"... reading the testimony of Anouska De Georgiou, who told the court... 'loss of innocence, trust and joy is not recoverable.' Or Teala Davies, who testified: 'I’m still a victim because I am fearful for my daughters and everyone’s daughters. I’m fearful for their future in this world where there are predators in power, a world where people can avoid justice if their pockets run deep enough.'... Their pain matters. Their names matter. We should not co-opt their suffering for our own agenda. We should not value our schadenfreude more than their courage."
Writes Jennifer Weiner, in "Endless Gossipy Chatter About Epstein. One Glaring Omission" (NYT).
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Weiner and Epstein apparently think the answer is "evil," n.n.
“I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side." ~ Donald Trump
Jennifer Weiner, the "chick lit" novelist? Does this op-ed qualify as "hex lit" or "bad dick lit"? Speaking of bad dicks, interesting speculations in the NY Post about Epstein's?
To be fair to evil, a disparate perspective and fitness function. All's fair in lust and so on and so forth.
It’s beginning to dawn on Ms. Weiner that with Trump there is no there there in the Epstein scandal.
Kathyrn Ruemmler is the Chief Legal Counsel for Goldman Sach and on the Reputional Risk Committee.
If she's not fired by the end of the week, we will know for sure that this Epstein thing is a scam.
You voted for the epstein party toots
Kak immediately demonstrates why half our political culture is not mature enough to handle anything important.
Weve heard of alex acosta how about cy vance who also ruled the roost or alex iglesias the us atty in new mexico who was regarded as a hero because W!
Since Bich is still pushing that decade old quite I feel confident in saying other than the 'birthday card", nobody in the DNC-adjacent media found any communication between Trump and Epstein, instead of just comments the two made about each other.
kak - why did bill Clinton invite Jeffrey Epstein to the White House?
Ah, the nasty shiksa-hater speaks. This professional Christian-female hater actually blames non-Jewish women for her fat hips in one particularly nasty novel. I guess her prejudice sells to some select group of chubby superiorists. Who cares what the hag thinks of Epstein? That he didn't want her?
This has the feeling of a massive distraction that is near exhaustion, but I think it's just the beginning of the shark jumping.
Imagine this thin gruel of 'two minute hate' that Times readers feast on
The grab em by the pussy quote - Noted: all the loyal democratic leftist writers leave out "They let you" - grab em by the pussy"
Also - Trump was a private citizen back then and none of his words are proof he partook in Epstein's sex abuse ring.
The author at the NYT also leaves out the part where Ms. Guiffrey says Trump always treated her with kindness and never harmed her.
Shorter NYT - Trump was the real rapist! -& ' how dare you mention the democrats involved - your focus should be only Trump and the victims.'
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The NYT is shit.
Damned article is behind a paywall. Can I infer that at least one writer for the Times is finally ready to concede that the Epstein files will not meet their infantile need for a silver bullet to bring down Trump, and that behind the big names in the files are the names of victims whose lives have been forever ruined — and thanks to Democrats these victims’ names are splashed out on searchable media for the whole world to see?
Narciso's link -
A democrat was texting Epstein in real time in an effort to harm Trump. LOL. You cannot make that up.
"If you’ve been reading the Jeffrey Epstein emails or following the discussions about them, there are names you’re probably seeing: Michael Wolff, Peter Thiel, Larry Summers, Noam Chomsky, the commoner formerly known as Prince Andrew, Peggy Siegal, Kathryn Ruemmler, Deepak Chopra. Politicians and celebrities, business leaders and academics, friends and frenemies — a boldfaced roster of the famous and the infamous who corresponded with the convicted sex offender, attended his dinner parties or sought his counsel.
There are other names you might not be seeing at all: Courtney Wild, Rachel Benavidez, Michelle Licata, Maria Farmer, Annie Farmer, Liz Stein, Jess Michaels, Marina Lacerda, Danielle Bensky, Anouska De Georgiou, Shawna Rivera. Those are some of Jeffrey Epstein’s victims, scores of whom have come forward and accused Mr. Epstein of sexually abusing them.
