Writes RFK Jr., at great length, at X.
He links to various reporters, and I don't think any of them have responded.
Oktubre 31, 2026
"[M]y speech was not a critique of Arabs or Islam, but of Islamism... a toxic ideology conceived and promoted by the terrorist group, the Muslim Brotherhood.”
"Let’s see which reporters take the time to read this post and then correct their stories."
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A lot of moderate Arabs and Persians have looked to Islamism as the best strategy to fight against their occupiers, since nothing else seemed to work. But I guess that leveling apartment blocks in order to assassinate a single resistance fighter is not toxic if you can afford fighter jets.
Or, like just happened in the West Bank, leveling the neighborhood where a resistance fighter lived, which used to be a war crime, collective punishment, is in no conceivable way “toxic.”
“ Islamism is intensely anti-American, anti-Western, and hostile to modernity.” —RFK Jr
In other words it’s a resistance movement to protect their culture, their land, and their natural resources from Western exploitation and oppression through domination.
To help the stultified among us.
Here is what RFK Jr. was alluding to:
Jews make up 0.2% of the global population. Since 1901 they've accounted for 22% of the Nobel Prizes- in all fields.
Muslims make up 24% of the global population. Since 1901 they've accounted for less than 1% of Nobel Prizes- in all fields.
The point isn't that Muslims cannot do it. The point is that they are too busy beheading and trying to conquer or kill people. They have no time to invent new physics, no time to assimilate into productive societies, because their own societies are...well...I'll be kind and simply say they are not doing it.
I read an interesting Substack about the history of the Muslim Brotherhood some months ago - darned if I can remember whose! The upshot was that it started as a extreme-purist, minority movement within Islam but its growth has wildly outstripped that of its philosophical competitors in that religion. And yes, that it's the root of all evil, so to speak, within Islam and also the major source of trouble in the world today.
I myself would argue that if an extreme-purist (not just extremist) interpretation of a religion leads its adherents to believe that the path to greatest virtue is to convert by violence or to kill everybody who isn't an adherent, the religion itself is the problem, or at least a big part of it. But I can envision an Islam that rejects its Puritans.
Jaq said "A lot of MODERATE Arabs and Persians have looked to Islamism as the best strategy to fight against their occupiers"
Which means they are not "moderate". This guy is to full of shit.
Nobody is occupying Arab land. Arabs and Jaq hate Jews and are obsessed with driving them into the sea to take back land the Arabs once stole.
Look at the burka on Jaq.
There is no such thing as " moderate Islam". There are muslims who will actively search you out and hurt or kill you and then there are other muslims who want the more violent types of muslims to search you out and hurt or kill you.
YouTube clip of Sam Harris on Joe Rogan : "...we have to we have to hold
to free speech so unequivocally that all the people over here who think that that there's this tradeoff between religious sensitivity and Free Speech just have to realize that they they've lost..."
Temujin said..."Muslims make up 24% of the global population. Since 1901 they've accounted for less than 1% of Nobel Prizes- in all fields."
Yeah...maybe. But shawarma, falafel, and baba ghanoush are DELICIOUS!! Better than gefilte fish and matzah ball soup. They should be allowed to terrorize and reconquer the Holy Land just for the superior cuisine.
When faced with mounting backlash over policies that helped produce a war with Iran and drive up inflation and energy costs, Republicans are throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks—flooding the political landscape with accusations and attacks in the hope that something will resonate with voters.
“The point isn't that Muslims cannot do it. The point is that they are too busy beheading and trying to conquer or kill people. They have no time to invent new physics, no time to assimilate into productive societies, because their own societies are...well...I'll be kind and simply say they are not doing it.”
Nailed it, per usual.
Islam is a failed culture that will never change.
As Churchill said, “Islam is the most retrograde force in the world.”
Explain how today's policies caused a war with Iran that started in 1979 when Iran overran an embassy and took people hostage- starting the war.
Alternatively- explain when peace between Iran and the United States was established between 1979 and today allowing a new war to commence.
Gusty- if you ever visit Israel you'll find out that Israeli food is the same as Syrian, Lebanese, Jordanian. All of them are mixed, as would be expected. And...all of them are delicious. The food in Israel is one of the best parts of Israel.
And...speaking as a guy born and raised in metro Detroit, home of a very large Muslim/Arab and large but not nearly as large Jewish population (as well as Greek)- I grew up on Middle Eastern and Mediterranean foods. I agree with you. It is the best- aside from Italian. But you cannot mention gefilte fish without also mentioning 4" thick corned beef sandwiches, etc. (not in Israel, but in Detroit).
Good lord. I got through it, but his staff should keep RFK away from a keyboard in the future. I don't know what's more absurd the book-licking of Jews, or the trashing of something called Islamism.
Unlike RFK, I don't care about "Islamism". What the arabs want to do in their countries is their business. He completely ignores that its the liberal/left philosphy of "immigration good" that caused these people to come to Europe and the USA, and cause problems. Or that its our "Globalism" thats caused us to stick our nose into their affairs and cause problems.
Get rid of "Invade the world and invite the world" and all the conflict with Islamism goes away.
And then we get this insane sentence: The major figures of twentieth-century Western thought—Jesus Christ, Sigmund Freud, Albert Einstein, and Karl Marx—were all Jewish.
Freud was a fraud. Marx created communism that killed about 50 mllion people. And Einstein had no real affect on "Western thought".
And Jesus Christ wasnt a Jew. He was the son of God. And its strange that if he was JUST a Jew, that the Jews in 2026 dont follow him. Instead some of them get offended if you say "Merry Christmas" to them. And the crazy Orthodox in Israel are spitting on Christians. An odd attitude toward those who worship a "fellow Jew".
Of the real idiocy of RFK's post is comparing scientific achievement and money-making ability of a small number of people from various groups. Yes, the top 1000 Jewish scientists and businessmen have accomplished more then the top 1000 Muslims. But so what?
That doesn't mean Judaism is better than Islam for the average person. Or that its a better way of life.
Scotland - per capita- has done more for science and had more wealthy businessmen than india - so i guess all the Indians should convert to the Church of Scotland? Absurd.
Islam is the #1 top colonizer.
Shorter Jaq and R.C. Merkin: Don't slam Islam!
