7 డిసెంబర్, 2025
"The famous party slogan in 'Nineteen Eighty-Four' was 'Who controls the past controls the future; who controls the present controls the past.'"
"Orwell’s proposal that totalitarianism demands the rejection of objective truth and the alteration of the past is perhaps the most original idea in 'Nineteen Eighty-Four.'... 'The empirical method of thought, on which all the scientific achievements of the past were founded, is opposed to the most fundamental principles of Ingsoc [English socialism]. And even technological progress only happens when its products can in some way be used for the diminution of human liberty. In all the useful arts, the world is either standing still or going backwards.' And the very medium of thought, in Orwell’s reckoning, language, would be crippled. Winston’s co-worker, employed in the project, explains: 'Do you know that Newspeak is the only language in the world whose vocabulary gets smaller every year? … In the end we will make thoughtcrime literally impossible, because there will be no words in which to express it.' What actually happened?... This logarithmic graph shows that in 1948, the Encyclopaedia Britannica was about 29,000 pages. Its final printed edition, in 2010, had 33,000. Today most of us rely on Wikipedia (despite its occasional errors and editing wars), which as of last year had the equivalent of 3.2 million Britannica pages, a hundredfold increase...."
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Linked has a good point. Tech for all its faults has made more information available to more people. Note that the loudest screamers against supposed tech brain rot are found in the MSM. They just care that the gates they kept have been ripped down. CC, JSM
Dammit, Pinker, not linked. Autoincorrect. CC, JSM
A printed encyclopedia was set, Wikipedia gets changed as often as someone with an agenda can get in to do it.
I'm sorry I didn't look for an Encyclopedia back when the internet took off, the history in it was about as accurate as you were going to find for the time...but it wasn't going to be revised by someone with an agenda later. Can't say that about Wikipedia.
Wouldn't that be nice if it were true. Unfortunately every big issue the Leftists push requires unthinking belief in things that are not true. Each of us could easily list a dozen current issues that fit that description: expressed belief in objectively untrue things.
Sing me a lullaby, Pinker. That didn't just happen. We fought a 50 year cold war and numerous small, hot wars to make that happen.
We thought we won, remember? We thought people would learn. Now look at Europe. Look at academia. Look at "journalism". Look at US politics. Clearly the battle isn't over. It will never be over because freedom is that battle.
Pinker's example supports my thesis. Winston's coworker demonstrates the true believer Leftist excited about extending their power but also dead wrong in how it will turn out.
There are cameras everywhere, there are laws governing speech. Jury trials are being thrown out because juries won't convict on laws they see as unjust, the London Times and the Guardian now produce party propaganda non stop... "Don't worry people, it's not what it looks like."
"Wikipedia gets changed as often as someone with an agenda can get in to do it."
Wikipedia on any important topic is maintained by spooks and party operatives. News stories are modified, thrown into the memory hole.
One thing he got wrong was that the tell screen would be carried around with you at all times, reporting your location and stuffing you with propaganda, recording your speech, just like the camera in your car watching that you are watching the road, of course access to it can be ordered by a judge, a judge who does whatever the Party tells him to do.
Oh, no, it's not like 1984 at all whatsoever.
Of course social media has provided a counter to it, but look at Europe right now imposing a $130 million fine on X for refusing to censor speech speech in what we used to call "Free Europe."
i thought Everyone Knew,
that we were living in a Brave New World?
john mosby said...
..Dammit, Pinker, not linked. Autoincorrect..
how does Autoincorrect fit into Thoughtcrime?
how long? before there are things you JUST CAN'T type?
April 4th, 1984. Last night to the flicks. All war films. One very good
one of a ship full of refugees being bombed somewhere in the Mediterranean.
