Glad I quit, wasn't easy. Best advice was " Like anything else, it takes practice". Anyway: Plumbing supply owner Property Management husband and wife Neighbor across the street. All dead from lung cancer. Not nice and quick like heart attack but real slow losing breathing ability.
My dear cousin's life partner died of lung cancer due to smoking. the cancer was so progressed, that from the diagnosis to his death was only a few weeks.
I used to teach a business ethics class and one of the case studies we used was on Philip Morris. What were the ethics of a company making a legal, but harmful, product.
I used to start with a stat from National Cancer Society. SMOKERS ARE TWICE AS LIKELY TO GET LUNG CANCER AS NON-SMOKERS!!!!!! (Send us money)
That is true but it was 4.5% vs 9%. This was in the 90s so I just rechecked it with Brave AI. Now it is @13 and 17%.
This used to shock everyone. All our lives we've heard how smoking "causes" lung cancer. While it does increase the risk, it is still pretty low.
Lots of other problems with smoking, I don't pretend to defend it. I quit in February 1971 and glad I did.
I also taught a case on Gallo and Thunderbird wine. Is Gallo predatory for selling cheap wine? Let the winos drink sterno instead?
I for one take solace in the fact that some liberals seek actual good news to celebrate, however statistically invalid. Even if it's because they can't bring themselves celebrate so much actual "winning" around them because Trump might get credit. There still may be a glimmer of hope for these people in the Golden Age.
I didn't quit from fear of lung cancer. Was smoking so much I always had a cigarette in my hand, or setting down beside me. When I started smoking in bed, and falling asleep, had to take it serious. Now, looking at price of cigarettes here, I am saving enough money to make a decent car payment.
"For Americans aged 18-45, fentanyl overdose is the leading cause of death. Fentanyl was involved in nearly 70% of all U.S. drug overdose deaths in 2023."
Maybe we should do more about hard drugs and less about smoking.
Here's something from the Harvard Medical School which made me laugh for some reason, even though its not funny:
"Long-term cannabis users' IQs declined by 5.5 points on average from childhood, and there were deficits in learning and processing speed compared to people that did not use cannabis. The more frequently an individual used cannabis, the greater the resulting cognitive impairment, suggesting a potential causative link."
I'm not a big fan smoking. And the combo of smoking and heavy drinking - if carried on long enough - is a deadly one. Those who died of cancer from it include: Hitchens, martin Amis, Philip Larkin, Jan hooks. Norm MacDonald was heavy smoker and he died from cancer.
Scott Adams used to boast about smoking MJ every day. I wonder if that's linked to his cancer. Anyway, it didn't help.
"For Americans aged 18-45, fentanyl overdose is the leading cause of death. Fentanyl was involved in nearly 70% of all U.S. drug overdose deaths in 2023.""
Manager, service dept Toyota, early thirties. Married, children Union journeyman carpenter early thirties, married, one son Niece -in-law. Mid twenties, one child, married. 2 acquaintances of young relative, mid 20's, junkies, od'd together in a van.
Do you think that they somehow imagine that the 443,731 dead people are suddenly not dead? Other than the electronic numerals on that sign, nothing has changed. Maybe they could just zero it out every once in a while to lift spirits, like that "Hope and Change" thing.
I wonder how many overdoses involve multiple people at once, since usually everyone there is taking the same drug from the same source and similar dosages.
SMOKERS ARE TWICE AS LIKELY TO GET LUNG CANCER AS NON-SMOKERS!!!!!! (Send us money)
That is true but it was 4.5% vs 9%. This was in the 90s so I just rechecked it with Brave AI. Now it is @13 and 17%.
I get the point that you are making, but I would be concerned about the fact that lung cancer appears to have doubled since the 90's for both smokers and non-smokers. What is in the air these days?
I saw this version of the reset on my X feed. These look like two different years ... this might be last year's reset since 2024 was a leap year and the death number was slightly higher than 2025? Not sure. Happy New Year, all!
My SIL's older brother died of lung cancer in 2023 at 70, less than a year after their mother died at 100. He was the only one in her family that never smoked.