Islam and leftist soil and shit-on and destroy - then they insist you give them all you got.
and they will kill you for it.
And by "Western thought" I don't mean physics. The theory of relativity had an impact of physics, but no real effect on sociey outside of that. Did Newton have a great impact on "Western Thought" i don't think so.
The fact is most layman cant even understand Einsteins theories. And no, E=mc2 did not lead to nuclear energy or the A-bomb. People already understood that splitting an atom would release large amounts of energy. And that uranium was decreasing in size while releasing energy.
That little slice of land - occupied by Jews for centuries - and given to them in 1948 - drives Islamists and Leftists to insane levels of rage. Mostly because the Hamasian losers do nothing but destroy. Islam subjugates women and teaches nothing but hate.
ooo - so too, the modern left.
RCOCEAN II said..."Scotland - per capita- has done more for science and had more wealthy businessmen than india - so i guess all the Indians should convert to the Church of Scotland?"
We're not talking about Indians, but Indian Cuisine has already conquered Edinburgh. When the main dish is haggis, I can see why.
We're talking about Arabs and Persians, and conversion isn't the discussion. Like England and Ireland, Scottish liberals support the Islamization of their Scotland. Same thing in France. Shit, Minnesota as well.
We're just supposed to pretend it's not happening on purpose. And we're not allowed to challenge it and say, keep that bullshit away from my home.
"Leftist Candidate Accidentally Emails Own Notes to Reporters, Admits She's Terrified for Own Safety from Islamists in Party" Link to Story
RFK Jr is unafraid. He is not in the majority.
I never knew that “the Jews” were some kind of master race, but be that as it may, the longest continuous and significant settlement of Jewish people is, wait for it, in Persia. In fact Israel bombed a Jewish temple in Iran to try to kill a Jewish IRGC general there for temple.
Hamasidalism.
Jewish settlement in Persia goes back to Biblical times.
Just for shits and giggle s google Netanyahu and Hamas and funding.
𝘌𝘹𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘪𝘯 𝘩𝘰𝘸 𝘵𝘰𝘥𝘢𝘺'𝘴 𝘱𝘰𝘭𝘪𝘤𝘪𝘦𝘴 𝘤𝘢𝘶𝘴𝘦𝘥 𝘢 𝘸𝘢𝘳 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘐𝘳𝘢𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘴𝘵𝘢𝘳𝘵𝘦𝘥 𝘪𝘯 1979 𝘸𝘩𝘦𝘯 𝘐𝘳𝘢𝘯 𝘰𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘳𝘢𝘯 𝘢𝘯 𝘦𝘮𝘣𝘢𝘴𝘴𝘺 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘵𝘰𝘰𝘬 𝘱𝘦𝘰𝘱𝘭𝘦 𝘩𝘰𝘴𝘵𝘢𝘨𝘦- 𝘴𝘵𝘢𝘳𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘸𝘢𝘳.
A couple of historical distinctions seem to be getting lost here. The 1979 hostage crisis was an international diplomatic crisis, not a war between the U.S. and Iran. And the Iran-Iraq War, which began in 1980, was started by Saddam Hussein’s invasion of Iran -- not by the U.S.
The fact that the two countries have had hostile relations for decades doesn’t mean they’ve been continuously at war. Diplomatic hostility and an actual military conflict are two different things.
The current war began with U.S. and Israeli strikes against Iran in February 2026. So, yes, it’s entirely reasonable to discuss the policies and decisions that brought us to this particular conflict without pretending that the history of U.S.-Iranian hostility began yesterday—or that it makes today’s decisions irrelevant.
History is context, not a get-out-of-accountability-free card
Jaq in his comments at the top writes that the Palestinians turned to Islamism because nothing else seemed to work. WTF. I can't recall any time when the Palestinians used Gandhian tactics to undermine Israeli authority. I think such tactics would have been far more useful than mass rape, murder, and abductions. What were they thinking? How could such a tactic inspire anything but a disproportionate response?........I note in passing that Assad and Saddam also had populations that objected to their authority. Assad and Saddam's response to protests to their authority was also disproportionate, but their brutality was never characterized as genocide.
Americans don’t need to revisit 1979 to understand the consequences of today’s decisions. They’re reminded every time they fill up at the pump, pay their energy bills, or go grocery shopping. History may explain how we got here, but it doesn’t excuse the decisions being made today by the Trump administration—or the congressional Republicans enabling them.
RCoceanII...what's it like living in there?
You stated "And Jesus Christ wasn't a Jew. He was the son of God. And its strange that if he was JUST a Jew, that the Jews in 2026 dont follow him. Instead some of them get offended if you say "Merry Christmas" to them. And the crazy Orthodox in Israel are spitting on Christians. An odd attitude toward those who worship a "fellow Jew"."
Well yes. So much there. There's a whole history of Christians not acting very Christian as well, yes? Jesus, as human, was a Jew. You may not like it, or might have a hard time swallowing it, but don't fret. It doesn't mean he cannot have been the Son of God. I respect and love my Christian friends and do not deny them their belief. We'll all find out soon enough, right?
Quick story- as a kid I got a part time weekend job as a janitor in an Orthodox Jewish school. I was raised a Reform Jew. They knew that. And yes, one day one of them spit on me. Around that same age I used to have a couple of Christian kids (seriously Nazis) who used to pick fights with me because my family was the first Jewish family in that neighborhood. So, as you can see- there are assholes that come in all colors, shapes, and clothing. And some don't care what you are. All they know is you're not them.
And I, personally LOVE Christmas and the entire season. As do my entire family, all my relatives. It's what we grew up with. Jews in America have always been a small minority. All of us grew up in Christian neighborhoods. In my case, it was wonderful. I've loved Christmas and the entire season ever since, no matter where I've lived.
Also- you state that "What the arabs want to do in their countries is their business." True enough. Note that not all Arabs are Muslim. And not all Muslims are Arabs. And all nations can do what they want, until they prevent you in your country from living for your own sake- as the Arab nations have been trying for decades to do with Israel. Even as Israel has Arab citizens.
And lastly, if Freud, Marx, and Einstein were not impactful enough Jews for you- that's fine. I get it. How about Ludwig von Mises, Milton Friedman, and Ayn Rand for those who prefer individual rights over the collective?
