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The anachronistic yoga mat.

Via Instapundit, I'm reading this X post by John Ziegler, who makes many good criticpoints, and I'm only extracting one:
The @nytimes is being lavished with praise by the virtue-signaling brigade, but there are very basic problems with their Cesar Chavez story… 
One of the VERY few details in the two claims of child sex abuse from the early 1970s includes the key use of a 'yoga mat,' but yoga mats were not even a thing until at least 10 years, and possibly 20 years, later
Is it true there weren't things called yoga mats in the 1970s in California? I asked Grok. Answer:
Yes, it is essentially true that things called "yoga mats" (especially the modern, purpose-designed, non-slip "sticky" mats commonly referred to today) did not exist in the 1970s in California—or anywhere else.
The modern yoga mat as we know it originated in the early 1980s:
  • In 1982, yoga teacher Angela Farmer began using cut pieces of carpet underlay (a thin, grippy padding material from Germany) during classes to prevent slipping on floors. This is widely regarded as the origin of the "sticky mat."
  • Her father, Richard Farmer, later commercialized it by sourcing and retailing these mats (branded as the "Original Molivos Mat") in the UK, with some distribution reaching the US by the late 1980s.
  • The first purpose-made, mass-produced yoga mats (typically made of PVC for better durability and grip) appeared in the early to mid-1990s, with companies like Hugger Mugger in the US developing and selling improved versions.
In the 1970s: 
  • Yoga was still quite niche in the West, including California, where it gained some popularity through figures like the United Farm Workers' connections or counterculture scenes.
  • Practitioners used alternatives like towels, blankets, rugs, animal skins (traditional in some lineages), bare floors, or nothing at all—especially since many homes had carpeted floors that provided some natural grip (though shag carpets could cause slipping in standing poses).
  • There are no credible historical records, news articles, books, or product mentions of anything marketed or commonly called a "yoga mat" before around 1982. Searches for references to "yoga mat" or "yoga mats" from before 1980 turn up nothing relevant.
While some people in the 1970s might have improvised with thin foam padding, carpet remnants, or similar materials for yoga, these were not branded, sold, or referred to as "yoga mats." The specific term and concept of a dedicated, portable, non-slip yoga mat emerged later.

This timeline supports criticisms (like the one in the X post you referenced) that mention a "yoga mat" in a 1971 context would be anachronistic—it's a detail that doesn't align with documented history. 

So let's say there couldn't have been a yoga mat in the scene the accuser described. How much would that undercut her credibility? Let's look at the NYT article and see how important the yoga mat is. It appears at the very beginning:

Ana Murguia remembers the day the man she had regarded as a hero called her house and summoned her to see him. She walked along a dirt trail, entered the rundown building, passed his secretary and stepped into his office.

He locked the door, as he always did when he called her, and told her how lonely he had been. He brought her onto the yoga mat that he often used in his office for meditation, kissed her and pulled her pants down. “Don’t tell anyone,” he told her afterward. “They’d get jealous.”

It appears again in the middle of the article:

Ms. Murguia said she was 13 when Mr. Chavez began inviting her into his office. He had an obsession with alternative healing therapies, and would sometimes put her on his desk and demonstrate the “pressure points” that could relieve stress and pain, she said. That eventually led to kissing, and then fondling. And then more.

“When I was on the yoga mat is when he would try to have sex,” Ms. Murguia said.

And it appears at the very end, which describes Murguia return to the place in 2013 The last 2 words of the article are "yoga mat":

That day, Ms. Murguia looked at his desk. His chair. His tall bookshelves. And there, in the right corner, she saw something that stopped her, bringing back a rush of memories. It was the yoga mat.

I'd say the yoga mat is presented as powerful evidence, to the point where it becomes powerful evidence against Murguia if we can conclude that there couldn't have been a "yoga mat" back in the early 70s. That doesn't necessarily mean that Murguia is fabricating. We might guess that Murguia saw a yoga mat in 2013 and that reminded her of yoga experiences in the early 70s, and those experiences did not involve a mat, but the mysterious process of memory integrated that mat into the earlier memories. The Times presents it as though seeing the mat opened the door of memory and perhaps even that the existence of the mat corroborated the memory. But it was well known that Chavez practiced yoga, even if he must, in the early 70s, have gone without the idiosyncratic sticky foam item known as a yoga mat. It did not take special access to associate Chavez with yoga, but Murguia claims very detailed and intimate connection to Chavez through yoga, and the mat is deployed to make us feel the reality of what she says happened.

