There are other ways to catch a fleeing person.Footage released by authorities in Wisconsin shows a suspect's car go flying over another vehicle as they attempted to flee.
— ABC News (@ABC) May 15, 2026
The suspect, who is being held on multiple charges, was eventually arrested after a short foot chase, officials said. https://t.co/k49wKvl3pK pic.twitter.com/vkphFcC8s2
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Entertaining... or a dire warning against high-speed chasing?
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"There are other ways to catch a fleeing person." What do you recommend?
What other ways? Genuine question.
You get high speed chases from high speed chasing. Georgia and Alabama have the best YouTube chases. Florida third though they tend to abandon them when they get dangerous, ruining the channel.
The Ducs of Fond Du Lac.
If you are gonna make me choose between "entertaining" or "dire warning against high-speed chasing" on that one, I honestly have to go with entertaining.
It was cool
Drones!
If you can't catch them, just drop something on them. See Ukraine and Iran. It's coming to local PD near you.
Just some good ol' boys.
"Just a good old boy
never meaning no harm..."
Dukes of Fond du Lac County? Lol
Arkansas has the best law enforcement chases by far. They just don’t give a rip about life or limb of the criminal class…
"..There are other ways to catch a fleeing person.."
absolutely! Shoot them on sight. once people realize that fleeing is a death sentence.. FEW people will try it.
If someone DOES flee, and is later caught.. Imediate execution
(obviously!)
i'm So Happy to see that me and the Professor agree on this!
Someday the mountain might get 'em.
If you deny police officers the potential adrenaline rush of a high speed chase what incentive do they have for even showing up for work?
When you see PIT maneuvers @110 mph, we’ve reached peak “Principle of the Thing”.
…it’s a tough call, dependent upon the knowledge of the perps. severity of the crimes, how easy it is to track using cameras. You don’t want to endanger others- or the perp, there’s lots of yt video of fleeing perps dying gruesome deaths. Otoh if you establish a policy of no chases it incentivizes the perps to engage in more aggressive and dangerous road behavior, more high speed escapes.
Whether to permit high speed police pursuits is a nuanced issue, more so than such as "There are other ways...". There are certainly large risks to the public in high speed vehicle chases, but consider that banning police pursuits in total simply encourages more people to run or flee, if they know police will not pursue. We went through a period of such bans all over, but many or most are now revised/lifted, because people started driving like maniacs on a regular basis, since there was little chance of sanction. Why have a license plate, when if cops try to stop you, one can just hammer the gas. Steal/hijack cars to your heart's content since you won't get caught unless you park the ride and jump out right next to a police station or something. There is a solution, albeit one unpopular in most places. If you flee in a vehicle - and presumably risk harm to the public - you lose your driving privilege for 5 years and do a mandatory term in jail. No exceptions, no liberal judges allowing repeated offense...includes mandatory jail fro driving with a license suspended. Remarkably, the opposite of much of this is in effect in cities and states managed by Democrats. Police are prohibited from making stops for traffic violations. Chases are banned. Penalties for no license to drive are portrayed as racist. Etc. People get the government that they elect. If there's no accountability or judicial sanction, you get willful disobedience to law.
100% worth it.
That was awesome! But Dukes of Hazard did it first.
@Enigma: Best answer so far!
That was one of the more restrained "high-speed" chases you'll see.
It was just the surprisingly steep angle of the incline that produced the drama.
I gotta say, the only reason I read the comments was to see how far down I'd have to go for the Dukes of Hazzard reference. I hope they get a copy of this photo in a prison-approved frame.
You all do realize that the number 1 killer of cops in the line of duty is traffic accidents? Apparently, you are so obsessed with killing bad guys that you don't seem to acknowledge the danger it puts the police in.
"What do you recommend?"
Electronic "kill switches" ("impairement devices" actually...you know...'for the children'). No recommendation. They're coming standard in new vehicles starting next year.
“There are other ways to catch a fleeing person.”
Predator drones. Works well on drug smuggling fast boats.
Shorter Freder - the leftist brain:
Everyone should ditch all risk and let the criminals do as they please.
Gilbar, before Garner (not making it up!), you could shoot fleeing felons. Now most traffic offenses aren’t felonies, so restoring that rule wouldn’t take care of all of them.
Also, self driving cars will put an end to chases:
“Git the fuck outta here, Robocar!”
“I’m sorry, Tyrone, I can’t do that.” CC, JSM
Electronic "kill switches"...
Karen is my co-pilot.
Eventually there'll be implants in our heads that will keep us on the straight and narrow.
