. European kids saw stouts, belgian ales, what beers and hearty pilsners and that became beer to them. Now you think they drink burnt rubber and they think you drink piss…
…the first real pilsner I drank I made. Someone gave me a beer kit for Christmas and I drank a case of root beer for the bottles. Besides the bit of yeast waste in the bottom it was deep in color rich and complex. Never went back…
Goldberg is not alone, he keeps George Will company.
Two G's in a pod.
I would love to hear what WFB would say... wait.. let me check a possible scenario... ai briefly says No: "Buckley—a champion of patrician manners, high-minded intellectual debate, and classical vocabulary—would have likely loathed Trump’s boorish language, explicit personal attacks, and apparent lack of coherent ideological grounding."
And Yes: "While Buckley valued elitism in education and culture, he actually pioneered the political strategy of weaponizing working-class populist resentment against out-of-touch cultural and liberal elites."
And finally, one more Yes: "Buckley was a movement builder who famously excommunicated conspiracy theorists (like the John Birch Society) to make conservatism respectable. However, he was also known to tolerate deeply flawed political figures if they successfully advanced right-wing policy goals. He may have warred with Trumpism over the rule of law and political civility, while quietly celebrating conservative judicial appointments and the dismantling of the administrative state."
ai : One no, two yes: ultimately inconclusive.
DBQ--are you also in the percentage for whom cilantro tastes like soap?
I know that the more recent strains of brussels sprouts have supposedly had the offending chemical compounds bred out. But I love brussels sprouts anyway so I wouldn't know.
*FYI lil' typo in the headline: "what *they* don't want to drink"
Guinness is frothy like a milkshake, without the sweetness. Its alcohol content is low for a beer, and all you need to do is believe the advertising to know it is good for you: Guinness for Strength! The Irish would never fib, would they?
We toured the Guinness Brewery in Dublin a few summers ago. Total tourist trap but also great fun. Do recommend if you do to Dublin.
drop your 20 ballots in the remote zucker-box.
Big Guiness fan here, but it has to be from a gravity tap.
It is the most flavorful and least alcoholic of all beers (or ales).
Zuckerberg has not aged in 20 years, but he does look more like a cartoon character. It's similar with lost boy Jonah Goldberg.
"“What THEY don’t want to drink,” right?"
Thanks. Fixed.
What is beer without refrigeration? Isn't that half the charm (the other half being the alcohol content)?
The missing link between pumpernickel and Guinness is kvass, the fermented bread drink popular in Russia. I always imagined kvass as just soggy bread and Guiness as something similar. It's a drink made from fermented rye bread, not a lot of waterlogged bread. Judging from the pictures, sometimes it looks like a cloudy lager. Sometimes it looks like ... Guinness.
I loved the access to 'real ales' when I lived in Blighty, but in work-related pub trips was conscious to choose something with a head that would dissipate (and wait for it to do so) rather than leave me with a foam-mustache.
Social liberal club should not be broadcast, published.
> (which taste like acetone to me)
And you know what acetone tastes like how, exactly?
Zuckerberg is just a garden variety Casper Milquetoast with a tech empire. Like many nuanced pleasures, Guinness Stout is an acquired taste. I acquired it early. Guinness is how I got beer at my local pizza joint whilst been 2-years shy of legal drinking. I did that by reserving the psychology of my contemporaries who lusted after FCW brews such Coors Light and Miller. They didn't like beer; they liked alcohol. And they wanted alcohol in its most innocuous and tasteless manifestations. They all tried using fake IDs while ordering their swill of choice, got caught, and got thrown out. I just ordered a stout with my pizza, and got it. No questions asked; no ID demanded. Later, while still underage, I used a similar ploy to buy liquor. My fellow freshmen all wanted tequila or mezcal or 100-proof vodka, but couldn't get them without convincing fake I.D. I just asked for brandy, and got it. I still drink Guinness, and prefer its bite to those blander high-alcohol craft brew stouts and porters that fashion-conscious drinkers demand.
By unrelated paths, my most excellent Scottish Deerhound was also called Guinness. His breeder gave each member of his litter a name from brands of beer. There were seven or eight puppies in that litter. I don't recall all of the names, but there was a Leinenkugel and a John Courage among them. I got Guinness because he was the one who preferred my company to everyone else, so that was the pup I was allowed to buy. I only learned his call name later, and since he was already responding to it, he continued to be Guinness, my favorite hound named after my favorite beer.
@ Boatbuilder. Yes. Fresh cilantro tastes weird...oily soapy so I avoid it...but strangely....dried cilantro is pretty good and I use it in cooking. Probably the oil/or whatever that is in the fresh herb.
