BIDEN: There is a contingency, a cabal — a word that is, you know, gives it too much credit —of gay Republican men that are closeted and have an enormous amount of self-hate... In DC.... We all know who they are.
LEMON: Yes. Was Lindsey Graham one of them?
BIDEN: Of course he was.... Why have none of your colleagues outed these people? Why when when they absolutely know?... I think that part of it has to do with the with the um with something that is real is that it is really really really dangerous to go down the path of outing anyone for any reason because of the horror and the history of it.
LEMON: Well, that I think that's why. But but if you're a hypocrite, it's different.
BIDEN: Oh, I don't I don't disagree.... I really do feel that one of the things that we're experiencing is people that have no respect for themselves and because of that they that their their their capacity towards empathy towards anyone else is greatly greatly diminished. I mean psychologically I understand it. I understand that that self that that you are unable to express who you truly are and that self-hatred is turned against the world. And I think it's a real thing without diminishing the the the any of the personal experiences that any of them have gone through or their right to privacy about their own sexuality. It's kind of like none of us care. Like you're the only one who cares and in your concern for it is that what you've done is decide to take it out on all the rest of us.
LEMON: Well, it's mindboggling because you're operating in a system that doesn't sbelieve that you should exist and then you're saying to yourself like I guess I shouldn't. It it's a it's I'm not a psychologist or a psychiatrist, but it it's crazy. Um, so can we just gossip a little bit? Did you did you ever know anyone? Did you, were there stories about him and callboys and hookers or any of that?
BIDEN: No, no, no, no. I mean, look, I'm I'm just enough people that I've um, yeah, I've been around. It's just that it was kind of like accepted.... Who else? I'm already in enough lawsuits, Don.... I'm I'm not going to do this.
LEMON: Can you give me initials?
BIDEN: You give me. You know as well as I do! I mean, are you asking me if Josh Hawley is gay?... Are you asking me if Stephen Miller's gay?... I don't know. I don't know. I really don't know.... Are you asking me if Speaker Johnson's gay?... Personally, I don't know.
They never get back to the insinuation that there's a "cabal." A "cabal" is — to quote the OED — "A small group of people who come together to promote their own interests or gain power, typically keeping themselves and their actions away from public view or scrutiny; a secretive clique or faction, esp. in politics."
So are these gay men secretly scheming?
Here's how the NYT used "cabal" in 2020: "QAnon is the umbrella term for a sprawling set of internet conspiracy theories that allege, falsely, that the world is run by a cabal of Satan-worshiping pedophiles."
So Hunter Biden, QAnon-ishly, alleges that Washington, D.C. is run by a cabal of closeted gay men. Let him step up and make his point coherently — not babbling to Don Lemon.
I know you can say he only threw the word out there and then took it back. He said that word "gives it too much credit." Because they aren't actually coming together to promote their own interests or to gain power?
But then, back to Lemon's original question: Why are Republicans so obsessed with gay men?
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So interesting. And so much to "unpack". We can start with Hunter Biden. A convicted felon: a drug user, a whoremonger, a moron who turned in his computer to a repair shop and forgot about it, a man who took bribes from the Chicoms, a man...
And he's treated like as just a normal guy with insightful opinions. Someone who has "Thoughts" on why those awful republicans, those horrible people, are what they are.
I mean how weird is that?
But to get back to "The Gay thing". I loved attacking Miss lindsey as a weird gay guy. Why? Because he was a horrible human being - with power. Who made this world worse, and got thousands of people killed The night before he died he was fondling a fucking drone with a smile on his face! He was like some fucking evil bond villian.
So, if people wanted to attack and mock him as some weird "Ladybugs" character - fine. He deserved it.
But for some reason people can understand that this is just tactics. Years ago the liberal/left would mock people they dislike as "Gay". J. Edgar hoover was Gay. Hilter was Gay. Franco was Gay. Now, they attack anyone they dislike as a "Closet Gay".
Why would anyone give any credit to anything these two lunatics say?
And Hunter can slander the dead all he wants. No lawsuit.
But what I don't get is since the Dems are institutionally in support of the gay community, why are they attacking closeted gays? Is it because they are closeted? Can't sexuality be kept private? Is the personal always political.
Don Lemon is such a clown. If he was a real journalist, he could have asked Hunter how mentally disabled Joe was. Who was really President? How did the Dems steal all those votes?