Watch Democrats pretend that decent people are gonna give up their freedom just so they can have their criminal voters.
I'm for dire warnings about high-speed evasion.
99% of these chases would not happen if the fleeing animals were put in jail where they belong before they could steal a car and try to kill people running from the police.
The number ONE killer of cops in this country is the democrat party. They defund and de-moralize police on purpose.
btw - I sat at a red light in my car behind a Loveland Police Vehicle yesterday, the back bumper had the following on it:
"JUSTICE * KINDNESS * HUMILITY"
silly un-serious woke BS.
Police vehicles should say NOTHING first - and if they must-
how about:
"TO SERVE AND PROTECT"
Joey Chitwood is impressed.
What are the other ways? Cruise missiles?
(Or what JCC said).
"I'm sure more than a few Hollywood stunt directors are a bit jealous of this unscripted real-world 'stunt'."
For the people in the second car, it wasn’t their day to die. Luck, fate, or a protective hand from above.
Flying cars! - now that’s the 21st century I nave been expecting.
That's what happens when you try to catch Travis Pastrana!
Make fleeing in this fashion attempted homicide charges with 10+ years in ass-pounding prison.
"Karen is my co-pilot."
OnScold®. 24/7 Reeeeside Assistance.
"Beats all you never saw
Been in trouble with the law since the day they was born..."
Making their way the only way they know how. Well that's just a little bit wrong in the eyes of the law..."
(someday the mountain/roadside ditch
might get em, but the law never will.)
Good times! Underrated humor of Boss Hogg as Wile E. Coyote...heh )
"Levi Starks said...
If you deny police officers the potential adrenaline rush of a high speed chase what incentive do they have for even showing up for work?"
Donuts.
After the city of Milwaukee Police Department changed their policy and announced they would no longer allow high speed pursuits, the theft/carjacking rate skyrocketed .
there are certainly large risks to the public in high speed vehicle chases, but consider that banning police pursuits in total simply encourages more people to run or flee, if they know police will not pursue.
Throw in Judges that intentionally keep bail low and DA's that lower charges, so that police cannot a) keep caught prisoners contained in jail and b) arrive in court with other warrants before the prisoner gets released, then what incentives exist for not evading arrest?
Here's an idea; if a video like that is linked to you at arraignment; you are automatically denied bail as a genuine flight risk and stay in jail until your trial. The officers are thanked for getting you off the streets. And a message is sent that evasion will only make matters worse for you.
It is a dilemma. There was a terrible crash on the DC beltway several years ago. The police were chasing a motorcyclist in dense traffic, and the officer crashed killing 4 IIRC. They never found the rider. Such pursuits are no longer allowed.
I have seen police using grappling devices to stop fleeing cars, but they must get close to the vehicle to deploy them.
Short of shooting them, which is very hard while driving, n what other methods are there?
Wow. That was like The Dukes of Hazzard.
This is what you get from the MSM news:
"The Milwaukee man is being held on charges from the Sheriff’s Office for fleeing / eluding, 1st degree recklessly endangering safety, felony bail jumping, and resisting / obstructing an officer. In addition, the State Patrol will have charges of fleeing / eluding, felon in possession of a firearm, and possession of marijuana."
OK, so why arent we saying his name? Is that a state secret? I dont think so. What about an arrest photo? Nope.
No doubt "The Milwaukee man" is either a POC or an illegal alien.
"Entertaining... "
You know... I happened to notice the Nick Sherley Channel subheading. 👉🏽 "Here to entertain and bring the truth to all."
Maybe the word "entertaining" is a shield to fend off possible mistakes with liability claims.
In order to determine if "High Speed Chases" should be stopped, you'd have to know the facts. How many high speed chases are there? How many result in an innocent by stander or police officer getting killed/injured.
BTW, Soft on crime Liberals use this approach when it comes to jailing criminals. We cant get emotional about crime they say. Lets look at the facts.
Not surprised the guy was "high on Marijuana", since he had zero idea what was on the other side of the road he was jumping over. Forturnately for him, he landed in an open field.
Notice how the video cuts off. If it'd gone on 5 seconds more, we'd seen what the guy looks like. More evidence its a POC.
JCC said...
"..People get the government that they elect.."
i think you meant; People get the government the vote counters elect
High speed chases can be dangerous so there has to be limits. Still, you don’t want to effectively say that criminals automatically receive a “get out of jail free” pass once they get into a car.
Smokey and the Bandit
"Whiskeybum said...
After the city of Milwaukee Police Department changed their policy and announced they would no longer allow high speed pursuits, the theft/carjacking rate skyrocketed ."
