Said David Boies, interviewed in "Why David Boies Thinks We Should Support Trump’s Iran War/The prominent lawyer says that Democrats should get behind the President, and make sure that he finishes the job" (The New Yorker).
"One of the things about democracies is that the person that you support doesn’t always get elected, but the person who gets elected is nevertheless your President. And, while I think that part of democracy is opposing things that you disapprove of, part of democracy is supporting our elected officials, regardless of whether they are the same party, regardless of whether you agree with them generally, when they are making decisions that you support. I think that we’ve got to find common ground. We have got to get back to the point where we can support people that we oppose.... I didn’t pick Donald Trump as my President, but he is my President."
That interview followed Boies's column in the WSJ, "Partisanship on Iran Is Dangerous for America/Trump is doing the right thing for the U.S., and we Democrats should judge the war on the merits."
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It's not just the nukes, which is reason enough. Its also possible stability in the ME and forcing China onto a level playing field. A threefer.
"Do you believe it’s acceptable for the Iranian regime to have nuclear weapons and the capacity to deliver them?"
Russia, China, India, Pakistan, and North Korea all have nuclear weapons and the capacity to deliver them. That's not good, but we didn't go to war with them about it.
Of course, they aren't threatening Israel. They just threaten us.
Agreed. Iran has been an instigator for 40 years. Enough is enough.
The poodle community is particularly snappish about everything Trump does.
One of the things about democracies is that the person that you support doesn’t always get elected, but the person who gets elected is nevertheless your President
…they just revoked his leftie card, and all the privileges it provides…
LOL.
A democrat reads a real poll rather than teh slop teh oligarch media tries to feed us.
Finds out that traitors are polling about 30%.
Get fucked you globalist clowns. X made it impossible to use your old bullshit.
Jupiter - Stop the Jew hate. None of the other countries are terrorist supporting nations with promises to destroy America. Per Melania...be better.
We need more nuclear powers no
We need more nuclear powers no
Jupiter said...
"Do you believe it’s acceptable for the Iranian regime to have nuclear weapons and the capacity to deliver them?"
Russia, China, India, Pakistan, and North Korea all have nuclear weapons and the capacity to deliver them. That's not good, but we didn't go to war with them about it.
Of course, they aren't threatening Israel. They just threaten us.
Iran threatens us by being hte leverage the globalist use to make sure Lloyds of London holds gatekeeper status in global shipping.
They liked it when their factories in China could get their oil cheaper than US competitors.
That will no longer happen. The people who think this is about Israel are just blinded by something and refuse to look at the world as it actually is.
We have a president who is actually going to use the US armed forces to protect the interests of the people of america in an unapologetic and warrior like way.
Finally.
Cue: Cher
No matter how hard he tries
You keep pushing him aside
And he can't break through
There's no talking to you
It's so sad that you're seething
It takes time to believe it
But after all is said and done
Iran may be the lovely one, oh
[Chorus]
Do you believe Iran can have nukes?
I can feel something inside me say
"I really don't think they should oh, no"
Do you believe Iran can have nukes?
I can feel something inside me say
"I really don't think they should oh, no"
"Jupiter - Stop the Jew hate."
Did I mention Jews? Hmmmm... perhaps I did.
If you don't want Nuke War... yes it is necessary...
David Boies is an experienced and skilled lawyer but why should his views on foreign policy matter more than my dry cleaner’s?
I've judged it on the merits and decided we shouldn't have done it this way in the first place. That's not partisanship.
This is Trump's war of choice with Iran. Donald Trump and Donald Trump alone is responsible for this war and the consequences, good or bad. Bit late to be trying to generate public support for a decision made behind closed doors.
There is no shared responsibility for this war. Nobody else had a vote.
"Judge the war on the merits"!
Boies is yanking the Party out of TDS. If a critical mass of Democrats move with his faction, we have a chance of surviving.
It’ll take much more than a little excursion, soap and water to wash the stink off of kak.
Boies is yanking his own corrupt crank.
Basically we have become the Barbary Pirates.
Kaka's world.. Perhaps it's coming to an end.
I think we can all agree when our guy declares war we rally round the flag but when their guy declares war it’s like we’re suddenly in a foreign country.
Only if you’re a Democrat or - wait for it - Democrat Adjacent…
I just threw up a little… with that newspeak.
Given the vast war powers granted long before Trump's election, we did vote on this war. Don has always had a hard-on for Iran so it's not a surprise. He telegraphed the war long enough out for Congress to weight in and they didn't. I didn't want the war, but now that it's on, I hope they get it done right and quickly.
Bingo Little Excursion pretty simple "You break it you bought it" DTS(deranged trump syndrome) The German guy said when asked about entry into trumps (BIBI'S) WAR)"well I'll check with my advisors about this" trump says"why would you do that? "our allies respect us again" (seems to be a debatable issue)Only one reaping the harvest VLAD! ,GO FIGURE.. :( instead of conquering Iran,Venezuela,Cuba ,Greenland etc how about as owner of the congressional trifecta do something to fix TSA people who are basically on strike (even though you cant call it that) at war and the director in charge of terrorists acts resign,departments have been wiped clean of "valuable people or they quit" and now "I'd be proud to take over Cuba!" America First, a giant MAGA fakeout.. Beacoup Dinky Dau!
This is Israel's war. AIPAC and Mark Levin's war. Jeff Epstein's war. But its not my war, and not the american people's war.
Good God, we're back to weapons of mass destruction and the same ol' lies. The Irainians already agreed to no Nukes. And it doesnt matter if they have them - or not.
Iran has the GDP of NJ and its 6000 miles away. No threat to us. Perfect willing to sell oil to us or anyone else. But Bibi and the hawkish Jews in Israel, and their Neo-Con christian Zionists USA allies, see Iran as a threat to Israel.