Audience much amused by shots of a great huge fat man trying to swim away
with a helicopter after him, first you saw him wallowing along in the
water like a porpoise, then you saw him through the helicopters gunsights,
then he was full of holes and the sea round him turned pink and he sank as
suddenly as though the holes had let in the water, audience shouting with
laughter when he sank. then you saw a lifeboat full of children with a
helicopter hovering over it. there was a middle-aged woman might have been
a jewess sitting up in the bow with a little boy about three years old in
her arms. little boy screaming with fright and hiding his head between her
breasts as if he was trying to burrow right into her and the woman putting
her arms round him and comforting him although she was blue with fright
herself, all the time covering him up as much as possible as if she thought
her arms could keep the bullets off him. then the helicopter planted a 20
kilo bomb in among them terrific flash and the boat went all to matchwood.
then there was a wonderful shot of a child's arm going up up up right up
into the air a helicopter with a camera in its nose must have followed it
up and there was a lot of applause from the party seats but a woman down in
the prole part of the house suddenly started kicking up a fuss and shouting
they didnt oughter of showed it not in front of kids they didnt it aint
right not in front of kids it aint until the police turned her turned her
out i dont suppose anything happened to her nobody cares what the proles
say typical prole reaction they never----
🤷 Propaganda makes people such stupid fucking savages.
I think the second issue Pinker identifies is a bigger deal than the first—that limiting your vocabulary limits your ability to think and that an idea can be made impossible by eliminating the words used to describe it.
Rob said...A printed encyclopedia was set, Wikipedia gets changed as often as someone with an agenda can get in to do it.
Yes, don’t let the voluminousness fool you. Wikipedia is the perfect vehicle for changing the past.
Dystopia is a fetus... feature of liberal progression with Diversity overtones.
"Today most of us rely on Wikipedia (despite its occasional errors and editing wars)"
If true then most of us are idiots.
Steve Pinker said…
“George Orwell would be relieved at how we’ve done/It’s common to suggest the great dystopian novel was full of warnings that have largely come true. But the evidence shows otherwise” (emphasis added)
George Orwell countered…
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
Hasn't it always been this way. Thucydides wrote anti-Theban propaganda. They were a bunch of motherfuckers according to him.......No one can predict the past. Grant has now become a good President and Wilson is now a bad one......As a general rule, people on the left get good press in their own era and perhaps for a generation or two afterwards. Sometimes, history catches up with them as with Lenin and Robespierre, but not all the time. Napoleon still seems absurdly overrated.
how does Autoincorrect fit into Thoughtcrime?
how long? before there are things you JUST CAN'T type?
12/7/25, 6:25 AM
It's going to be ducks all the way down.
More words but less “acceptable” ones allowed to be uttered. These are the received ideas curated by those chosen as the betters.
Repeating others a bit: Wikipedia is increasingly a huge pack of woke lies, and for now it takes a lot of words to counter all the non-woke words--great books, classic specialized texts and so on. Fewer people all the time remember what has been lost, and then fewer and fewer words will be needed.
The trans and CAGW agendas are perfect examples of two plus two equals five.
CAGW is about the future climate so it is more subtle. But all the past predictions of doom have been wildly wrong.
What the EU is trying to impress among the world
There is a replication crisis in peer-reviewed literature, climate science in particular has always been marbled with bullshit. This doesn't mean it's nothing but lies--that would be hard to achieve--odds and ends of facts add credibility. Once the dogma is accepted, it is reduced to simple minded advertising: "carbon credits." What is true about Covid is that virologists were trying to figure out how to cause a pandemic, and they probably succeeded. Something about it was probably an accident: they almost certainly didn't plan to kill so many people. They can't admit much of this, so they lie and cover up. Maintain the pretence that creating a somewhat artificial bug will help in predicting and preventing natural pandemics. And yes, this has been funded for military purposes.
It's not only Wikipedia that changes its entries to fit the desires of its propagandist editors. Venerable news sources can now publish outright lies, and only much later correct the online articles without apology or retraction. "We never said THAT. See!"
I looked up Pinker on Wikipedia.
“ He supports same-sex marriage, a universal basic income, the legalization of drugs, the taxation of carbon, and the abolition of capital punishment.[83] Pinker is a strong supporter of the Democratic Party.”
Professor?
are there words here that are banned to due thoughtcrime?