A lot of them are stolen for the night just to get around. My son had his old Honda Civic stolen. Filed a police report. Month later he starts getting all these parking tickets because they thief abandoned the car in a no parking zone. At least then Milwaukee did not cross reference stolen cars and parking tickets. My son told them "you can stop looking for it now" haha
Leftists don't want police to chase lawbreakers. Leftists don't want lawbreakers who are caught by the police held in jail awaiting trial. Leftists don't want convicted lawbreakers to be imprisoned.
Did I leave anything out?
Was Daisy in the car?
Leftists don't want lawbreakers who are caught by the police held in jail awaiting trial.
I thought the overarching principle of our justice system is you are innocent until proven guilty.
From what I could see on Facebook, FdL County has had three high speed chases in one week. I watched a different one that had a dark vehicle involved. That department needs one of those souped up sports cars for a squad and special race car driving class for the officer driving it.
"I thought the overarching principle of our justice system is you are innocent until proven guilty."
Does that mean, they shouldn't even be arrested? Why arrest an innocent person or hold them at all?
If creating a high-speed chase gets the cops to let you go, guess what criminals will do, and besides, it's fun to drive as fast as you want for a change. It's like a bonus for committing the crime.
"What do you recommend?"
Grok sketches out some alternatives:
"Disengage and track later: Terminate the chase and use existing surveillance (license plates, cameras, Flock systems, etc.) to locate the vehicle/suspect afterward. Studies show this often leads to safe arrests without the chaos. Many agencies now require supervisors to approve pursuits and emphasize risk assessment.
Tire deflation devices (spike strips/stop sticks): Deployed ahead to puncture tires gradually, forcing a controlled stop. Common, effective when positioned safely.
GPS tagging systems (e.g., StarChase): Officers fire adhesive GPS projectiles from a launcher onto the suspect's vehicle. Police then back off, track remotely via GPS, and apprehend when the suspect stops. This has zero reported injuries/fatalities in tracked deployments and is expanding in departments (e.g., pilots in Texas, approvals in Seattle). Suspects often drive normally once they think pursuit has ended.
Aerial surveillance: Helicopters or drones follow from above, reducing ground-level risks. Drones are cheaper and increasingly viable.
Other tools: Precision Immobilization Technique (PIT) maneuvers (controlled spins, controversial), Grappler devices (nets to snag wheels), or electronic disruptors in some cases. Stricter policies limit pursuits to violent crimes with imminent public threat."
Freder: “I thought the overarching principle of our justice system is you are innocent until proven guilty.”
Right. You and the other lefties thought that until January 6th came around. Then, as usual, overarching principles went down the toilet only to be retrieved to benefit illegals and other criminal favored by Democrats.
Soft on crime policies permit bad behavior.
All I have is the "Dukes of Hazzard" reference. Too late. Damned wifi.
Why arrest an innocent person or hold them at all?
The problem is that bail almost exclusively keeps poor people in jail, while if you have the cash you can walk free until your trial (and might even be released on your own recognizance. How is that fair?
Plenty of rapes robberies and murderers prove otherwise
"How is that fair?"
How would you make it fair?
Well there's the Kommie-Lay bail fund for the 'right' (read as 'left') kind of pretrial detainees. Also, bail is supposed to be calculated based on the defendant's resources. And in the federal system at least, you usually only have to put down 10% of the stated amount. The other 90% you theoretically owe if you jump bail - but then you'd be on the run, not willing or able to pay it.
But all that bail amount talk is about your flight risk. It's kind of an actuarial insurance calculation.
More important is the analysis of your danger to the community, which has almost nothing to do with your financial resources, unless you're at one of the tails of the curve: desperately dirt poor or Bond-villain filthy rich. Rather, danger to the community informs the judge's binary decision: in or out of jail until trial? And the danger analysis does include the serious of the crime for which you are accused but presumed innocent, true. But it also includes the previous crimes you may have been convicted of, and maybe still be in a parole or probation status.
And in so many of these cases, crimes you were recently accused of and still going through the system. Crimes that another judge let you out pre-trial, but with conditions that always include the boilerplate 'not commit any other crimes.' So at some point a judge should either revoke your release for some of those other previous crimes, or make the decision that, wow, five or six times in the recent past a finder of probable cause found probable cause. Maybe you actually do these types of crimes, and we need to keep you locked up until we figure out how long to keep you locked up.
The crime reduction in the 90s used all the bells and whistles of the bail, probation, and parole systems to lock bad guys back up if they did more bad stuff.