The women’s names have been redacted from the 20,000 pages of documents that Congress released last week. But often no redaction was necessary, because there’s no name to be covered up. In Mr. Epstein’s world, and in his gossipy, elliptical, frequently misspelled correspondence, women were often described by categories: “hawain tropic girl,” “my 20 year old girlfriend in 93,, that after two years i gave to donald,” “girls in bikinis” or, simply, “the girls,” as in, Trump “knew about the girls.” In her memoir, Virginia Roberts Giuffre, the best known of Mr. Epstein’s survivors, wrote that he “liked to tell friends that women were merely ‘a life-support system for a vagina.’” Twenty years after Mr. Trump mused about grabbing women by the genitals, Mr. Epstein’s emails are an unwelcome reminder of how some powerful men think and talk about women.
Mr. Trump’s base spent more than a year calling for the government to release its files on Mr. Epstein, in large part because the base thought they would expose powerful Democrats. Now Democrats are picking through the tranche looking for something damning about Mr. Trump."
Yes, a woman will let you grab her by the pussy, which is reciprocated when she grabs him by the penis, in what is ideally a consensual dance of natural orthodoxy and our Posterity. Religious extremism at its most viable fitness level.
It's becoming clear that this is not about the sex, but about the money. International money laundering, weapons sales, etc. And the abrupt 180 by Trump, Bondi, Patel, Bongino can lead any reasonable person to suspect that it's really about Israel. For what policy concern could cause this dramatic shift in behavior?
Big Mike ☝️ copy and pasted the first portion
MAGA was not looking nor hoping for #MeToo etc, but rather to mitigate the progress of the pedo leg of the liberal triad with collateral damage
"...One glaring omission.."
I'm betting insider baseball says that they used those words to entice people to read through the article, in disbelief that Donald Trump has not been directly linked to the abuse of pubescent girls, kidnapped and trafficked on Little St. James. Well, they haven't found him yet, but they can still insert the All Purpose Quote about pussy-grabbing, just to make sure you haven't forgotten to refresh those links, at least in your mind.
What is the omission? We haven't heard about the victims. That's funny, I thought this was all about politics, but now the NYT, finding too many team players from one side being mentioned, wants to change the game to 'protecting the victims', because when it comes to exposing the Epstein files, 'it's not about politics'.
You heard it here, first, folks. Suddenly, we must protect the sullied virgins.
"...We should not co-opt their suffering for our own agenda. We should not value our schadenfreude more than their courage."
Translation: Just ignore all those Democrat names in the files.
It's about nondiscrimination for sexual orientation #NoJudgment #NoLabels, and obliquely, tangentially Obama's Iran-Hamas Affair and the genocidal ambitions of ethnic Springs.
Which was standard procedure at the House of Lauer and Moonves (which jen seems to have forgotten)
There is no Jim Comey indictment.
That’s because, rather than re-presenting the case after the grand jury no-billed on one count, Lindsey Halligan never re-presented the remaining two counts.
That's it. I'm not voting for Trump again.
As usual brundle doesnt know what hes talking about
Maybe the release of the files will show me how the adult women involved were "victims" because so far I'm not seeing it.
Again - the Harassment addicted cultist D-left - use Trump quotes that are not related to Epstein - to weave something desperate.
Also - the left always allowed Bill Clinton's sexual behavior.
Any sex on the left - including two democratics proudly self-filming butt-fucking inside a senate chamber = all A-OK!
Epstein's accusers – some as young as 14 years old at the time of their abuse
It depends on how you define is... I mean, child. A fetus... feature of religion... law, or something intrinsic, innate to the human condition.
Odd how no one used the new statute if limitations against any of those figures including charlie rose
The Epstein victims are like the 9/11 widows -- insufferable.
via Insty:
TDS IS REAL… REAL EXPENSIVE: ‘What has Become of Us’: Rosie O’Donnell May Have Just Handed Trump a Golden Defamation Lawsuit. “I have previously expressed skepticism over some defamation cases against the media brought by President Donald Trump under existing case law. However, comedian Rosie O’Donnell may have supplied the President with a another defamation case if she cannot back up sensational claims made against the President to her 2.9 million TikTok followers. She states as a fact that the President is an ‘adjudicated rapist’ and settled child abuse cases.”
hmmmm.
kak - why did bill Clinton invite Jeffrey Epstein to the White House?