And Bibi and AIPAC control the USA Govenment we're at war. A war that won't make us any richer or safer.
Fortunately for Trump and Israelis the USA is full of Yeehaw Americans who just love war and bombing people. And old boomers who think Global politics is a game of risk. Through in the batshit crazy Christian Zionists like Ted Cruz and its a wonder it took us this long to launch an unprovoked sneak attack and assasination strike.
imTay said...
"Basically we have become the Barbary Pirates."
You've got that backwards.
It might be Epstein's war, but we have enlisted in it.
China knows it's headed for economic disaster. If they can bring about economic disaster for the West, they'll keep their position and their gains relative to the rest of the world.
They are trying like hell to bring down the US without being openly hostile. They are attacking us on so many levels.
Iran is their proxy in the same sense that Hezbollah and the Houthis are Iran's proxies. Bombing Iran is necessary just like bombing Houthis was necessary.
America is the only country in the modern world that has a system based on valuing individual liberty. The world of the future will be a good place if America preserves those values at home and is the world's leader and it will be a very bad place if a totalitarian regime or a coalition of such regimes is on top.
We need to draw lines in the sand and enforce them absolutely. We need to do it for our own survival and thriving. The rest of the world will benefit and that's fine, but we must recognize our perilous situation and act accordingly. Trump seems to recognize our danger and our opportunity. We do not live in an impregnable castle with a moat anymore. We can't just pull up the drawbridge.
A year ago, I predicted that Trump would eventually win everybody over on policy. It’s happening. Big tech fell in line shortly after the inauguration. I stand by my prediction.
"...Russia, China, India, Pakistan, and North Korea all have nuclear weapons....
Which of them is a hard-line theocracy, with ambitions to religious and cultural domination that demands not only subjugation of others in the same religion, but annihilation of Jews and the elimination of an entire nation as its goals? Which one regularly has rallies where 'Death to America' is chanted with enthusiasm?
Oh. Maybe not the most even-tempered example to pick as a nuclear steward, then.
I sense a lot of behind-the-scenes sharing of material that is eye-opening. I think the intelligence services may have recognized the value of HUMINT and made adjustments.
What sets Iran's nuclear ambitions apart is that they are not intended for national defense, but rather to destroy whatever they can, to set off a nuclear apocalypse and prepare the coming of the Imam and the End Times.
David Boies is an experienced and skilled lawyer but why should his views on foreign policy matter more than my dry cleaner’s?
Frankly, I'd prefer your drycleaner's opinion over yours any day.
Iran started this war in 1979. Trump is ending it.
Deal with it.
I don't get the "Iran is not a problem! We should let them have nukes!" bit. They and their proxies are, unlike North Korea, China, India, Pakistan, or Russia, actively and have for decades now tried to and have succeeded in killing US troops and civilians. The fact that they also target Israel and Jews is yet another casus belli, as Israel is our ally. Yes, they are, much to the chagrin of Democrats and Jew haters like RCOcean.
I do not get why it's so "wrong" to actually fight on the side of our ally, Israel. Why is it a "bad thing" to go to war when our ally is under attack? What, precisely, makes Israel so uniquely bad and horrible that our leftists and people like RCOCean view it as self evident that "if Israel's for it, it must be evil!!!!!!!" ? Outside, of course, of standard Jew hate.
We need to stop Iran from getting nukes.
It makes you wonder, are people stupid or dishonest? We destroyed their nuclear capacity in June 2025. Remember that? All the Yeehaw Americans just loved it. We sure showed them thar sand monkeys - said the Yeehaws.
But now, we're attacking Tehran and killing school girls to keep them from getting Enriched Uranium that we already destroyed. Okey Dokey.
Once a country gets nuclear weapons, the options become much more limited. A country like Iran prone to exporting violence cannot be allowed to get them.
How close were they? Potentially too close. Could they be stopped another way? Today, maybe yes. Tomorrow, maybe yes. But eventually the answer would be no. War was inevitable.
In other news, it is in the United State’s interest to export democracy and there is every reason to believe that the Iranian people who were being slaughtered by this regime want democracy.
And, finally, there is the small matter of Iran’s 47-year war against the United States, along with every secular democracy, plus Israel.
"The Irainians [sic] already agreed to no Nukes."
Oh. I hadn't realized that they *pinky swore*.
David Boies is obviously correct. The risk the world would have once Iran had nukes is totally unacceptable. Once a nuke is launched, you can't take it back.
The Left constantly frames this as "Trump's war" and their TDS takes over. For the Left, if Trump is doing something then it is wrong and "destroying our democracy." IOW, the Left would rather Iran get a nuke and launch it then to have Trump stop that possibility.
TDS is the biggest mental health crisis of all time.
I, for one, am thrilled that Trump has taken action. He's a man of action and not words. He said that in his first inaugural address. I recognized that instantly from the book written in 1647 by Baltasar Gracian, S.J.
I'll also add that there's a decent chance that the 70m-80m people in Iran who want freedom will be able to overthrow the existing tyranny. I'm confident that the CIA and Mossad have smuggled weapons in to the Iranian opposition.
The Left in America is against safety and freedom.
Ann: Can you start a poll as to how soon Joe Kent will be on MS NOW or CNN? I say under 3 days.
It's not just about Iran getting nukes. It's about dirty bombs. It's about them getting China's newest hypersonic missiles that would allow them to close the Strait of Hormuz and the US Navy couldn't stop them because we couldn't do the kind of things we're doing now. They already have deal for these weapons and have just been waiting for delivery.
We tried to talking. It didn't work.
Begley, given CNN just was bought by an Ellison, he would be picking a very Liz Truss like shelf life if he went there.
"I start from the proposition that Iran cannot afford to have nuclear weapons and the capacity to deliver those weapons to American cities...."
