That's Trump, at Truth Social, 3 hours ago.
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"I have just been informed by our Great Military that last night the Iranians shot down one of our highly sophisticated Apache Helicopters while patrolling over the Strait of Hormuz."
"There were two pilots involved, both are safe and uninjured. Nevertheless, the United States must, of necessity, respond to this attack. Thank you for your attention to this matter! President DONALD J. TRUMP"
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Too bad. But it'd be better if we weren't "flying helicopters" over the straits of hormuz. Go look at a map, the international waters are very narrow, and right next to it is Iran. I wonder if we were in Iranian territory.
As long as it isn’t proportional.
Another day of David Begley's prediction being incorrect.
He needs call the Iranians cowards, pull his sidearm, and smack'em around a little. Trump owns a USP45, which can double as a brick. Donnie get yer gun!
The two crew members were rescued by a surface sea drone. Quite cool!
Note that RCOcean and Mark are on the side of Iran here, plain and simple. They are cheering for them to maim and kill as many US and Israeli people as possible.
Daily Mail reports/claims that Trump has said 37 times that a peace deal is "just days away."
Trump is getting played.
The US needs to use force of arms and end this.
We don't have the stomach to kill tens of thousands of Iranian kids and babies, so we should just move on.
For some of our commenters the deaths of US and Israelis are only collateral damage in the greater project of making Trump look bad. As many as it takes.
Trump is getting played.
Au contraire. We are winning! Trump is just playing 19 dimensional chess. He keeps finding new dimensions in chess! I'm sick of winning! How about you!?
Maybe Trump doesn’t want a deal. Maybe he’s happy to cut off the mullahs money and wait. He just talks about a deal being imminent to keep the markets happy. A real deal maker knows some deals can’t be made until circumstances change and your opponent is broke.
I wonder if Mark and Ocean and DDD and the rest of the left will be here later to scream racist about any response to the black Muslim who tried to decapitate a Irish man (kid) earlier today or yesterday. As the British goverment is saying, the real problem is people getting upset by it, not the actual attack....
Why would we target civilians
And so it goes.
(I had to type something in order to follow thread in email.)
Kaboom goes Iran... here and there Mullahs go kaboom.
Go to Mojtaba's London penthouse, confiscate the Iranian National Nude Baseball Card Collection and sell it on E-bay.
Haven't the IRGC not been paid for about a month? How are the top IRGC able to stay in power?
Isn't inflation in Iran out of control? Isn't unemployment sky high?
We need to finish the IRGC off. No more talks.
Land troops at the nuke site and take it.
And if the CIA can smuggle weapons into the Iranian opposition, then the CIA is worthless.
"just days away."
More like two weeks.
Slow the dread.
Flatten our nerves.
Karmelo Anthony found guilty!
Vance, I said none of what you assert.
Incorrectly calling people traitors is about as far as one can get from being patriotic.
Assume Iran gets a nuclear bomb. Won't that only mean that like North Korea they won't have to worry about an attack from outside? First use would certainly be suicide for the entire country. Say what you want about their leadership but they aren't idiots. The past few months prove that.
Regardless. I believe we should do what we can within reason to prevent them from developing a bomb. A ground invasion as Dave B. advocates is not within reason. The country has 90 million people.
How many US troops would die in the effort Dave? How many dead US troops are acceptable to you Dave? 5,000? 50,000? 200,000?
Incorrectly calling people traitors is about as far as one can get from being patriotic.
Cheering for our enemies in order to make Trump look bad ain't very patriotic either. Traitor.
NO progress on Ukraine … and now this. NOT a happy camper. Do something, dammit.
You are correct that in that specific comment you did not openly cheer Iran shooting down our military.
It's all of the other comments where you cheer every "failure" of Trump no matter how many US or Israeli or white people's lives.
Maybe Trump doesn’t want a deal. Maybe he’s happy to cut off the mullahs money and wait. He just talks about a deal being imminent to keep the markets happy. A real deal maker knows some deals can’t be made until circumstances change and your opponent is broke.
That's what I think. Meanwhile the Israelis clean out Hezbollah, the Chicoms are getting squeezed, Lloyds of London dies on the vine, and the world buys oil from Uncle Sam.
The alternatives are to bomb Iran, kill civilians, etc. Which benefits no one; or to cave, which benefits Democrats and the mullahs.