No republicans were involved in this conversation, so why are democrats so obsessed with republicans? Seems gay.
Don Lemon has credibility? No. Hunter Biden has even less.
If you’re gay I do not need to know, nor do I care.
So its all just a matter of political expendiency. During WW 2 the Left hated some isolationist Massachutes Senator - forgot his name - who was arrested at a Gay brothel in NYC. And they leaked his name to the press.
This violated the "Rule" - that the Press (and both the D's and R's) in DC went by. Your private life was private -unless it affected your work.
The "isolationists" retaliated by leaking that Summner Welles, FDR's big buddy, and under-secretary of state, had asked for sex with some Pullman Porters. Welles had to resign.
All this crap is just irrelevant. Graham was a shithead, and he would've been a shithead if he'd had 20 Children and a hundred girlfriends. We give these clowns power over us and what they do in their private sex lives doesn't matter. All that matters is what they do with the power.
A white crackhead and a black homo talking about gayness...it's like watching Ed Buck and Gemmel Moore performance art.
are you kidding us?
The left force us to worship gay people for the entire month of June.
WE are forced to place gay pride flags in kindergarten +
We are forced to place gay pride flags in our businesses.
Gays have total freedom - and it's not enough. It's never enough.
Now it's the trans/ hairy men in dresses in your daughters locker room and men in women's jails and men in women's sports.
Also - and more importantly
It's disgusting sex stories on the school library book shoves.
The ACLU(D) is pushing it all. The ACLU fights to demand disgusting sex books (that contain explicit father-young daughter sex xxx explicitly written out.)
ACLU fights for disgusting sex books to sit in the public school library
https://www.elizabethschooldistrict.org/about-us/help-support-esd-in-legal-battle-with-aclu
LINK
RC makes a good point.
It's the left who mock homosexuals.
BTW, FDR was extremely upset at Summner Welles being outed. He blamed William Bullitt and said Bullitt would "Burn in hell" for what he did to Summner. Of course, FDR smirked and thought it was funny that the "isolationist" Senator from Massachutes had been outed. But when it happened to my friend, well "That's different".
Liberal/leftist never change. You cant trust these assholes for one second.
Don Lemon - the evil demon who gathered with antifa thugs to terrorize a church ? Screw him. Don Lemon is an asshole.
My first question is who are they talking about? Nobody cares about gays, anyway those who aren't activists. The activists you just avoid.
"So Hunter Biden, QAnon-ishly, alleges that Washington, D.C. is run by a cabal of closeted gay men."
I believe Biden claimed something like "closeted Republican gay men", such as Lindsey Graham, as part of the "cabal". If they are into self-hatred, that doesn't seem to fit the definition provided for cabal. Are they promoting their self-interest or do they hate their interests?
Wrapped into this is the common democrat bigotry that suggests if you are part of an identified / marginalized minority, then you better not wander off the democrat plantation and support republican ideas.
The transcript is machine-generated? It's very very hard to transcribe dysfluencies because you tune them out. You have to back up the recording many times to catch them.
"Nobody cares about gays"
That's the whole point. They're still not the center of attention, and godammit they're planning to be more loud and obnoxious about it.
"Why are Republicans so obsessed with gay men?"
Which Republicans? I don't know any.
Anyway, it's Democrats who are obsessed with pigeonholing people.
…it’s unhealthy to parse conversations with Hunter Biden and Don Lemon. …said Hunter Biden to Don Lemon sounds like a pinch line…
"Why are Republicans so obsessed with gay men?"
I've heard the charge before. But, in terms of material evidence, other than Trump using that YMCA song at rallies and the so called "Log Cabin" Republicans, I don't have, I'm struggling to remember reading anything concrete about a "gay republican cabal".
ai answers: "Yes, multiple printed stories and political histories have documented various forms of a rumored or actual "gay Republican cabal" or "gay mafia" operating in Washington, D.C., spanning over four decades." It links to an article in The Guardian.
ai goes on: "While Hunter Biden's recent comments to Don Lemon used phrases like the "closeted gay mafia", the concept has a long history in investigative journalism, book-length political histories, and local D.C. reporting." That Links to r/gay and The Advocate - an LGBTQ Magazine.