Is this a typo or a misquote? I am fairly certain that I agree with what he was trying to express, but for a lawyer of Boise's supposed caliber this is rather glaring.
Jim writes: "Iran started this war in 1979. Trump is ending it."
We've been at war with Iran for 47 years. So what difference will another year or two make?
The Confederacy has been at war with the United States for 165yrs. Victory is at hand.
41 comments and no one did the obvious Dirty Harry reference.
I think you've got to begin by asking yourself, did Trump kill five mullahs or six? Well, seeing as this is the United States of America, the most powerful country in the world, that will blow any oligarchy clean off, you've got to ask yourself, do you believe this war is necessary, or not? Well, do you, punk? CC, JSM
It is not necessary for a war to be necessary. It is sufficient that it is beneficial. Totake an obvious example, when Germany reoccupied the Rhineland in 1936, the French and British could have reoccupied, administered the necessary punishment, and replaced the German government. But they didn't. The cost and effort of postponing it until 1939 was enormous. Similarly the Allied operations in Russia in 1918 were undertaken for specifically Great War reasons - they wanted a non Bolshevik government to reopen the second front. When the Great War ended they pulled out - over a period of months - despite the "warmonger" Churchill arguing that they should finish off the Bolshevik regime while they had the chance, as it would cause a world of trouble in future if they didn't. In both cases war - with Germany in 1936, and with Bolshevik Russia in 1918 - would have been beneficial. But was not strictly necessary.
But in both cases there wasn't the political will. And since both Britain and France were democracies the political will largely reflected the public will.
The public will is shaped, at least to some extent, by the talking heads and what they say on the TV and write in their publictions. And the talking heads believe, passionately, that a war must never be embarked upon unless it is "necessary" - and often not even then. The Overton Window is very much against beneficial but not strictly necessary wars.
This is a pity as it costs a lot of blood and treasure to defer war until it has become necessary. That Overton Window needs expanding.
War should be resorted to when it is beneficial. Not delayed until it is necessary. "Necessary" is the wrong measure.
Otherwise, it’d continue to be asymmetric war until Iran decided that should change.
The proposition is that we can avoid ethnic Springs through affirmative action that mitigates regional progress through transnational terrorism and domestic suppression.
Isn't it amazing how trustworthy people like Kak, Inga, Chuck (the bad one), Rcocean, and the like find the state media of the enemies of the United States? "Iran claims it was the US that struck the school! Hamas says it was an Israeli Missile that took out the hospital! Tokyo Rose said US planes bombed the sacred shrine! We must believe them because they would never, ever, ever lie about this! Only the US and Israel lie about anything!"
When does it become "aiding and comforting" an enemy of the United States?
A huge number of Americans including some here are hoping for failure every single day. Democrats are terrified that Trump will be successful at anything. I'll be generous and say most know why he wants to do this, what the goals are, and what it could mean for world peace and American interests, and that much success and goodness for the world cannot be permitted under any Republican, let alone Trump. They want disaster, and I won't even go into what type of disaster they would enjoy most, but we know they would like it to be catastrophic. They are working all the usual levers to turn public opinion and handicap our military as much as possible. I know it sounds horribly treasonous, but lets be honest. It's true, and we all know it. The same party that polled, a healthy majority who would leave the country rather than defend it if invaded. That's who they are.
"A country like Iran prone to exporting violence cannot be allowed to get them."
The israelis have been assassinating their leaders, and we've attacked them twice. What "violence" have they exported to the USA? I was just reading a book called "Target Tehran" about the constant Israeli "export of violence" to Iran to prevent them from doing this or that. The authors, BTW, think the Israelis are heroes.
Do people realize we helped fund Sadaam in his attack on Iran in the 80s? And that hundreds of thousands of Iranians died? And that we were OK with Sadaam using poison gas in that war? Or that Iran doesn't support ISIS and has attacked them?
But y'know we've always been at war with Iran. LOL. No Israel has always been at war with Iran since 1980.
All this talk of "treason" goes over like a lead balloon, because everyone knows we started this war, and we did it for Israel. The Iranians didnt attack us, we've attacked them twice. There is no "Treason" or "Lack of patriotism" because this is not an American war. Trump, Israel, and US Government are at war with Iran. The American people, frankly, don't give a shit.
Besides the Democrats are for open borders and mass immigration. And foreigners voting. They don't have one ounce of patriotism. Its basically conservatives that fall for the "We must support our Commander-in-Chief".
If you a gave out "You fell for it again" awards the conservatives and Republicans would have a trophy room.
WOW the New Yorker even.
oh noes, how long before Max, think that bin laden fellow had a point, the irony was we went to war to protect Saudi Arabia,
The U.S. military strongly argued against this war internally, because the military leadership knows its limitations, and because the shifting political objectives articulated by Trump are not grounded in a realistic assessment of the situation.
Very few people in the military want to die for the establishment of Greater Israel in the Middle East. Fundamentally, that is what is driving the U.S. political program.
The simple fact that Trump administration started this war invoking "regime change" as its goal -- effectively blowing up
negotiations around Iran's nuclear program (a legitimate issue) and murdering Iran's political and military leaders -- ensures that China will be in a much stronger position relative to the U.S. when the dust settles.
Right now the U.S. is in the process of stripping military assets from around the globe and throwing them into the Gulf. It will take years to rebuild the capacity that is being burned up right now. That is just one small component of the war that has undermined U.S. geopolitical goals and security.
Meanwhile, Iranian people are dancing in the street. At least until the regime mows them down. I'll see your 150 school girls and raise you 30,000 demonstrators.
China will be in a much stronger position relative to the U.S. when the dust settles.
Among many, many strong contenders, this may be the dumbest sentence the kakistophage has ever written here.