I haven't had Brussels Sprouts in years. I might try them again if the "ick factor" has been bred out of them.
I used to try it every decade or so, to see if my tastes changed. I stopped sometime in the second millennium AD.
"I always imagined kvass as just soggy bread and [Guinness] as something similar."
It's not. Guinness is brewed from malted barley, like most beers of distinction. (FCW brews are made from malted maize or (my God forgive them) rice. Guinness gets its color from toasted barley added to the wort, and its bite from the blend of hops it's seasoned with. To understand beer, it helps to make it yourself.
Kvass is horrid. There isn't enough maltose in finished bread to sustain fermentation by the mild-tasting strains of yeast used in beer brewing, so the Russians boost the sugar content of the wort with beet sugar. Imagine Budweiser with about a heaping tablespoon of sugar added. That's what kvass tastes like to me.
I first drank Guinness when I was 13 on the train from Castlebar to Dublin. I hated it, but I was traveling with some girls who were 15 or 16 at the time, so I pretended I loved it. It wasn't long before I could stop pretending. Guinness 0.0 is shockingly close in taste to the original. It's the best NA beer I've ever tried. It's true that the Guinness Storehuse is an expensive tourist trap, but it is also true that it is worth the trip. I had some visitors from the US who wanted to go, so I joined them and enjoyed myself. I only ever drink it in the US if it is a rainy and chilly day.
John Collison, the host of the Cheeky Pint is one of the founders of Stripe the credit card processing company and quite interesting. He gets incredible guests on his podcast, and is often worth listening to.
Guinness is great for horses, too. Add a bottle to about a gallon of rolled oats, stir a bit, and you've made the equine equivalent of pie a la mode, an appreciated treat a loyal steed deserves.
I worked in a pub in rural Ireland years ago where we saved all the food waste and leftover beer (mostly Guinness) in a slop bucket and fed it to the bar owner's pigs. The staff Christmas dinner was a whole roast pig. His name was McGinty, and he was delicious.
I like Guiness but hardly ever drink it for some reason. Dunno why; maybe because I almost invariably consume beer after exercising heavily in the afternoon and it's just not guzzleable to my palate.
Back when I had quit drinking I never, ever felt pressure to drink anything. No one cared. Admittedly, I'm not rich or famous, but if someone offered something alkyholic I'd just say No Thanks and that would be it.
"I haven't had Brussels Sprouts in years. I might try them again if the "ick factor" has been bred out of them."
Try 1 part sprouts to 2 parts cheese sauce.
"The staff Christmas dinner was a whole roast pig. His name was McGinty, and he was delicious."
I picked up the Guinness in the feed bucket thing from an Irish trainer who bought Guinness by the crate. For his horses or himself, I never asked.
I’ve had Guinness, long ago, I think I wanted to find out what the reputation and hype was all about. It was OK but I wouldn’t choose it. I prefer Pilsner on the rare occasions that I do have a beer. Delicious and subtle.
What impressed me most from this video was the difference in posture of each man and the relationship between the amount of Guinness consumed and the posture of the drinker. Zuckerberg is extremely conscientious about his posture where as the Irish guy is completely slouched. lol All this subtext while they are having this “casual” extremely polite conversation about building a multi billion dollar Super Intelligent personal assistant and pretending to be a couple of regular guys having a beer.
I like an occasional Guiness, but that first hit can bite hard, sometimes.
Then again, Homo Superiors like Zuck might not react like us normal humans. He needs to go back to "raw-dogging reality."
Best beer I ever had was a "best bitters" ale, hand pumped from a cask in the basement of a pub on the Isle of Man.
Back in the early 2000's, some friends of ours built a sweat lodge in their backyard. We would hydrate with Guinness and it would come out of your pours like butter.
Brit-ish hospital back in the days before HR and Karen's prescribed Guinness to their patients, including nursing mothers
“"“What THEY don’t want to drink,” right?"
Thanks. Fixed.”
While we’re at it, “fast year” should be “last year”.
The beer is just background in this show. I prefer “Hot Ones”, where celebrities are interviewed while eating increasingly spicy wings. Beyond a six-digit Scoville the wings start to upstage the characters.
Hes siding with the team that wants to burn this country down
Both his parents would be so dissapointed what hes become
Do not care about lizard man and what he drinks or does not drink. Seems to be a click bait article - original not our host's comments.
Goober trying to look relatable and thinking "podcasts" is the way to do it. I can't watch this garbage.
Bet he didn't split the G though, did he ?