"That little slice of land - occupied by Jews for centuries - and given to them in 1948"
The "Jews" were kicked out of palestine 2000 years ago. When the zionists established their Israeli state, the Palestinians both Muslim and Christian had been there for 2000 years. Netenyahu's family comes from Poland. Many other Israelis can trace their families to Ukraine, Russia, and Eastern Europe and no further.
Some Israelis have blond hair and blue eyes (cf: Kirk Douglas). Do you think they are genetic descendents of the Ancient Hebrews? LOL.
Israel has done more "Ethnic Cleansing" and Colonalism in the last 65 years than any other country. But because they're "special" we're not supposed to judge them with the same standard we use for everyone else.
I did not read every single word, but in skimming it I didn't notice any reference to Sirhan Sirhan.
Who had apostatized from Islam many years prior to the shooting, and who was apparently motivated by the then-secular PLO, not by the MB or any other religious outfit. But still, a conspicuous absence. CC, JSM
Historical note: John Knox, the founding father of Scottish Presbyterianism had the great bad luck to be captured by a French raiding party. He was made a galley slave. Galley slaves had a life expectancy of 24 months. He was ransomed after 19 months but suffered from ill health for the rest of his life. In the writings of John Knox, there are no preaching against the institution of slavery. You would think that being a galley slave would give someone insight into the evils of slavery, but that;s not the way it worked with John Knox. There were quite a lot of fulminations against Marian worship and the Pope but not one word against slavery........The religion he founded went on to produces such significant scientists and thinkers as Maxwell, Watt, Adam Smith. These thinkers, so far as I know, didn't spend a lot of time vexing about Marian worship or getting back to the basics of their religion. To some extent, their lives and success were shaped by the discipline of their religious upbringing, but they were shaped and not deformed by such upbringings........I'm sure that there are part of Islam that are worth preserving but there's also a great deal that is best ignored and tactfully passed over.
Tem - RFK was not claiming Marx and Freud were impactful. He was claiming that were to be admired for "Shaping Western thought". If marx and freud still impact "Western Thought" after being shown to be either evil or frauds - that's not something to brag about.
It'd been better for the World - not just "western thought" if Freud and Marx had never written a word and spent their lives selling Bagels.
Islam didnt come up with communism or Freudism. Point Islam.
Outstanding. Really fine analysis. He’s so smart. The Democrats really screwed the pooch by cheating him out of the Democrat primary. Trump vs Kennedy would have been difficult. We’re really blessed that Joe Biden was a dirty dog, and the Democrats despised their own voters. We’re blessed that he’s on our side now.
I just wish he was pro-life. You’re a Republican now, Bobby. And a Catholic. Maybe take a look at it. It’s never too late to change.
I would say that the greatest example of ethnic cleansing in the last sixty five years was when the Viet Commies won. They expelled millions of Chinese who had been living there for centuries. I guess it's not ethnic cleansing when Commies do it.......For sheer numbers, the ten million Germans who were forced to flee their homes after WWII hold the record. Do the Germans have the right to take possession of Kant's birthplace again? They were forcibly removed. Perhaps the Germans can take heart from the struggle of the Palestinians and indulge again in the joys of revanchism. The third time's the charm,.
Mosby at 11:01. Wow. Very smart point. I haven’t seen Sirhan Sirhan yet.
Freud wrote Totem and Tabu, which formed the basis of the science of propaganda, which led directly to the rise of Hitler, who seized on this discovery the way Joan of Arc seized on gunpowder.
He didn't intend it, perhaps, and his theories about the facts he presented were somewhat bizarre, but nonetheless, people realized that it could be used to sell toothpaste, and you can see the insights in play on these threads.
Humans fear being outcast due to millions of years living in small bands when being outcast meant death. That's the number one, try to turn dissenters into outcasts to put that primal fear into others who might privately be thinking the same things.
What's really funny is that the globalists have destroyed MAGA, you just don't know it yet, because you are old, and they are flooding the US with more easily ruled migrants, and Europe, even more so, while only the Arabs and Persians are actually fighting back against our common enemy, the globalists, the people like George Soros, for example.
RCOcean with scare quotes around Jews. Who’s paying your salary?
History is interesting. Have you ever read Caesar's Commentary on the Gallic Wars? He would have lost if the Gauls hadn't been squabbling among themselves. What's the lesson? Create strife wherever you go. China has a civil war going on and they have an island we could use? Send our warships down the Taiwan Straits and bomb the positions of the Mainland Chinese. Russia and Japan agree to settle their dispute over some remote islands post WWII, tell the Japanese that if they settle that dispute, we will keep Okinawa. We create civil wars everywhere, divide and conquer, and the same people who use divide and conquer to "spread modernity" while taking the "backwards people's" oil are dividing us against each other, making ordinary people worldwide hate each other.
If the West didn't cause so much strife in the "Third World" we wouldn't have so many migrants in the first place.
Did Newton have a great impact on "Western Thought" i don't think so.
What a ridiculous statement.
He only invented calculus (Leibniz did too, independently, but for some reason he doesn't get much credit), which is the basis for modern engineering and science, not to mention mechanics and optics and a myriad of other foundations of "Western Thought".
I used to think you were mentally ill, and I felt sorry for you. Now I think you’re a con man, in it for the money. You keep accusing everyone else of being paid by the IDF. I now accuse you of being paid to post here every day.
I ask myself, why does he keep making this bizarre accusation that one poster is another poster? Answer: your conscience is bothering you. Freudian slips. You charge others with fraud, because that’s what you’re doing.
Russians intervened in the Slavic Spring, Israelis in the Jewish Spring, Egyptians in the Arab Spring. Americans in the Persian Spring... Trump in the American Spring. The Afghans, Libyans et al were less fortunate. A European Spring in progress. Where would the Africans be without Trump presiding?
Not that I am defending RFK's ridiculous beliefs. (Blind squirel, stopped clock, etc.), but RCOCEAN is as wrong, if not more so than RFK.
I just repeat what i said. Newton and Einstein affect Physics and Science. They did not affect "Western Thought" in general. They were not philosophers religious or political thinkers.
Antoine Lavoisier is considered the father of modern Chemistry. He didn't affect "Western thought".