Epstein was introduced to Clinton through a shadowy guy named "Mark Middleton." He killed himself like Vince Foster.
Did you know that Trump rode on Lolita Express to Washington D.C. with Epstein and Middleton? <a href="https://www.epsteinarchive.org/docs/flight-logs/>May 15, 1994.</a> (Page 27 if you want to see for yourself.)
Spiros - Oh do F off.
Epstein's victims had agency. They could leave at any time.
Many chose to stay - because of MONEY.
9/11 victims - are all ACTUAL REAL victims - because radical Islamic murder crushed and stole their lives.
Your favorite theater Kid Komrade Mamdamni loves him some radical Islam. His poor auntie lived in fear! ...
Maybe the release of the files will show me how the adult women involved were "victims" because so far I'm not seeing it.
I actually have had the same thought - did Epstein kidnap women and forcibly bring them to the island, did he refuse to let them leave and post guards to ensure that they remained? Not trying to be critical of the women involved, I really have not seen specifically what Epstein is said to have done here. Obviously a different story with underage girls.
DD Driver - Did you know that Bill Clinton flew to Little Lolita Island with Epstein?
Students with a flair for close, textual analysis will notice that she doesn't actually accuse Trump of being a participant in the activities, but other readers not so much.......Some of these girls had a bad time. I thought that they had got the Charley Rose treatment but at a much younger age. I was under the impression that they mostly gave hand jobs to VIP's on a tropical island, but the nastier activities were not given much publicity. Was that part of the cover up.......My sympathies are with the girls and not their abusers, but here's the plus side for them: They got abused by rich, important white men and they can thus fairly demonize their abusers. Those girls who in England who were beaten, gang raped, and pimped out by Muslim gangs have to be circumspect in their criticism lest they be accused of racism. And they don't get to sue for millions or read sympathetic columns about their plight by the likes of Weiner.
No one on the left is discussing Hakeem Jeffries financial connections to Epstein.
Wonder why?
The files involves very senior Democrats, we all know who they are because they've been in the news. I don't think the Epstein files are a simple Trump problem. They're an American elite problem.
The pain is greatest where there are deep pockets.
Elements of the "Free Love" generation and the "It's only sex" generation seem to have turned towards a Puritanism we haven't seen since they stopped hanging witches in Massachusetts.
But perhaps I overstate the case.
No doubt there are some "bullets" in the Epstein files. So far they seem to be hitting mostly Democrats. Does Hakeem Jeffries have some 'splainin to do?
DD Driver - Did you know that Bill Clinton flew to Little Lolita Island with Epstein?
I actually do not know that, but I wouldn't be surprised. Why do you think I care, though? I hate Democrats far more than I hate the GOP.
I not a partisan piss-garbler like every other Althouse commentor. I just want pedos to face justice. I literally do not care which party they belong to. Why is that so hard to grasp? Derp.
What the fuck in wrong with the country when girl get raped and the only thing you fucknuts care about is the political affiliation of the perps. You are a bunch of sick fucks, Your souls are rotten. Democrats. Republicans. All of you. Sick fucks.
DD - Really tired. You and your party(D) are the sick twisted a-holes who lie and skip past the real victims.
Strange how Democrats don't know that Bill Clinton flew to Epstein Island 26 times.
See how it works DD Driver? You're either with them or you're with the terrorists. No one can have principles or an original thought that diverges from the Party. That''s how you know the point for Peachy is the fascism.
Whether or not Clinton (or Trump) visited the Island does not settle the question whether Epstein hooked them up with special massages. Let's not act like the *only* place that kids were abused was the Virgin Island. The original prosecution involved rape that happen in Florida.
