So what body parts do you grab with your electrified hands? I was able to find what I think is Compliant's manual. My search for "face" only turned up a couple instance of "surface": "Periodic cleaning of the outside surface area of the G.L.O.V.E. SHALL only be done with 'My-Shield' wipes or surface cleaner in order to maintain the warranty on the G.L.O.V.E."
Also from the manual (at page 15):
The G.L.O.V.E. SHALL NOT be deployed for any of the following:
• Verbal defiance or belligerence
• Punishment
• Torture
• Horse play
Avoid using the G.L.O.V.E. against certain portions of the population to include:
• The elderly
• Small children
• Pregnant women
• The severely handicapped
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I’m picturing Michael Jackson moon-walking and shocking someone with the sequined glove. Or maybe a black Darth Vader glove.
The X-Men enter the chat. Magneto, what do you say?
Combine this with night vision cameras that allow one to see through clothes (they actually do), and what fun we'll have!
My two first impressions:
1) They seem to be pretty mild; nothing like the torture devices they will be portrayed as; and
2) They will be misused as torture devices.
Typical government waste. Spending all that money when a night stick would do the job.
This story is suspiciously on the nose for anti-ICE. Skepticism warranted.
"Typical government waste."
Part of the waste is the continuing expense of 'My-Shield' wipes. Don't want to void the warranty.
"They seem to be pretty mild..."
Somehow that made me picture the child's game "Operation."
At least I’m safe!
I couldn't read the London Times article, but my local news had a news feature on it today. They showed a demonstration of LEOs using them on other LEOs; one grab to the arm and the grabee went down in instant distress. They said they were currently being used in correctional facilities.
There are still illegals here to use them on?
I don’t like this at all.
…’planning’ to buy…
I'll bet all the gloves will be written off and discarded within a year, both for ineffectiveness and negative PR baggage.
That being said, the question of where to grab vaguely reminds me of the time long ago when I was out with the horses and had to take a leak, and the stream accidently made contact with the electric fence.
Ruchard Pryor and the special platinum healing glove in Which Way is Up (1977).
…golfers are always looking for training aids with feedback. Can they be tweaked to activate to excessive pronation?
Not a fan. Too much room for inadvertent/ inappropriate use.
Well it will give new meaning to the "shocker": two hands on a pink and one's in the clink.
ICE is obviously not shooting enough people who resist if they have to resort to garbage like this.
People should just stop resisting and this crap like this is unnecessary.
Seems a bit cruel, depending on level of shock. However, perhaps on their lightest setting, if it exists, on delinquent teenagers will save us a lot of money on adult incarceration, not to mention all the other associated costs incurred along the way there. Pretty sure my dad would’ve considered it at times…;)
Good.
"So what body parts do you grab with your electrified hands?"
According to my sources, agents are being trained to reach under the target's skirt and just grab whatever comes to hand...another instruction seemingly designed to sell more wipes.
Clearly the wipes are where the money is.
Smell the Glove.
You should have seen the electrified appendage they wanted to do. It wasn't a glove, believe me.
@tcrosse 5:57
I had forgotten all about that movie. They don't make 'em like that anymore. Richard Pryor was a national treasure. The flat casket at the end is classic.
I see this type of device helping the fat weak under trained wimp ass b****** that have been hiring at ICE. Female cops will be helped by this device asswell. While it sounds cruel and unusual, it certainly is preferential to the shootings caused overreaction from pathologically insecure cops.
Hey ICE! There's a pussy over here. GRAB HIM!
This is a much better and more humane choice than Steven Miller's suggestion ICE pigs use Anton Chigurh's captive bolt pistol linked to a portable tank of compressed air.
"Somehow that made me picture the child's game "Operation.""
You must have had a fucked up childhood if your parents rigged Operation to give you a shock when you tried to remove the funny bone.
Never run out of ICEwipe.
This idea should be strangled in its cradle (vague wave in the direction of Winston Churchill).
I don't always believe in slippery slopes, but this sure as hell seems like one to me.
ICE should use intelligent freezing devicea to abort clear and progressive threats and provide social relief from climate change anxiety.
Turn those fuckers up to 11.
Don't scratch your nose.
I object to this on moral, practical, and over-weening government grounds. But also--think of the potential for litigation! Do we know for sure it wouldn't affect someone with pacemakers? Or pregnant? Or...any number of conditions. Keep in mind that even if a litigation fails, there are still sunk costs, including for the taxpayer.
I'm going to revise my first comment in this thread:
I HATE this idea, and I very rarely employ that term.
Can you imagine if an agent (there are always some bad apples, even if most aren't) decided to get handsy off-duty, say with a spouse or girlfriend or even an annoying neighbor? Imagine the lawsuits!