"bagoh20 said... I wonder how many overdoses involve multiple people at once, since usually everyone there is taking the same drug from the same source and similar dosages."
Few years ago, in S.F., 4 died on same street corner.
Wonder if dealer was punished? Celeb dies, dealer tracked down and charged.
"I would be concerned about the fact that lung cancer appears to have doubled since the 90's for both smokers and non-smokers."
Not saying there's no concern (though I am skeptical of the reliability of those statistics), but we all have to die of something. So if we're dying less from some causes (auto accidents, heart disease, etc.) we have to die more from something else. I'd like to know the age-controlled death rates.
...... I get the point that you are making, but I would be concerned about the fact that lung cancer appears to have doubled since the 90's for both smokers and non-smokers. What is in the air these days? Ethynol/catalytic converters: AI says " Increased Aldehyde Emissions: Burning ethanol-gasoline blends produces higher levels of acetaldehyde and formaldehyde. These compounds are respiratory toxicants and irritants that are considered potential human carcinogens. Respiratory and Heart Disease Aggravation: If ethanol causes the catalytic converter to degrade or fail—which can happen in older, non-compliant vehicles because ethanol burns hotter—the vehicle will emit significantly higher levels of Carbon Monoxide (CO), Nitrogen Oxides (NOx), and unburned hydrocarbons. These pollutants can aggravate asthma, reduce the blood's ability to carry oxygen, and increase the risk of heart disease. Ground-Level Ozone Formation: Acetaldehyde and NOx contribute to the formation of ground-level ozone (smog). High ozone levels are linked to increased rates of asthma, hospitalization, and premature death. Inhalation and Vapor Exposure: Direct exposure to fuel ethanol vapors during refueling or from leaks (caused by ethanol's corrosive effect on older fuel lines) can cause immediate symptoms such as headaches, nausea, dizziness, and eye or respiratory irritation."
The party won’t last long—the number will flip to 1 in about a minute. And Bardot was a heavy smoker and lived to 91. Do they count that as a smoking death? Probably.
I’m pretty sure that those fortified wines like Thunderbird were produced or are produced specifically for the bottle gangs on Skid Row. Now they’re not needed as much as before because they’re all shooting up instead. I have no respect for junkies. It’s too bloody easy. Being an alcoholic takes a lot of work.
I’m pretty sure that those fortified wines like Thunderbird were produced or are produced specifically for the bottle gangs on Skid Row.
That was the point of the whole case. Gallo, as a corporate business decision, produced a cheap, high alcohol, wine specifically for the people we might classify as "winos". In my misspent youth we drank it sometimes because it was the cheapest alcohol we could find.
It was specifically marketed as a cheap wine targeted blacks and hispanics, not prominently branded as Gallo.
As with cigarettes, a legal but morally reprehensible (to some) product. Should Gallo have sold it? Explain your position in NMT 2 pages and be prepared to discuss and defend in class.
"Atlas Shrugged" was a required reading with a paper on the book due at the end of the semester.
That is the kind of class I teach when they give me my head.
The title was "Business, Government and the Environment" (Environment meaning the society in which the business operates) and the relation between the 3.
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Glad I quit, wasn't easy. Best advice was " Like anything else, it takes practice".
Anyway:
Plumbing supply owner
Property Management husband and wife
Neighbor across the street.
All dead from lung cancer.
Not nice and quick like heart attack but real slow losing breathing ability.
Awesome!
Lung cancer got my Dad. I quit 41 years ago, 4 years before he died.
My dear cousin's life partner died of lung cancer due to smoking.
the cancer was so progressed, that from the diagnosis to his death was only a few weeks.
Nice. I like it.
T.L. You know those things are going to kill you
Tommy It will be a fair trade for all the pleasure they’ve given me
I used to teach a business ethics class and one of the case studies we used was on Philip Morris. What were the ethics of a company making a legal, but harmful, product.