"Strange how Democrats don't know that Bill Clinton flew to Epstein Island 26 times."
Citations please.
I guess the democrats are finally realizing that's there's nothing in the Epstein files that will derail Trump so after spilling a lot of ink and pixels hyping the document release, they are trying to change the subject.
The goalposts are being moved. Quelle surprise!
“We should not value our schadenfreude more than their courage."
If that is so, where was #MeToo when these women needed it?
I’m just saying.
Why do you think I care, though?
Because you keep posting about Trump and Epstein, trying to push it forward as if there is a connection to "all the raping." Because you are sick. You are disgusting. You love the politics but not justice for the victims.
Like posting links with "(page 26)" because what? Because you don't care who was with Epstein? Well, methinks the dude with 3 initials protests he careth not too much.
Because you keep posting about Trump and Epstein, trying to push it forward as if there is a connection to "all the raping."
Why does caring about Trump burying his head in the sand while his rich friends rape young girls mean that I don't want to see Clinton brought to justice?
Help me understand. Why is this mutually exclusive? I want everyone to be brought to justice. Derp. I have specifically called out Bill Clinton and Bill Gates as two guys that investigators need to look at.
I WANT Bill Clinton to go to jail if he is proven to be involved. Derp.
"Kakistocracy said...
The files involves very senior Democrats, we all know who they are because they've been in the news. I don't think the Epstein files are a simple Trump problem. They're an American elite problem."
So close Kak.
Like posting links with "(page 26)" because what? Because you don't care who was with Epstein? Well, methinks the dude with 3 initials protests he careth not too much.
Let me be perfectly clear: if Democrats go to jail, I think that's fantastic!
Interestingly burns went to epstein in order to get the carnegie foundation gig
DD
"Former President Bill Clinton was a much more frequent flyer on a registered sex offender’s infamous jet than previously reported, with flight logs showing the former president taking at least 26 trips aboard the “Lolita Express” -- even apparently ditching his Secret Service detail for at least five of the flights, according to records obtained by FoxNews.com.
Clinton’s presence aboard Jeffrey Epstein’s Boeing 727 on 11 occasions has been reported, but flight logs show the number is more than double that, and trips between 2001 and 2003 included extended junkets around the world with Epstein and fellow passengers identified on manifests by their initials or first names, including “Tatiana.” The tricked-out jet earned its Nabakov-inspired nickname because it was reportedly outfitted with a bed where passengers had group sex with young girls."
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"The logs showed Clinton took at least 26 flights, not 11 as first believed, aboard financier Jeffrey Epstein’s Boeing 727 jet between 2001 and 2003, the first two years he was out of office. The former president took at least five of those flights without his Secret Service detail, FoxNews.com reported.
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DD--you are the sicko who, two days after being forced to concede that Trump's only connection with Mark Middleton was that Trump, along with his wife Marla Maples, hitched a ride on Epstein's jet from Palm Beach to Teterboro in 1994, try once again to milk that alleged "connection" to smear Trump. Glass houses, dude.
And didnt ask any questions and they didnt ask him any question when he was up for cia director
BTW - flying on Epstein's plane does not offer up proof of sex abuse.
But it potentially smells bad.
And if you eager to blame Trump leftists - are going to jump to conclusions - you cannot leave out Bill Clinton.
’They're an American elite problem.’
Kak has received the updated chip implant. lol
As just so we all remember: during the timeframe we are talking about Bill Clinton and Donald Trump were friends! Bringing up Bill Clinton is not the ace in a hole argument that you think it is. Bubba and Donnie were chums!
Why does Trump have so many dirtbag friends? How many of your close friends have been accused of rape? Trump has three (Bill Clinton, Epstein, and P. Diddy) that we know of. That's wild.
Bill Clinton flew on Epstein's' plane without his security detail.,
hmmm.
Now - you leftists don't have any questions or hyped up rage, do you?
DD - really - you're spinning. You look silly. Stop.
shjorter DD -
'Scumbag Trump was friends with Bill - proves Trump is a scumbag!
LOL
But it's OK for Bill to be friends with Trump. LOL.