Bookmark this idiocy. it will be something to savor in a year or two.
Somewhat OT (you can read that as on or off, as you wish), a couple of X posts via Instapundit claim the Iranian embassy in Copenhagen has raised the Lion and Sun flag. No explanation why, nor as of this post indications others are following.
yeah that was extra stupid from a former Intercept scribe,
who ignores most of the missiles have targeted the Gulf States, but 'when all you have is a hammer'
Speaking of wars, USA about to go at it with Venezuela again. Only FOX will bring you the story.
Could we have achieved that goal of eliminating the threat that Iran poses by some other means?
We totally obliterated the Iranian nuclear program last year. WTF is that even about?
"Do people realize we helped fund Sadaam in his attack on Iran in the 80s? "
Saddam was mainly supplied by the USSR. The US did not supply any weapons or money. The Arab states provided Iraq with financial aid when Iran started interfering with oil transit.
Do people realize the US financed, and helped Israel supply, war materials to Iran in the 80's? Without that resupply of spares and munitions Iranian air defence would have withered away in the first 6 months and left Iran open to being picked apart as it is now. That was btw part of Iran-Contra.
"I'll see your 150 school girls and raise you 30,000 demonstrators."
Those 30,000 demonstrators were deliberately killed. Is it the left's position that the US intentionally targeted 150 schoolgirls?
My opinion on the current war is of no interest or concern to anybody but myself, but I will drag it out anyway, as is the style at the time:
1. I am not required to be friends with bad people. People who sell drugs that kill and debase humanity, people that enslave Uyghurs in work camps, punish women by government rape and stoning, create and finance cultures where killing kids on busses or cartoonists, or authors you want to censor are not going to be my friends.
2. People are not responsible for the actions of their parents and ancestors, and each subset of each generation is guilty only of their own actions. If you do not act bad you are not bad. If you continue violent policy in person, you are liable.
3. Asymmetrical war is war, terrorism is financed by some states and the response is war. You don’t get to have a controlled war where you can kill a few hundred a year and say it’s not a big deal. Whatever you do you are responsible and liable for. No free passes.
4. If you threaten violence to other states you must be taken at your word.
5. War is a last resort and everyone must pick and choose. Do I turn my back on a mugging of my neighbor and save myself or do I jump in the water to save a life at great risk. It’s always a choice.
6. War is never pure, never separate from interest. We want Hellen back, we want freedom to navigate the sea. We want to rebel against tyranny. It’s a great judgement call.
7. If Iran just was horrible to its own population and did not focus on founding and arming groups in other countries to obtain power I might say let them be. But that is not their nature.
In conclusion, I believe that it is worth fighting for a reset in Iran and let the population make it what they will free of the entrenched power of the IRGC and the Mullas. I think that will lead to a better world. They can fight back.
Any country can judge the US by its own internal data set and attack us if they like. I would fight them, even if a bit old.
"I start from the proposition that Iran cannot afford to have nuclear weapons and the capacity to deliver those weapons to American cities" Though poorly phrased, that seems obvious. Refreshing to have a Dem lawyer make more sense than the Jew haters on the right.
Yep you can look up SEPRi or Timmermans fanning thr flanes (excerpted in the iran brief) thd French and Germans (quelle surprise) were heavily involved
Russia is sharing satellite imagery and drone technology with Iran. ~ WSJ
'Moscow has expanded intelligence sharing and military cooperation to help keep Tehran in the fight against the United States, and Israeli military might.
Russia has been expanding its intelligence sharing and military cooperation with Iran, providing satellite imagery and improved drone technology to aid Tehran's targeting of U.S. Forces in the region.
Russia is trying to prolong a war that is benefiting Russia militarily and economically,'
I always thought claims that Trump and Gabbard were Russian assets were hyperbolic But man are the actions of this administration beneficial to Russia
If anyone was wondering, Boies is 85, so he has little to lose but fewer sharks and crooks at his funeral.
I heard a bit of Rahm Emanuel on Anderson Cooper.
"Trump doesn't know friend from foe."
"Trump is impulsive."
"Trump had no idea about the Strait of Hormuz."
Etc, etc, etc.
Kind of funny coming from a Jewish guy who should know that once Iran got a nuke, the first target would be Israel.
Rahm is a cretin and traitor.
RCOCEAN II said...
This is Israel's war. AIPAC and Mark Levin's war. Jeff Epstein's war. But its not my war, and not the american people's war.
Good God, we're back to weapons of mass destruction and the same ol' lies. The Irainians already agreed to no Nukes. And it doesnt matter if they have them - or not.
Iran has the GDP of NJ and its 6000 miles away. No threat to us. Perfect willing to sell oil to us or anyone else. But Bibi and the hawkish Jews in Israel, and their Neo-Con christian Zionists USA allies, see Iran as a threat to Israel.
And Bibi and AIPAC control the USA Govenment we're at war. A war that won't make us any richer or safer.
3/17/26, 5:28 PM
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RCO - Iran attacked us almost 50Y and invaded US territory, kidnapped our citizens, and over the subsequent 50Y attacked, kidnapped, tortured, and murdered Americans including American soldiers.
If you care so little about USA that does not offend you, well I think you are pathetic. In what kind of man does that stir anger? What kind of man does not want his brethren and countrymen avenged? What kind of man does not want to prevent this from continuing?
What kind of man?
To say nothing of hating Jews blinding you.
You seem to seethe with hatred of Jews. It's not too late to build a life of kindness, a life of honor. But you can't build such a life hating an entire people who caused you no harm.
That's no way to live a good life.
And he's considered a moderate
john mosby said...
41 comments and no one did the obvious Dirty Harry reference.