Think deeply about the impeachment of witnesses: How serious is an anachronism?

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Yancey Ward বলেছেন...

No small rugs were available in the 1970s that might remind someone of a yoga mat today?

john mosby বলেছেন...

There were all kinds of hippie rugs and mats back then. Tatami, those rollout split-bamboo things, macrame, prayer rugs (yeah, she knows not to say that!), those Mexican multicolor rugs like Chico had hanging in his van, etc, etc.

It was a mat and he used it for some kind of Eastern practice. So she summarizes it as a yoga mat.

Her greater story may be BS, but mislabeling a rug doesn't reach E Jean Carroll or Christine Blasey Ford levels of fabrication. CC, JSM

n.n বলেছেন...

So, Chavez opposed labor arbitrage through immigration reform and supported American civil liberties. Was he socially liberal? Maybe, baby.

tim maguire বলেছেন...

I don't see that as a big problem. It's entirely possible that he had a mat of some sort and looking back on it years later, she didn't realize that it wasn't called a yoga mat at the time.

Blair বলেছেন...

Looks like a red herring to me. There were mats or rugs for the specific purpose of yoga in the '70s, especially if you, well... did yoga on them.

Mike (MJB Wolf) বলেছেন...

So it's a syntactical kerfuffle? People are questioning one of the many, many* sexual assaults by the leftist Civil Rights hero because the blanket the victim used for yoga couldn't have been called a "yoga mat" at the time? Must be great to be on team lefty where nothing bad can be reported about you until you are inconvenient to the revolution.

Chavez' inconvenience is that next year's 100th Birthday celebration would have widely publicized just how much he hated illegal immigrants and only worked for legal immigrants and braceros.

*Visit the Cesar Chavez National Monument near Tehachapi Pass (Keene, CA) and ask the matrons there. They remember.

CJinPA বলেছেন...

She's simply using a modern term for the mat she remembers.

Now, I have to check out Ziegler's other points...

Birches বলেছেন...

I thought about the yoga mat when I read the article because she says she saw the mat when she went to the Chavez house museum in his office. But the NYT showed a picture of the office from the same vantage point visitors see and I didn't see anything like a yoga mat. Maybe it was on the floor? I'm still not certain though. That letter was creepy.

Also the way Huerta reacted was really performative, even for a Mexican woman. And I don't believe for a second she was raped twice and had two kids. They were having an affair and she's being opportunistic.

Jake বলেছেন...

Yeah. That's devastating. Are you kidding me? She remembers a blanket that he used to sit on to meditate and now, 40+ years later, she recalls it looked like what she undestands yoga mats to look like. It's her modern interpretation of what existed at the time. I feel like this is the kind of foolish argument that one would try when they have no other hope of prevailing.

Eva Marie বলেছেন...

Wednesday cover the statues. Friday uncover the statues.

tommyesq বলেছেন...

Seems more likely that a 13-year-old girl saw some kind of small floor covering that was used by Chavez, and subsequently, looking back from today's perspective, called it a yoga mat because that is what we call that kind of floor covering now.

William বলেছেন...

The charges are credible. Other girls and women have similar stories. Contemporaneously she told others of these events. She might be mistaken about the yoga mat, but not the yoga as the starting point..........I read that Ms. Huerta, during the Me-Too flare up, took the time to praise Chavez for the protective atmosphere he provided for young women within the movement. That's very wrong, and she should be criticized for praising her rapist.

CJinPA বলেছেন...

Ziegler: "...his accuser had 4 kids with his BROTHER, which the NYTimes somehow left out of the story."

It was not left out:
Ms. Huerta later began a long-term domestic partnership with Mr. Chavez’s brother Richard, with whom she had four children.

