From "'The Cult of Cesar': Inside the Mountain Compound Led by Cesar Chavez/In his remote headquarters, the United Farm Workers leader began to see himself as not just a union leader, but a visionary healer" (NYT)(gift link).
"In 1977, he summoned the union’s executive board to a training at Synanon, the drug rehab program. Its leader was renowned for his hold over Synanon’s members, who at his behest were swapping wives, getting vasectomies and shaving their heads. Synanon’s hallmark was called 'The Game,' sessions when a group of people ganged up on one person at a time, hurling profanity and accusations, until the person experienced a supposed emotional breakthrough. Mr. Chavez made it a requirement....."
Swapping wives, getting vasectomies and shaving their heads — the NYT takes the male point of view without noticing.
But, yeah, crazy stuff. It was the 1970s, when there was a lot of falling for this sort of thing. It was California. How off the norm was Chavez?
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Dunno, but it would appear that there are still some miles left on these tires. I wonder what the purpose of the revisionism is. A simple, well-known anti-immigration stance doesn't explain the substantial effort being applied to this story. Most of America is against illegal immigration, overwhelmingly. Much of America knows who Ceasar Chavez was, and I doubt anybody cares much about his immigration views - he's not that big an item, not a prominent figure in the current immigration controversy. Why all the attention?
I'd love to see the memo that went out from Party Central of the Left directing all members to now take down Cesar Chavez, with hammer and tongs.
The lust for power is always so predictable in its methods.
"Members of Congress have introduced a bill to abolish and defund the Cesar E. Chavez National Monument."
The destruction of Chavez's legacy continues.
Hitler was a vegan artist failed drama loser. He would fit right in with no kings.
He was pro-emigration reform.
what is the difference between chavez and the current no kings leaders?
a few decades.
#NoJudgment #NoLabels #NoKinks
Yeah, this take-down was all planed and coordinated. But who did it and why.
Mr. Chavez abruptly switched topics and instructed someone to turn the lights off.
“Who can see my aura?” he asked the room.
"Wow! Your aura is really fantastic... It's this beautiful purple color."
So it seems that all the adulation of Chavez was unwarranted because of fifty year old uncorroborated “me too” allegations and his preoccupation with a popular mind control program. Got it! Now go to work on William Jefferson Clinton.
crazy stuff. It was the 1970s,
There are a few things going on here—something about Chavez is really scaring the left. It was easy to understand that they are willing to destroy a latino icon to keep latinos on the reservation, but now they’re going after the 70’s? They’re attacking their own parents now.
The Progressive platform is supported by many pillars. Maybe they've decided some of the pillars need replacing, because of rot, or what they imagine is rot. Let's knock this one out and get another up in place. Are we level again? It smells like a strategy that hasn't been thought through, aside from deciding that 'we ought to try this, and see if it helps with our image about #MeToo and that whole Hispanic thingie'.
Immigration would make Chaves a Trump voter today, so...
Anybody else notice that it's a little hard to get turnout numbers for yesterday's No Kings? The predictions we for over 10 million. Last October was around 7 million. And from what I can find, it looks like yesterday's numbers were lower. In warmer weather. Hmmm.
I took some Silva Mind Control classes in the 70s. My childhood was typical: Astral projection, viewing the future, luge lessons.
I'll ask the same question I asked on the last post about him, who will profit from this? Why now? They missed the MeToo moment and I have a hard time thinking it's just about supporting women when they are also trying to allow men into women's spaces and sports. Is this supposed to balance that?
This seems sudden and intense and out of proportion to how much an average person will know about him. Is this a trial run to take down another, bigger historical figure?
Someone provided the "permission structure" to attack him, seems like it's more any #metoo since that peaked a few years ago. If we want to go down a dark corridor maybe the message is aimed at someone else, "Look how we took down Chavez, don't think we won't do it to you as well."
they consider native born farm workers too unenlightened compared to cartel farms, thats my best guess
so Chavez served his purpose much like trotsky did for a time, then he was disposable,
hombre said...
"So it seems that all the adulation of Chavez was unwarranted because of fifty year old uncorroborated “me too” allegations and his preoccupation with a popular mind control program. Got it! Now go to work on William Jefferson Clinton."
Never mind Bill. Let's see a forensic investigation of Hillary Clinton. She may have wiped her servers, but she left a digital footprint in a bunch of places. (See: Anthony Weiner's laptop ). Anyone to whom she sent emails, texts, or messages in physical media should be fair game.
the turning gyre consumes itself
hillary is irrelevant, like the ancient mariner, she doesn't know it yet
Aggie said...
Anybody else notice that it's a little hard to get turnout numbers for yesterday's No Kings?
I can confirm one number. We still have zero kings.
One local news station says thousands were at the protest in Louisville, another says hundreds. It's hard to tell from the photos. Maybe they're just estimating based on how many old, white people we have in the metro area.
One woman was holding a sign, "If your voice held no power, they wouldn't try to silence you". As far as I know, no masked men came to haul her away and silence her. I bet she doesn't appreciate the irony.
There was some guy in an inflatable bear costume. I could only see his face, but I wouldn't have pegged him as a bear. Another bear might, though.