The crime expansion of the 20s is using all the loopholes of those systems to keep bad guys on the street.
Believe me, it's not Bob Cratchit stealing an apple from a fruitstand to feed Tiny Tim because Mr Scrooge just fired him. It's dudes who lead lives of crime. CC, JSM
I don't see how any of those alternatives proposed by Grok actually eliminate the need for high-speed pursuit. "Disengage and track later" is simply a "no pursuits" policy using different verbiage. Virtually all of the others require either close contact (attaching tracking devices, immobilization by spike strips, PITT, or grappling), a period of ground surveillance prior to deployment (drones), or both. This is basically the "shoot to wound" BS applied to pursuits.
"How would you make it fair?"
By not arresting anybody for anything. Except J6.
Having said all that, I am all for repealing a lot of criminal laws, for reasons including that repeal would reduce the number of people entering the criminal-justice system. Legalize inanimate objects like guns, recreational drugs, and from yesterday abortifacients, and you cut down on the 'need' for police-citizen interactions. Do traffic enforcement with cameras that charge the plate holder, and you further cut down on cop-citizen contacts, and the vehicle searches that often follow. Limit the people entering the system to guys who have actually hurt other people, or were just about to, and you don't have poor broken-taillight people clogging the courts and distracting from violent criminals. CC, JSM
Also, bail is supposed to be calculated based on the defendant's resources. . . .
More important is the analysis of your danger to the community, which has almost nothing to do with your financial resources, unless you're at one of the tails of the curve: desperately dirt poor or Bond-villain filthy rich.
Those are beautiful sentiments, but of course that is not what happens in real life.
"and you don't have poor broken-taillight people clogging the courts and distracting from violent criminals."
Those sort of infractions are typically handled by a traffic court. Violent criminals are dealt with elsewhere.
Fond du Lac. That explains it. Something's certainly percolated in the groundwater reservoir.
Reading rap sheet on arrested fellow, nonetheless, the average Wisconsin landlord can't deny him the keys and the lease if he pays deposit and 1st month's rent. Given how he abused his "borrowed" vehicle, consider whether he ever does any housekeeping at his crib.
One problem is the Speeding Criminal might have been pulled over for....wait for it... speeding. Or driving recklessly. What if the Police give up the chase, and this guy who's high on drugs or just crazy plows into somebody?
If you're clocked at driving away from the police at 100 MPH, you're not "Innocent until proven guilty".
Apparently, you are so obsessed with killing bad guys that you don't seem to acknowledge the danger it puts the police in.
I scrolled back up didn't find a single comment even suggesting this bullshit.
Do fuck right off.
Mason, yes, a broken taillight in and of itself goes to traffic court: The problem is so many police/citizen interactions start with the broken taillight and then go south. You run the tag. It’s expired. You run the driver’s license. He doesn’t have one. You smell that dank weed. Suddenly the car is impounded, dude is locked up for driving without a license, etc. You can’t give him a break, because cops lost their discretion to reform and disparate impact.
Might not spend a night in jail, but his finances are screwed for a long time. And he got court dates - which maybe he can’t get to because you took his car, and he’s got no money for an Uber because he was using the car to get to his job. So then he has warrants for missing court. These can cause him nights in jail, if only to wait for court to open the next morning and his judge to say “we really mean it about showing up to court, okay Billy Bob?” These are the genuinely sympathetic stories that led to a lot of the depolicing.
Unfortunately they have nothing to do with men who choose a life of unlawful violence. But the warm blanket of sympathy flops onto them nonetheless. CC, JSM
And if you (FF) think Gilbar's comment was serious, you're more effed in the head than I thought possible.
Terminate the chase and use existing surveillance (license plates, cameras, Flock systems, etc.)
I live in an area with a lot of those systems, yet there are many holes where they don't exist, and most of them are in areas criminals like to reside, because they know. If this worked all the time, there would be fewer stolen cars.
Tire deflation devices (spike strips/stop sticks): Deployed ahead to puncture tires gradually, forcing a controlled stop.
Quite a number of dead officers from this. Here's a cop getting hit in Dane County.
GPS tagging systems (e.g., StarChase): Officers fire adhesive GPS projectiles from a launcher onto the suspect's vehicle. and the other items listed afterwards
As Christopher B notes, how does this stop high-speed chases? You need to chase to get in range to fire the projectile, keep a suspect in sight long enough for aerial surveillance to get on scene, and especially in performing PIT maneuvers or grappling devices (you have to actually impact the evading vehicle for these maneuvers to work).
"The problem is so many police/citizen interactions start with the broken taillight and then go south. You run the tag. It’s expired. You run the driver’s license. He doesn’t have one. You smell that dank weed."