If you were going to pick out a scientist who "affected Western Thought" the obvious pick is Darwin. Since it lead people to misuse his theories to impact society.
If anything, he was very generous in what he wrote.
People often wish that Islam would have a Reformation, without realizing that it did have a Reformation, and the result was the Muslim Brotherhood and other forms of Islamism.
And to paraphrase a great American, a Muslim is a person who reads the Quran and believes it; an anti-Muslim is someone who reads the Quran and understands it.
Islamism is a made-up term, concocted by Western liberals to avoid facing the reality of Islam. What ISIS, Wahhabism, Muslim Brotherhood all preach is the Islam straight from the Quran. While harsh to us that is normative Islam.
I guess it largely depends on how much one values modernity.
Personally, I'm a big fan.
At the time of Christ there was Judea, Galilee, Samaria in palestine. It wasn't all Jewish. Judea was. Samaria was Gentile. Galilee was mixed. That's why I put "Jews" in quotes.
The word “genocide” is used and repeated because it’s a legal term. Ever notice how after Jan 6, the Biden-fueled media got hung up on the word “insurrection”? The narrative shapers must use those terms because they fit with existing law -both domestic and international. The right likes to to overuse terms like “terrorist” because those so accused fit into neat little boxes.
And after 50 years of observation, I’d say that the Palestinians were the first to preach extermination of a race.
I’ll add that people like Jaq and RC stand against the west because they fear that one day Islam will prevail and they don’t want to be caught out having ever said a discouraging word against Islam. Jaq and RC don’t stand with us—they stand with them out of fear. They think themselves wise but really they are cowards.
"And no, E=mc2 did not lead to nuclear energy or the A-bomb. People already understood that splitting an atom would release large amounts of energy. And that uranium was decreasing in size while releasing energy."
You're saying "People already understood that splitting an atom would release large amounts of energy" prior to Einstein proposing the equivalence of mass and energy (E=mc^2)? Sorry, you're wrong. By decades.
@Original Mike: Rutherford and Soddy understood nuclear energy in terms of transmution. They had an intuitive grasp of what was going on. Soddy tried to persuade the British government to pursue nuclear energy during the First Workd War.
Jaq says:
In fact Israel bombed a Jewish temple in Iran to try to kill a Jewish IRGC general there for temple.
•AI SAYS:
The Intended Target: The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) stated that the actual target of the precision strike was a senior Iranian military commander located in the adjacent Khatam al-Anbiya headquarters, a major military command center. The commander was a standard Iranian military official, not a "Jewish IRGC general."
• The Collateral Damage: The IDF formally acknowledged the destruction of the synagogue, expressing regret and maintaining that they do not intentionally target places of worship. The building collapsed due to the impact on the connected infrastructure.
“Antoine Lavoisier is considered the father of modern Chemistry. He didn't affect "Western thought".”
I disagree but I’m biased because I’m steeped in chemical theory. Also noteworthy is the Lavoisier was guillotined during the French Revolution, i.e. by idiot leftists. As a friend of his remarked: it took France only minutes to take his head; it will take a century to grow another.
"Rutherford and Soddy understood nuclear energy in terms of transmution. They had an intuitive grasp of what was going on. Soddy tried to persuade the British government to pursue nuclear energy during the First Workd War."
Einstein's paper was in 1905, which predates Rutherford's demonstration of the existence of the atomic nucleus.
Its amazing how these internet discussions always devolve into quibbling or misunderstandings over what a term or a word means. In this case "Western thought".
"Einstein's paper was in 1905, which predates Rutherford's demonstration of the existence of the atomic nucleus."
Rutherford and others didn't experiment with atoms because Einstein said "E=Mc2". That is the point. The popular and wrong undertanding is that Einstein came up with E=mc2 and then caused Rutherford, Bohr, etc. to all start out to develop nuclear energy. that's not what happened at all.
In any case, other scientists had come up with E=Mc2. Henri Poincaré for one.
This false belief in Einstein was responsible for nuclear energy has been around for a long time. Time Magazine had Einstein on its cover in 1945 when discussing the A-bomb.
"The popular and wrong undertanding is that Einstein came up with E=mc2 and then caused Rutherford, Bohr, etc. to all start out to develop nuclear energy."
I've never heard that before.
Quantum theory and the theory of relativity is used hundreds of millions of times a day.... GPS (in every smartphone) doesn't work without it. So I'd say Einstein has had a profound effect on today's world. Contra RC's claim.
-1900-02. Soddy and Einstein were rather like Faraday and Maxwell: the experiments came first followed by theory.
The official media narrative is to depict RFK Jr. as a kook. So they won't respond to him because they don't want to look like they're taking him seriously.
@Original Mike: look into what Soddy and Rutherford did at McGill University ca. 1900-02.
“Its amazing how these internet discussions always devolve into quibbling or misunderstandings over what a term or a word means. In this case "Western thought".“
Indeed. Pay attention to your own misuse of the term “genocide.”
Also, since RC is here attacking Jews on religious grounds, I would like for him to point out where God told the Jews they were no longer the chosen people and that God had revoked the promises given to Abraham. And... where does God speak to non-Jewish prophets since Moses' day? Well, since Jeremiah's day (to account for Job) . Jesus rarely, if ever, spoke to non-Jews when He was on earth, saying He was sent to the Jews first. It was only after that that Paul and Peter were told to go to the Gentiles... but never, ever did they get told to stop going to the Jews.
Next we'll find out RC says the last "prophet" was Mohammed.....
I've read a biography of Rutherford.
@OM: Soddy was the driver. He medalled later on.
I'll look.
Jaq said...
"continuous and significant"
in other words: let me add a couple of arbitrary qualifiers so that I can redefine reality the way I want reality defined.
Palestinian thought process: Since we don’t have superior guns and bombs, we are going hide our leaders and weapons behind our children.
Israeli thought process: We don’t want to kill women and children. But if we don’t, Hamas will continue to kill ours.
RC thought process: How dare the Israelis “target” women and children.
The whole vicious cycle continues because Hamas misuses their children, daring anyone to kill them. This is vicious, dirty, and cowardly. Hamas is responsible for what upsets Jaq and RC.
Israeli thought process: We don’t want to kill women and children. But if we don’t, Hamas will continue to kill ours.