All the Chavez negativity now being rolled out is only because he hated illegal immigrants taking jobs from his union members. The open borders crowd can't tolerate any minority ethnic who would stand in their way, dead or alive.
So, he was a typical male raised in latino machismo culture. He came out of the womb with the Sylva method embedded in his DNA.
My latino house cleaner doesn't want to go home because she has a Chavez waiting for her at home.
I offered to take her to a women's shelter, she refused.
Men being raised with machismo culture are taught to constantly assert dominance in ways such as verbal abuse, physical abuse. In Latino culture, there has been a long-standing acceptance of male violence and domination.
https://zcenter.org/blog/machismo-in-latino-culture/
Chavez is expendable because of his views on illegal immigration, but is this also an attempt to kickstart a #MeToo or statue desecration revival? If it is, who's next?
I'm with Begley on this one. Chavez is being hoovered right out of existence. Progressive and lefties everywhere are scrubbing his name from the history books. You wonder why?
It is true that he was actively against illegal immigration--those "scabs" were taking jobs away from his union members. But that was all 50 years ago, so why now?
Why all the attention?
Purging the dead (at little to no cost) enhances the power to purge the living later.
Will no one abort... cancel this "burden" of history!?
remember they tried to purge everyone including Frederick Douglas, and Chamberlain (the hero of Glory) not that long ago,
Chavez, Hoffa, John L. Lewis, Shawn Fain... why do labor unions tend so strongly toward pathological autocracy?
Next year is his 100th birthday. He will be - or would have been - all over the news. The right would have used it to emphasize the support he received from the left and the high esteem in which they held him, and his distaste for "wet backs" - his words. This is narrative control.
From Geraldo L. Cadava at the Atlantic:
Stephen Pitti, another historian who has written about Chavez, told me: “Chavez was someone so many of us revered. Now we know that he was a rapist and sexual abuser of children. We admired him for doing so much for poor people, especially farmworkers. Over 40 years he helped create a civil-rights movement and change understandings of economic poverty. He registered tens of thousands of voters, he shaped new ecumenical dialogues, and he animated calls for peace and social justice. He even marched for LGBTQ rights in the 1980s.” But, Pitti continued, “the sexual crimes he committed were the very opposite of his call for self-denial, respect for human bodies, and justice for the vulnerable. We have to rethink his politics, his persona, and his life. And, more broadly, our leadership and organizational models. We should listen to those who emphasize that the UFW was never a one-person operation and that the farmworker movement’s commitments today remain powerful and urgent. We should support the victims. And we should support groups that don’t protect abusers.”
But the GOP continues to support the world's biggest, most powerful abuser, Donald J. Trump. And Trump certainly has no love for Mexican farm laborers.
On one hand, on the other hand, always and forever.
the Atlantic never dissapoints, thats the charm,
In his remote headquarters, the United Farm Workers leader began to see himself as not just a union leader, but a visionary healer
The Peter Principle at work, ladies and gentlemen.
Tim McGuire
Not a "latino" icon. Most Puerto Ricans and Cubans could care less about him one way or the other.
He didn't care much for prs or Cubans either. Nothing against them, AFAIK, but not part of his constituency either.
His constituency was farm workers and union members and potential members. Mexican -Americans too, to a lesser extent.
John Henry
And who is included under the Latino label? In Europe it refers to Italian some French, Romanian Spanish (but not Basque or catalan), Portuguese.
Is a 4th generation argentine who speaks German as his natal and primary language "latino"?
The 4th Gen argentine who speaks Italian arguably is. But because they are Italian not because they are also argentine.
Latino is a bullshit word, not quite as bad as hispanic. Both are made up words principally to divide Americans
John Henry
Per Grok when asked if latino is used outside the us
"No, the word "Latino" (as a pan-ethnic or demographic label for people from Latin America) is not in general everyday use outside the United States and, to a lesser extent, Canada."
regardless, they try to tear down what he has built, this is the way of the prog, even for someone who was a fellow traveller,
Eating their own.
Good points all, John Henry. And why, pray tell, is nearly every Federal government document published in both English and Spanish? Why not Polish? We've got millions of citizens here with Polish surnames, why isn't their linguistic heritage granted the same deference?
The poor guy was addicted to mind control and addicts always want company.
While Silva Mind Control was pretty woo-woo and had psychic elements, it was mostly about meditation and visualization. (The mind you "controlled" was your own.) It was sort of a precursor to "The Secret." I wouldn't conflate it with a group like Synanon, even if Chavez was a member of both.
Its most important use -- if you believed it worked -- was to help find open parking spaces.
It's really weird that none of this came out during the last . . . 50 years.
So I asked Google AI: what was the craziest cult or training in california in the 1970s?
Answer lists 7 "groups," with Synanon #1. Then People's Temple (Jim Jones), Heaven's Gate (Founded 1974), The Family International (Children of God), est (Erhard Seminars Training), The Source Family (associated with a vegetarian restaurant on the Sunset Strip), Brotherhood of Eternal Love. Hard to pick out highlights. Several groups were known for strict, painfrul and/or ascetic conformity, harshly enforced. On Christmas Day, 1970, the last group, the Brotherhood, "dropped 25,000 tabs of acid from a plane onto revelers in a 'happening' in Laguna Beach."
