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283 এর 1 – থেকে 200 আরও নতুন» সবচেয়ে নতুন»When it really dark, say from November to March, we can shift the start time of school and work back one hour.
I don't have a preference between DS and Standard time, but I just want to set the time in one or the other and to be done with it. Or we could match India and move it 1/2 hour back in the fall and leave it there.
One time will rule them all, good! My grandfather used to wear two watches . . . God's time and Daylight Savings Time. No need for that anymore . . . but they shoulda gone back to God's time, not DST.
Whoop-de-doo. I got up in the dark and walked to school uphill through the snow and mud. Both ways.
As @Reddington notes, schools could shift the time if needed. The total daylight hours in winter dictate the best operating window.
If one has commuted during school hours, they'd know that school busses have fold-out "Stop" signs and red flashing lights integrated into their design. These operate in daylight or darkness. Busy intersections have "Crossing Guards" wearing bright green vests and carrying "Stop" signs too.
I attended high school with a girl who went to an evening party and then walked along a country road after dark. In dark blue clothes. She was killed. Yet, Japan routinely sends tiny little kids to school all by themselves. It's possible to educate children about safety.
"we can shift the start time of school and work back one hour."
Yes, let's find a whole new way to shift clocks so that Congress can pass short sighted legislation.
I was joking!
My kids' middle school bus comes at 6:51. They're waiting in the dark regardless. This buys them some more time in the afternoon. Where's the display showing the sunsets?
Just keep it the way it is. The other problem is you lose an hour in the PM and add it to the morning in the summer. Great for Althouse, but most of us wont be able to enjoy that extra hour and lose an hour in the PM.
Congress cant do anything important or even pass a balanced budget but they have time for this nonsense.
Tom Cotton says he will block this in the Senate
I vaguely remember going to school in the 70s when we didn't have DST. I hated it because it was so damn dark. Getting up was hard enough for a small child, but the dark and the cold was so depressing, I still remember it.
@Reddington -- It's very sensible.
The clock is just a number. Construction crews start to work in darkness because it's a lot cooler to do physical labor -- they eat lunch by 11:00. Agricultural workers work around the clock for a harvest (e.g., weather, rotting). Humans can easily adapt as needed.
The notion of a firm 8:00 to 5:00 or 9:00 to 5:00 schedule pertains to factory/manufacturing shift labor of the Industrial Age. Before that era people followed the sun. Doctors made housecalls. Churches and schools rang their bells to set the attendance schedule per local time (i.e., noon was the local solar maximum).
This might finally be the catalyst for finally scrapping DST altogether! Any state may opt out of DST, though right now only two (AZ and HI) have availed themselves of that option. But this horrible new implementation of DST could trigger a stampede of states that want nothing to do with it.
Kids are heading to school to be there by 7:30 AM. They were already going to school in the dark.
Reddington is on the right track, but I read his comment as schools having two different start times during the school year (which may not be what he meant). I ask why change the school start time during the school? Wby not set the start time based on the latest winter daylight and leave it there in sunnier months?
We'd probably be better off if people planned their daily activities by the passage of the sun, rather than the numbers on a clock.
So the latest sunrise will be 8am for cities like Houston and LA? Why is that bad? As for schools, how about just having them start later? In the daylight? “Friday Night Lights” is about high school kids playing school intramural sports in the dark. Is there legislation to repeal that for the safety of children?
Also, cloud cover. Overcast days can be dark and threatening.
I believe the key here is to set the time zones once, and then leave them alone. People will adjust as long as they aren't jerked around twice per year.
How about China? One time zone -- Beijing Time -- for the entire country.
Why are people asking questions that are already answered. Kids going to school in the dark is why "its so bad".
Isn’t this the same mistake they made in 1974 that ended less than 10 months later?
DST or Dogs' Serving Time is critical to avoid messy accidents. Pups need a routine to follow, so they don't doo doo in the privacy of darkness.
I can get up later for the Spanish mackerel is what I’m reading.
I just came inside after working 1.5 hours doing my lawn. I start at 7:15 because it's so hot later in the day (I live between Miami and Ft. Lauderdale). I've never had a neighbor complain or mention it.
I play golf 3 weekdays every week. We start at 7.
No one, and I mean no one, hates DST more than I do.