Civilized thought: we don't kill women and children. We just don't fucking do it. We are smart enough and creative enough to avoid it.
Zionism and Islamism are morally equal.
Israel and Hamas are both fucking savages and we are better than than both. If you are picking aside, shame on you.
Lavoisier developed a far superior form of gunpowder. Napoleon's superior use of artillery was to some extent dependent on the superior gunpowder that Lavoisier developed. I think Napoleon had a considerable impact on western thought and Lavoisier had a considerable impact on Napoleon......I don't think this should be the go to place for those wishing reliable info on quantum physics.
Bohr and Rutherford (and the men who worked for him) mapped the atom. Others built upon their foundational work. Chadwick for one, who discovered the neutron.
Einstein had nothing to do with this.
Anti-semitism is like a dry river bed. It's there and will remain dry for months, sometimes years on end, but when there's a heavy rain, that's where the waters flow. It's been around for centuries. It's the longest running religious prejudice in the west......In a paradoxical way, Jews owe the continuity of their religion to the endurance of anti-Semites. The Irish and the Poles fell away from the Catholic Church when it was no longer an act of defiance and solidarity with their countrymen to go to Church. I think Jewish people feel a renewal of their faith every time RCOCEAN preaches.
Thanks, Professor Althouse, for sharing Kennedy’s full response. I hope reporters take a close look and correct any inaccuracies. Kennedy makes a good point that criticizing the Muslim Brotherhood or Islamist extremism isn’t automatically Islamophobia. Still, his essay frequently blurs the distinctions among Islamists, Muslims, and Arabs. And attributing the decline of Islamic scientific achievement to a movement founded in 1928 seems like a bit of a leap, considering that much of the decline occurred centuries earlier. I’m sure Kennedy would agree that he should meet the same standards of evidence and accuracy he expects from journalists.
Christians believe what Jesus said. No man comes to the father but through him. There is no "..except for Jews" attached to the statement. That was Christian belief for 2000 years. Go read St. Paul and the New Testament.
Protestants have this odd belief that 1500 years of Christian thought means nothing. Anyone can just pick up a bible (translated of course) and come up with their own Christian theology. Every man his own Pope!
Of course, anyone can believe anything. Want to believe a Genocidal Gangster like Netenyahu is your "religious elder" and will go to Heaven cause...reasons? Knock yourself out.
That's what the Huckabee aka "the huckster" believes. Or says he believes. Of course, his Zionism puts $$ in his pocket.
You can debate whether or not Lavoisier had any kind of impact on western thought. You can, however, say with absolute certainty that western thought had an impact on Lavoisier. Lavoisier was beheaded during the French Revolution.
“The "Jews" were kicked out of palestine 2000 years ago. When the zionists established their Israeli state, the Palestinians both Muslim and Christian had been there for 2000 years. Netenyahu's family comes from Poland. Many other Israelis can trace their families to Ukraine, Russia, and Eastern Europe and no further.”
Laughable. Around 50% of Israelis trace their families to the Middle East,
Persia, and North Africa, pushed out by the Romans and other despots over the centuries. And Jews have been in “Palestine” since biblical times. In small numbers but always there. At the same time, large numbers of “Palestinians” migrated there after Jews began draining the swamps and cultivating the land. Yassir Arafat was born in Egypt. Meanwhile all those Middle Eastern countries have virtually no Jews, while Israel is 20% Arab. All the Arabs who stayed after 1948 became citizens, while Jews had to flee for their lives from the Muslim world.
Why don’t Muslims receive Nobel Prizes, and Jews receive so many?
First, there is the issue of interbreeding. Cousin marriage is common in many Muslim communities. Close consanguinity tends towards genetic abnormalities as chromosomes double up. The Muslim Prophet practiced cousin marriage, so everyone else should and do it too. Plus many lived in small communities, where non-cousin marriages were almost necessary.
What about the Jews? Did they have similar problems? Turns out some of them too had inbreeding issues. I am talking about Ashkenazi Jews - essentially European Jews. They were under selective breeding pressures for intelligence, and a certain type of numerical intelligence, through the way that the European Christian populations they lived within allowed them to live. In the Bell Curve, it was noted that their mean IQ was roughly one standard deviation above the mean, and that means that there are more Ashkenazi Jews, per capita, on the tails of the distribution. And the upper tail is where Nobel prizes come from. The smartest of the smart. But before you conclude that it was an unalloyed benefit, it came with a litany of debilitating conditions, unique to them.
Those who rely upon the Koranic verses that prioritize mercy and coexistence need to be aware of the Koranic interpretive principle of abrogation, aka Naksh. It provides that later sayings within the Koran supersede the earlier ones. The later Mohammed was a brutal conqueror. It is a religion of conquest that valorized taqqiyah -- deceit.
@Vance12:35--
Not an exact answer, but the pope (I'd have to look up the precise one) announced that the Jews were no longer the Chosen People but had been replaced in God's favor by the Franks in Charlemagne's day.
According to Alessandro Barbero in his book *Charlemagne, Father of a Continent* anyway.
And surely no decent person would disagree with a pope on such a matter.
But there is another aspect to this - predestination. When my youngest brother tragically died at 21, in a stupid climbing accident, in his last year at Dartmouth, having just returned from a recruiting to Stanford and Berkeley, for a PhD in EE (he had already been to MIT), we were referred to a book “Why Bad Things Happen to Good People”, by a Jewish Rabbi. If God is omniscient and omnipotent, why does this happen?
To simplify, the answer to this is that we were given Free Will, because if we weren’t, then there would be no testing of us. From a Calvinist Christian point of view, absent Free Will, there would be no reason to work for Salvation. It is what we do with our Free Will that earns our salvation.
The problem (in my view) with (esp Sunni) Islam is their belief in Predestination.
“Inshallah,[a][b] usually called the istiṯnāʾ,[c][1] is an Arabic-language expression meaning 'if God wills' or 'God willing'.[2][3] It is mentioned in the Quran,[4] surah Al-Kahf (23-24), which requires its use when mentioning intended actions.[5][6] It signifies that nothing, neither action nor thought, happens without God's permission.[1]” (Wikipedia)
That attitude/belief in predestination leads to almost unquestioning acquiescence to authority. The funny thing there is that in my mind, very often those authorities are exerting Free Will to determine where to lead their followers. In any case, this belief in Predestination appears to greatly impact the ability of many Muslims to innovate and change the world.