Also, how meticulous, in all practicality, do we think people witl be with using the wipes? Yeah, I can be pretty cynical about human nature.
Restraint is a cruel and unusual Choice. Criminal Lives Matter Too (CLiMaTe).
This is a Minnesota thing, but when I was a lad there was a professional wrestler named Baron Von Raschke. His signature move was called The Claw, wherein he'd grab his large hand across the face of his opponent and in some fashion induce him to either pass out or more frequently, to give up.
Life imitates art.
Sorry for the brain dump; it's awash in implications.
Just wait until a number of these ice agents pass away unexpectedly using the glove during the performance of
autoerotic asphyxiation.
Distribute scalpels as an ethical alternative. Vacuums to clear the residue. Turn off the camera to assure privacy. Immigration Clinical Enforcement
“Time for your digital prostate exam.”
I believe an early prototype was demonstrated a couple of years ago on Mike Rowe's podcast. It disrupts the bodies normal electrical signals forcing muscles to contract. The result is the person is unable to move the touched limb. The gloves are a bit of a variation on a taser without the gun part. From that perspective, this should be accepted by those that support tasers as less than lethal force to subdue. Residual pain after release is similar to a good workout of several reps.
Don't take that description as being in support of this. I don't think they should be used in the field. I could see an application in a detention facility versus using handheld tasers (used instead of batons). But I've always had some skepticisms with tasers. I think when you have fewer "less than lethal" options, then the spectrum of violence for non-compliance becomes simpler for both sides to understand.
A "painful" electric shock... there's the problem. That, and the invasion of privacy in a Clinic. They have six weeks conservatively. Indefinite extensions in Massachusetts and other liberal jurisdictions. Freezing may be a reversible alternative that neutralizes the forward-looking risk.
"Yeah, I can be pretty cynical about human nature."
Human nature provides pretty huge reasons for cynicism.
…the Biden administration tried replacement theory, incentivizing foreigners to immigrate illegally by promising them an American level middle class lifestyle…or better by raiding the entitlement programs Americans work to fund…and when it is discovered, uncovered- no thanks to the mainstream media, what the Biden administration was up to, the media switches to vilifying anyone and everyone trying to clean up the mess. This ‘planning to buy’ story just the latest installment. I’m mire disgusted by the media than any alleged fantasy of cattle prod gloves law enforcement is ‘planning to buy’…
I’m beginning to believe the mist egregious lies are left to the permanent DC ‘foreign’ press simply because the owner entities are farther our of reach from pressure from the US alphabet agencies…
Rehajm - 7:27
thread winner.
Leland - excellent. Agree. (7:21)
"how meticulous, in all practicality, do we think people will be with using the wipes?"
Cleaning ICE gloves, a job American's don't want to do.
Maybe they'll keep a few illegals to clean the gloves.
If you turn the gloves up you can cook a turkey between your hands...as long as it isn't wearing any clothes or covered with hair.
Sounds like a boondoggle, and "what could possibly go wrong?"
On the other hand, the alternative in many of these situations, as we have seen, is to apply lead ventilation to the maniac who is resisting arrest. Which creates bad PR, among other things.
Also, on the moral/ethical/philosophical angle, how is the use of the glove any different from a taser or, for that matter, a gun?
Dr Evil called and wants his comedy bit back.
Hear me out, Sophie Cunningham gets one of these and...
NPR did a story on this yesterday. Of course, implicit in their argument is the unstated assertion, without evidence, that illegal aliens should have free reign without danger of expulsion, in the US.
Their question was whether all of these ICE agents should be given the latitude to wear such devices, since many of them have been hired in a post-election surge. Then they played a clip of police trying them out on themselves, complete with blood-curdling screams. And of course, unmentioned and avoided, the fact that such devices are being deployed against people that are here illegally and are resisting arrest, often violently.
Not sure they'll be effective. I would have thought such devices are more suitable to incarceration settings, where you don't want a prisoner taking away your Taser and using it on you.
The fact that DHS and ICE officers are responding this way suggests they’re overcompensating for inadequate training. You can see it in how readily they appear provoked by verbal confrontations, to the point of drawing their weapons. That’s not a sign of effective training or professional restraint.
"Also, on the moral/ethical/philosophical angle, how is the use of the glove any different from a taser or, for that matter, a gun?"
Playing devil's advocate, in LE (and MPs) there's an escalation of force ladder: Suggestions < Commands < *Hands* < Non-Lethal Chemical < *Non-Lethal Electrical* (yes there's a distinction) < Lethal Force. In other words, by making "going hands on" a 'shocking' experience they're running the risk of climbing the escalation ladder - per best practices - too quickly.