“ When it really dark, say from November to March, we can shift the start time of school and work back one hour.”
This makes way too much sense to use as a basis for government policy.
make school start later for the little kids…
Demos-cracy dies in darkness is a... uh, Choice, with Democratic appeal.
“Yes, let's find a whole new way to shift clocks so that Congress can pass short sighted legislation.”
…this is the repeal legislation…
jeez that map really doesn’t bolster the argument against change….
…the Monday after the switch to daylight savings is regularly noted as the most dangerous for road related deaths. Think of all the lives saved. Maybe we can put an adult driver’s name on the legislation…
Where I grew up in West Michigan, the sun will come up in December at about 9:00 am. In Marquette that will be 9:30 am. Intolerable.
Planned Pupilhood (PP). Maybe, baby, a fetus... feature of social... solar progression. A new green deal with a pivotal consensus.
I don't like it. I like having early sunrises for my morning walk. Go out at 6:30 a.m. and get it done while it is cool, which is fine now. I don't like the idea of having to wait until 8:30 a.m. in December.
Trump vowed to veto any bill that hits his desk unless the SAVE Act is passed first or attached to it.
do the other way.
FALL BACK FOREVER.
Then we are all on regular standard time.
"daylight savings time" is for losers.
On July 4th - it will be darker earlier- better!
Fall back to standard time and keep that extra hour - forever.
RCOCEAN II said...
"I vaguely remember going to school in the 70s when we didn't have DST."
The US tried permanent Daylight Saving Time in the 70's to supposedly conserve energy in the oil crisis. People hated it and it ended.
Maybe that's what you remember?
A bunch of retirees complaining about standard v. daylight savings time. Sorry, you no longer have any skin in that game.
It does seem stupid for Congress to have DST in effect year round. Noon should be high noon. Just choose standard time and move everything up one hour.
By 2050 do people really think there will still be schools in the traditional sense? Optimistic!
Its our new & improved Long National Nightmare.
“rehajm said...
make school start later for the little kids.”
Today my sons are in their 40s but back when they were teenagers I was aware of research that indicated that the high school students who most needed a late start. Which the education establishment regularly ignored because “reasons.” I don’t know whether it’s since been debunked by real scientists (as opposed to untrustworthy members of the education establishment) but our own experiences with our sons suggest there was something to it.
Lunar time is the way to go.
Leave it to Congress to get it backwards and make the same mistake twice.
I used to get home from school in the dark and walk a mile through unlighted woods from the bus stop.
Remember 5 years ago when teachers across the country coordinated actively to keep children away from schools (for the teacher's safety...) and made kids play musical instruments through slits cut in surgical masks?
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
DST - there is no reason why there should be daylight after 8:00PM.
Also, and this it’s important, trick-or-treating is an activity that should take place with no sunlight.
I don't understand why people want an hour later the entire year. It's obvious that standard time is less hassle for everyone. People who live too far north should get blackout curtains. The end.
NO to daylight savings time for all.
Yes to STANDARD TIME for all.
Some states are already on Standard time year round.
Get with it - Trump.
As my inner DJT would say -
Daylight Savings Time is for pussies and losers.
Paint it black is a first-order forcing of viable social and climate change (e.g. Urban Heat Island)... and Diversity (i.e. nano, micro, and macro aggression).
It's painfully obvious that few (if any) commenters have lived in real northern latitudes. When I was teaching in Yukon, not far south of the Arctic Circle we saw the Sun for about 45 minutes per day -- but there is LONG twilight on either side of that.
Now school around New Year in any case. The idea that kids will be "killed" because of this is just a straw-man argument.
I've been saying this for years and no one will listen.
Daylight Savings Time SUX.
Who care it you get a few long days in summer?
Geeez - The days are already longer because it's summer.
The sun never sets on Greenwich Standard Time.
The complaints about shifting the time one hour always puzzles me. I can drive an hour and be in the eastern time zone. Crossing that line in either direction is no big deal. For those of us who travel, shifting by several hours is more readily felt. I worked rotating shift work for 6 years. Depending on the rotation schedule, I had to shift work and sleep by 8 hours as often as every other day. They called it the double back rotation. I called it perpetual jet lag. I worked that rotation schedule for 16 months and was sick much of that time.
