I'm reading "Vance or Rubio? Trump Muses on Successor as the ‘Kids’ Fill Bigger Roles. Vice President JD Vance and Secretary of State Marco Rubio are boosting their profiles, generating speculation about who’s lining up for the 2028 presidential nomination" (NYT).
I'd like to see both of them running, and I'd like them to find a new way that could be fascinatingly cooperative. I'm inferring that they both strongly support each other and are used to working together. They don't have to compete against each other at all. Each could recommend the other. Debates could have both of them arguing for essentially the same thing but giving the people the opportunity to choose which one will be the presidential nominee and which the vice presidential nominee.
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Marco Rubio is good at the great American political skill of being able to "split the difference." He is also adroit at not being "a nail" standing up waiting to being hammered down, a key skill in the Trump White House.
The American mainstream is almost always a self-interested internationalist place. Rubio is perfecting his skills at being well placed in this space while J.D. Vance seems to be isolating away from it.
Rubio is also defining for himself an expandable political space. MAGA is not a big enough base to win the 2028 presidency; a wider base of appeal will be required. One can watch Rubio by the day and see that he understands this.
Rubio is intelligent and well read. He learns well from experience. He is likely to also add the pro-Israel Democrats to his portfolio in 2028 because the Democrats are most likely going to scramble their base of support in the run-up to 2028.
Some will interpret this as confirmation that Rubio is exactly the spineless, amoral cynic they’ve always imagined him to be. That’s presidential timber in modern America.
The President is crystal clear about whst he wants but the Times engages in mind reading
Vance is a terrific vice president. I think he should continue in that role under Rubio. I wasn't sold on Rubio initially, but I've really warmed to him. I also think he makes a much stronger candidate than Vance, and the country really cannot afford to elect a Democrat.
I think those old personality tests would identify both of them as having supportive-type of character. And I would also point out, that both of them seem to be pretty even-keeled and good-natured, able to give and take a joke. You don't ascend to these positions by not having a substantive ego, or by not being a quick study, or by not being competent ((D) examples notwithstanding), but both of them seem undriven by ego, and both have shown their competence - particularly Rubio.
They don't have to compete against each other at all. Each could recommend the other. Debates could have both of them arguing for essentially the same thing but giving the people the opportunity to choose which one will be the presidential nominee and which the vice presidential nominee.
They do have to compete. It is what men do. We compete.
That is the reason we are not living in caves anymore.
Indefinitely Extended Excursion™️ said...
Marco Rubio is good at the great American political skill of being able to "split the difference." He is also adroit at not being "a nail" standing up waiting to being hammered down, a key skill in the Trump White House.
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This is just a really stupid person.
I remember this retard talking about how intelligent Kamala Harris was.
This person told us that Biden was smarter than Trump and that there were no signs of cognitive decline.
He is just a dishonest retard.
There will time enough for that
Meanwhile, Democrat front runners are the Cackler and Newsom.
Kodos and kang
NYT is beginning the process of transferring Orwells 2 minutes of hate to either Vance or Rubio, or both. That is the next step, and the troll above is here to obey his masters call.
NYT has never advocated policies that work. It prefers to make hate objects out of potential candidates on the right. Being destructive is easier that building something.
Setting aside the notion of who is actually better to run the country in 2028; I see these type of stories in the NYT, particularly now when it is otherwise irrelevant, as trying to cause division on the right. Either of these men, and many other representatives on the right not mentioned, are far superior to anything the left is offering us.
Israel haters pick Kamala.
There is no story there
who do we have on Team Corrupt-o-crat?
All of them suck. But that won't stop the lefty cultists from building their golden calf altars - will it- Kak-a-bot?
I find it very hard to believe multiple "people close to the President" are talking to a NY Slimes reporter.
I want to win. I would also love a jd— Rubio 8 year some action. Rubio has been a stud and he might get less hate because of the senate comraderie but I doubt it. If he brought Cuban in he would be hard to beat.
V/R or R/V. Losing ticket either way. By then 75% of the population will realize that 45/47 was the most corrupt president in the history of this once great country. I look forward to the spectacle of them trying to defend Trump. Pass the popcorn please.
You’ve got to admire Vance for telling the Pope not to interfere with US politics, the weekend after he interfered in Hungarian politics. It seems that these days no American politician has an ounce of integrity or honesty.
Vance is more bystander than participant. Not that the role matters. He's an Everyman on a train hell-bent for oblivion.
Trump is going to own the entirety of what is looking like the largest failure since the winter of 1932-33. We're really talking about the fall of Troy, not a democratic succession
As long as we are making predictions - Buttigieg/Crow
Steve Bannon calls Vance “The Cooler,” after a movie about a charmless man whose only talent is bringing misfortune to everyone around him. It is the most precise thing Bannon has ever said.
JD Vance advised against the war in Iran. Trump punished him by giving him Iran. That is not delegation. That is the managerial sadism of a man who hands you the grenade after you warned him not to pull the pin, so that when it detonates the shrapnel carries your name.
In Islamabad, Vance sat across from Araghchi, who has negotiated nuclear accords with six administrations, and Ghalibaf, a wartime commander who runs a 71-person delegation built for the most consequential talks since 1979. Vance stepped out of the room multiple times to call his boss. The Iranians watched him leave. They watched him return. They understood in the first hour that the man across the table could not decide anything without permission from someone watching a cage fight in Miami.