@Peachy Everyone knows that Clinton (like Trump) rode around on Lolita Express. You said Clinton had been to the Island 26 times! I'm waiting for the citation or for you to correct your statement.
To the best of my knowledge there is no evidence that Clinton nor Trump went to the Island.
Well youve proven your ignorance so theres your card
BTW - flying on Epstein's plane does not offer up proof of sex abuse.
But it potentially smells bad.
"Potentially." 🤦♂️
DD - You're proclaiming guilt and rape at every turn.. You are calling Trump a Rapist. ... Without proof.
So what is your point?
it's only potential crime if it's a democratic?
But it's OK for Bill to be friends with Trump. LOL.
I think Clinton probably belongs in jail, which makes three of Trump's friends that would be in prison for rape or sex trafficking. A fourth one "killed himself awaiting trial." Your hero has some shady pals. Does that matter? It matters when you think "the other guy" has sketchy friends in his past.
Obama used to pal around with terrorists. I think its fair to ask him questions about it. Trump loved to pal around with rapists and pedos. It's fair to ask him questions about it.
DD - You're proclaiming guilt and rape at every turn.. You are calling Trump a Rapist. ... Without proof.
Show me where I said this. Derp.
Bill Clinton has an actual rape history... He partook in risky behavior and had sexual cigar and blowjobs w/young intern in the White House.
But it's a stretch to think that Bill had sex with females on Epstein's plane.
I love the smell of lefty desperation in the morning. It smells like .... victory!
Bill clinton normalized weinstein epstein probably propped up madoff
Btw the fellow that platformed obama bill ayers is certainly a major figure in the global terrorist front (ante fa)
I thought that was a really good editorial.
But I'm also tired of hearing this narrative of how sex is men victimizing women. Feminists are always talking about "autonomy" but rarely do they seem to mean it. How helpless were these girls? Could you not walk away?
Children, of course, have less autonomy than adults. And Epstein was a pedophile. But my sympathy kinda runs out when a 20-year-old is complaining about her life of prostitution. Take responsibility for your life.
You cant shame these people enough they were either oblivious or they enabled epstein
Now as to actual evidence rather than hearsay weve had entirely too much of that
I take issue with the idea that trust and joy are not recoverable. Can we dispense with the idea of a 'ruined' woman who can't recover from assault - ever?
Despite that, Mr. Epstein’s survivors have displayed tremendous courage.
It's annoying how liberals pretend like prostitutes do not have free will. You talk about "survivors" like they were in a life-threatening situation. Were they? How many of these girls were murdered like Epstein?
And how much courage does it take to go public after Epstein has been killed, and all the crimes are known about? The real courageous ones were the women who reported these atrocities to the police and tried to save the children, many years ago. Who are those women? I'd like to hear those stories.
Males will always be attracted to females. Nature says so. It's a survial thing. Younger, more attractive females hold the upper hand. It's a fertility thing.
Females are an equal but unequal part of this equation. If she has youth and beauty, she can choose the most "attractive" boy toy BUT, something often tells her to choose the male with the most power, since he is the one who can meet her needs AND protect her from all those other lecherous bastards.
Then came feminism and militant feminism and lawyers and political leverage - even office-holding!
So, here we are. Guys are looking for better female robots and women are looking for science that promises motherhood without men.
It's not nice to fuck with Mother Nature.
Shouldn't the focus be on the rich and famous victims of Epstein's honey trap? His enablers and intelligence handlers? No new names have surfaced. I doubt we'll see too many new ones after the release of the redacted files
’His enablers and intelligence handlers?’
Not sure everybody caught an important part of the release: everything but the classified portions. Classified? Well, thanks for verifying that Epstein was an intelligence asset. I guess we’ll never know if he was controlled by foreign services and/or our own spooks. As Kenny Rogers sang: tell it all, brother - before we fall.
Only D.D. Driver is pure.
Only D.D. Drive is not guilty.
Only D.D. Driver is worthy.
Only D.D. Driver is laudable.
Only D.D. Driver is truthful.