Other commenters aren't entirely incorrect that such a tool risks making every "hands on" event in a effect the deployment of a taser, and deploying a taser comes with specific ROEs.
"Hear me out, Sophie Cunningham gets one of these and..."
The WNBA reports that zero of its players are trans. But on this Fox News set, that number seems much higher.
Pete Hegseth wants to test the testosterone levels of troops. Should your workplace start doing the same?
My first reaction was to laugh at the image of a fat, purple haired, nose ringed twit (No. Not Howard) getting quite the shock after confronting an ICE agent.
I predict 11 million lawsuits because of this. Its like Trump's guys want bad PR at this point.
If illegals don't want to be shocked, they can go back home, can't they?
I mean- it's not like there's anybody stopping them, is there?
Prof: "The Glove...is not effective through clothing....So what body parts do you grab with your electrified hands?"
Yet another reason for men to avoid shorts. CC, JSM
But seriously, the MSM reaction to these gloves is yet more "we piped and you did not dance; we mourned and you did not wail." Today Morning Toe went on a bender against these things as the worst thing since unsliced bread.
Because if cops have yet another less-lethal alternative, they won't make enough lefty martyrs. So obvious. CC, JSM
If the perp is wearing a skirt - and you know who could be wearing a skirt - that fleshy inner thigh area, up near the mysterious working parts is just the spot,
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSK_QukuRxkghZ_vcxP3zzcKAzcHovkOvilR8O8K0XRdjvmTjvQXGk6achK&s=10
There seems to be a childlike belief in the good nature of bad guys demonstrated here.
It has a on-off switch on the wrist... duh... just grab the prep by the balls and snap the switch on...
Don't resist arrest. Don't consume Fentanyl before committing a crime. Don't navigate an SUV or other deadly weapon with affirmative action for social justice anywhere is injustice everywhere. Don't bring a gun, a scalpel to protest for humane treatment. #HateLovesAbortion
Well I Was Talking Last Night
Magneto And ICE Enforcement Man . . .
We Were Talking About gloves, Babe,
Oo --- they said ---
We gonna use electricity
To take out the trash
Always gathering down
On The Main Street.
I Didn't Believe Them (I didn’t believe ‘em)
Magneto And ICE Enforcement Man. . .
But When The Orange Dynamo
Finally Assured Me, Well, I Knew
This plan could save our society
Under fire from the Crazies
Always gathering down
On The Main Street
h/t Paul McCartney
I prefer Backronyms to Acronyms, and I'm rather sure G.L.O.V.E. is the former.
Immigration reform with collateral damage? Now it matters?
Emigration reform to mitigate progress at both ends of the bridge and throughout.
Can they abort the baby, cannibalize her profitable parts, sequester her carbon, and have her, too?
Hmm:
"Battery life – continuous
stimulation: 2 Hrs"
Back when school was fun, one of my students made a shock glove. He used the flash electronics from those disposable film cameras.
He brought it in to show me, then asked if I wanted a demonstration. Well, of course. It was nothing like a taser, but more like getting 120 V shock for an instant.
This was well over a decade ago. I wonder where Jimmy is working now.
Rene Goode (sp?) would still be alive if she got a shock rather than a pistol shot. I'm all for non lethal tools for law enforcement.
Kinky. I know some ladies who might like these. They sell these on Amazon?
They should put out a Michael Jackson version. A single, left hand, crystal and rhinestone-encrusted accessory.
Call it the Michael touch.
"The WNBA reports that zero of its players are trans. "
Did Brittany Griner retire?
No horseplay! What else could go wrong? ‘Always advise other officers of G.L.O.V.E. deployment by saying, “G.L.O.V.E. ON!”‘ Then sing the G.L.O.V.E. Song:
“A touch to the body, a moment of pain
Enough to subdue without causing disdain”
Nonetheless, the marketing videos emphasize that law enforcement officers will still be able to inflict lethal disdain. Watch to the end for the demonstration of how an officer can use the G.L.O.V.E. to drop someone to the ground and then back up and shoot the person. And, don’t worry, officers can draw, shoot, and reload quickly while wearing the G.LO.V.E..
I want a pair of these and I am only using them for horseplay.
"The Glove — Generated Low-Output Voltage Emitter — "is not effective through clothing or hair and can be degraded on individuals and animals that are extremely hairy."
So what body parts do you grab with your electrified hands? "
I know where I'm grabbing Begley.
Shock & Awe. Love it.
I'm trying to imagine how it would get used on the street. Granted, non-lethal options are good, but using it would seem to preclude other options if it fails ("Can you please stop resisting long enough for me to get this glove off so I can use my Taser?")
"Political Junkie said...
Shock & ow. Love it."
FIFY
Cops love buying cop shit. Doubt any will be used.