@Jaq: "A lot of moderate Arabs and Persians have looked to Islamism as the best strategy to fight against their occupiers, since nothing else seemed to work. But I guess that leveling apartment blocks in order to assassinate a single resistance fighter is not toxic if you can afford fighter jets."
Perhaps you could give us a list of Arab and Persian countries under foreign occupation?
Also, while you are at it, where in the Law of Armed Conflict does it say using civilians as shields is mighty fine?
"Civilized thought: we don't kill women and children. We just don't fucking do it. We are smart enough and creative enough to avoid it."
How did nobody ever think of this before?
Also Jaq: "' Islamism is intensely anti-American, anti-Western, and hostile to modernity.' —RFK Jr
In other words it’s a resistance movement to protect their culture, their land, and their natural resources from Western exploitation and oppression through domination."
So let me get this straight, Islamic countries have no agency whatsoever, because they aren't self-governed, and therefore have to resort to universalist, totalitarian, eliminationist Islamism.
Did I get that right?
The idea that Jews are going to hell because they don't believe in Jesus Christ didn't start with "one pope". It starts with St. Paul and the new testament. And this carried forward until it was futher formalized in the Catholic and Orthodox Churches.
But I guess God was just having some fun with us. We didn't discover the truth until the 19th century. Some clever protestant read the bible the way it had been never been read before. And presto chango - Jews are going to Heaven.
Like I said, believe what you want. I'll believe in 2000 years of Christian theology.
IEE "When faced with mounting backlash over policies that helped produce a war with Iran and drive up inflation and energy costs, Republicans are throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks ..."
Which policies? What would Iran have to do to end the war? What threat would doing so present to Iran's territorial or economic integrity?
"And Einstein had no real affect on "Western thought".
This is how you say you have no idea what is within the Theory of Relativity without just coming out and saying it.
The ToR had something very fundamental to say about time, which very much affected Western thought.
D.D. Driver said...
Israeli thought process: We don’t want to kill women and children. But if we don’t, Hamas will continue to kill ours.
Civilized thought: we don't kill women and children. We just don't fucking do it. We are smart enough and creative enough to avoid it.
Zionism and Islamism are morally equal.
He is right. One or the other has to go.
I choose the one where mothers hold their daughters down and cut their clitorises off.
IEE "A couple of historical distinctions seem to be getting lost here. The 1979 hostage crisis was an international diplomatic crisis, not a war between the U.S. and Iran."
Wrong. Nonsense on stilts. The 1979 seizing of the US embassy and the ensuing hostage crisis was the very definition of an act of war against the US.
"The current war began with U.S. and Israeli strikes against Iran in February 2026."
For the US and Israel, what were the casus belli?
More IEE:. "Americans don’t need to revisit 1979 to understand the consequences of today’s decisions. They’re reminded every time they fill up at the pump, pay their energy bills, or go grocery shopping."
Fair enough. What would have been the consequences of doing nothing?
Western thought? Hmmmmm. You might say it started with the idea of a creator god. Who, instead of populating a universe already in existence, created the universe as an act of will. Once not even an electron existed. And then ....................
Those philosophical implications gave rise to western thought.
Freder: "Not that I am defending RFK's ridiculous beliefs. (Blind squirel, stopped clock, etc.), but RCOCEAN is as wrong, if not more so than RFK."
Okay, in which respect is RFK wrong? Please be specific.
RCOCEAN II said...
It'd been better for the World - not just "western thought" if Freud and Marx had never written a word and spent their lives selling Bagels.
Their ideas are not novel. Particularly not Marx's.
At best Marx came up with a bad rationalization for they have stuff and I am going to take it from them tribalist nonsense.
“Protestants have this odd belief that 1500 years of Christian thought means nothing. Anyone can just pick up a bible (translated of course) and come up with their own Christian theology. Every man his own Pope!”
And why not? Take the graven images. The idolatry evident in Roman Catholic Churches. Human depictions are banned religiously by the Ten Commandments, as known by the Jews, Protestants (esp Calvinists) and, yes, Muslims. So, one of your precious popes rewrote the Ten Commandments to essentially write that out. One of the things that the Reformation did, was to accept the Jewish, and not Roman Catholic versions of the first books of the Bible as authentic.
Gutenberg made mass printing available. And one of the first things published was the Bible. And, time after time, they would find parts of Catholic theology that just weren’t in the Bible. For example Marion worship. The idea that she went through life as a virgin, after having four more boys and at least two girls. Etc. And, yes, Papal Infallibility. The
Vance said...
Also, since RC is here attacking Jews on religious grounds, I would like for him to point out where God told the Jews they were no longer the chosen people and that God had revoked the promises given to Abraham. And... where does God speak to non-Jewish prophets since Moses' day? Well, since Jeremiah's day (to account for Job) . Jesus rarely, if ever, spoke to non-Jews when He was on earth, saying He was sent to the Jews first. It was only after that that Paul and Peter were told to go to the Gentiles... but never, ever did they get told to stop going to the Jews.
Next we'll find out RC says the last "prophet" was Mohammed.....
Why do you feel the need to defend the Jewish religion? Just curious.
Everyone here needs to deal with who created Israel, why it was created. and how it was created.
The British Empire created Israel and put a small Jewish minority in charge of a large Muslim majority.
Just like they put the Sunni in charge of Shia in Iraq, Shia in charge of Persians in Iran, Alawhites in charge of Sunni in Syria etc.
The British Empire has been at this for 125 years so you people would all argue whether the Muslims are right or the Jews were right.
Trump is finally fixing this situation, and yet here we are still watching people argue about the same stupid shit.
RCOCEAN II said...
Protestants have this odd belief that 1500 years of Christian thought means nothing. Anyone can just pick up a bible (translated of course) and come up with their own Christian theology. Every man his own Pope!
The most twisted and devilish religion in the world is Catholicism.
There is no place in anything Jesus said where you can find the justification for a giant monolithic political entity headed by a "pope" every christian must obey and worship.
The Catholic Church was a cynical political perversion and hijacking of Christ's words.