I could have sworn it was Gay Talese but it seems to have been George Goodman/"Adam Smith" in his book Powers of Mind.
In the early 70s he spent a lot of time with Silva, esalen, est and others and wrote a pretty deep dive on them
Probably 50 years since I read it but I remember it as pretty good.
He also wrote The Money Game (67) and supermoney(73) both still in print
I've read and reread both multiple times since finding them in 74 or so. Most recely a year or 2 ago.
Both have held up ver well.
John Henry
Slightly off topic…raspberries at the better-than-average local grocery store today were 2 for $5.
@Lloyd W. Robertson: No Manson Gang? Seems kinda overlooked.....
Well it was a smaller crew
Does Gavin have some skeletons?
Did they perform human rites following progressive principles in social liberal club? Were they Diverse? Modern day DEIsts?
"Look how we took down Chavez, don't think we won't do it to you as well."
The left's ability - in unison - to simply 'thug' people out of society when they're no longer of use to them is amazing.
The 1970s in California was the aftermath of the 1960s, and drew in non-typical people from across the country. Synanon, The People's Temple, the Scientologists, and more attracted opportunistic and psychopathic leaders.
Chavez was a TYPICAL freaky California Democrat of the time. Targeting him now follows decades of ideological corrosion and evolution. The Party started to crack when defending Bill Clinton's "Bimbo Eruptions", and then progressed downwards into rage and cognitive dissonance with Weinstein, Epstein, and Trump.
I don't think Chavez's views on immigration is the main goal. Democrats lost their direction, flipped on every topic, and are flailing about to find a new moral model. They can't do that if they cling to former leaders that they always hated (internally).
Next, theirs going to be a boycott of Cesar Salad
Mr. Pitti does not consider that there might be a relationship between Chavez's serious personal flaws, and the political philosophy both of them advocate.
Mr. Pitti is a coward.
Aggie: Tate-LaBianca murders were in 1969.
José Silva was himself Mexican-American and a self-made, self-taught man, so it may not be surprising that Chavez took to his theories. Silva Mind Control seems to have had more to do with meditation and self-hypnosis, rather than "controlling" other people's minds.
The Seventies were a great time for pop psychological techniques -- Tom Wolfe's "Me Decade" and "Third Great Awakening."
https://nymag.com/article/tom-wolfe-me-decade-third-great-awakening.html
Werner Erhard is still around at 90.
The CA Democratic establishment created Chavez as an icon (the streets, the memorials/institutions) because they needed a Chicano "name" for rhetorical purposes. They wanted a Chicano MLK. Chavez didnt really have an organic following among actual Chicanos. It wasnt Chicanos in San Francisco that renamed Army Street as Cesar Chavez, it was the white Dem establushment. Since they made him they can easily get rid of him; he had no constituency other than that.
So, Diversity writ large, rabid, even. Democrazi Now.
Why is this a thing?
The lesson: there are no heroes. Just flawed people.
Ah, the wonders of ethnic cleansing...
John henry asked…
“And who is included under the Latino label? … Is a 4th generation argentine who speaks German as his natal and primary language ‘Latino’?”
Yes, and as a Latino, said Argentine is non-white as well.
Them’s the rules. And the rules are absurd.
Quaestor said...
“…And why, pray tell, is nearly every Federal government document published in both English and Spanish? Why not Polish? We've got millions of citizens here with Polish surnames, why isn't their linguistic heritage granted the same deference?”
My German-speaking grandparents (including the Italian descent ones) would be chiming in with a similar question about now.
John henry said...
“And who is included under the Latino label? In Europe it refers to Italian, some French, Romanian, Spanish (but not Basque or catalan), Portuguese.”
I get Basque. But why not Catalan? I thought it was a Western Romance language.
As they say of Latin (not Latino), it was a label invented by the French, so as to include themselves.
Now that Mexican Americans have surpassed Black Americans this comes out. Let’s see the MLK files. He was a a predator and kook as well.
Keep tearing down the statues.
@mccullough on MLK.
He was monitored by the government and they overheard all sorts of roughness, abuse, and violence toward women. The left in power at the time (i.e., LBJ's staff) cared about how his leadership status affected Great Society programs.
On top of this, really weird stuff seems to have happened with MLK's assassination. The government even has a long webpage defending against the accusations here:
https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/select-committee-report/part-2d.html
Black USA politics has been willfully blind of internal flaws for generations. It'll be the last thing to change IMO. Instead, I'd expect other lefty factions to distance themselves, ignore it, and leave blacks to stand alone.
I presume any man I've heard of in history was probably a bad one. No doubt Chavez did what he did for the same reasons as most ambitious men. But why the double hit, and why now of all times? The man's been dead some time. Not to conspiracy theorize, but it's definitely a conspiracy.
Psycho commie
Qu'est-ce que c'est?
Fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa
All the new (or resurrected) failings brought forth decades later.
Almost as if by plan.
The only guy erased faster from public view than CC was the Ayatollah.
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