Mark
"But you said!!!" What are you 12? Didn't get that baseball glove for christmas?
OK. Dave made a mistake in predicting the outcome of the war. He has admitted it. Be a man and find something else to nitpick over.
Keep in mind, unlike Putin in Ukraine, Trump doesn't want to level every town in Iran. He wants a country left that can climb out of the Islamic hole the mullahs have dug for it.
Putin is on his last legs. The walls are closing in - just some $$ for Ukraine - and Zelensky will signing victory terms in Moscow.
Iran is collapsing. All their leaders are dead. The people are eating grass. Just a few more months of war and we'll be signing victory terms in Tehran.
North Korea might use their nuclear bombs as a "deterrent" against invasion but it doesn't have a "death cult" running their country. There is no reason to worry they might be suicidal.
The IRGC’s founding idea is that society should be governed under an Islamic revolutionary framework led ultimately by religious authority (during the occultation of the 12th Imam). If the Islamic Republic is not just a state but a sacred political order, defending it becomes a religious duty.
Under the doctrine of Velayat-e Faqih, the Islamic Republic is not viewed as merely one government among many, they represent something much bigger. The idea is:
God established guidance through the Imams.
The 12th Imam is absent. But will return.
Legitimate Islamic authority (the IRGC) must preserve society until his return.
If that system is attacked, defenders can frame resistance as protecting something religiously important, not just politically useful. The Shi’a historical narrative emphasizes resistance to oppression. That's represented by Israel and the US.
A central event in Shi’a identity is Battle of Karbala, where Husayn ibn Ali was killed after opposing what Shi’a tradition views as illegitimate rule. That event is enormously influential.
A recurring lesson drawn in revolutionary Iranian thought is:
standing against injustice can require sacrifice.
The IRGC and revolutionary rhetoric often invoke Karbala symbolically. “If preserving Islamic governance and resisting oppression are religious obligations, force can become morally permissible in their defense.” (chatgpt)
Indeed, the sacrifice of their own lives is justified if not required.
I see the light at the end of the tunnel. Once we get over this Tet offensive, victory is right around the corner. The walls are closing in on the North Vietnamese.
I just hope the chicoms try to take Taiwan. We'll show em whose boss! Their whole economy is a paper tiger. The walls are closing in on Xi.
Just resume the assassinations already.
Thank God we supported Israel in the sneak attack on Iraq, we saved the world from a closure of the Hormuz Strait. Think of the impact on Oil prices and fertilizer. Also, they were going to CONQUER THE WORLD.
Another contest for stupid
Xi purges many of the taiwan hawks in the last coup
Thank you rosalyn c
The irgc has become as much the profir center of the re
I wouldn't trust scum who want to kill women and kids in gaza, Iran or anywhere else. Think of doing business in real life with someone that amoral. Goddamn, you'd have to count your fingers after shaking their hand, and watch your back.
Imagine what they'd do to you if they get make a five cents off it. No honor and no morals.
https://www.meforum.org/mef-online/why-iran-is-escalating-against-israel-to-protect-its-resistance-axis
Estas mirando en el spejo (you are looking in the mirror)
"NO progress on Ukraine"
No one really cares about what happens in Ukraine. It is apparently not in anyone's interests outside of Russia and Ukraine.
Bonus: It pisses off RC Cola.
Rosalyn C: Good work.
Regards,
Lori (reader_iam)
Nico ajo said...
Maybe Trump doesn’t want a deal. Maybe he’s happy to cut off the mullahs money and wait. He just talks about a deal being imminent to keep the markets happy. A real deal maker knows some deals can’t be made until circumstances change and your opponent is broke.
Holy crap. Someone who can think.
But the fun part get to when you figure out who Trump is bankrupting. Hint is the Iranian regime are all dead. They haven't been in charge for months. Trump isn't keeping the war going to bankrupt the Mullahs. They are are already dead.
Trump is bankrupting Europe.
China already surrendered that is why we are escorting their ships. As long as China buys Oil with dollars they get to do what they want and Trump is keeping the China from devolving into 15 warring kingdoms.
Right now he is putting Europe in their place. Starmer and Merz and Macron and the Socialists in Spain will be brought to heel.
RCOCEAN II said...
I just hope the chicoms try to take Taiwan. We'll show em whose boss! Their whole economy is a paper tiger. The walls are closing in on Xi.