OR, is there only the ONE word that is banned as thoughtcrime?
Ironically, I just did that. I never said "reaction," I said "retraction."
Pinker's either an idiot or deliberately being disingenuous.
You don't even have to point to Wikipedia for evidence of leftist Orwellians creating a past that never existed in order to influence the present, and future.
Same-sex/transgender? Lose your Pro-Choice religion, your wicked exclusion. Civil unions for all consenting adults. #NoJudgment #NoLabels
George "Fentanyl" Floyd Syndrome? Transhumane. Diversitist, too.
Taxation of the Green blight of nonrenewable, unsustainable, unreliable energy converters.
Redistributive change? Progressive prices and taxation schemes are capital extraction a la slavery of Democratic past, present, and progressive.
Capitol punishment? Social justice? #HateLovesAbortion
Orwell recognized that semantic games and handmade tales are a fetus... feature of liberal progress with transhumane motives and DEIst tones.
“ George Orwell would be relieved at how we’ve done.”
He’d be shocked. It worked!
If not for Elon buying X, I do believe we'd be much futher into it by now. Actually, the EU is trying to fine Elon for not agreeing to censor X. And...in fact, if you look at how Western and Northern Europe are handling freedom of speech...well...I think Orwell would be disappointed- but not surprised- at how the EU leadership has used his book as an operation manual.
And honestly, I would not use the expansion of words used by Wikipedia as a guide for anything. Does it include multiple new pronouns? And every possible idiom of urban speak that can be squeezed into that format? Please. I'd rather point to the demolition and/or removal of historic statues here in the US during the Biden years- erasing history ala the Taliban and ISIS. With government approval. Or the destruction of classic art by climate cultists over in Europe.
Pinker must surely live in a cloistered monastery. How can he not see where we are today?
There's a state security camera pointing DIRECTLY at George Orwell's former home in London.
You know, in case anybody posts something on Facebook and needs to get arrested.
No American should ever die ever again for that piece of shit island, who's inhabitants should be following the example of Paul Revere and George Washington in dealing with their leaders.
Newspeak:
Gender Affirming Care, not Gender Altering Intervention
Inflation Reduction Act, not Inflation Creation Act
Safest, Most Secure Election Ever, not Unauditable Massive Spike in Votes
etc, etc, etc
It was a warning not meant to be a how to manual
In the novel 1984, the mythical London Times (controlled by the party) would be making the same argument. Hey, we have more info available then ever. Count the books. Count the newspaper pages.
AI is all about control. Google crippling its own search engine is all about control. "The Party" which today is just the financial elite which controls the press, the internet, and book publishing, always hated the internet. Antisemitism, racism, homophobia, aka anything they didn't like.
Look at the brits putting people in jail for tweets. Look at the EU Fining musk 120 million Euros because he doesn't censor enough. In the USA they have to be more clever. But they're centralizing and shutting off the free flow of information.
The ideal is to go back to the old days. Top down information flow. 3 networks. A few Big NYC publishers. 20 top magazines. A handful in NYC and LA controlling everything. And people just accepting it. They decide. You consume.
Yes that was very stupid on pinkers part
Pinker misses the forest for the trees.
Perhaps because he doesn't live in Orwell's home country.
Why did he write in on a isolated greek island as he faced dearh
And yet, it is so much harder to find information - data on the internet is not information. The vast majority of information on the internet is cherry-picked data.
Furthermore, it’s easier to find someone/something to confirm our own distorted biases.
If we look at the increase (sic) in language, it’s doesn’t appear to be a language, but more of documentation of trendy slang - in an effort to remain relevant, as well as a distortion of existing language.
https://x.com/TonySeruga/status/1997520163210695128
I was once grossly optimistic about the internet--Everybody can bypass the censors and get their message out! The true public square. Like the former USSR was going to be when the wall came down.
What Musk and Taibbi exposed--shadow-banning, stealth editing, omnipresent monitoring, targeted algorithms--reveals that the controllers never sleep.
Although without the internet none of us would know about it.