I think you've got to begin by asking yourself, did Trump kill five mullahs or six? Well, seeing as this is the United States of America, the most powerful country in the world, that will blow any oligarchy clean off, you've got to ask yourself, do you believe this war is necessary, or not? Well, do you, punk? CC, JSM
3/17/26, 6:21 PM
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Laughed out loud!
Pray for the Gold Star parents
Do you know why Iran has not attacked us? The same reason they won't in the future. We won't wait until they do to respond. I'm cool with that policy, and I hope it applies to all the nations that proclaim they want us and our allies dead.
Iran intended to lock up the Persian gulf and use it as leverage to prevent them from being attacked as they built ballistic missiles and nuclear warheads to carry out their fanatical religious plans on domination and death. They had no intention to free people, expand commerce, or establish or preserve peace. They were the main reason and source of our constant military involvement in the middle east. Trump wants to change that. It may not work, but it's their ass or ours sooner or later. Now was the opportunity that would pass and not return. And yes, Israel is a big part of the reason. All you have to do is imagine what happens if Iran does what it wants regarding Israel and you come to a lot of innocent death including our military. It's inevitable, or it was.
Keith - aren't you an israeli? Or a dual citizen. Thought you talked about the weather in Israel.
".. but the person who gets elected is nevertheless your President..."
hmmm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_My_Presidents_Day
a series of rallies against the president of the United States, Donald Trump
https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/tv/not-my-president-%E2%80%93-the-turbulent-years-of-donald-trump-in-office/vi-AA1WUgBp
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/anti-trump-protests-erupt-across-country-not-my-presidents-day
https://spectrumlocalnews.com/us/snplus/politics/2025/02/17/not-my-presidents-day-protests
I stand with Pope Leo, of Dolton, IL.
In my bones and DNA, I am pro life.
I am glad my heart is not hardened and life matters to me.
I hope to live long, and have eternal life myself, but we all come from different stock and some Americans think their way is best and the rest od us are just pussies...
I'm ok with that. I'm glad it still hurts my heart, literally, to see healthy young life, person or animal, snuffed out. Not sure how others do it, but I'm glad not to be like some of you.
The whole Middle East wants Iran pacified, and Europe does too, even if they are too politically retarded and cowardly to say so or help do it.
Iran HAS locked up the Gulf. And now we're suffereing for it. And we can bomb them all we want. Maybe we'll win. But 5-10-20 years from now Iran is still going to exist. They aren't going away. They'll still be right there, still able to cut off the shipping.
All Trump has done is make sure the great mass of Iranians will hate the USA Forever.
Vance said...
Isn't it amazing how trustworthy people like Kak, Inga, Chuck (the bad one), Rcocean, and the like find the state media of the enemies of the United States? "Iran claims it was the US that struck the school! Hamas says it was an Israeli Missile that took out the hospital! Tokyo Rose said US planes bombed the sacred shrine! We must believe them because they would never, ever, ever lie about this! Only the US and Israel lie about anything!"
When does it become "aiding and comforting" an enemy of the United States?
3/17/26, 6:25 PM
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They all really seem to advocate for our enemies and against our countrymen.
RCOCEAN II said...
"A country like Iran prone to exporting violence cannot be allowed to get them."
The israelis have been assassinating their leaders, and we've attacked them twice. What "violence" have they exported to the USA? I was just reading a book called "Target Tehran" about the constant Israeli "export of violence" to Iran to prevent them from doing this or that. The authors, BTW, think the Israelis are heroes.
3/17/26, 6:28 PM
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RC - WHY do you think the Israelis have stoppoints/searchpoints and search the cars when they let Gazans in to work in Israel? WHY do you think they erected high walls between the fakestinian villages and Israel? Because they are mean? No. Because Muslims smuggle in bombs to use for suicide bombs to murder Israeli children. And blow up pizzerias. And hospitals.
Do you think Israelis WANT to expend all this effort and treasure? No. But the Muslims will murder them if they don't. They would be happy to have Gazans work in Israel. But the Gazans will murder them all. Children. Grandparents. So they MUST restrict their movement.
It's the same with Iran. Do you think Israel would rather work on tech and cancer research? Or kill Iran's leaders. The question answers itself. But if they do not kill those who would murder innocent civilians, the Muslims will murder them. It's who they are.
Now you know this but you enjoy when Jews are murdered. You are really a small, despicable person.
I am grateful for your posts because everyone on this website recognizes you for who you are.
RCO I would also inform you as to the logic of the Iran-Iraq war, but you know that too and just seem to hate America, regardless.
Little Excursion™️ said...
Russia is sharing satellite imagery and drone technology with Iran. ~ WSJ
'Moscow has expanded intelligence sharing and military cooperation to help keep Tehran in the fight against the United States, and Israeli military might.
Russia has been expanding its intelligence sharing and military cooperation with Iran, providing satellite imagery and improved drone technology to aid Tehran's targeting of U.S. Forces in the region.
Russia is trying to prolong a war that is benefiting Russia militarily and economically,'
I always thought claims that Trump and Gabbard were Russian assets were hyperbolic But man are the actions of this administration beneficial to Russia
3/17/26, 7:32 PM
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Too funny. Attacking the main supplier of Russian drones and other materiel ... helps Russia how? Statements like this are why I usually just skip your writing. It makes no sense whatsoever. It's just "orange man bad!" "Russia!!!"
That thin line between clever and stupidity
These are the same people who bought the afghan bounty bull and when 13 marines were massacred at abbey gate they were silent
For those interested, here is a thorough civilian analysis of the state of affairs with the war on Iran. TRIGGER WARNING - some of you won't like her handle, and others won't like some of her sources. But she is thorough, so worth a read.
https://datarepublican.substack.com/p/data-analysis-of-the-state-of-the-dad?r=j1rym&utm_medium=ios&triedRedirect=true
Very reasonable words. I can not find any fault in what he said. I mean, I could if that were my only goal, but I like to see people I don't usually agree with speak sense.