I used to start with a stat from National Cancer Society. SMOKERS ARE TWICE AS LIKELY TO GET LUNG CANCER AS NON-SMOKERS!!!!!! (Send us money)
That is true but it was 4.5% vs 9%. This was in the 90s so I just rechecked it with Brave AI. Now it is @13 and 17%.
This used to shock everyone. All our lives we've heard how smoking "causes" lung cancer. While it does increase the risk, it is still pretty low.
Lots of other problems with smoking, I don't pretend to defend it. I quit in February 1971 and glad I did.
I also taught a case on Gallo and Thunderbird wine. Is Gallo predatory for selling cheap wine? Let the winos drink sterno instead?
John Henry
I for one take solace in the fact that some liberals seek actual good news to celebrate, however statistically invalid. Even if it's because they can't bring themselves celebrate so much actual "winning" around them because Trump might get credit. There still may be a glimmer of hope for these people in the Golden Age.
I didn't quit from fear of lung cancer. Was smoking so much I always had a cigarette in my hand, or setting down beside me. When I started smoking in bed, and falling asleep, had to take it serious.
Now, looking at price of cigarettes here, I am saving enough money to make a decent car payment.
Ray Benson would like a word
https://youtu.be/B1WhRzyE00w?si=fap5tM1XDTNibqsQ
Asleep at the Wheel with Smoke, Smoke, Smoke that cigarette
John Henry
(Dago Red)Gallo and Thunderbird wine....with non filtered Lucky Strikes. Perfection.
Per Grok:
"For Americans aged 18-45, fentanyl overdose is the leading cause of death. Fentanyl was involved in nearly 70% of all U.S. drug overdose deaths in 2023."
Maybe we should do more about hard drugs and less about smoking.
Here's something from the Harvard Medical School which made me laugh for some reason, even though its not funny:
"Long-term cannabis users' IQs declined by 5.5 points on average from childhood, and there were deficits in learning and processing speed compared to people that did not use cannabis. The more frequently an individual used cannabis, the greater the resulting cognitive impairment, suggesting a potential causative link."
I'm not a big fan smoking. And the combo of smoking and heavy drinking - if carried on long enough - is a deadly one. Those who died of cancer from it include: Hitchens, martin Amis, Philip Larkin, Jan hooks. Norm MacDonald was heavy smoker and he died from cancer.
Scott Adams used to boast about smoking MJ every day. I wonder if that's linked to his cancer. Anyway, it didn't help.
"RCOCEAN II said...
Per Grok:
"For Americans aged 18-45, fentanyl overdose is the leading cause of death. Fentanyl was involved in nearly 70% of all U.S. drug overdose deaths in 2023.""
Manager, service dept Toyota, early thirties. Married, children
Union journeyman carpenter early thirties, married, one son
Niece -in-law. Mid twenties, one child, married.
2 acquaintances of young relative, mid 20's, junkies, od'd together in a van.
Smoking deaths = delaying the Doomsday Date for Social Security.
Do you think that they somehow imagine that the 443,731 dead people are suddenly not dead? Other than the electronic numerals on that sign, nothing has changed. Maybe they could just zero it out every once in a while to lift spirits, like that "Hope and Change" thing.
I wonder how many overdoses involve multiple people at once, since usually everyone there is taking the same drug from the same source and similar dosages.
I'd rather watch the National Debt Clock. More uplifting.
SMOKERS ARE TWICE AS LIKELY TO GET LUNG CANCER AS NON-SMOKERS!!!!!! (Send us money)
That is true but it was 4.5% vs 9%. This was in the 90s so I just rechecked it with Brave AI. Now it is @13 and 17%.
I get the point that you are making, but I would be concerned about the fact that lung cancer appears to have doubled since the 90's for both smokers and non-smokers. What is in the air these days?
“ I also taught a case on Gallo and Thunderbird wine. ”
What’s the word- Thunderbird, What’s the price- a dollar, twice.
I saw this version of the reset on my X feed. These look like two different years ... this might be last year's reset since 2024 was a leap year and the death number was slightly higher than 2025? Not sure. Happy New Year, all!
https://x.com/militantangleno/status/2006639205716471866?s=20
I just noticed the timestamp on Mads' X post ... morning of NYE, so has to be a prior year.