I'm sure The NYT struggled with choosing between two cherished constituencies: Noble Minority v. Oppressed Women. Maybe Chavez's opposition to illegal immigration tipped the scale?

Some aspects of the article are a bit of a stretch, but it's the culmination of years of whispers about the guy and his corrupt organization (of which the elderly accuser was part.)

T J Sawyer বলেছেন...

Check the 1970 Oakland Tribune of May 17. They have an ad for a Yoga-Matic package that includes a yoga pad. 1976 YMCA yoga class suggest bringing a yoga mat.

Grok knows very little history because it doesn't have access to the tools that any researcher would use to check this sort of thing.

Mary Beth বলেছেন...

I can believe he had a mat he used for yoga. It's a yoga mat, not a yoga mat-yoga mat.

Why are people going after Chavez now? I'm sure he was not universally loved in the 1970s, why not go after him then? If not then, why not during the MeToo panic? What has happened that makes now the right time to try to destroy his legacy? Who profits?

Side note, she had eleven children?!?! As much as I enjoyed each pregnancy, I don't think I could have done it eleven times.

William বলেছেন...

There was a Polish Countess who requested an interview with Napoleon to discuss Polish independence. During the course of the interview, Napoleon took the opportunity to rape her. It apparently wasn't a very traumatic rape because she went on to become his mistress. Later, when Napoleon was exiled to Elba, she went there to visit him.......There are some causes more important than the crimes committed by their standard bearers. If Rick took the opportunity at the airport to knock off a quickie with Ilsa before her flight departure, wouldn't he still be a hero?

rehajm বলেছেন...

we’re often invited to redefine words like is and did but if there was no manduka style yoga mat back then there was no rapey groping.Got it…

s'opihjerdt বলেছেন...

When I was in kindergarten in 1969, everybody had some kind of floor mat to sit on. Five an a half decades later, I cannot recall what exactly they were called.

Otoh the sudden u-turn on Chavez by hispanics and Bill Clinton defenders seems suspect.

Eva Marie বলেছেন...

“Check the 1970 Oakland Tribune of May 17. They have an ad for a Yoga-Matic package that includes a yoga pad. 1976 YMCA yoga class suggest bringing a yoga mat“
Cover up the statue again.

Lazarus বলেছেন...

Google ngrams English shows 'yoga mat' born in 1965 and beginning to take off in the 1990s. Google ngrams American English shows the beginning in the 50s and 60s and the big growth in the 2000, but also strange little flutters around 1870 and around 1900. It couldn't find 'yoga pad' or 'yoga rug.' People used small rugs in yoga and meditation before the purpose designed 'yoga mat' was marketed, and now that 'yoga mats' are everywhere it's natural to use that term to refer to those rugs.

Narr বলেছেন...

Countess Walewska, who bore one of the Emperor's known bastards. (According to Roberts's bio, there are about two dozen payments to women recorded in the imperial financial records, but not much detail about the encounters.)

As for the yoga mat, I think it's a weak line of attack to argue that the woman is fabulating anything. Yoga existed, and so did various forms of floor cover to make practitioners more comfortable.

Christopher B বলেছেন...

As a number of comments note this is probably the weakest point on which to try to impeach the NYT story on the Chavez accusations.

As pointed out in this post by Ed Driscoll on Instapundit

https://instapundit.com/783980/

Chavez is also accused in the story of fathering two children by raping Dolores Huerta who conveniently has 4 kids by Chavez's brother (among 11 from 4 different men). The NYT doesn't identify which kids and also ignores the very positive statements made by Huerta during the first #MeToo panic where she claimed he protected women from sexual harassment.

Enigma বলেছেন...

This is grasping at straws. It was a mat, rug, or pad used for covering the floor, to include a possible use for yoga. This is not suspicious.

Way back in 1970 PBS stations started airing a yoga show with a post-Beatles Hippie woman named Lilias Folan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilias%2C_Yoga_and_You

ronetc বলেছেন...

My ex-wife (praise God for the "ex" part) is a lawyer. Her favorite pivot was, "You allege I did that awful thing late Tuesday morning . . . but I can prove for a fact I did not enter the room till 12:05PM--thus nothing you allege can be believed." So the claimant should have said, "it was a small rug on which I had often seen him doing yoga." That said, I still do not believe it.