Only D.D. Driver is healthy.
Only D.D. Driver knows shit from shinola.
Move over Jesus, the real savior has come.
D.D. Driver said...
"@Peachy Everyone knows that Clinton (like Trump) rode around on Lolita Express. You said Clinton had been to the Island 26 times! I'm waiting for the citation or for you to correct your statement."
It's on the flight logs. It's a slog, but Clinton is on there.
It's on the flight logs. It's a slog, but Clinton is on there.
Clinton is on the flight logs but not to the Island. Same as Trump. That's what this is about. Peachy says it's not big deal that Trump rode around Lolita Express with Clintonian Swamp Creatures because Bill Clinton "has been to the Island 26 times." The logical does not follow but even if it did its not proven.
Just because Clinton is a bigger scum doesn't mean Trump is not a piece of human garbage in his own respect. But, there is no evidence that Clinton was on the Island. Just like there is no evidence that Trump was on the Island.
@Quaestor Not pure. Just consistent. Everyone here would be pissing themselves if Hunter Biden were accused of the things Trump is accused of and all of you little fucktwats know in your hearts that is true. Making excuses for pedos is a new low. Pepperidge Farms remembers.
’…doesn't mean Trump is not a piece of human garbage in his own respect.’
Interesting how a ‘piece of human garbage’ has such decent children. Compare and contrast to actual white trash such as the Bidens and their progeny.
"Why does Trump have so many dirtbag friends?"
Good question. Because until 2015 or so, he was just a wealthy New York Democrat. Christ, Roy Cohn was his "mentor".
I would compare the Bidens to the Snopes clan from Faulkner, except even the Snopeses didn't molest their own young kinfolk.
Oh, that's right, nobody here supported Biden, that was all of the other Democrats.
They havent put up the data base yet hold your horses
More like the clan in sin city headed by powers boothe
Interesting how a ‘piece of human garbage’ has such decent children.
Oh for fucks sake. The family of cryprogrifters?!?! Invanka is married in a literal crime family. Have you read about the Kiushners? Did you know papa Kushner was convicted for sexually blackmailing his brother-in-law?
Trump pardoned him and made him and ambassador because of course Trump did.
The Trump kids are fucking scumbags like daddy.
Maybe a little like noah cross of china town fame
This is where I remind you that Don Junior left his wife and five kids so he could go fuck Gavin Newsome's ex. What a "decent" person. 🤮
Shows how he feels about france nixon sent annenberg who ran the mobs wire service to london now the source of the annemberg center behind politifacts were all grown ups here
They really work to protect the clintons and their media corporate enablers dont they
’The Trump kids are fucking scumbags like daddy.’
People get divorced, or maybe you haven’t heard. And I don’t care about the in-laws. Biden showered with his teenage daughter, they have a grandchild they’ve disavowed, and Hunter documented both his crack addiction and his abuse of underage hookers. Get a grip.
He thinks this is some kind of argument
DeeDee off “his” meds…
When has he been on them
People get divorced, or maybe you haven’t heard.
Trumps and Bidens get divorced more than most. Donnie cheated on every wife he had. Don Junior is chip off the ol' don. Don Junior didn't just "get divorced": he left his wife and five kids to go and fuck Kimberly Gilfoyle (Gavin Newsome's ex wife).
I wondered how “decent” the three kids could be to let their father bury their mother in the back forty of his golf course and let her grave become grown over with weeds and high grass and no marker for over a year or two.
Some brought the extra bag of stupid pills
“When has he been on them?”
Before he lucked out and got his Door Dash Driver gig, narciso. The suspicion is that DeeDee stopped them to clean up for his urine test.
Ah reid hoffman another slithy tove behind the phony carroll charge
https://share.google/pYGokDrDHV14jgTET
I wondered how “decent” the three kids could be to let their father bury their mother in the back forty of his golf course
I wonder how "decent" it is that Igna's retirement saw the death rate at her hospital plummet. Coincidence?
Who knows? Maybe we should get Mueller to investigate.