“I cannot think of one position that he has changed because of Trump.”
Goldberg’s favorite position now is face down, buns up.
OT: Washington Post editorial board comes out against "Medicare for all"
Remember when someone altered Zuck's photo of him testifying to congress to make him look like Commander Data, the android, from Star Trek?
This reminds me of the scene in the movie, Star Trek Generations, where Data and Geordi go into the bar on the Enterprise to test his emotion chip The bartender (played by Whoopie Goldberg) gives Data a drink to try. He drinks it and grimices. Then he takes another sip and grimices even worse.
Data: "I believe this beverage has produced an emotional response."
Geordie: "Really, what are you feeling?"
Data: "I am uncertain. Because I have had little experience with emotion, I am unable to articulate the situation."
Bartender: "Emotion?"
Geordie: "I'll explain later."
Bartender: "Well, it looks like he hates it."
Data: "Yes. That is it. I hate this!"
Geordie: "Data, I think the chip is working."
Data: "Oh yes, I hate this. This is revolting!"
Bartender: "More?"
Data: "Please."
This is an example of life imitating art.
DBQ--see if you can find brussels sprouts in the springtime (maybe at a farmers market). When the plant winters over it does something to the sugars. I found this out when I grew some in the garden and left them when we had a lot of early snow. I picked the sprouts off in the early spring (standing in the melting snow) and my wife sauteed them. Really delicious--sweet and nutty.
But there are people who really can't like them because--like cilantro--they taste or process the chemicals differently.
"In the 1990s, the Dutch scientist Hans van Doorn identified the chemicals that make Brussels sprouts bitter: sinigrin and progoitrin.[9] This enabled Dutch seed companies to cross-breed archived low-bitterness varieties with modern high-yield varieties, over time producing a significant increase in the popularity of the vegetable.[10]"
Wikipedia, but no politics involved, so probably good.
Kirk Parker said...
> (which taste like acetone to me)
"And you know what acetone tastes like how, exactly?"
Acetone is the active ingredient in nail polish remover.
"This enabled Dutch seed companies to cross-breed archived low-bitterness varieties with modern high-yield varieties..."
Imagine what the pre-hybrid cultivars tasted like.
Yes, Guinness is bitter compared to slightly mawkish Old Speckled Hen (one of my favorites, btw) but bitter is good in moderation, and it's the fourth taste as reckoned by tradition western cuisine. The American diet is dominated by sweet and salty tastes. We need more bitter.
“No one should drink what they don't want to drink.”
A sentiment shared by six-year-olds everywhere when faced with cod liver oil.
Kirk Parker said...
> (which taste like acetone to me)
"And you know what acetone tastes like how, exactly?"
Loudogblog said: "Acetone is the active ingredient in nail polish remover. "
Yes. Exactly acetone nail polish remover and used to clean my art/paint brushes. Get some on your fingers....don't wash it off property...accidentally put fingers near lips or face. Uck!!!! Do not touch your eyes...YIKES...(don''t ask me how I know)
"Guinness is an acquired taste. Yes or no -- no middle ground."
Agreed- and for me is a Big no. I joked once to a college friend of mine than when he ordered one it reminds me to take my care to Jiffy Lube. (Really, just kidding).
“No one should drink what they don't want to drink.”
What about the reverse?
Irish doctors were recommending Guinness to pregnant women as recently as 2003. My wife was very pleased to be told that she ought to have a couple of glasses (not pints). My mother was once told when giving blood that her iron was low and that she should drink more Guinness.
I once asked a workmate in Dublin if he wanted to go for a few pints of Guinness (it's all we drank), and his response was classic. He said "You're pushing on an open door there matey".
“Kirk Parker said...
> (which taste like acetone to me)
"And you know what acetone tastes like how, exactly?"
Loudogblog said: "Acetone is the active ingredient in nail polish remover. "
Manly men grow up knowing it as the active ingredient in model airplane glue. You never forget the smell, and smell is the main part of taste.
The story goes that Babe Ruth was invited to a formal dinner somewhere. When offered the asparagus being served, he declined. The society matron sitting next to him asked "Why Mr. Ruth, don't you like asparagus?" Ruth politely replied "No ma'am. It makes my piss stink".
Typical J. Goldberg. He likes mark Zuckerprick. And his only comment is "Hey, if i was multi-billionaire, I wouldn't drink English/Irish beer".
My favorite Goldberg comment came in one of his books where he declares that open borders and mass immigration is a good thing - but doesn't have any support for that.
The other is that we owe all of the good things in life to "capitalism". Because no one before 1750 ever invented anything or made life better.
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