Where I live, they are going to school in the dark every winter now. Or getting home after dark.
Louisville (JCPS) has staggered start/end times: 7:30 - 2:10, 8:40 - 3:20, and 9:40 - 4:20. (School but routes can take 20 minutes to just over an hour.) Someone is always going to be in the dark. When the days were the shortest last winter sunrise was around 8:00 and sunset around 5:30. Having the possibility of some daylight left for everyone when they get home seems like an excellent idea.
Kids will wait for the bus in the dark either way. The length of a day changes a lot more than just 1 hour in the northern latitudes.
The question is, do you want that extra hour of daylight in the morning or in the evening? I vote for evening. Which is what they are giving us. Good.
The majority of pepole are clock punchers. When pressed for time, I routinely go to lunch food places at 11:45 -- the crowd tends to be one quarter or 1/10th the size of the 12:30 crowd. You may need to wait behind just 2 or 3 people.
Humans are often herd animals with no original ideas or independence.
Puzzling is this idea that we can manipulate an extra hour of "lightness"
It is not possible. The sun sets when it sets, rises when it rises - depending on our rotation around the sun... and the tilt of the earth.
The day length is the day length. Manipulating the clock doesn't change how many hours of daylight we get..
Leave it at standard time. and deal.
The sun is the master, the moon the slave, maybe AI can LED our drive to equity and inclusion. Damn you, Shakespeare.
Standard Time fans: you want those 4 AM sunrises in the summer?
Pick one and leave it alone. I can adapt. I hate changing the clocks, especially my vehicles.
“Today my sons are in their 40s but back when they were teenagers I was aware of research that indicated that the high school students who most needed a late start”
yup. I lived that but I recall it was ‘children’ not just high school kids. My first class in high school was 7:55am. First class in middle school was 9:30. I was much happier in middle school…
Lets go full commie with time. Lets just abandon time altogether. It's a patriarchal colonialist construct.
I blame the jooos.
The sun, the waning moon, and the black rock. These are a few of the features that encircle us in our dark isolation.
Ask yourself why grade schoolers are going to school so early anyway. And studies of highschoolers show they would do far better if they went to school later. It’s not like school start times were set in stone somewhere back on Mount Sinai. It’s not even like there’s a rule that if the sun is straight over your head, it should be noon. it’s all contrived.
Left Bank objects to retired people having and expressing an opinion.
I wonder what he thinks about AARP?
Time is but an anthropocentric delusion of motion, which struts and frets its hour upon the day, and then is heard once more... Damn you, Shakespeare, and your large scale metaphors, too.
Is DST same as Spring Forward or Fall Back?
I'm confused.
Why do we need this anyway? I thought we were all going to be able to stop working, sleep in, paint pictures, write books and linger over our bug-based meals that taste just like real plant-based meat? What happened to that?
Quayle - exactly. (8:32)
DST is spring forward...I think.
With an AI here, and an AI there, oh the children have some fun. AI, AI, doh.
Daylight savings time is "Spring forward"
Often it conflicts with states who Do not "Spring forward"
Think about how much easier it would be -->
Standard time for all.
Kids going to school in the dark is why "its so bad".
No objections to "kids remaining in the dark" under educational system?
"Why do we need this anyway?"
As zoomers might say, it's so boomers can enjoy their early bird specials absent the threat of encroaching twilight...metaphorically speaking.
I agree it's going to be tough but I don't think we'll go back to daylight savings. I think people advocating for school start times moving to later in the morning will finally see some positive results.
Charles was trolling and wanted a response. Fish caught.
As has been mentioned, we tried this in the 1970s in what was intended to be a 3 year test. It was so loathed that it was repealed after the first winter. Doing something which we KNOW doesn't work reminds me of Einstein's famous comment on insanity. By objective standards, keeping ST makes the most sense from a health and safety standpoint. Of course, at 78, what do I know?
At least we didn't try this exercise, as did the USSR:
"The Soviet Union was the largest country on Earth, stretching about 6,000 miles from east to west. This distance covers 150 degrees of longitude. Usually, the world is divided into time zones every 15 degrees to keep clocks aligned with the sun. In 1919, the country correctly used 11 different time zones.
