This will be such a nightmare. pic.twitter.com/qrD03wxEdl
— Julian Mille☈ (@ATLAreaWx) July 14, 2026
ADDED: It’s important to note that morning light does not begin at sunrise. It’s already getting light an hour before sunrise, and half an hour before sunrise you’re free of the sense that you’re going out into the night. Using the sunrise as the time that matters is alarmist.
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«সবচেয়ে পুরাতন ‹পুরাতন 283 এর 201 – থেকে 283Give me Ironwood, or give me death!
“ Now we're finally bearing the full brunt of Greenwich Mean Time. Anyone with a heart would make their stand here and advocate for Greenwich Compassionate Time.”
Greenwich Meade Time.
"Time is nothing but a social construct."
The predominant view in physics is that the flow of time is an illusion.
I don't buy it.
Instead of tinkering with school hours to ensure kids don't go to school in the dark, perhaps consider shifting the entire school calendar to a March - November school year. Keep the kids safely at home during the 'dark months' of December - February.
"Greenwich Meade Time."
I deal with GMT a lot. It's the usual time given in astronomical tables. Now that's going to be stuck in my head.
Would it be too much to ask that local school districts set the time when school begins appropriately according to when the sun rises in their local areas? Do we need Congress to tell everyone that conditions are not the same everywhere? If the kids are going to school in the dark--start school later. (Employers can also adjust. Not rocket surgery. )
Let's Call it Trump Time and permanentize his name!
Wa St Blogger,
Now *that* is funny!
Give me Ironwood, or give me death!“
And once we take Ironwood, we’ll keep going until the entire U. P. belongs to us. We’ll own Calumet, Houghton, Ishpeming, Marquette, and Munising. Tom Izzo repatriate to Greater Wisconsin and we’ll never lose another hockey or basketball game. Make Lake Superior Great Again!
Greater Wisconsin.
Has a ring to it.
The same blood alcohol runs through the veins of every Yooper as it does every Wisconsinite. We are One People!
Suggestion: rather than vary the time on the clock, vary the time that schools start. vary the time everything starts so that the clocks stay the same similar in functionality as having a volume knob that goes to 11.
A Stanford study has discovered that by modeling light exposure, circadian impacts and health characteristics county by county, the researchers estimate that permanent standard time would result in some 300,000 fewer people having suffered from a stroke and result in 2.6 million fewer people having obesity.
“Of course, at 78, what do I know?”
You could learn that Einstein never said it.
On Winsconsin. Forward to victory
Of course Daylight Savings Time is unnecessary. All that's needed is for (e.g.) California to permanently go on (e.g.) Mountain Standard Time!
Love the name, by the way, Tregonsee. (Another E. E. Smith fan…)
Anyone who has ever played in an after work golf league is a yuge proponent of daylight savings time.
🎶 From the Lake of Copper Harbor
To the Driftless of Darlington
Across moraines of Wausau
To the loons in Ol’ Madtown
From the River of La Crosse
To the shores of Whitfish Bay…🎶
The obvious choice is to simply change the clocks by 30 minutes at the next time change and leave it alone permanently. The complaints about kids going to school in the dark are obvious nonsense, since some already do. As is the notion you just change school starting times in response. The havoc that wrecks on family schedules is far too great.
Where there's pride in every Badger Yooper heart
And it's Central Time we stand and say
Oh, that I'm proud to be a Wisconsinite
Where at least I know
I'm free
Stanford researchers obviously decided that this life-change is far cheaper than Eli Lilly's latest weight-loss drug which brings on fraility.
*A child's name will be on the repeal legislation.*
When I worked in the Legislature, these types of bills - without fail - were easily the stupidest, most manipulative pieces of legislation ever crafted.
If your idea can't pass muster without attaching some emotional sentiment to it, maybe your idea sucks.
And do notice they focus on the winter sunrises. What about those winter sunsets at 4:15? Kids COMING HOME in the dark.
Why aren't they bitching about that?
It seems you can't talk about time without the subject of space coming up sooner or later and, of course, you can't talk about space for without pretty soon finding yourself talking about William Shatner.
While we're on the subject, did you know that back in the 70's William Shatner started his own women's lingerie company?
Yeah. But no, it didn't do well and soon closed shop.
Shatner Panties never really caught on.
*I've been saying this for years and no one will listen.
Daylight Savings Time SUX.*
And you've said it multiple times on this thread. We get it already.
Thing is, it isn't just about YOU. Some of us despise sunsets at 4 pm in the winter.
Standard Time SUX!