It’s always instructive to watch our Lefty friends display their hatred of Jews and their love for terrorists.
Well Boies "starts from the proposition that Iran can not afford to have nuclear weapons and the ability to deliver them to American cities". Well i'm not worried about what Iran can afford, but I'm danged sure that Iran can not be allowed to have those weapons.
I’m just hoping we take over control of irans oil. And we take 10% levy on anything passing through the straits of America. So with Iran; Venezuela and our own oil we can really make some serious dough.
”... I start from the proposition that Iran cannot afford to have nuclear weapons and the capacity to deliver those weapons to American cities...."
Well, I start from the assumption that the Iranian negotiators were not bluffing when they claimed to have enough enriched uranium to build 11 nuclear weapons. I have read that 60% enriched is 90% of the way to weapons grade, but I don’t know whether that is 90% like stacking g bricks (when you’ve stacked 90% of the bricks you have only 10% left) or 90% complete like a large software development project(which is 90% complete for 90% of the time you work on it). What Mr. Boies overlooks is that delivery need not rely on stealth bombers and highly accurate ICBMs the way the US mostly does — a ship with a nu lead bomb hidden aboard could sail to the New York waterfront, to Chicago, to San Francisco, to the ocean adjacent to LAX, and to Miami. The Potomac River is navigable to the Tidal Basin, which would take out the White House, the Capitol, all the buildings on or near the Mall, and the Pentagon, for starters.
Take action NOW.
The idea that we should wait to act until just before they can nuke us (or our supposed allies) is insane. They're building the bomb and they chant "Death to America". Enough said.
Big Mo told them, If they ain't Muslims, then give them three choices: submit to Islam, pay the Jizyah (a protection racket tax) or be fought where losing means death.
Iran was following the script.
I start from the proposition that Iran cannot afford to have nuclear weapons and the capacity to deliver those weapons to American cities....
Nukes + suicidal terrorist proxies is a horrible combination. You've given zero thought to suitcase bombs, obviously. You drive a nuke into Washington D.C. or NYC and park it on the street. Or you put it in a plane and fly it into a building.
The idea that it's no big deal for Hamas to have nukes is insane. These are people who started a war by raping, kidnapping, and killing a couple of thousand innocent people. You want to allow 9/11 madmen to have nukes? What the fuck kind of wishful, delusional thinking is that?
At the start of this war, Iran murdered tens of thousands of its own people. You really think they would hesitate to nuke their enemies? And everybody is their fucking enemy, if you haven't noticed. They're murdering Jews, Christians, and Muslims. As a matter of fact, Muslims are the most common victim of Islamic terrorists. And there are people who want to blame the Jews for this. Holy shit.
I just realized that quote came from Boies. Okay, that means his support for this war is 100% Israel based. For an alleged smart guy, that's a dumb way to make a Democratic appeal. Read the room, pal. And your support for open borders and other liberal ideas remains delusional.
I realize he's going to convert to Republican eventually, but these public baby steps are kind of embarrassing.
IIRC, Trump has never stated regime change as a goal in this war. His (our) goal is to destroy their nuke capability, the ballistic and drone capabilities, and their navy. Regime change is the goal of Israel, however, and the US is assisting there, as Israel is assisting us in our goal.
I think Trump expected the regime would change course once all those elements were wrecked, much as Venezuela seems to be doing. He did indicate some people in the regime may have been up to leading that transition. At this point, they’re all dead though, so we’re left with total regime change by default.
Now I've jumped the paywall and read the whole article. (Sorry, border partisans). Boies is very much like the New Yorker and the NYT -- utterly incapable of thinking about borders and how you enforce them. I've noticed independent media -- the people desperate for dollars -- absolutely enforce their paywalls. It's the upper class media (who doesn't give a shit about money, apparently) who let all the border jumpers come on in.
Boies is an upper-class liberal idiot. The reason he's supporting the war, I now understand, is that he's impressed with Iran's ability to quickly develop missiles.
"what we have seen in the last month, in terms of Iran’s response, is that their capacity with ballistic missiles has expanded much more rapidly than I think anybody expected".
I cannot believe he is so locked into ballistic missiles as a deliver system. What about walking or driving a nuke over our border? How difficult would it be to put a nuke on a drone? Boies is not an out-of-the-box thinker, at all.
Other than that, I think Boies' interview is very good. And I appreciate him going out and making the (obvious) argument that Democrats ought to support our country in war-time. Boies is a good example of somebody who doesn't like Trump, but he doesn't have TDS. So he takes issue with commentary like Trump just enjoys killing innocent civilians. Reading that interview is like reading a sane Democrat (Boies) trying to drag an insane Democrat (New Yorker reporter) from the edge of the cliff.
It's kind of like that op-ed that George Clooney wrote, saying that Joe Biden ought to stop running for re-election. I don't know if he'll embarrass media people, but that's his audience.
All Trump has done is make sure the great mass of Iranians will hate the USA Forever.
The civilian deaths in this war are a tiny fraction of the civilian deaths done by the Iranian government in "peace time."
How can you be so oblivious to how happy Iranians outside the country are about this war? The Iranian government has shut down the internet in Iran, because Iranians inside the country were using their phones to identify military targets. The Iranian people are suffering horribly right now, but if and when we win this war, they will be very happy.
The Iranian government murdered 30,000 Iranians. We're not at war with the people of Iran. We're at war with the tyrants who hate freedom, and their own people.
My prayer for the people of Iran...
I pray for your safety. I pray that this war will be over soon. I pray that the tyrants who rule your country will be overthrown, and that you can live in peace. God bless.