Your IQ loses 50 points whenever the JOOOOOOSS are involved.
About 100
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I note that RCOcean said he doesn't trust scum who kill women in Gaza or Iran..... but he means Israel and the Jews, not Muslims who kill kids and women. That is juuuust peachy! Especially if they are Jewish women and kids. See Oct 7 which I have never seen Ocean criticize or blame Gaza for.
It looks as if Trump dressing down Netanyahu was all for show.
It’s amusing that neither Iran, nor the US, has ratified the treaty that makes the Strait international waters, so per both sides, the helicopter was in Iranian airspace.
Bibi called his bitch and told him to queer the deal, and Trump did, because he can’t say no to the country that transferred F-16 technology to China, where it now incorporated into China’s J-10 fighter. That’s just one example of Israel selling out the US, BTW.
Right now, apparently, Belfast and a couple of other places in Ireland are burning after some of our leftists favoirte people: muslim immigrants, attacked a white person, carved his eyes out, and then tried to behead him. Immediately the authorities sprang into action, accusing all the white people of being bigots for not wanting to, you know, be attacked by dear Islamic people like RCOcean and Howards favorite people.
RCOCEAN II said...
I wouldn't trust scum who want to kill women and kids in gaza, Iran or anywhere else. Think of doing business in real life with someone that amoral. Goddamn, you'd have to count your fingers after shaking their hand, and watch your back.
Imagine what they'd do to you if they get make a five cents off it. No honor and no morals.
Hamas are animals. The extent that they are allowed to exist in Gaza in any way shape or form makes everyone in Gaza part of the problem.
The problem for people like you is that Israel is second or third on number of Palestinians killed. Egypt is right there with Israel on the scoreboard for palestinians killed and Jordan has killed an order of magnitude more Palestinians than Israel has.
This is because the PLO/Palestinians adopted anarcho-socialist philosophy and they steal and murder and rape wherever they go. Everyone in the region hates them. The only real source of support for Palestine are the globalist billionaires and people who turn into retards whenever the JOOOOOOSSSS are mentioned.
If it was anything other than hating the Joooooosss you would condemn Jordan 10 times as much as Israel.
Howard said...
It looks as if Trump dressing down Netanyahu was all for show.
Of course it was. Duh.
I don't trust the scum that is Jew hatred for child rearing a-holes of islamic supremacist gaza.
Achilles: have you ever seen a single leftist utter a word of disdain or criticism of Egypt or Jordan? I haven't... maaaaybe Egypt for not killing Coptic Christians fast enough. And for not attacking israel along with the left's favorite people Hamas and Hezbollah.
D.D. Driver said...
Trump is getting played.
Au contraire. We are winning! Trump is just playing 19 dimensional chess. He keeps finding new dimensions in chess! I'm sick of winning! How about you!?
Of course we are winning. Manufacturing investment and job openings had a 9 sigma beat of "expectations" last month.
Only retards can't figure out why people want to make things in the US again.
It is as if Trump had a plan to make it so the US made things again amrite?
You people really are just surface level fuckwits.
Aaaaand RCOcean goes full Ethel Merman.
Some people are just not learing
He'll never get over macho grande
"They are cheering for them to maim and kill as many US and Israeli people as possible."
There's no way to get that out of what I wrote. But we all got opinions, man.
That’s weird, we’re hitting a bunch of stuff that was supposed to be 100% destroyed.
We're not in Trump II but rather in the third term of Bush II, a place American voters did not want to go. This is like more like the Iraq Surge except this time there is no light at the end of the tunnel, just endless conflict.
Both Netanyahu's reality and Trump's reality are failing at the same time. Heightened global instability that destabilizes global growth will be a long-lasting outcome. That's a pretty big global failure for what should be a much more localized regional failure. The negative consequences of the Iran war far exceed those of Afghanistan and Iraq. Netanyahu destroyed the two-state solution, possibly for all time, while Trump has probably severed for all time a regional peace based on an expanded Abraham Accord. The Gaza peace project is a house of cards out of a very bad TV series, and increasingly perceived pathetic chapter in another never-ending tragedy. Lebanon appears to be on the same trajectory.
George W. Bush and his neoconservative-infused administration turned away from the two-state solution and gave the Israeli expansionists hope to achieve their vision. Neither saw the failure intrinsic to the situation.