It's well known that many DC staffers are gay and don't like to talk about it. Are they a cabal? That seems like the sort of unfounded conspiracy theory that some people relish. Was Lindsey Graham part of a gay cabal? Nah, I think Hunter Biden was just connecting the rumors about Graham with his conspiracy theory.
So are Republicans "obsessed" by homosexuality because there are a lot of self-hating gay Republicans in DC? That doesn't follow. Hunter uses the question to promote his conspiracy theory and because he was so ready with a response some people will assume that it was actually an answer to the question.
The Massachusetts Senator was David Walsh. Barney Frank liked to say that the two bachelor House Speakers from Massachusetts were also gay. Did he actually know that? Probably not, but some people would assume that he did.
There is more ai generated material about a "gay republican cabal" - I'll just link to the Google page that also generated the list below.
The 1980 "Homosexual Ring" Investigation
The 2006 Mark Foley Scandal & "The Hill's Gay Mafia"
The 2009 "Outrage" Documentary and Media Coverage
The Modern "A-Gays" Profiles (2025)
Always remember : 'ai makes mistakes'.
Democrats are just terrible people.
Gutfeld and Company are obsessed with Don Lemon's stupidity.
I am now too.
Obsessed? I can't even spell LGBTQIA+.
ACLU demands that all illegals - 10-20 million of them - get free court dates.
ACLU demands ICE be dismantled.
ACLU demands that disgusting pedo sex in books sit on the library book shelves where your kids go to school. Kindergarten up.
Don Lemon and White Left Burisma crook Hunter belong in the bath house together. LOL - was that mean? Too bad. They are both horrid.
Left-wing opinions (and hate) are driven by denial about themselves and ignorance about others.
Yes, Peachy, I am sure that Gutfeld will be all over the Hunter-Lemon interview like, well, like Don Lemon on....CC, JSM
Don Lemon asks Hunter Biden?
Trans people? Individuals or couplets, groomers under political congruence ("=")? Tolerance or celebration? #NoJudgment #NoLabels #HateLovesAbortion
So, we can't have a gay old time? On the Isle of Lesbos. That's queer, but rarely weird.
Two Commie Preverts say what?
Obsessed? You mean like Scott Bessent - who's kicking ass and taking names at Treasury - obsessed?
OK.
Why are leftists so obsessed with grooming children?
Is the state of the Democrat Party such that Hunter Biden thinks he can make a comeback? On the plus side - no Nazi tattoos.
Republicans have an interesting take on Republican gay men, many of whom are religious and celibate. They sometimes even consult them (I've been in the room) on gay issues. But they generally aren't horrified and, barring scandal or dishonesty to wives and offspring, they let them decide to come out or not. Lindsey Graham was the perfect example of this. They judged him on issues and ethics, not sexual identity. No, not all of them, but I've seen a thousand times worse gay-related behavior from liberal and leftist gay men (lesbians, for example, and especially female *breeders* were people they just abuse). Plus being predatory and passing around the barely legal pages. Hunter Biden and Don Lemon are good examples of dishonest leftist -- well, gays, and a guy who should die in prison.
Luminaries collide.
Hunter Biden, when he wasn't drugged out of his mind, couldn't spend one second without thinking his dick getting into a pussy.
I can't think of guy, who would know less about Gays. Of course, maybe Hunter is also in the closet and is over-compensating.
It's just politics. The Democrats are extreme on LGBT issues. Furthermore, Democrats aggressively police average people on social media, in academia and in the workplace whenever the LGBT issue comes up. Even Sophie Cunningham got a dressing down when she said she didn't want men to participate in the WNBA. LGBT is an obvious burden to the liberals and the Republicans don't want you to forget it.
Seriously its 2026, why are we still being forced to think about Biden and his loser family?
Thats one reason why I am glad miss Lindsey will be put in ground on July 29th. Finally, we will never have hear this South Carolina Jackass braying on TV about some foreign war ever again. Or hear about Killin' ruskiees or arabs or whoever.
Never again!
As far as cabals, everyone knew Graham was gay. They just left him alone. They admired his hardscrabble childhood and how he raised his sister after his parents died young. Those are the best values of the Republican Party. They admire moral commitment over identity, so long as you act with decorum.
And don't screw children.
What about our cross-dressing FFLOTUS, Big Mike? Did they talk about him at all?
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Not that many liked his foreign policies. But that's different.