Amal is probably saying 'anymore bright ideas george'
Ballistic missiles are the visible threat
Of course some of that spent nuclear material can be made into a dirty bomb
You've given zero thought to suitcase bombs, obviously.
A suitcase bomb may be beyond their capabilities, but Eikipedia has articles on how the first two atomic bombs were built — how they worked, how much uranium was used for “Lityle Boy,” how enriched it was, etc. Note that the Iranian regime had close ties with three members of the “nuclear club” (countries which are know to possess atomic weapons) —- Pakistan, Russia, and China. If the Iranian scientist need help, they can get it.
In the past, when I asked Democrat friends (once upon a time s Republican could still have Ddmocrats as friends, and respect them) their answers seemed to me to be racist — brown skinned Muslims not smart enough. One was explicit that the Manhattan Project couldn’t have succeeded without its Jewish physicists, and Irsn has no Jews left alive, so …. Pakistan and India didn’t have white, Jewish scientists either, a point that made my friend suddenly uncomfortable.
Big as they are (I’ve seen a replica of the Big Man bomb in a museum inside the Washington Navy Yard) they are not so big they couldn’t be hidden inside an ocean-going yacht or stuffed into a truck in Canada and sent to various US cities.
He's right you know.
Given where we are, we have little choice but continue until our ever-changing objectives are met. We have to hope our corrupt incompetent leaders can do this right Leaving with our tails between our legs is a bad option.
That said, maybe someone could explain why:
1. Trump appears not to care much that Russia is helping Iran target US troops.
2. We removed sanctions on Russia oil which will benefit Russia to the tune of $150 million per day.
3. Trump has said the last person he needs help from is Ukraine even though Ukraine knows more than anyone on the planet about drone defense.
Wars and revolutions seldom work out as well as their proponents wish. Collective farms are also a bad idea.
Jim /
1- there are not ever changing goals. The goal has always been, and the administration has always said this that Iran is the enemy of the West End. They are responsible for the kidnapping, torture, and murder of innumerable Americans. They cannot be allowed to have nuclear weapons and cannot be allowed to deliver such weapons to the west. That is the red line. Unlike democrat presidents when President Trump says there is a red line he actually means it. He is not a joke like Biden and Obama.
2- regarding what we know and what we don’t know, other than his declared red lines, we do not know anything. Before bombing the nuclear facilities, he said negotiations are going how they are going. Will give them another week and see how things go over next week. Everyone assumed that meant let’s see how things go. What he meant that none of us realized was that literally seven days was the day that the bombs start dropping. Things like this have happened several times where in retrospect he clearly as a very clear plan and decision-making process but he skates it so that we have no idea what the plan is. Certainly America’s enemies in the Democratic Party and the media will betray America and so he does not want to leak his plans. We have no idea what is going on with Russia behind the scenes.
3- Regarding helping Russia with selling oil, he has cleared goals with regards to Iran. He recognizes that public opinion will shift against the war if gasoline prices are too high for too long. He is thinking strategically, where as you are thinking about what’s going on in the next 60 seconds. He is thinking about what’s going on over the next week or two or month or two or a year or two. That he is thinking long-term and you are shortsighted about this is not a criticism of him.
4- Another poster wrote that by starting the war in Iran he is actually helping Russia in its war against Ukraine. Russia is running out of soldiers and running out of materiel It is dependent on Iran for drones, ammunition, and similar. It was a blindingly stupid comment. Like something that the author probably thought was smart but anyone who thinks about it for more than a second realize this is just plain stupid. Nonsense. Makes no sense whatsoever.
don’t be that guy!
Boies is operating from rational self interest. No lawyer can get paid for services if the city their client was in has been turned into glowing rubble by Iranian madmen.
Always remember that Boies was the lawyer who tried to steal the US presidential election in 2000 for AlGore. That said, even a totally corrupt and vile person (and I am not saying that description applies to Boies, who was a powerful lawyer with a vile and corrupt client in AlGore) can state rational self interest clearly.
"One of the things about democracies is that the person that you support doesn’t always get elected, but the person who gets elected is nevertheless your President. And, while I think that part of democracy is opposing things that you disapprove of, part of democracy is supporting our elected officials, regardless of whether they are the same party, regardless of whether you agree with them generally, when they are making decisions that you support.
I have a corollary to that:
If you don't support a President you otherwise oppose, when he's doing something you claim that you want, it's because you were lying when you said you wanted it.
I applauded Obama when he allowed Seal Team 6 to kill OBL. I applauded Clinton when he supported welfare reform.
Because I'm about principles and coals, not personalities.
I note in passing that the last existential threat to the US, Russia under communist leadership applying the Brezhnev Doctrine, was defeated by another reviled US leader, Ronald Reagan, although he accomplished it through ideological means with Pope John Paul II and the Poles, and economic means with Thatcher and Star Wars. Only minor conflicts were required, mostly proxy warfare in the Mideast and Central America. And a threat from that rational but ideologically malign source that made Iran look like the crazy putzes they are was removed from the earth. Its replacement in Putin's Russia can still launch nukes but has no inclination to do so, nor does it seek world domination, and has only a shadow of its past power projection capabilities. Iran in 5 years? Who knows. But Iran won't have any homemade nuclear ballistic missiles, and that, as Martha Stewart would say, is a Good Thing.
I have read that 60% enriched is 90% of the way to weapons grade, but I don’t know whether that is 90% like stacking g bricks (when you’ve stacked 90% of the bricks you have only 10% left) or 90% complete like a large software development project(which is 90% complete for 90% of the time you work on it).
Getting from 60% to 90% enrichment is pretty easy. But, way beyond that, 60% itself is well within the “weapons-grade” category, with no further enrichment needed at all—though bomb(s) made from it would be less efficient and produce a somewhat lower yield than would 90%.