In 1930, the government implemented Decree Time. This plan merged the 11 zones into 3 massive blocks to simplify train schedules and factory shifts. They believed that having fewer time zones would help the government control the entire economy from Moscow. However, the sun does not move based on government rules.
In eastern cities like Vladivostok, the sun did not rise until 10:00 AM because the clocks were set to match cities far to the west. Workers had to start their jobs in total darkness. This disrupted the human circadian rhythm, which is the internal body clock that responds to light and dark. People felt tired and confused because their bodies thought it was night while their clocks said it was day."
This is one of those examples where news takes a point of view. If you like early sunrise you think your point of view must take precedence over people who like late day sun. Your passion plays are unpersuasive to the opponents…
The arugments against DST are so weak, you wonder how the bill was ever passed. As far as I can tell its "hey its too much trouble to change the clocks 2 times a year" and "If God had wanted DST he would've done it himself".
Oh, and "I liked getting up in the dark". That's pretty much it.
Kids going to school in the dark? And they will be forced to do so in the DARK because we don't have artificial lights. We only have candles.
won't the states who DO NOT use "Spring forward"/Daylight Savings Time - be pissed?
Those first 911 calls on neighbors for mowing their grass in the dark at 8am are gonna be lit on Police Activity's Youtube channel. I expect short video run times and copious taser usage with a high likelihood of officer involved shootings. Possibly a standoff or two.
As one who schedules appointments in states with different time traditions, I think time zones are hard enough. Differing seasonal times (I’m looking at you Alberta) can be frustrating.
As a kid the household lawn mower had headlights…
How many people really understand Daylight Savings Time and why we have it? It seems like our version of the mysterious rituals of tribal peoples. "Spring ahead, fall back." Circle of life. Reincarnation ritual. Vernal and autumnal equinox, more or less.
“How many people really understand Daylight Savings Time and why we have it”
…I’m guessing about the same number as those who understand offsides in the footie…
Peachy+2 said...Lets go full commie with time. Lets just abandon time altogether. It's a patriarchal colonialist construct.
10 hour days. 100 minutes per hour. 1,000 seconds per minute.
It's the scientific solution.
Start school later in the day.
> A child's name will be on the repeal legislation.
Kirk's Law: "Any law named after a victim, or whose title spells out a cutesy acronym, is certain to be a bad law."
The metric system is judgmental and exclusive of miles, feet, and inches. It steps on diverse toes. You know who else followed a strictly scientific standard? A conception of Diversity, Equivocation, and Infusion. Abort, sequester, and progress no further.... bigot.
Schools can just say, "Classes will be from 9 AM to 4 PM instead of 8 AM to 3 PM"... Duh... only a dumbshit would not realize they can just start an hour later... gad..
Tim Maguire -
Mamdamni will not be happy with that.
Math and Science are genocidal.
I find this controversy over the difficulty of resetting clocks twice a year and adjusting to it fascinating. Take a pill.
Yeah. We tried this once is the 70s and there a couple of high profile bus stop accidents. I don't think more children were involved than normal, but the press had afield day with it. It was quickly repealed.
True, the solution would be to delay school opening, but that would place a burden on parents who need to get to work for evil bosses who won't accommodate them.
Emigration reform was named for a child. A girl... feminine gender raped, aborted, no longer a viable conception. She was the catalyst and the law the solution. Out, out, damned Shakespeare.
Amadeus 48 said...
"Where I grew up in West Michigan, the sun will come up in December at about 9:00 am. In Marquette that will be 9:30 am. Intolerable."
Why? What are you doing at 7 AM? Detasseling corn?
When I was working I can't remember a winter where I got to work and it was light or went home in daylight.
The conflict is between those on the far ends of the time zones. At the eastern end of the time zone it gets dark too early, at the western end it gets light too late. There's no solution that will make everyone happy. It does seem easiest, as others have suggested, to shift the early morning hours later during the winter months.
The time changes are what make broken clocks correct from one to three times a day.
Trump should make an announcement
"Coming soon this fall, something so miraculous. Something big - so big. Like never before big.
When we all Fall back, we are all going to keep that hour forever. Forever is a really long time. You know that? Forever. Just think about that. I am announcing that After we all fall back, we will bank an hour of time forever. We will all be linked together in beautiful standard time. thank you for your attention to this matter. "
The few people left who might have the desire to get married and have children and happen to live in in California.