Pinker is an ass. Take a long sheet of paper with 2 columns. On the left, list the attributes of modern society that conform with 1984, on the right, list those that don't. The list on the left will be far longer; we have more similarities than differences. You can test this by marking those items on the right that have been under assault, or legal attack, or activist attack, because these are next.
We have people being arrested for their Mean Tweets and thrown in jail, we have political candidates being prosecuted in order to get them off the ballot. Pinker wants us to think we have made good progress because the state-controlled, institutional brainwashing hasn't started yet. They
re saving the rats for last - that's progress.
Pinker is an establishment clown. Per wikipedia
"His brother, Robert, worked for the Canadian government for several decades as an administrator and a policy analyst, while his sister, Susan Pinker, is a psychologist and writer who authored The Sexual Paradox and The Village Effect.
Susan is also a columnist for The Wall Street Journal"
Yeah, I bet there was nobody else in the USA, who could write a column other than Susan Pinker.
I'm certainly not politically aligned with Pinker, but he can't be dismissed as an idiot. He has written some very interesting and intelligent books. He's quite impressive.
Since the “occasional errors” in Wikipedia go only in the direction Pinker would like to see them go, it’s amazing he is aware of them at all.
I read an article last month where a teachers’ union official was excited about not teaching facts. She envisioned people not having to know things but just looking them up online. Given the edits (always in one direction, apparently) on sources like Wikipedia and AI’s “hallucinations” (AKA lies), Orwell’s Ministry of Truth would completely agree with this idea. Those who control online content get to control “the truth”.
Pinker is a fool in this particular instance- you can control thought with a blizzard of new words, too. I think Orwell would laugh derisively while reading that essay.
Pinker has written lots of stuff that I enjoyed and admired. Lately, he's become Dr. Pangloss for the 21st century. I hope he's right. But his knee jerk optimism is uninformative.
Old and slow said...
“I'm certainly not politically aligned with Pinker, but he can't be dismissed as an idiot. He has written some very interesting and intelligent books.
George Orwell countered…
“There are some ideas so absurd that only an intellectual could believe them.”
Intelligence and stupidity are not necessarily antonyms. Sometimes the first is needed for the second. Some very smart people have said some very stupid things. And what Pinker has written in this case is absurdly wrong.
In this case you can say what he said is “fucking stupid” because variations of his central theme seem to be multiplying like rabbits on social media and news outlets.
To misunderstand orwell in this way, is agregious and if he does it intentionally its worse
How oceania came to be built under circumstances less agregious than the apocalyptic conditions orwell envisaged
Scott Jennings SO Drops the MIC on Axios for WHINING About the Right Using Racist, Dehumanizing Rhetoric – Twitchy https://share.google/kiZGaIOc1ToJOqZaf
Lloyd W Robertson,
> they almost certainly didn't plan
> to kill so many people.
Your certainty about this comes from what evidence, precisely?
My own take is that at least some of the top people intended exactly that: Sterilization, reduction in fertility, or just up and dying... All in service of the "Earth is vastly overpopulated" narrative, which itself is in service of putting or keeping the globalists in power. Some of the others probably actually believe that bullshit narrative.
If blofeld were starting today (some might say he started 50 yesrs ago in geneva) how would he do anything different
All the things that wef has promoted specially in the last ge eration
The lockdowns free speech codes
“ This logarithmic graph shows that in 1948, the Encyclopaedia Britannica was about 29,000 pages. Its final printed edition, in 2010, had 33,000. Today most of us rely on Wikipedia (despite its occasional errors and editing wars), which as of last year had the equivalent of 3.2 million Britannica pages, a hundredfold increase”
To equate pages in the dictionary with pages of Wikipedia is completely wrong. There is no comparison in density of language. To say that the above quote demonstrates a 100 times increase in English vocabulary is so wrong that it is stupid.
Number of entries would prove the point (also the way data is dtermined is different)
One of Pinker's big ideas is that the world has gotten safer and more peaceful over time. After the horrors of the 20th century, sure. But is the diminution of violence a straight line progression or long periods of relative peace interrupted by spasms of horrendous carnage?