See how persuasive that is? /rolls eyes
Catch22: the people who know how to use italics properly don’t use them because they also know how to read and follow instructions. The others . . .
"How is it great for me? Makes absolutely no difference to me. I don’t go by the clock. I go by the sunrise." Just as Government needs to get out of the marriage business, Government shouldn't be involved with how people set their watches. The paranoia about children and pitch black (1974) mornings is hysterical. Alaska is in total darkness for 6 months and they seem to have survived.
"Government shouldn't be involved with how people set their watches."
Watches are pretty useless if there's not an agreed upon standard.
Dynamic Standard Time (DST) with synchronization and reporting where required. Different strokes for different folks.
Just start school an hour later
Special relativity teaches us we all have our own time, anyway.
"Time is like a river, you cannot touch the same water twice."
Greek philosopher Heraclitus.
AI at KWh rates for subsidized tickets, at MWh rates for geriatric intelligence, at GWh rates for large scale machinations. TWh rates for Pinkies and Brains who want to take over the world. When the sun shines, the wind blows within range for New Green Dealers. That said, demos-cracy dies in darkness.
Digital Marxism: in proportion to those who produce redistributed from those who consume.
I believe the UP should have autonomy and become the 51st state, either North Wisconsin or Yooperland
"That’s interesting, but have you noticed western Florida and eastern Oregon are in adjacent time zones?"
"You sure about that?"
Western Florida is in Central, eastern Oregon is in Mountain. Central and Mountain are adjacent.
On a cold cloudy morning in late December, it'll be dark well past 9.
The Last Time
Time is on my Side
Love me Two Times 😁
Time Waits for No One
Time Has Come Today
Isn’t it Time?
Time of the Season
Time in a Bottle
The inclusion of Morlocks and Elui in nocturnal and diurnal Diversity is an equitable and therapeutic solution. We could also consider agentic producers and consumers in lieu of teachers and children, respectively, in a transition to Dynamic Standard Time.
And Eddie Murphy’s “my girl wants to potty all the time, potty all the time, potty all the time…”
This is another bad idea from the 1970s
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/what-happened-the-last-time-the-us-tried-to-make-daylight-saving-time-permanent-180979742/
Time After Time — Chet Baker
https://open.spotify.com/track/4m6OC8u2rC6LMFtFWsME7d?si=SaKLxkc8TvSYX-8FcXlQ-w&utm_source=copy-link
Time After Time — Willy Nelson https://open.spotify.com/track/6HlBV0QpljRoOhxRWAF1BX?si=wDNSIGhhS2-yvvLwyG3uyw&utm_source=copy-link
Over 220 comments in a few hours. Impressive.
And of course Cyndi Lauper’s original:
https://open.spotify.com/track/7o9uu2GDtVDr9nsR7ZRN73?si=bOgI_Eu3TcK96VLbY8hlGQ&utm_source=copy-link
Ain't it Funny How Time Slips Away
OK. We are now up to 246 comments on Daylight Savings Time, which I believe is more than all of the comments about the attempted assassination of Donald Trump. It's all a matter of priorities, don't you know.
Time is illusion. Lunchtime doubly so.
If time is money, is money time?
First of all, how many kids actually stand around on the bus stop in the bitter winter weather? Isn't this more a "it will be dark in the drop-off line of 250+ SUVs"?
Second, if the poor frozen darkness-blinded kids are really a problem... move the start time of the school day by an hour in December and January, you freakin' morons!
Time - The Alan Parsons Project
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhRzORqNa0E
"It's all a matter of priorities, don't you know."
Nobody is surprised that Democrats want to kill their opponents. And normal people realize that nothing they say about it will stop them from trying.
Most of the Time — Sophie Zelmani
https://youtu.be/Ts6gZFEiMkM?is=AlWMkQ2z1Ml3v3t2
"Nobody is surprised that Democrats want to kill their opponents. And normal people realize that nothing they say about it will stop them from trying."
Yeah.
No… there’s Pink Floyd’s “Money”
and Pink Floyd’s “Time”
The Butler assassination attempt thread had 469 comments.
Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together… mass hysteria!
"The Butler assassination attempt thread had 469 comments."
Don't confuse the man with facts.