The coming Israeli election is likely to yield another non-solution, a narrow majority for more failure.
Where will future American elections take American policy? Major change or more failure?
America now has with Trump a foreign policy where one can repeatedly say with some assurance that things are likely to get worse. That premise keeps getting validated.
I'll criticize Trump and Netanyahu here. They are too weak, tyring too much to be nice. They should just say screw it and load up the B-52 with the cluster bombs and just go full Linebacker II on Gaza, Hezbollah, and Iran's military. Fight to win, and erase the rotten civilizations that are there. We nuked Japan to get rid of their murder cult running the country before WWII. I hope it doesn't come to that... but if so, let's do it. No peace is possible with the Hamas and murderous Islamic clerics in charge of Iran. Just erase them... or it will never, ever stop.
This is NOTHING like the Iraq war unless you completely remove the ground forces and the trying to win hearts and minds. Do better. Damn do better. This is literally something we could do almost indefinitely. The ONLY PLAY Iran has is to get folks like you to go wobbly. And for the communist democrats to take the house and attempt ( only attempt mind you ) to force an Iran win.
“ Dave Begley said...
Daily Mail reports/claims that Trump has said 37 times that a peace deal is "just days away."
Trump is getting played.
The US needs to use force of arms and end this”
You are a smart guy, tell me how. Nuke em? Destroy all of their oil infrastructure? Dresden’s style the cities. I would honestly like to hear the magic military strike that will get rid of the irgc?
"and people who turn into retards whenever the JOOOOOOSSSS are mentioned."
"Turn into"?
Or... possibly, they're just better at hiding it when The Jooooos aren't involved.
Just a thought...
Where is the IRGC military? You have some target locations for them? If you are suggesting going scorched earth and destroy the county and cities Dresden style then have the guts to say it? This middle management “just get it done” is useless.
I am trying hard to figure out how we are “losing”. The strait is closed. So what? Oil is back down below $100. We are making a **** ton of money, Venezuela is making a **** ton of money. One country has left opec. OPEC has increased oil output again ( I don’t know how it is getting sold ). New avenues of oil shipping is being created every day. New pipelines. The Middle East is more aligned with us than in modern history.
I wish trump would remove all oil sanctions from Russia and let them increase production.
The only “loss” I see is minor inflation ( that will settle out ) and the midterms.
Oh and putting a muzzle on Israel, that is a mistake.
Then get to it, man. This has gone on long enough. Their own people cant do anything and if they have the capability to shoot down an Apache, even after we were told that their military capabilities were decimated, they need to be destroyed. Get on with it and apologize later.
In the U.S. there are often attempts to pin the blame on Netanyahu for Israel's unrelenting and self-destructive wars of annexation since 2023. However, it is clear that Israeli society has shifted to the extreme far-right over the past 20 years and whoever follows Netanyahu will be no less extreme than him -- and probably even more extreme.
Where things are likely to be different is with the U.S.-Israel relationship. Netanyahu has enjoyed a relatively free-hand because he has understood the U.S. political system and its pressure points. He has had an especially well developed understanding of pressure points with Biden and Trump.
The way Netanyahu has operated is frankly pretty sleazy, but at least in the short-term it is very effective. I don't think any of his potential successors are likely to be nearly as successful at influencing future U.S. administrations. Part of it is due to generational change. Part of this is a consequence of a backlash that is likely to come in response to the extremely violent, indiscriminate, and very public nature of the Israel response to the Oct 7, 2023 attacks, and also due to the increasingly authoritarian and overt efforts to suppress opposition to Israel's policy outside of Israel.
As far as "who calls the shots", Israel is in the driver's seat right now and will likely be for the near-term. However, the car is fueled by gas and technology from the U.S. with an assist from Germany, the UK, and the EU with almost all of the support at this point happening at an elite level in ways that are at odds with public sentiment. Trump may be dozing away half the time in the back seat, but he is still in the vehicle for the time being as well.
In politics and in life, nothing last forever. People who talk about "eternal enmity" between peoples and nations are deluded. The same is true when it comes to "unbreakable friendship". Of course, things change. The current reality today, will not be the reality tomorrow.