Pretti could have been shocked into peaceful compliance. Goode was operating an insulated, high mass, mobile projectile with deadly force.
invent a glove that locks onto a scrotum
problem solved.
This sounds like an updated version of the Joy Buzzer.
This is a really weird idea. I can't imagine how this can be used effectively without risking the accidental shocking of everyone around, including the wearer of the gloves. I think that this invention actually creates many more problems than it solves. Plus, although it's highly unlikely, it is possible for an electric jolt to accidentally ignite a bullet in a gun.
OK - more propaganda. God it never ends and people are so stupid they won't even point it out. The MSM never talks about all the poeple injured or killed by illegal aliens, but any attempt to enforce the laws will result in story after story of "Brown babies in cages" or "Police Brutality".
"Maynard said...
My first reaction was to laugh at the image of a fat, purple haired, nose ringed twit (No. Not Howard) getting quite the shock after confronting an ICE agent."
Yep, crowd control.
DeeDee Drivel said… “I want a pair of these and I am only using them for horseplay.”
Using the gloves to jack-off horses is probably deemed animal abuse, DeeDee. Best you continue your “fun” barehanded.
These gloves should be used on people who wear smart glasses.
What they need is those chloroform rags the bad guys always used in the movies. That seems perfect. It would save many lives and a lot of time. Also the Vulcan nerve pinch.
Has Trump tried GLOVE on for GRAB
You will notice that the long series of alternatives to Billy clubs have all been proprietary, expensive, and unreliable. There are safe, inexpensive and simple ways of incapacitating people, but for some inexplicable reason we don't go that route. What were we saying about government in that other post?
Stun guns are $20 on Amazon. Do we need 1 million of them?
1) "A Wisconsin city spent millions on a grocery store. It didn’t go well..."
2) "ICE is planning to buy up to $20 million worth of electric gloves..."
I see a pattern here. We have at least 50% more government than we need for a utopia. We are not hiring our smartest or most honest leaders.
Talk to the hand.
I hope they don't have a glitch like ED209.
Electricity is a tool of white supremacy.
The lost me at "horseplay
rehajm said...
“There are still illegals here to use them on?“
It’s racist to call them illegals. The proper term is undocumented voters.
bagoh20 said...
“What they need is those chloroform rags the bad guys always used in the movies. That seems perfect. It would save many lives and a lot of time. Also the Vulcan nerve pinch.”
Not everybody can do the Vulcan nerve pinch.
What’s the old Vulcan saying? God made men, but phasers made them equal.
RSM: "Playing devil's advocate, in LE (and MPs) there's an escalation of force ladder: Suggestions < Commands < *Hands* < Non-Lethal Chemical < *Non-Lethal Electrical* (yes there's a distinction) < Lethal Force. In other words, by making "going hands on" a 'shocking' experience they're running the risk of climbing the escalation ladder - per best practices - too quickly."
The manual (and presumably ICE and/or police protocol) seems to indicate that "the glove" is to be used at the "non-lethal electrical" rung of the escalation ladder. I.e., in lieu of a taser. After "hands" and "non-lethal chemical."
Does anyone seriously think that ICE agents are going to just be out walking around wearing electrifying gloves?
Also--where does the nightstick fit in the escalation ladder?
"Plus, although it's highly unlikely, it is possible for an electric jolt to accidentally ignite a bullet in a gun."
You know what else is even more likely to cause the accidental discharge of a gun? A drug-crazed---or just plain crazed--criminal lunatic struggling with armed police officers.
Wanna know how to avoid getting glove shock? Go home.
Hell, we're even paying you to go home.
GTFO.
"Does anyone seriously think that ICE agents are going to just be out walking around wearing electrifying gloves?"
You mean aside from leftards?
Yes, a baton blow to the common peroneal (nerve ganglion in about the middle of your outer quad) will usually bring a man down. Baton to the deltoid (outer shoulder) makes that arm unusable for a few seconds. Baton poke to the solar plexus (the gut) will knock the wind out of a suspect. And a copper who knows how to swing that thing, regardless of gender, size, or strength, can achieve these effects. Fight over, dude cuffed. But oh, it's 'violent.' And occasionally the suspect will zig when the officer zags, and the baton will break a bone instead of landing on meaty parts. But those are features: fear of getting whacked with the baton may achieve compliance, as it's more instinctive than fear of a taser or pepper spray or electric goalie gloves. And even if you think you're legally bulletproof, as in the coppers would never dare shoot you, maybe you'll think they really will whack you.
How many police shootings might have been prevented if they still had batons? CC, JSM
The left's goal isn't to reduce injuries to those being arrested, it's to reduce arrests.
You can't hug your kids with nuclear arms or electric hands.
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