Still, as this paper from last year points out, a mere 40 kg (the Iranians claim to have half a ton) of 60% enriched uranium would make a fission bomb with a yield of a thousand or more tons of TNT. That would put quite a hole in the center of a city.
"K – K – K hameni
M - M - Mullah Khameni
Here a B-B-Bunker Buster that you will a-D-D-D-D-D-D-dore
W-W-When the M-Moon rises
Over the C-C-C Caliphate
We’ll be W-waitin’ for ya with a C-couple more."
(Katie in the Kitchen for all you youngsters)
Jupiter said...
"Do you believe it’s acceptable for the Iranian regime to have nuclear weapons and the capacity to deliver them?"
Russia, China, India, Pakistan, and North Korea all have nuclear weapons and the capacity to deliver them. That's not good, but we didn't go to war with them about it.
Of course, they aren't threatening Israel. They just threaten us.
ah, one of the Jew hating lunatics jumps in.
Iran's rulers are Islamic fundamentalists who've been at war with the US, and killing Americans, almost since the day they took over Iran. They are the largest State sponsor of terrorism in the world, and their response to being attacked was to immediately start bombing every country in their vicinity, including ones that had done NOTHING to attack them.
Anyone who "thinks" they can be trusted with nukes is a complete and utter lunatic.
Russia is aiding Iran?
What does Russia Russia Maddow think of that?
Oh right … seeing she is a basic Russian style asset/ Soviet propagandist… she happy
So the reality is… the treasonous democrats are in bed with Russia.
RCOCEAN II said...
We need to stop Iran from getting nukes.
It makes you wonder, are people stupid or dishonest? We destroyed their nuclear capacity in June 2025
I'm going to go with you're stupid, dishonest, AND ignorant.
We destroyed Iran's machinery for enriching uranium. That doesn't mean they can't build it again.
Obama and Biden refused to slow down Iran in any way from its drive to get nukes. So we must accept that any future Democrat Admin will also let them rebuild and continue enriching.
Trump offered them free commercial reactor grade uranium for life if they'd agree to give up on enrichment. They refused.
So we have 2 options:
1: Go to war and destroy the current gov't
2: Accept that mad Mullahs who want an apocalypse and call the US the "Great Satan" will someday get nukes, and use them on us.
Only an America hating worthless pile of shit goes for option 2
RCOCEAN II said...
"The Irainians [sic] already agreed to no Nukes."
No, they didn't. Because if they did they would have accepted Trump's offer of "free nuclear fuel for life in exchange for no Iranian enrichment capability". Which they refused.
Stop lying
Greg the class traitor - I like the cut of your jib. When I read your posts I start wondering if I might have multiple personalities and one of them is posting. It always sounds like me!
And I agree with what you said about principles. If a democrat president did something to strengthen America I’d applaud him. While Obama authorized hitting osama - he announced it and that we have a ton of intelligence from the bit which obviously tipped off all his allies. If an American citizen learned about the hit and secretly communicated with our enemies what intelligence we gained he’d be tried for treason. Obama did it in the open and I think he did it to communicate with our enemies to pass on intelligence to them but in a way he would not be accused of treason.
""Do you believe it’s acceptable for the Iranian regime to have nuclear weapons and the capacity to deliver them?"
Russia, China, India, Pakistan, and North Korea all have nuclear weapons and the capacity to deliver them. That's not good, but we didn't go to war with them about it.
Of course, they aren't threatening Israel. They just threaten us."
Untrue.
China threatens Taiwan, and even Japan.
North Korea threatens South Korea and Japan - they might not even be able to hit the West Coast of the USA.
So, its rather silly to assume ISRAEL is somehow the big cause when your other examples literally are similar: an ally is threatened by nuclear armed enemies.
Why didn't we strike North Korea? We almost did. But they can shell Seoul.
Pakistan is kind of an ally. Have they ever attacked us? Right now they are bombing the Taliban.
So the claim that somehow other nuclear countries threaten us but Iran would only threaten Israel is not true in several ways:
Other nuclear adversaries threaten regional allies, too.
Iran has literally fought with us multiple times and its not Israel related at all. Hostage taking. Operation Praying Mantis etc.
Also we should consider non-nuclear aspects of this conflict.
Iran loves to use proxy forces. We have semi-tolerate this, but we really need to remind them that we know its bullshit and their homeland could get hit if they play around.
Even without regime change, these attacks are useful to restore deterrence.
Its one thing to fund proxies and give them missiles if you think you're safe at home. Its another when you get killed.
We killed soleimeni and they didn't get the message apparently.
Why was Iran different, in regards to nuclear weapons?
Because they are run by 12ver Shi ‘a. It’s an apocalyptic sect. They aren’t going to see their 12th Mahdi, and he isn’t going to be revealed, until the End Times. So, many of their theocratic leaders would be just fine trading Tel Aviv for Tehran, in a nuclear exchange, as long as that means that the Mahdi is going to reveal himself. The leaders of the current nuclear weapons club all have rational fears for themselves, their families, and their countries should nuclear weapons be utilized. Many of Iran’s theocratic leaders don’t. Some may even welcome it.
"1. Trump appears not to care much that Russia is helping Iran target US troops."
This has become a meme between you and your collective.
The obvious question becomes. And what is Iran doing with this information? Sine of right now there are no US troops in Iran.
What are they going to use to attack these US troops? Certainly not their own troops. Their troops are trying to find places to hide from our drones and missiles and some pretty pissed off Iranian civilians.
Iranian drones and missiles?
What you may not have come to know yet is that the ability of Iran to deploy drones or missiles has become severely eroded. To such a degree that once Iran launches a drone the drone is shot down and the launcher and crew are targeted.
So, yeah, Russia. Fill yer boots. Hope you're getting paid.
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