Twenty one hours. Stalemate. And at the precise moment Vance announced the collapse, Trump was ringside at UFC with Marco Rubio, the man now openly competing to replace him. The humiliation was not accidental. Nothing with Trump
is accidental. Rubio gets Miami. Vance gets Islamabad. One gets the cage fight. The other gets the cage.
Before Pakistan, Vance went to Budapest to save Orbán. Orbán lost 138 to 55. Before Budapest, Vance said he supported Trump because he had avoided starting wars in his first term. Trump has now ordered strikes on seven countries and launched the largest Middle Eastern war since Iraq. Every judgment Vance has made has been wrong. Every mission he has led has failed. Every principle he once held he has abandoned for proximity to a man who rewards loyalty with punishment.
He called Trump “America’s Hitler.” Then knelt. He converted to Catholicism, the faith of Thomas More who chose death over
submission to a king. Vance chose submission and got the lowest approval rating of any vice president at this point in a term. He wrote a book about forgotten people and forgot them. He invoked Western civilization in Budapest while his president threatened to erase one of its oldest members from Tehran.
Bannon is right. He is The Cooler. But the movie version brought bad luck by accident. Vance brings it by design. He is an algorithm optimized for ambition with no conviction to constrain it, a man who will say anything, serve anyone, betray any principle, and fly to any capital on earth to fail, as long as the next rung on the ladder remains visible. The ladder is collapsing. The rungs are falling. And the man climbing it still cannot see that it leads nowhere because he has never once looked down to see what he left behind.
Both men are very sharp and either one could probably make a good President. But there is much to learn about them both before we get to that point. Vance, under Trump, is doing his job as the Yes-Man, backing the President at every step. Rubio has also backed his President, but has had to do it out there with and against other heads of state, in the public, as situations constantly change right under his feet. He has been exceptional in his role.
And I know this will rankle the purists on the right, but I still want to see Ron DeSantis in the mix. Any of those three would be strong candidates, and much more serious candidates than a Kamala Harris, Gavin Newsom, Pete Buttigieg.
Seriously, Obama wrecked the Democrat bench during his years and it has not only not recovered, it's gone off the deep end.
Rubio endorsed Vance quite a few months ago.
Vance is a Millennial. Rubio is Gen X as is DeSantis. As is Newsom who I'm hoping will be the Dem nominee. Anyway, I think this will be the end of the Baby Boomers as President. The Senate is another matter of course. God's waiting room.
Youre not going to learn anything from the Times
Otto is still stuck on the underground
If you have to choose between Rubio, Vance and maybe DeSantis, you are already better off than the Democrats who have no reasonable choices.
JD would be the most effective debating Newsome, but I am growing in respect for Marco.
The Republicans have several top quality candidates. Can the Democrats say the same? Election cheating enters the chat.
It's the Reagan-Bush thing. The successor is going to be seen as duller, less innovative or rebellious, and more Establishment (as Bush largely was). De Santis might be preferable to either, but there are no certain results or safe bets.
Every VP and VP candidate is a "cooler." That's why they are picked: to make the top candidate look better.
Neither vance nor rubio have that arrogance pretense
"...The Senate is another matter of course. God's waiting room. ...."
If there's any justice, their waiting room should be the one in Beetlejuice !
Desantis is a decent governor who can sign bills produced by a republican controlled state congress. He was groomed and coddled to be the next Romney/Bush.
He offers nothing to Republican voters.
It would be sad if he gets a place in the Trump administration. We had too many failures like Bondi already.
Well its republican controlled becausd we have sensible prople and yet the leg is full of possums (look at how they failed at proper tax relief)
I’m happy with either one. Both are light years ahead of anyone on the Democrat bench in terms of ability and intelligence.
Temujin said...
Seriously, Obama wrecked the Democrat bench during his years and it has not only not recovered, it's gone off the deep end.
That was my impression at the time, and nothing has changed my opinion since. I wondered if there might have been a deal with the Hillary Clinton camp to take out any potential rivals to clear the way for her after his second term. Jennifer Granholm who, as a naturalized citizen, may or may not be eligible to be President, was about the only big names left off the list.
Whitmer is granholm 2.0
Rubio's a lazy prettyboy crook, as his tenure in the Florida Legislature and sweetheart deal with FIU made very clear to Floridians paying attention. His inner circle was indicted or had to resign over fraud associated with community college funding. His lies about immigration control, then joining the Gang of Eight, revealed who he really is to more Floridians. He's sleazy Al Cardenas' bagboy and the Koch's favorite astroturfer. And he's an intellectual lightweight. Where on earth anyone got the idea that he is intelligent is beyond me. He's just a lightweight liar.
They’re both young enough to both eventually be president. I’m not a fan of Vance—based on his senate campaign, I think he’s an opportunist and I don’t trust him once he’s not Trump’s sidekick anymore.
That said, strategically, Vance should be the nominee in ‘28 because, if he’s not, his momentum stalls and he fades away; whereas Rubio can do other stuff before running without damage to his prospects.
Tina Trent said...Rubio's a lazy prettyboy crook,
Lazy!? Where you been the last 15 months? The gang of eight was a long time ago.
The last time the Kochs suckered the MAGA crowd into a cheap Orlando mega-speech weekend to try to rescue their boy Rubio, the boos took the roof off when he hit the stage. I was there. The biggest coalition of citizen activist groups in Florida had figured out who he was by 2013. He is not who he seems, unless you just vote for pretty boys.
We shall see, how it pans out,
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