Shouldn't they be smoking?
My SIL's older brother died of lung cancer in 2023 at 70, less than a year after their mother died at 100. He was the only one in her family that never smoked.
"bagoh20 said...
I wonder how many overdoses involve multiple people at once, since usually everyone there is taking the same drug from the same source and similar dosages."
Few years ago, in S.F., 4 died on same street corner.
Wonder if dealer was punished? Celeb dies, dealer tracked down and charged.
"I would be concerned about the fact that lung cancer appears to have doubled since the 90's for both smokers and non-smokers."
Not saying there's no concern (though I am skeptical of the reliability of those statistics), but we all have to die of something. So if we're dying less from some causes (auto accidents, heart disease, etc.) we have to die more from something else. I'd like to know the age-controlled death rates.
"tommyesq said...
......
I get the point that you are making, but I would be concerned about the fact that lung cancer appears to have doubled since the 90's for both smokers and non-smokers. What is in the air these days?
Ethynol/catalytic converters:
AI says "
Increased Aldehyde Emissions: Burning ethanol-gasoline blends produces higher levels of acetaldehyde and formaldehyde. These compounds are respiratory toxicants and irritants that are considered potential human carcinogens.
Respiratory and Heart Disease Aggravation: If ethanol causes the catalytic converter to degrade or fail—which can happen in older, non-compliant vehicles because ethanol burns hotter—the vehicle will emit significantly higher levels of Carbon Monoxide (CO), Nitrogen Oxides (NOx), and unburned hydrocarbons. These pollutants can aggravate asthma, reduce the blood's ability to carry oxygen, and increase the risk of heart disease.
Ground-Level Ozone Formation: Acetaldehyde and NOx contribute to the formation of ground-level ozone (smog). High ozone levels are linked to increased rates of asthma, hospitalization, and premature death.
Inhalation and Vapor Exposure: Direct exposure to fuel ethanol vapors during refueling or from leaks (caused by ethanol's corrosive effect on older fuel lines) can cause immediate symptoms such as headaches, nausea, dizziness, and eye or respiratory irritation."
Tommyesq,
I agree that the increase would be worrisome if it is real.
I forget how the ncs numbers were calculated if I ever knew. Don't know how these are.
Wed need to look into how the numbers are calculated.
I str that ncs and cdc numbers, though similar esp in spread varied by a point or 2
John Henry
The party won’t last long—the number will flip to 1 in about a minute. And Bardot was a heavy smoker and lived to 91. Do they count that as a smoking death? Probably.
I’m pretty sure that those fortified wines like Thunderbird were produced or are produced specifically for the bottle gangs on Skid Row. Now they’re not needed as much as before because they’re all shooting up instead. I have no respect for junkies. It’s too bloody easy. Being an alcoholic takes a lot of work.
Valentine Smith said...
I’m pretty sure that those fortified wines like Thunderbird were produced or are produced specifically for the bottle gangs on Skid Row.
That was the point of the whole case. Gallo, as a corporate business decision, produced a cheap, high alcohol, wine specifically for the people we might classify as "winos". In my misspent youth we drank it sometimes because it was the cheapest alcohol we could find.
It was specifically marketed as a cheap wine targeted blacks and hispanics, not prominently branded as Gallo.
As with cigarettes, a legal but morally reprehensible (to some) product. Should Gallo have sold it? Explain your position in NMT 2 pages and be prepared to discuss and defend in class.
"Atlas Shrugged" was a required reading with a paper on the book due at the end of the semester.
That is the kind of class I teach when they give me my head.
The title was "Business, Government and the Environment" (Environment meaning the society in which the business operates) and the relation between the 3.
John Henry
gspencer said...
"Smoking deaths = delaying the Doomsday Date for Social Security."
So many Americans died from COVID, it’s boosting Social Security to the tune of $205 billion (Fortune Magazine, February 19, 2025)
A contributing factor was the push to move recovering C-19 patients to nursing homes.
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