One wonders why leftists and Chuck, BIRM, seem to believe that 'if only Israel was nicer then they would be left alone and rainbows and unicorns would show up and Muslims would link arms with the Jooos and sing Kumbaya! It's all Israel's fault!" Do.... they have any evidence at all that appeasing and surrendering to Islam works? Because they keep urging us, and Israel, to do it. So clearly they must have some reason to think this would be a good idea. What evidence do RCocean, Chuck, DDD, everyone else have that appeasing and surrendering to Islam is a workable strategy?
"We are making a **** ton of money, Venezuela is making a **** ton of money."
Who is "We"?
Yeah, oil companies are making lots of $$. Everyone else is paying skyhigh Gas prices. So, if you don't drive a car, and own lots of Oil stocks you're making $$. Everyone else in the USA is losing.
And I got news for you, 20 percent of the worlds fertilizer comes through the straits. Higher food prices coming to grocery store near you! But I guess "we" are somehow benefiting.
You know who achieved peace with Muslims? Ghengis Khan. Vlad Tepes. King Sobieck. Charles Martel. Queen Isabella of Spain. Israel did a few times, for a short while. How? By killing lots and lots of Muslims first, until the survivors sued for peace. We had to do the same in Tripoli with the Marines early on. The entire history of Islamic countries shows that the only way to get peace is by killing a whole bunch of Muslims first... and then the survivors want peace. Surrender and appeasement NEVER works. Yet Democrats and leftists and Joooo haters keep telling us that we have to surrender and let Muslims do whatever they want and never, ever fight back... ever.
RCOCEAN II said...
"We are making a **** ton of money, Venezuela is making a **** ton of money."
Who is "We"?
Yeah, oil companies are making lots of $$. Everyone else is paying skyhigh Gas prices. So, if you don't drive a car, and own lots of Oil stocks you're making $$. Everyone else in the USA is losing.
Just because you are too stupid to figure out why manufacturing is coming back in the USA doesn't mean it isn't happening.
It just means you are too stupid to figure out why it is happening.
Megthered said...
Then get to it, man. This has gone on long enough. Their own people cant do anything and if they have the capability to shoot down an Apache, even after we were told that their military capabilities were decimated, they need to be destroyed. Get on with it and apologize later.
The world is a big place and there is a lot more going on than you seem to want to think about.
Trump still needs to put Lloyd's of London in their place. The Abraham accords are going to be signed on sand unless we take out the financial forces behind Sykes-Picot and force them to kneel.
U.S. military officials said Tuesday that an unmanned drone boat rescued two crew members aboard a U.S. Army Apache attack helicopter that crashed into the waters of the Strait of Hormuz.
So why didn't Whiskey Pete use these same unmanned drone boats to rescue 64 passengers aboard the motor boats sunk in the Caribbean instead of just murdering them?
Are IRGC:- Fremen or Sardaukar
I wish we still had the good targeting information that we started with.
Note Gadfly cares about the drug runners.... not the dead people from the drugs he loves so much
If you want to understand why Trump is doing what he doing in Iran look no further than his statement about the countries he wants to sign onto the Abraham Accords. If he can get the Saudis (far from a sure thing) Pakistan will follow and the rest except Turkey and Quatar should follow. He's threading a needle, but it takes into consideration the IRGC isn't going away, and if he succeeds the US is off the hook for the future problems re Iran. High risk high reward. Success is not guaranteed.
Note Vance adds nothing useful to the discussion.
hanuman_prodigious_leaper said...
Are IRGC:- Fremen or Sardaukar
They are the Harkonen.
Everyone else is paying skyhigh Gas prices.
Not us here in the Shenandoah Valley. Where I live, south of Winchester, gas is a dime below its peak under Biden.
Dave did something Leftists here never do: admit he was wrong.
I have a TDS-afflicted lady friend, 37, who insists that we are all going to go hungry due to the fertilizer issue.
Mark said...
Note Vance adds nothing useful to the discussion.
He just pointed out that you will support and ally with anyone in the world as long as they help you defeat your political enemies in the US.
Where have I allied with these people you claim?
I will wait for you to show my exact words.
Markus, Achilles here insisted there would be food riots in China weeks ago due to the conflict.
Why don't you call him out on it instead of your invented straw man?
Mark.
You ally with anybody just to see Trump lose. You can't ever admit his successes you can only celebrate our loses.
Mark said...
..Achilles here insisted there would be food riots in China weeks ago due to the conflict..
care to post a link to this imaginary claim?
if it actually exists, i'd like to see it
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