So a discredited out-of-work journalist queen with a failing podcast and a disgraced crack addict nepo baby with credit rating problems, are discussing the conservative straights' terror of a secret cabal of gay conservatives? And then they don't name any conservatives, straight or gay? Nor provide any examples of what is causing the actual terror? When the present Treasury Secretary is out in the open 'gay', and nobody says anything?
In my experience conservatives don't care much about it, as long as the gay person keeps their private life private. And which side has a big problem with privacy, hmmm? Which side does the doxxing and the SWAT-ing, hmmm?
Scott Bessent and Richard Grenell walk into a bar.............then they beat the shit out of Don and Hunter.
The curious question is if everybody that goes to DC goes there with an agenda, why does being gay and having an agenda in DC any different than being straight and having an agenda in DC?
I would rephrase the question Althouse asked to Who’s afraid of gay republicans and why?
I always loved on the Wire how they showed Deputy Chief Rawls at a gay bay for a second. That was it. They threw it out there. And it made difference at all about his character. Hey guy was a bright, ambitious, conniving asshole. Straight or Gay, the game is the game.
Allen Ginsburg was a gay poet. John Ashbery was a poet who was gay.
The GoP has many flaws. But they haven’t been obsessed with gays ever.
The left build fake hate.
What’s wrong in taking pleasure in the game of ambiguity. Why does everyone have to be so monotonously concrete about their sexuality . . . or anything else for that matter.
The stupid ploddingly boring left wants to take the fun out - doesn’t even understand - all the small little pleasures people take in playing games. Leave us alone.
John Henry, what's a FFLOTUS? You're not talking about Michelle Obama? I'd say far less than 3% of the very most conservative groups I used to speak to called her Big Mike or thought she was transgender, and they were a minority of a minority, and I scolded them. I don't respect her, but I feel sorry for her. She came from a fine, middle-class, admittedly physically large-framed and athletic family, and Obama treated her like crap. Her brother coaches kids in the projects. Her feisty grandmother told off the terrorists and elites Obama brought into their life. Her parents were decent and hard-working. I'll give her that.
What stage of feminism is it when a man who impregnates a woman forced to sell sex and takes her to court to deny the baby support money and his name becomes a Democrat presidential possibility.
Who is doing the obsessing here?
Leftist gays are all A-OK.
Gay non-leftist gays are not allowed in the club, nor are they allowed to speak freely or be celebrated.
“Hilter was Gay.”
@RCOCEAN, that would have surprised Eva Braun.
“But then, back to Lemon's original question: Why are Republicans so obsessed with gay men?”
@Althouse, what is your evidence that we are? That Don Lemon says so?
@Althouse, you have never heard of the Log Cabin Republicans?
“But then, back to Lemon's original question: Why are Republicans so obsessed with gay men?”
@Althouse, what is your evidence that we are? That Don Lemon says so?
It’s called throwing out a topic for discussion. It’s not meant to be offensive. You might call it a little game she enjoys playing.
Nothing to get all huffy about.
Hey, let's attack a man no longer able to defend himself... Today on the Don Lemon Podcast.
throwing out a topic for discussion . . . and successfully so, I might add.
Lazarus said
>>> Barney Frank liked to say that the two bachelor House Speakers from Massachusetts were also gay.
Joe Martin was a bachelor, but who was the other? Gillett, McCormack, and O'Neill were all married.
Whether it is bachelorhood, friends with "benefits", or trans (e.g. homo), why discuss, let alone celebrate behaviors that have no redeeming value to either society or humanity? Tolerable, often, but without pride.
My favorite line of his was in response to Trump calling him a “failed crackhead”.
‘Just to be clear I was NOT a failed crackhead. I was an extremely accomplished crackhead.’
Hunter broke the endless cycle of shame that fuels addiction and is enjoying his sobriety with the confidence of a man who has faced down his demons and owns his mistakes. There's an authenticity that comes with that that's difficult not to like.
“There's an authenticity that comes with that that's difficult not to like.”
He should run for the Senate seat in Maine.
According to the politically congruent, there are two genders: cisgender and transgender. The latter a selfie identification through affirmative expression. The former a mocking humor garnering gay giggles in progressive sects wielding liberal license. #HateLovesAbortion
Hunter Biden and Don Lemon? Now that's a pairing for the ages. Why would anyone, left or right, have any interest in any opinions those miserable clowns have? Those two prove that one needn't be poor or white to be trash.