What about them?
That’s interesting, but have you noticed western Florida and eastern Oregon are in adjacent time zones?
Out of all the things government subjects us to, a one hour time shift twice a year ranks somewhere around the least of my worries.
You people complaining about school starting too early haven't had little kids in a long time. Most are naturally early risers.
Also having high school start earlier allows kids to have after school jobs. Not getting home from sports practice until 7 is not ideal.
"That thing you thought you wanted."
I, for one, absolutely do not want it.
"Children going to school in the dark. Dangerous." <--Think of the children!
I am very much for getting local clock noon to be as close as possible to local apparent noon and letting localities figure out what is best for them in terms of, say, school-hours timing. Northern parts of the country may have to choose between starting or ending in darkness around winter solstice (~21Dec), but that is just orbital dynamics doing its thing.
Why is it a FEDGOV concern for ensuring child safety as they walk to/from a local school, again? I can think of several local layers that are much better positioned to solve the problem: school district, town, city, county...maybe even state if the lower levels are completely incompetent.
I think if DST went back to pre W time of April through October, it would be the best compromise. It's not really that much of a change.
I am in complete agreement with Bushman.
ChatGPT says:
On the same winter morning in the Central Time Zone:
Sunrise in an eastern-edge city occurs around 6:30–6:45 AM CST.
Sunrise in a western-edge city occurs around 8:00–8:15 AM CST.
That yields a difference of roughly 90 minutes.
The difference in sunrise time is already more than an hour. And it'll "fix" things by moving the clocks ahead one hour?
I've seen analysis that indicates the proper solution is actually Standard Time all year. It is a better fit for all, but Civil Twilight would be very early on June 21.
"It's painfully obvious that few (if any) commenters have lived in real northern latitudes."
I have daylight-fished chum salmon in Barrow at 2am with a beer in my hand...it's an eerie sensation. Does that count?
The logical solution is that classes shouldn’t start ‘till around 10am. A system where 5 days a week kids have to get up at 6:15am and be on a bus at 7am for a class that starts at 8am is inherently unhealthy for those kids. Let them sleep in and start their days at a decent hour when the sun is up.
I agree with Birches--keep DST, but shorten it from lasting 8 months to about 5. There's no daylight to "save" if there is not more than 12 of it.
My second preference would be standard time all year and let localities figure out what work and school schedules seem best for them.
We lived 3 years in Fairbanks, somehow the kids survived going to school in the dark.
"Ask yourself why grade schoolers are going to school so early anyway."
You think teachers want to drive in the same traffic we do?
Are there not going to be time zones like we have now, where the time in NY is 8am and California is 5am? 3 hour difference due to the sun rising in that area earlier because of the rotation of the Earth? Now we are all going to be on the same time no matter where we are geographically??? Seriously...I'm confused.
Animals don't know what "time" it is....but they know when they want/expect to be fed, milked, etc. Our cats are going to more confused than we am and a lot angrier.
When Reflect Orbital gets their massive 50,000 mirrors into space, there isn't going to be any darkness anymore anyways.
Barrayar - Komarr
Back when I was a kid, it was dark when we went to school, and dark when we came home, and then we had to go work a swing shift in the mine, where it was uphill in all directions.
"Won't somebody think of the children!?!?!"
I can't wait for 9 Black Robe Wearers interpret what is this Statute -- definition of DAYLIGHT? When we've 7 different DAYS!
"…I’m guessing about the same number as those who understand offsides in the footie…"
I understand it just fine. If there's absolutely any chance that someone might score a goal, it's offsides.
It never ceases to amaze me how worked up people get about daylight savings time. Already 125 comments posted here, and it's still morning. More comments than on the death of Lindsey Graham. If only people were as concerned about the economy, inflation, and war.
No school before sunrise, no school after Noon. Noon is when the sun rises to its highest point for the day. No clocks needed.
I’m rather indifferent, but given the focus on schools, do we know where the teacher unions fall on this topic? Based on their past performance I’ll gladly take the other side.
Time changes have negative effect on health and job productivity.
Look it up - lonejustice.
Lonejustice- this is the topic.