I also bet the ratio of serious vs joke comments between the two thread is radically different.
the Simple (and modest) proposal to fix this is ALREADY availible
Zulu (gmt) time.. that is: Coordinated Universal Time
just have the world admit, that it is ALREADY on one time..
quit pretending!
your computers are ALREADY using it..
your computers are getting TIRED of stupid humans
and their stupid time changes
STOP PISSING OFF YOUR COMPUTERS! or ELSE
According to the most detailed recent national data (2017 National Household Travel Survey or NHTS), for U.S. children ages 5–17 (covering kindergarten through high school, with similar patterns for K–8):
Private vehicle (mostly parent drop-off): ~54%
School bus: ~33%
Walk or bike: ~10–11% (walking is the large majority of this category; biking is a small share)
Transit/other: ~2%
The real tragedy is not that more children will go to school in the dark; it's that after 12 years of public school and four or more years in college or university so many of them are still in the dark.
And half of you folks would gripe if the government voted to give you an extra hour per day.
Daylight Saving Time is like narrowing Atlantic Ocean by 15 ° latitude. Given the way Europe is headed better to not narrow distance rather widen it.
"And half of you folks would gripe if the government voted to give you an extra hour per day."
Sure I would. Where's it coming from? I'm sure I'm paying for this somehow.
" I'm sure I'm paying for this somehow."
Yes, you're paying for it, but you won't get it. It'll go to illegal aliens.
Whatever we decide, just make sure that Arizona does the opposite. Maybe Indiana, Michigan's Upper Peninsula, and Florida's Panhandle too, just for the heck of it.
FWIW, Hawaii doesn't have DST. It's closer to the Equator, so seasonal variations in day length and dawn and dusk times are less.
How do Northern Neighbor handle this horological problem
“My dog wakes me up. I don't know what she uses, probably her stomach. Pretty dependable, and self winding.“
Ditto, times 2. And always well before dawn no matter the time of year. I need to turn backyard lights on when I let them out.
We moved from MA to NC 4 years ago. I was surprised at how late the sunrise was in NC relative to MA. The US map clued me in.
Meade,
This live version of Time After Time beats the studio release:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JPE1lr1pcUc&pp=iggUQAFKEEg0MldaRWxjU3ctTk1rNmE%3D
I live an hour west of the Eastern zone in Tennessee. Doesn't matter much to us. I never understood why Eastern time didn't run down the Mississippi.
Meade @ 2:57
Just say, "I like pasties!" and leave it at that.
Think of it as an upscale Vermont.
New name. Peninsulicious
Children already die going to and from school every year. All this hurry in frantic early morning traffic with half-awake drivers, and for what? They could stay home and crack open a book, if they were so inclined
Kirk Parker,
I agree. Excellent. Lovely ensemble with touches of fiddle and dulcimer. Thanks.
Rusty,
LOL
“… this horological problem”
Big Tobacco, Big Food, Big Chem, Big Pharma. And now we have to confront Big Time — the relentless tick tick ticking of those slippery crafty nefarious WATCHMAKERS!
Children going to school in the dark, dogs and cats living together—mass hysteria!
ain't broke
"The US tried permanent Daylight Saving Time in the 70's to supposedly conserve energy in the oil crisis. People hated it and it ended."
Knowing what we now know about "astroturfing" I question both the authenticity of the public sentiment re DS repeal and the reportage re school kid death.
And wasn't that hack Zoe Lifgren moaning about school starting too early when she was pushing legislation to change it? What happened to our resolve are that "reform?" It was backed by "The Science," from what I remember. Who failed to listen to the science back then? Who lobbied against that elegant solution? When will USAID-like NGOs pour money into renewed efforts to start school later so that they can funnel billions into childcare so that Mom and Dad can keep their regular schedule and avoid a Standard Time Latchkey Crisis?
It affects Easterners in the opposite way, viz children. Is there any evidence that states -- I can only think of Arizona -- that refused to comply suffered negative effects?
Isn't it better to arrest or ticket idiots who ignore schoolchildren, joggers, and school zones? Good lord, take some damn personal responsibility. That also goes for parents. Flourescent duck tape to put on your child's coat is cheap. So many kids I dealt with in child services had parents who couldn't tell you where their five-year-old was at any time: the schools took extra precautions. I've watched bus drivers carry still-sleeping children out of crack houses. Maybe they didn't teach much, but their staff were great babysitters. I used to go running in Florida at midnight: I was young, and all the sprinklers were on. The bay glowed flourescent; dolphins jumped; the Barnum mansion in Sarasota glowed with pink marble, and we climbed the Banyon trees. My roomate and I would jump the frighteningly short fence into Jungle Gardens, our neighbor. The flamingos would be asleep on one leg; the alligators loved lettuce we fed them; the panthers and lions would hiss at us, disturbing their sleep. It was magical. Nice to be young and dumb.
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