SeanF বলেছেন...

The OED entry for "yoga mat" (https://www.oed.com/dictionary/yoga-mat_n?tl=true) says, "The earliest known use of the noun yoga mat is in the 1960s. OED's earliest evidence for yoga mat is from 1962, in Tulia (Texas) Herald."

narciso বলেছেন...

She made the claim, have her prove it

CarrieA বলেছেন...

I’m a camper. The camping pads in the 1970s could be confused with today’s yoga mats. They were closed foam pads that came in multiple lengths, including the same length as today’s yoga mats, and colors. Someone remembering back to an event who wasn’t a camper could easily call a camping pad a yoga mat.

Christopher B বলেছেন...

Hey folks, point of order ... the OP is about the accusations made by Ana Murguia not Dolores Huerta though both were cover by Ziegler. Don't conflate the two though I think it is fair to ask why the focus is on claiming Murguia's story could be impeached on such flimsy grounds.

Eva Marie বলেছেন...

That’s a big yoga mat.
https://youtu.be/08uqPN5NCiU?si=fcqzW5WJCdgAjef8

Jim Gust বলেছেন...

I had a yoga mat in 1957, when I started kindergarten. Except it was used for "napping," not yoga. I never did yoga, but if I had, I would have used that napping mat. Looking back, I wonder why the class needed a nap during 1/2 day kindergarten.

This anxiety over the description is nonsense. A mat is a mat, they have been around forever.

Money Manger বলেছেন...

" the man she had regarded as a hero called her house and summoned her to see him"

Is she sure he didn't text her instead ? There may at least be a record of that.

gilbar বলেছেন...

I remember watching Lilias Yoga and You as a kid in the 70s
She told us we needed mats..
I never had one, i just had a crush

Peachypeachy বলেছেন...

The corrupt democrat party will use any lie to destroy anyone who gets in their way. The corrupt democrats demand an illegal voting block.

hombre বলেছেন...

Three 50 year old, previously unreported, claims by women most likely identifying as Democrats against a dead man who opposed open borders? Seriously, NYT. When do we get the high profile hit pieces against MLK and JFK? Oh. When there is a Democrat political end to be served. Clinton will have to wait. He’s still a live sexual predator.

Bob Boyd বলেছেন...

Word 'round the campfire in them days was 'ol' Cesar had a sticky mat.

Temujin বলেছেন...

Whatever it was he was sitting on back when he was 'meditating', today's version of it would be to call it his 'yoga mat'.
Had she thought of mentioning he was raping her at the time he was raping her, she might have called it something else. But in its use, it was a yoga mat.

Check that. In its use it was a rape rug. And a yoga mat.

Aggie বলেছেন...

Personally, I think the idea of Ceasar Chavez statues being covered up in a full niqab to be a hilarious unintended ironic self-own.

hombre বলেছেন...

The NYT story doesn’t bother to sift through the many possible motivations, some political, for making false allegations. The allegations might be true. The issue is whether 50 years later when the alleged perp can’t defend himself they are news. Not so with NYT if it furthers the Dem cause.

Big Mike বলেছেন...

So it was a mat that rolls up and was very similar to today’s yoga mats. That’s perfectly reasonable. From my perspective this kerfluffle belatedly dragging Chavez’s name through the dirt will drive more Hispanics who are US citizens into the arms of the GOP. We have roughly 50% of that vote already, and we’ll take all they care to give us. These are good people and they deserve better than to be victimized by MS-13 and Tren Dec Aragua.

Leslie Graves বলেছেন...

I agree with @john mosby

Mike (MJB Wolf) বলেছেন...

Don't trust Grok or "civil rights icons" either.

James K বলেছেন...

The term "retronym" comes to mind. "A retronym is a newer name for something that differentiates it from something else that is newer, similar, or seen in everyday life, thus avoiding confusion between the two." (Wiki) Like "landline," for example.

It would be a bit weird for her to say "He called me from his landline," but she would just be using a term that's common today but anachronistic for the 1970s. "Yoga mat," to refer to a mat used for yoga at the time, seems even more benign.