If you don't like the topic - go back to Blue Sky - and whine and bitch and moan with your soviet peeps.
KIRK's Law: Keep Irreplaceable Routines for Kids
"Noon is when the sun rises to its highest point for the day."
This is how it should be at the center longitudes of each time zone. If you want more morning light, find someplace to live in the time zone east of that. If you want more evening light, live someplace to the west.
You can't get any more fair than that.
Start earlier or stay later, whatever, our children are not being educated competently and have a great deal of catching up to do. And a focus by teachers on STEM and useful trades, in lieu of the insanity of DEI and the lowest common denominator.
Economy is great. Inflation dropped. The war in Russia and Iran is going badly for both, as well the Cold War in Cuba. What does that have to do with semiannual time changes?
Just switch back to Local Apparent Noon (LAN) time. That way the sun will really be right overhead at noon where you are at. We have smart phones with GPS so they can adjust the time as you move east or west. And apps can be developed to help you depart your longitude in time to reach the longitude of your destination at the agreed upon time.
We only have Standard Time because, well, Long Island is long and had one of the first commuter railways. And we have Zone Time because they realized that imposing GMT world wide would anger people when noon GMT in New York would come at what is now around 8 est and 9 dst.
Why not just move the Prime Meridian back to Paris
Won't directly affect me either way. I go by the sun since I retired.
Back when I handled issues in ROW (rest of world, i.e. outside of CONUS) we all went by ZULU / GMT anyway. Looking at you, India.
Without bothering to look if other's have said it- opening and closing times can be adjusted. For schools and businesses.
Time zones are manmade- and arbitrary. We could all go on Zulu time, and simply adjust our scheduled to what's best for us. Don't have to keep track of times zones when traveling.
Local noon changes daily. Sun straight overhead? It's noon. A few miles east or west away makes a difference. Why railroad time became standard time in a city. You'd miss your train, or constantly arrive too early setting your watch to local noon.
Worried about children? Change school start time very two weeks so the first school bus pickup is 10 minutes past sunrise. And adjust accordingly. Would it be a total PIA for parents? Yeah. Less so for families with a full time housewife and mother. Or non traditional househusband and father. I'm retired now. I don't much care. Makes no difference to my complete lack of scheduling. When I worked- it was mostly shift work. And time changes were a royal PIA. Especially since different employers handled it differently. With a 9 hour shift- workers got their 1 hour OT. Going the other way? Some employers (the good ones) you got 8 hours pay for that 7 hour shift. Other's forced you to use 1 hour of vacation time.
Never mind what works best for schoolchildren. Find out what the teachers union wants.
"Ask yourself why grade schoolers are going to school so early anyway."
Because parents need to be at work by 8:00
Congress is just like one of my old OEM clients. Given any choice, they reliably make the wrong one. Also, they don't learn from experience.
Now we're finally bearing the full brunt of Greenwich Mean Time. Anyone with a heart would make their stand here and advocate for Greenwich Compassionate Time.
“ Lunar time is the way to go.”
Lunacy!
Earnest Prole said...
"That’s interesting, but have you noticed western Florida and eastern Oregon are in adjacent time zones?
You sure about that?
Sleep is overrated. I propose universal DJT time.
I'm seeing more flip-flops on this than an Olympic floor routine.
4-hour work days. School’s out for ever. Problem solved.
We had to pay for before school.care for my youngest during Kindergarten to 2nd grade as school started 830 and my wife and I worked at 8 (and commuted). Couldn't drop them off early and bus stop time was after 8.
Yeah, let's just start schools later. I am sure there will be no effect on working families.
As someone who divides my time between Ireland and Arizona, I would like to have a consistent adjustment when I’m figuring out what time it is in the other place. Changing the clock seems silly to me, it also very trivial. This is what our representatives in congress choose to concern themselves with because it is so meaningless. The passionate opinions it inspires amaze me.
When I was in elementary school in the early 1970s, I hated having got to school so early and longed for when I got in high school like my brother with its 9am start time. But then when I entered high school in 1976, the bastards flipped it. Now high schools would be the first to start at 0730 as it was dangerous for the little kids to be standing on the side of the road waiting for the bus in the dark. Obviously, the flip was because more middle class mothers who had kids in the late 1960s needed to be at their girl boss jobs. No one had cared when it was poor working class women having to organize their kids.