We can argue over Orwell was a prophet, but he was also depicting extreme cases (and horrors from the recent past) to make a powerful impression on people. You can say, hey today's world isn't that bad, or you can look at the ways in which our world has become or could become more like Orwell's novel. In that sense, he's still a prophet.
"Today most of us rely on Wikipedia ...".
For a smart guy, Pinker is awfully stupid.
gilbar said...
"Professor?
are there words here that are banned to due thoughtcrime?
OR, is there only the ONE word that is banned as thoughtcrime?"
No, no! There's a list!
She's got a little list, and they never will be missed.
No, they never will be missed!
Maybe Althouse could write a children's alphabet book;
A is for A-word, you'll never guess it.
B is the B-word, don't try to undress it.
C is the C-word, the gals can't abide it.
D is for Donkey, no need to hide it.
E is acceptable, feel free to choose it.
F, once again, is verboten. Don't use it!
Of course, it would need to be continually updated, like Wikipedia. But hey. We have the technology.
Are we to get from this that Pinker and the London Times claim the is no “diminution of human liberty” going on in Britain? Good to know. /s
"To misunderstand orwell in this way, is agregious and if he does it intentionally its worse"
He doesn't misunderstand it, he sees it as a how-to.
https://x.com/CanadaFP/status/1997006301541343696
Remember Canadians *other* governments hide tweets so "be careful what you share!"
You tell me how this tweet makes sense, I guess since they are Canadians, it's a "chirp," or at least that's what they call trash talk in the NHL.
I think we live in Brave New World rather than 1984. They did have a cognitive elite who discouraged access to any information not produced by them so the censorship is there along with euthanasia, enforced sexualization of children, the destruction of the family, the mainstreaming of pornography, and fiddling with people's hormones. He missed transexuals somehow.
"Right-wingers branded danger to children
Safeguarding concerns being used to ‘silence’ people who speak out over illegal immigration"
A former Royal Marine has been banned from working with children after he protested against illegal migrants, The Telegraph can disclose.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/12/07/right-wingers-branded-danger-to-children/
"Macron under fire over ‘Ministry of Truth’
French president accused of ‘Orwellian’ move in attempt to control the media"
Emmanuel Macron is facing a backlash from broadcasters and rival parties over a proposal to certify “serious” news outlets..
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/12/07/macron-under-fire-ministry-of-truth/
I could do this all night.
https://x.com/PirateWires/status/1902077247928050168
New reporting from @AshleyRindsberg
Snopes and Politifact used accusations of right\-wing conspiracy theories to shut down reporting on a scandal that could have upended Ilhan Omar’s career and seriously damaged the credibility of "The Squad\."
Here's how bad things are in the UK. I guy just got sentenced to 20 months for tweets. But reading the details its like 30s Stalinist USSR, with informers trying to get 'wreckers' put in prison.
"The posts, made in September and October last year, are still visible on the site, and the court heard Morgan [the man sentenced to 20 months is jail] was reported to police by Jewish X user Caroline Ost, who testified against him, WalesOnline reported.
Ms Ost told the court that she reported the posts to X, and her local MP, but when they were not removed she went to police “in desperation”. She then discovered that another Jewish X user Mr. Morris, had been trying to get Morgan arrested for more than a year.
Mr Morris complained that South Wales Police first advised him “not to look at the posts and not to get wound up by online jokes”, but that Morgan was finally charged after Counter Terrorism Policing Wales became involved."
All that's missing is the NVKD murder squads headed by Yogoda.
Airship one doesnt dissapoint
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Keir Stamers past just got dirtier ( if that's possible) while he's been flogging Nigel Farage for his teenage so called racism , Cold war files show him at 23 in a Communist work camp , editing Trotsky newspapers and fliers and cosying up to Soviet propaganda friends ! PROPER DODGY ROOTS! So teenager supposedly saying a racist remark , or active Communist ? POT KETTLE comes to mind!
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