Eek! Two posts in a row that feature a man who makes my skin crawl. The only reason I’m not using the word visceral in regard to Hunter Biden is that I’ve been aware of him for decades (Delaware connection) and so it’s been baked in for a long time. Just ugh.
I've never understood the adoration that Trump/MAGA have for homosexual musical groups like The Village People. They play their music at campaign rallies, and dance to tunes like YMCA, which is all about having sex with other men at the Young Men's Christian Association. That's just plain perverse.
"I've never understood..."
You could have stopped right there. Just because you're fixated on thinking about having sex with other men at the Young Men's Christian Association doesn't mean everybody is.
“ @Althouse, you have never heard of the Log Cabin Republicans?”
I understand that that is what all the gay men with large kielbasas join.
“ lonejustice said...
I've never understood the adoration that Trump/MAGA have for homosexual musical groups like The Village People. They play their music at campaign rallies, and dance to tunes like YMCA, which is all about having sex with other men at the Young Men's Christian Association”
Well, just the other day down at the MAGA Lincoln Log Republican Music Center Christian Church we were all saying that we need someone to stand up and speak the truth.
goddamit.
Tina, FFLOTUS is Former First Lady Of The US.
I doubt that they are trans and I don't think I know of anyone who really thinks she is. It is just fun to propagate as it seems to annoy all the right people.
Except you. I did not mean to annoy you.
OT, but since you asked the other day, I prompted Suno to make a track of a James Brown sound alike singing an R&B version of Orange Blossom Special with a Klezmer band. You had planted the seed and it was nagging me until I finally had to see what that would sound like.
The resulting track was rather special. Not bad and kind of catchy but somewhat strange.
John Henry
The other day Hunter threatened to sue someone for sullying his reputation.
I nearly spit out my oatmeal. Who knew that Hunter had any reputation left to sully?
John Henry
There's an awful lot of very strange projection going on there.
One of the most powerful and active men in DC right now is Scott Bessent. Donald Trump appointed him and has given him a very free hand in the international economic realm. Everybody knows he is gay; he makes no secret of it.
What are these two losers talking about?
Well it’s up against the wall MAGA Lincoln Log Republican Music Center Christian Church mothers, mothers who have raised their sons so well. He’s 21 and drinking in the Essen House, just kicking hippies asses and raising hell
Trump is the first President that accepted gay marriage before becoming President.
“lonejustice said...
I've never understood the adoration that Trump/MAGA have for homosexual musical groups like The Village People..”
Nor, I imagine, have you tried. For you the dominant fact is the sexual orientation, and you assume that Republicans, as a group, hate gays, as a group. But what if Trump likes their music and neither he nor most of the rest of us Republicans give a damn about their sexual orientation.
Is Hunter getting ready to run for President? Please tell me he is not.
This is a problem for the politically congruent who argued couplets "=" couples, fetus "=" baby, and now the male sex "=" female sex by virtue of gender simulation or social progress in drag. Don is a lemon. Biden is a hunter. Both are ideologically PC. That said, civil unions for all consenting adults. #NoJudgment #NoLabels #LoveWins #LustWins #Whatever #HateLovesAbortion
Hunter would have to stay sober for a decade before he could run for president. That’s what W did. Quit the drinking & the coke. Then ran for governor on Daddy’s name.
"But then, back to Lemon's original question: Why are Republicans so obsessed with gay men?"
A more pertinent question: Why isn't Hunter Biden in federal prison?
From the NY Times in 1942:
WASHINGTON, May 20 -- The Federal Bureau of Investigation has reported that there is not the "slightest foundation" for charges that Senator Walsh, 69-year-old chairman of the Naval Affairs Committee, visited "a house of degradation" in Brooklyn and was seen talking to Nazi agents there, Senator Barkley, the majority leader, announced to the Senate today.
“Here's how the NYT used "cabal" in 2020: "QAnon is the umbrella term for a sprawling set of internet conspiracy theories that allege, falsely, that the world is run by a cabal of Satan-worshiping pedophiles."”