But the joke was on them. An early start meant an early release so 14-18 yr olds had 3 to 4 hours alone in neighborhoods with lots of empty bedrooms. Then it was all the whining about teenage pregnancy.
Just confirms what a Gen Xer opined in 1993, that the Baby Boomers had grown up to make everything they did illegal for their kids. He was off, as most people are, it may have been some early Boomers, but the worst were the Woodstock generation, those mid-20s and above in 1969, the late Silent Generation. They protested for themselves, but the Berkley Free Speech Movement turned out to only be for free speech for them, not others.
I like the change since all the whining about the time change will displace some of the whining about Donald Trump at client dinners…
Suck it up. It will teach your better rested children how to deal with adversity…
Joe Bar - # - yes indeed.
Shorten the school day and increase the rate of instruction.
I prefer standard time ... otherwise my sundial is off by an hour!! Lock in on standard time, and get rid of the forced jet lag we endure twice a year.
On the interwebs I saw someone ask that if we go to permanent daylight saving time, where does that stolen hour go? Will we ever get that hour back?!
US House of representatives - brain drain revealed.
This is a terrible idea.
"As someone who divides my time between Ireland and Arizona, I would like to have a consistent adjustment when I’m figuring out what time it is in the other place."
I've run into that with our regular trips to eastern Australia and New Zealand. All three countries (US, AU, NZ) are in different time zones, of course, and all three practice their own daylight savings time. Then there's that International Date Line thingie. Keeps me on my toes. Of course, I can always cheat and just look at my iPad's clock app.
A semester phase shift would avoid our darkest hours. A legacy that will forever remain an equivocal and inclusive part of hour (sic) Diversitist his-tory.
That map has an error in it. It shows all of Michigan's UP as being in the Eastern Time Zone. The 4 western counties are actually in the Central Time Zone.
There are four trimesters in an academic year. The burden is one of seasonal conception with warm populist favors.
“Lunar time is the way to go.”
With each lunatic of teh clock!
I didn't want it. I wanted standard time all the time.
“ The 4 western counties are actually in the Central Time Zone.”
Here be the hardcore Yoopers.
Yeah lets change school times and a whole bunch of other stuff so we don't have to go through that incredible, time-consuming task of changing the clocks 1 hour - two days out of 365.
Brilliant. Im beginning to think that getting rid of DST is something for cranks and loonies.
We can convince RCO to end DST by stating that it is a Jewish conspiracy to make money.
"I propose universal DJT time."
The Philippines have "Juan" time and we're about to have "Don" time.
My HS started at 8 in the late 70s early 80s. It had to start early because you needed time in the afternoon after school for kids to have Football or whatever practice.
Yes, it did leave HS students 2-3 hours to do things in empty houses. But that was assuming your mother worked, which many did not. And everyone back then was "Free Range" anyway. Our parents were incredibly incurious about what we did with other kids.
Which is why many us turned into "helicopter parents".
Myself or my wife drove my kid to school until she was old enough to drive herself. I cant think of a single parent who did that when i was growing up. You were expected to take the bus, walk or bike. Even if your mother was a housewife.
Michigan should just give those 4 counties to us.
Why keep daylight savings all year? I don't think that's what most of America wanted... we wanted No Daylight Savings Time. Just go back to normal and leave it alone.
I don't want it. No need for Daylight Savings Time at all anymore. IF we want to keep to one time all year, keep it at Standard Time. No reason to move the clock up.
Regarding the UP of Michigan, yes, Michigan should give that back to Wisconsin. It's a better fit. But then Ohio would have to give the greater Toledo area back to Michigan.
On second thought...leave things as they are.
Getting one unexpected extra hour of sleep one night a year makes it worthwhile. And I get to use my math skills when I see a clock I was too lazy to change.
You know, school districts can change their hours.
They cannot find the time to work on the national debt, or secure our elections through passage of the Save America Act, but no surprise, our Congress found the time to work on...extending Daylight Savings Time.
They suck. They continue to suck and suck at such a level now that it does not matter a whit what we think is happening or what we want to happen. They don't hear us, or care to hear from us. They are in their own world, doing their own thing, and my God...we are just here to make sure the money supply keeps coming in.