There's money for weed, but can't fix the broken taillight? Sounds about right. No surprise the rest follows.
"Tire deflation devices (spike strips/stop sticks): Deployed ahead to puncture tires gradually, forcing a controlled stop."
Grok thinks puncturing the tires of a car travelling at a high rate of speed results in a controlled stop?
I scrolled back up didn't find a single comment even suggesting this bullshit.
That was my point. What I pointed out in my original post was that the primary cause of death in the line of duty for police officers is traffic accidents. None of you seemed to have any consideration for the danger chases put officers, and civilians, in.
Mason: "There's money for weed, but can't fix the broken taillight? Sounds about right. No surprise the rest follows."
Yes, I sympathize with your lack of sympathy. But sending Weed Dude down the vicious cycle of fines, missed court dates, seized cars, unemployability, and the rest, doesn't turn him into a contributing member of society.
And unlike Jacks Cars While On Bail From Last Week's Carjacking Man or Keeps Pushing People Down Stairs Because He's Fucking Crazy Guy, Weed Dude isn't setting out each day trying to hurt people. He may not even know his taillight is out - do you do a walkaround inspection and functions check of your car before each time you start it? I don't. But we can pay the ticket.
Anyway, although you and I don't sympathize with Weed Dude, a lot of policymakers do. And they let that sympathy bleed over to Carjacking Man and Fucking Crazy Guy. Anything the decent people can do to spread the word that these are three very different categories of people, can only help. CC, JSM
"But sending Weed Dude down the vicious cycle of fines, missed court dates, seized cars, unemployability, and the rest, doesn't turn him into a contributing member of society."
How does just looking the other way on expired tags and no license (illegals can get a driver's license in around half the states in the country) turn him into a contributing member of society?
"Weed Dude isn't setting out each day trying to hurt people."
And yet, Weed Dude (or one of his bros) ends up doing that, every day. Even if he doesn't run his car into yours, how much do you pay for "uninsured/underinsured motorist" coverage? Guys with no license aren't going to have any insurance, you know.
"JUSTICE * KINDNESS * HUMILITY"
When I was a kid, the town Police had the motto "To Protect and To Serve" on the vehicles. Not anymore. Probably removed it for legal liability reasons.
This article, from Crime in Wrigleyville and Boystown, talks about the offender, supposed to be on electronic monitoring, who was arrested for more armed robberies, had a gun hidden in his fat folds, said he needed to go to the hospital, then used the hidden gun to shoot two Chicago PD officers and escape. One PO dead, the other just now able to breathe on his own for a few hours at a time:
https://cwbchicago.com/2026/05/releasing-suspected-cop-killer-on-ankle-monitor-wasnt-a-mistake-top-judge-says.html
Pull quote, from the Cook County chief judge: "Unfortunately, you know, we’ll go back to that concept: How do you predict what another human being is going to do?"
Um, yer honner, maybe based on what he's previously done?
CC, JSM
Mason: "How does just looking the other way on expired tags and no license (illegals can get a driver's license in around half the states in the country) turn him into a contributing member of society?"
You're right, that doesn't, either. Gotta have a solution somewhere between that and the vicious cycle. Maybe a lot of this will be obviated by driverless cars. They'll all drive to the same standard, and they could be programmed not to start if they have any safety violations. Or maybe they'll be unaffordable for the working class, who will then become the non-working class.
Or maybe deportations and reshoring will help US-born minorities get better jobs.
My main point is it's complicated. And solutions for Precariously Working Guy With A Crap Car should not be the same solutions for Career Violent Criminal or Just Plain Nutjob. CC, JSM
Freder Frederson said...
What I pointed out in my original post was that the primary cause of death in the line of duty for police officers is traffic accidents
Fredo, you appear to be unfamiliar with 'correlation does not indicate causation.' The primary mode of police operation is driving around which automatically places them at a higher than average risk of being in a traffic accident. Police are also often executing high-speed travel in response to emergency calls that have nothing to do with high speed pursuit. Lastly, officers are quite frequently killed or injured by motorists while conducting traffic stops or rendering aid at accident scenes. All of those things would be likely counted under 'traffic accident' as the cause of death, and none of them have anything to do with pursuits.
"My main point is it's complicated.
I would agree.
And solutions for Precariously Working Guy With A Crap Car should not be the same solutions for Career Violent Criminal or Just Plain Nutjob."
One solution is to not be out with an expired tag and no license while driving impaired. Nobody is going to bother you about your pot if you stay home, probably.
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