Okay, in which respect is RFK wrong? Please be specific.
This quote pretty much sums up how wrong RFK is (replace Islamism with MAGA and MAHA and that is exactly what the current administration, and RFK in particular, advocate):
"The anti-intellectualism of Islamism—the rejection of evidence and the scientific method, the hostility toward objectivity, the suppression of contrary information, the deification of dogma, the embrace of pseudoscience, the contempt for reason as the path for discerning objective truth, and Islamism’s association of science with immorality—has helped close off the Islamic mind."
It is rich that RFK is criticizing anyone for "the embrace of pseudoscience" when he has based his entire career on it.
“ Fair enough. What would have been the consequences of doing nothing?”
We all know the answer to that - a nuclear armed Iran. Which translated into Persian dominance in the Middle East, at a minimum. Starting, of course, with dominance over other Muslims, and esp Sunni Muslims. Just what the world needed, the Muslim world controlled by apocalyptic Shi’a Twelvers. The rest of the nuclear armed world reasonably don’t use them, out of fear of retaliation. But what about the Shi’a Twelvers, who welcome Armageddon, believing it would bring the return of the 12th Mahdi?
Congratulations, Freder. Point completely missed.
In what regard is RFK's statement wrong *with regard to* Islam/Islamism?
Only idiots and liars argue from analogy.
Sheesh, the comments here not only display extreme anti-Muslimism sentiment, but also Popery (to use a good old-fashioned slur), antisemitism, and disdain of protestants (is there a term to describe hatred of protestants?). How come no one has picked on the Orthodox Church, Hindus and Buddhists yet? I apologize to any other religions I have left out.
My thoughts on Fredrick Soddy and early atomic energy (pre-Einstein). link. More Soddy links there as well.
Okay, Hey skipper, here is even a stupider quote from the diatribe:
"with 8,000 of these coming from a single nation—Saudi Arabia—which has made herculean efforts in recent years to de-Islamize its society."
This, of course, is absolute nonsense. Saudi Arabia, although it has relaxed its most outrageous restrictions (oh boy, women are now allowed to drive in some limited circumstances), it is probably the most oppressive regime on the face of the earth (Myanmar and North Korea are arguably worse).
Oh, and btw, my brother lived in Dubai for a few years (much more liberal than Saudi Arabia). His wife was allowed to drive, with his permission which could be rescinded by him at any time.
Freder Frederson said...
Okay, in which respect is RFK wrong? Please be specific.
This is the question you were asked Freder. Your answer shows you don't really know what words are.
This quote pretty much sums up how wrong RFK is (replace Islamism with MAGA and MAHA and that is exactly what the current administration, and RFK in particular, advocate):
"The anti-intellectualism of Islamism—the rejection of evidence and the scientific method, the hostility toward objectivity, the suppression of contrary information, the deification of dogma, the embrace of pseudoscience, the contempt for reason as the path for discerning objective truth, and Islamism’s association of science with immorality—has helped close off the Islamic mind."
It is rich that RFK is criticizing anyone for "the embrace of pseudoscience" when he has based his entire career on it.
I know you are a retard but he asked you to be specific.
Freder: "Sheesh, the comments here not only display extreme anti-Muslimism sentiment ..."
Your reading comprehension is failing you. He used the word "Islamism" 19 times, "Muslimism" never. (A word I have never heard until you spewed it.) If you can't get the basics right, no wonder you are missing everything else.
Including this: "This, of course, is absolute nonsense. Saudi Arabia, although it has relaxed its most outrageous restrictions ..."
Considering where it started, Saudi has indeed de-Islamized. What is surpassing odd is that you use as an example intended to ridicule JFK one which makes his point.
Bruce Hayden said...
“ Fair enough. What would have been the consequences of doing nothing?”
We all know the answer to that - a nuclear armed Iran. Which translated into Persian dominance in the Middle East, at a minimum.
You are playing the losers game. The Nuclear Iran thing was always a distraction.
Doing nothing meant a deindustrialized west with China and globalists manufacturing everything with slave labor in SE Asia. Doing nothing meant another 100 years of British Globalist Empire.
IEE is just mad his globalist masters are losing.
“It is rich that RFK is criticizing anyone for "the embrace of pseudoscience" when he has based his entire career on it.”
And yet, RFK is where he is, because he was at the forefront of the fight against the pseudoscience of the COVID-19 responses by our government, and governments around the world.
Worst, of course, were the ModRNA “vaccines”. The government even approved jabbing babies. It was good for one thing - protecting the elderly and vulnerable. Instead, it was administered, with little testing, to essentially everyone, causing the virus to almost immediately mutate around the vaccines. In less than a year, efficacy had dropped below 10%.
Time after time, in one area and another, our regulators approved, then often pushed, medicines that had been inadequately tested, to the benefit of the huge pharmaceutical companies pushing them. Many $billions$ in profits let them capture the regulatory agencies that are supposedly overseeing them, earning those companies $billions$ more.
Maybe the most idiotic, pseudosciency, even nonsciency, thing that our government could have done was to approve and endorse jabbing infants with the novel ModRNA COVID-19 “vaccines”. But they did it, and two pharmaceutical companies made $billions$. (I am hot here, because my daughter had my then 6 mo old granddaughter jabbed, based on government propaganda).
So, the question arises, what other childhood vaccines really benefit infants and young children, over their risk. Which ones are worth it? And which ones just profit the pharmaceutical corporations selling them? When I was young, I had just one vaccine - polio. It worked. And the polio epidemic that we saw around us ended. My granddaughter (and soon to be grandson) face dozens. Is that really good?
Scientific “experts” have really taken a hit this decade. For good reason. Why 6’ distancing? Fauci almost literally pulled it out of his nether region. Masking? Idiotic. Most of the studies before then made that clear. Arresting surfers out in the ocean? Or plowing in the turnouts on Loveland Pass to keep skiers out of the backcountry, were equally idiotic.
@Freder: Your side has made two great mistakes regarding science. in my lifetime. First is the undermining of meritocracy in hiring and promotions in STEM. Second, as demonstrated by your man Fauci, is the subjugation of free inquiring in the name of political aims.
I'll grant that polluting science with corporate greed has been bipartisan, but your side is by far the worse.
“The most twisted and devilish religion in the world is Catholicism.”