I feel so used.
Temujin -
Indeed!
I walked to the bus stop in the dark for years. Kids do it now. That a decision like this takes more than a half hour to settle, based upon what should be a simple cost/benefit analysis by, say, the NIST folk who tell us the time, indicates the breakdown of the political system beyond repair.
RC Cola- Go with "Another Israeli conspiracy" - and you'll be just fine.
xkcd (Munroe) suggested that local times be set by daily internet polling. Each morning people tell the net when they feel like it's 9:00 AM. Clocks are set according to some average of the votes.
JK Brown asks "why not move the Prime Meridian back to Paris'
When I first started curating old maps, something seemed off about the pre-French Revolution French ones. Then I realized that their PM was Paris, not Greenwich.
I suppose (maybe I'll look it up later) that they recognized Greenwich sometime after Waterloo . . .
MadTownGuy mentions the Soviet experiment which I did not know about. During WWII the German Reich was on Double Summer Time IIRC.
As for ST vs DST, just choose one. I'll adjust.
The original idea was to make it lighter when kids were walking to school. No one lets their kids walk anymore do they? At least not the little ones. I still see teens walking to middle school. The little guys are with parents. The other idea was so farmers had more daylight to work with. That won't change so IDK maybe it won't make much difference.
I have always had the radical idea of splitting the difference and moving the time ahead 30 minutes for DST and leaving it at that. Time of day is a made up thing so what difference does it make if we call it 7 am or 7:30. There's absolutely no logical reasosn I can think of for having it be moved ahead or backward only by even numbers.
Why I risked my life walkin' to school every morning in the dark. Why them youngin's should do the same.
They don't know what they're missin'
You know who's in favor of getting rid of DST and Kids getting killed in the dark?
Israel first. LOL.
I like DST because I like it to be light in the evening. But that is just me. On the schools issue: send kids to school year round with a shorter school day. Screw with the teachers who think they deserve summers off. There is no reason for those buildings to be empty for at least 8 weeks in the summer. Schools up north might want to learn about AC.
"RideSpaceMountain said...
"It's painfully obvious that few (if any) commenters have lived in real northern latitudes."
I have daylight-fished chum salmon in Barrow at 2am with a beer in my hand...it's an eerie sensation. Does that count?
7/15/26, 10:26 AM</i?"
All very interesting but it doesn't affect the vast majority of us who live in the lower 48.
Actually they're not. Its just that Israel-first cant stand any discussion that doesnt mention their favorite subject - israel.
Maybe because they're gettin' paid. Or they're lunatics.
We could all switch to CP time and always be 15 minutes late.
So some israeli firster had to use italics to spam up the thread. LOL.
stop it
"They cannot find the time to work on the national debt, or secure our elections through passage of the Save America Act, but no surprise, our Congress found the time to work on...extending Daylight Savings Time."
This is *why* they do shit like this. They think it's uncontroversial and it looks like they're doing something. They do suck.
”Great for Althouse…”
How is it great for me? Makes absolutely no difference to me. I don’t go by the clock. I go by the sunrise.
Ok its great for the people who dont want to wait for the sunrise AND get up very early. Which isn't Althouse.
I was thinking that without DST sunrise in the Summer would be much earlier, which is the flip side of Sunrise coming much later in the Winter. But now that I reconsider, that isn't really true.
It is always dark all the time in the winter. You might have a few moments of sun after school this way.
DSTI sucks for stargazers, because unlike ignoring the clock when you get up, it's harder to ignore the clock at the end of the day. Waiting for it to get dark in summer is a long wait. Dusk-end tonight in northern Wisconsin is 11:10pm. It's 11:35pm on the Solstice.
DSTI = DST
“ Time of day is a made up thing”
That’s true. Rage against the machine, people! Time is nothing but a social construct.
My dog wakes me up. I don't know what she uses, probably her stomach. Pretty dependable, and self winding.
“ Michigan should just give those 4 counties to us.”
Give? Fuck that — we should just take them!
Meade said...
“ Time of day is a made up thing”
"That’s true. Rage against the machine, people! Time is nothing but a social construct."
Worse than that, time is imposed on us by white supremist colonizers who want the world to bend to their will. CP time!
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