Intentional misrepresentation. Qanons were the anonymous crowd sourcers and followers of Q, who periodically published fairly accurate information about the institutional left, and in particular the civilian portion of the Intelligence Community. Esp the corruption in the FBI, starting with their Counterintelligence Division (CD). It’s finally coming out, eight years too late, that Q was right. Crossfire Hurricane and RussiaGate were highly dishonest, illegal, operations by the civilian part of the IC, and, in particular, of the FBI’s CD (and DOJ’s Counterintelligence and Export Control Branch (CD’s sister organization). I think that it was summer of 2021 when Q published a transcript of the infamous conversation between CD supervisor (soon branch chief) Peter Strzok and his illicit lover, Lisa Page, inside attorney for FBI DD McCabe, where Strzok promised Page that they (FBI CD) would make sure that Crooked Hillary wouldn’t lose to Trump (conversation for late June/early July of 2020). Many of the Q revelations turned out to be true (though it’s taken 8 years or so to prove them.
No one is sure who Q is/was, though many believe that it was someone with very high level access, in the military side of the IC. Which is where LTG Flynn worked, and why he was a high level target for the civilian side of the IC, and, in particular, the FBI’s CD and DOJ’s CECB. Likely, I think Q was with the NSA.
The place where gay pedophiles come in were revelations of a high level pedophile ring operating in the DC area. Most notable alleged members were the Podesta brothers. Both big in Dem politics, and one prominently in the Obama Administration. There was supposedly a pizza parlor involved, in, I believe, N VA. The details were fairly lurid. Supposedly gay sex with young boys, and maybe even torture, and possibly child sacrifice for their blood. Never really debunked, but never really collaborated either.
“ Scott Bessent and Richard Grenell walk into a bar.............then they beat the shit out of Don and Hunter.”
The point here is that Trump doesn’t care about sexual orientation one bit. What he cares about is performance. He is an equal opportunity employer. Gay or straight - it doesn’t matter to him.
Contrast that with the Dems, who hire by the numbers. Pete Buttplug was Biden’s Sec of Treasury, because gays needed a cabinet level position. He had no qualifications for the job, and expectedly underperformed in the job. Who else, as Sec of DoT, would buy twins with is husband, then take an extended maternity leave right in the middle of the LA and Long Beach port snafu? Normal DoT Sec would have been at his command post making announcements every night on the evening news. Nope. Not Buttplug. Instead, we got photos of him and his husband, sitting in bed together, trying to nurse the twins with fake tits.
And that shows the difference. Trump hires by performance, while Dems hire for constituency membership. And then the Dems try to hide this by calling Trump and the Republicans racist, sexist, homophobic, etc. And freak out when Trump dismantles their illegal constituency rewarding system.
"“But then, back to Lemon's original question: Why are Republicans so obsessed with gay men?” @Althouse, what is your evidence that we are? That Don Lemon says so?
It’s called throwing out a topic for discussion...."
I don't think I endorsed the premise of Lemon's question. I just threw his question back at him. It's not something I would assert, but also not something I chose to examine here. I mean, "what is your evidence" that I believe the premise? If the idea is to be careful not to assume people believe things that they have not asserted, you could be more careful too. But anyway, I thought it was a funny Lemonism, not something that had to be independently examined. You can examine it, but no need to bring me into it.
Dumb and Dumber.
Why are gay men so obsessed with Republicans?
The radical leftists who have co-opted the Democratic Party have shown themselves to be obsessed with LGBTQ+ for years. Now they accuse Republicans of an obsession? That's projection.
Solo just us wrote this slanderous comment; “ YMCA, which is all about having sex with other men at the Young Men's Christian Association.”
Victor Willis, who wrote the song, is not gay and nothing in the lyrics are about “having sex” with anyone. The song was adopted by the gay community, and some have suggested that “hang out with all the boys” is innuendo, but it wasn’t to the song writer, and it takes a lot of imposing one’s own beliefs to take that line as “having sex”.
Democrats attack “supposedly” closeted gays because the “supposedly closeted” gays do not prance around, screaming about how gay they are. They are gay and do not want to broadcast their sexuality. Like Bessent, Grenell, scott pressey(?). No one effing cares. But if you don’t broadcast you are gay every opportunity you are not promoting democrat politics. The true unforgiveable sin.
Bessent is a true Homo economicus.
@JohnHenry: James Brown with Klezmer music probably makes a lot more sense than Hunter Biden and Don Lemon talking about ethics. Thanks.
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