Saint Croix বলেছেন...
এই মন্তব্যটি লেখক দ্বারা সরানো হয়েছে।
Leland বলেছেন...

My thing with this story is that it isn't objective in its reporting. An objective, both sides, story would note such discrepancies and get both sides arguments.

As much as we can acknowledge that she is using a modern term for a small rug of the time; we can also ask the question Birches notes, was there any similar rug in his office? Did others ever discuss Ceaser Chavez meditating on a rug? Did he normally lock his door for privacy when he had a secretary outside his office (for most executives, the secretary's job is to protect the privacy of their boss's time)? And there should be an emphasis equal to the details of her story as there is on it being vividly remembered decades later.

Her story shouldn't just be dismissed or her integrity impeached because of the timing and inaccuracies of terms. Neither should it be accepted as absolutely true, because "who would lie about such a thing?"

Hassayamper বলেছেন...

My grandma was a remarkably adventuresome lady who became enamored of yoga by 1975 at the latest. I distinctly recall her using some sort of mat, especially when she did it outdoors. It may have been a scrap of plush carpet or a piece of gymnastics or wrestling mat cut to size, but she definitely had a mat of some sort.

The Middle Coast বলেছেন...

Example of why it is unfair to accuse a dead person of something horrific. If Chavez was alive, and if he was meticulous, he might pull out a credit card receipt for the yoga mat she saw in 2013 and the receipt shows that that mat was purchased in 2002. I didn't know whether any of the accusations are true, but what I know is true is that he can't defend himself.

Greg The Class Traitor বলেছেন...

1: As with others, I'm willing to believe that she's using a modern term for a small rug
2: As with others, I'm willing to believe that she's lying, if that proves to be the case.
3: I have a great deal if disrespect for people who only bring the charges after the person they're accusing is dead and no longer able to respond

So color me agnostic

narciso বলেছেন...

Ziegler who is an iconoclast would have no particular brief for chavez

Char Char Binks, Esq. বলেছেন...

Amy mat used for yoga can be called a yoga mat, even if it was improvised, or used before commercial yoga mats were available, or used before the term “yoga mat”came into use. A thing (generally) has to exist before it is named

tim maguire বলেছেন...

Greg The Class Traitor said...So color me agnostic

Indeed. But even if we believe her, we are not obligated to discount all of his achievements. He was flawed; his flaws happen to not be in vogue at the moment. He still won important rights for previously powerless farm laborers.

narciso বলেছেন...

Yeah i dont know why i crossed wires

Fred Drinkwater বলেছেন...

Lilias Folan. Oh yes.

Josephbleau বলেছেন...

MLK and Jessie Jackson had similar issues and their statues are vulnerable. You have to love your icons but every now and then you have to use the tools you have. Chavez is just like freight on a ship in a storm, you have to throw it overboard to keep afloat.

Leora বলেছেন...

I'm reasonably I remember gym mats in the 60's that strongly resemble the yoga mats of the 80's but weren't so easy to roll up.

Jim at বলেছেন...

One thing I do admire about the left is their ability to, in unison, shit all over someone - and cast them out of society - when that person is no longer useful to the cause.

It's incredible how this guy went from icon to persona non grata in 36 hours.

J Scott বলেছেন...

Grok and other llms are really dangerous when they say stuff like this, "There are no credible historical records, news articles, books, or product mentions of anything marketed or commonly called a "yoga mat" before around 1982. Searches for references to "yoga mat" or "yoga mats" from before 1980 turn up nothing relevant."

They only have access to what is available in electronic text form.

Narr বলেছেন...

J Scott hits it precisely at 541PM--

"They only have access to what is available in electronic text form."

I was telling people in library school and in my work that digitization would eventually lead to exactly this: information is, by definition, that which can be accessed electronically. Whatever can't be so accessed will first be treated as irrelevant, and eventually destroyed.

Not that I had any solutions to the problem then or have any now.

Marcus Bressler বলেছেন...

I got in trouble during naptime in kindergarten. Doesn't everyone sleep in the nude?

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