VP Vance should’ve consulted with you before becoming a Catholic, I suppose.
Covid Tim is hoping the crocodile eats him last.
"Your side has made two great mistakes regarding science. in my lifetime. First is the undermining of meritocracy in hiring and promotions in STEM. Second, as demonstrated by your man Fauci, is the subjugation of free inquiring in the name of political aims."
I have no idea what you are referring to when you say "your side", but whatever side I am on, you are full of shit.
"Time after time, in one area and another, our regulators approved, then often pushed, medicines that had been inadequately tested"
So, I suppose you strongly oppose approving (or at least looking the other way) of untested, then often pushed, peptides recently advocated by RFK.
In March 1786, John Adams and Thomas Jefferson traveled to London to negotiate an end to the attacks on American ships (by the "Barbary Pirates") with the Barbary States envoy Sidi Haj Abdulrahman.
The content below is excerpted verbatim from their letter to John Jay, dated March 28, 1786.
We took the liberty to make some inquiries concerning the Grounds of their pretentions to make war upon Nations who had done them no Injury, and observed that we considered all mankind as our friends who had done us no wrong, nor had given us any provocation.
The Ambassador answered us that it was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.
Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.
"I have no idea what you are referring to when you say "your side", but whatever side I am on, you are full of shit."
Whether you admit it or not, Freder, you are a partisan. I am referring to the side which you have consistently supported the whole time you have commented here. There is nothing wrong with being partisan as long as you own it.
"Considering where it started, Saudi has indeed de-Islamized. "
No it hasn't. No more than Nazi Germany softened its antisemitism in late 1943, when it realized rather than killing all the Jews immediately, they could work them to death instead.
Thank you for posting that at 4:00 pm, William. Years ago I posted the very same quote either here or at Trooper York's blog. A commenter then named Ritmo (aka Montana Urban Legend) was taken aback by it. Dems really have no comeback for that.
I am beginning to think more and more that the current crop of Dems are like boiling frogs--living in fear that they will be poached like eggs by their own.
"First is the undermining of meritocracy in hiring and promotions in STEM."
Do you mean "meritocracy" or racism?
"We all know the answer to that - a nuclear armed Iran. Which translated into Persian dominance in the Middle East, at a minimum. "
If "nuclear armed" means Persian dominance in the Middle East, why isn't Israel dominant in the Middle East, or North Korea dominant on the Korean peninsula?
I"f "nuclear armed" means Persian dominance in the Middle East, why isn't Israel dominant in the Middle East, or North Korea dominant on the Korean peninsula?"
Are you really that dumb, Mr. Metropolis?
"Do you mean "meritocracy" or racism?"
I mean meritocracy and not the racism that your side favors.
I love the defense of Marx. His ideas werent original so dont blame him. LOL. And least that's better than the usual defense: "Hey Marx was right, its just every Communist Government got it wrong".
"Are you really that dumb, Mr. Metropolis?"
Apparently. Why don't you explain it to this dumbie (did you know there is a "b" in "dumb")?
So, now we're comparing Saudi Arabia (our ally) to Nazi Germany. LOL.
"I love the defense of Marx. "
Who has defended Marx in this thread. Or is this just an irrelevant statement.
How come we're never attacking Bangledesh, Indonesia or Pakistan. All are uber-Muslim.
"So, now we're comparing Saudi Arabia (our ally) to Nazi Germany. LOL."
And you find this funny how? Although Saudi Arabia may not be guilty of genocide, their oppressive government is not better than the Nazis were.
"How come we're never attacking Bangledesh, Indonesia or Pakistan. All are uber-Muslim."
You could ask the same about all of our allies in the middle east or good parts of Africa and the former Soviet Union (with some exceptions on that one).
*How come no one has picked on the Orthodox Church, Hindus and Buddhists yet?*
Let me know when members of those religions start flying jets into our office towers.
"Although Saudi Arabia may not be guilty of genocide, their oppressive government is not better than the Nazis were."
I guess Israel's genocide in gaza, oppression of the palestinians on the west bank, and murders and bombings in other countries doesnt concern you, but Saudi Arabia is beyond the pale. Because why? The cut people's hands off. Or is it they don't let women go around without a face covering?
If so, that's typical American left.
Freder: "(Hey Skipper:) 'Considering where it started, Saudi has indeed de-Islamized.'
No it hasn't. No more than Nazi Germany softened its antisemitism in late 1943, when it realized rather than killing all the Jews immediately, they could work them to death instead."
Here is what AI has to say:
Saudi Arabia has not de-Islamized, as Islam remains the state religion, Sharia forms the basis of the legal system, and the Quran and Sunnah serve as the country's constitution.
However, under Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman’s Saudi Vision 2030 reforms (launched around 2016–2017), the Kingdom has undergone a major social, cultural, and educational liberalization—shifting away from strict, ultra-conservative Wahhabism toward a more nationalist and modernized identity.
Key Areas of Change
• Reduction of Religious Police: The powers of the mutaween (Committee for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice) have been sharply curtailed, removing them from street-level policing of daily behavior.
• Social and Cultural Openness: Longstanding bans have been lifted on women driving, public cinemas, music concerts, and mixed-gender entertainment events.
• Educational Reforms: School textbooks have been revised to remove or tone down teachings linked to rigid Wahhabism (such as specific writings of Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab), replacing them with an emphasis on "Saudi first" patriotism.
• Foreign Religious Funding: The state has scaled back its historical practice of globally financing hardline Wahhabi mosques and educational institutions abroad.
Pro-tip: research prevents ignorant spew.
Freder did you defend Marx in this thread? If not, why is it any concern of yours?
RCOCEAN II said...
I love the defense of Marx. His ideas werent original so dont blame him. LOL. And least that's better than the usual defense: "Hey Marx was right, its just every Communist Government got it wrong".
I don't see why you would consider government theft of private property an original though only Marx had.
He just gave it a name and had a cool beard.
Freder Frederson said...
"Considering where it started, Saudi has indeed de-Islamized. "
LOL!
When you get your information from the NYT's, CNN and Fox News you can be just as leared as Freder!
Islam is not compatible with western culture or moral philosophy. Islam actively seeks to suppress all inquiry not directly involving the spread of islam.
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