Maybe Maynard could stop molesting his wife’s daughter. That would be the decent thing to do.
Inga, Trump buried Ivana at his golf site so he can get tax benefits (cemetery land is exempt from various taxes). Also, the liberals would have desecrated her burial site if it was anywhere else.
Shut up piggy!
“Shut up piggy!”
That’s what Maynard whispers to his wife’s daughter while molesting her.
Hag ‘n’ igna: two pigs not worth a poke. Allegedly.
Did Trump call a female reporter "Piggy"? Or did he call a reporter by her name, which is Peggy? Grok, as reported on Twitter says it was the latter: link.
“Did Trump call a female reporter "Piggy"? Or did he call a reporter by her name, which is Peggy? Grok, as reported on Twitter says it was the latter: link.”
The Bloomberg reporter Trump called “piggy” is named Catherine Lucey.
https://people.com/who-is-catherine-lucey-11852709
the back forty of his golf course
Is this an 80-hole golf course?
They got him* this time! *Larry Summers.
https://share.google/g7rhEdzjRZmj1V0c9
Just another wall street journal hack
Um, something doesn't add up here. Calling an obviously thin person (Ms. Lucey) "Piggy" is not an insult and doesn't make any sense. Dr. Weevil's link says its a different person, whose name/nickname is in fact "Peggy." That seems to make more sense. Why would Trump, even if he wanted to be rude, call a thin person "Piggy?"
Do you ever ask yourself about such things, Inga?
Wow. I remember Inga claiming multiple times how much more righteous and Christian she is than us Maga folks. And then I read her abuse towards Maynard.
And I remember that Althouse banned Inga multiple times for a reason. Looks like it's time to do it again! I hope Meade or Althouse reads this thread.
They got nuthing and they are happy for it
And it's funny how not a single leftist is mad about Bill and Hillary and Larry Summers and all the rest with Epstein. Sure, like DD Driver they say "I want them in jail" but they never show any outrage at all unless pressed. It's always "Yes Democrats did something wrong but we got to hang evil Trump after shooting him first... no need for a trial! He's guilty guilty guilty and no evidence needed for me to spend acres of posts decrying the most evil human ever!!!! REEEEEEE!"
After all, Democrats love it when their boys rape women and children. Just ask Mary Jo Kopechne and the women Bill Clinton had the Arkansas state police bring to his bedroom.... something Democrats love.
Well they are mad its get in their way of going after the President if they accuse you of something they are guilty of ot 10 fold
She was being "piggish" in trying to crowd in another question while he was still answering the previous one.
She's skinny, but I just imagine that standing in front of that gaggle while they shout and fight to get picked for a question while shoving their phones at him must look a lot like pigs feeding at the trough.
“Wow. I remember Inga claiming multiple times how much more righteous and Christian she is than us Maga folks. And then I read her abuse towards Maynard.”
I never claimed to be a better Christian than MAGA folks, that would be unChristian. As for Maynard, he is a creep of the lowest order who has said disgusting and vulgar sexual things to me over the years, even when he was “Francisco D”. Then when he changed his nom de plume to Maynard he said the exact same vulgar sexual thing to me. This past year, as “Maynard” he doesn’t do the sexual harassment anymore, but he does make a point to wait for me to comment and within minutes he says something as vile as he did here on this thread at the 4:21 mark. If I EVER say anything to this disgusting man, it’s a retaliatory comment to his.
So, you silly man, stop whining like a little bitch about me being mean to a sexual harasser and creep like Maynard, or maybe you feel some affinity to him?
And here's a picture of Peggy (link), who is another Bloomberg reporter. Even if it was a non-Peggy who was being rude, he may have mixed up two Bloomberg women, or they both may have been there and talking at the same time. Anyone who insists it was not Peggy, it was "Piggy", as an absolute fact, needs to answer the question "Were you there, Pissy?".
I included a summary of her work, miss lucey (in sotto voce) cheered the campaign of destruction against elon thats all i nedd to know about her
“The Bloomberg reporter that President Donald Trump referred to as “piggy” was Catherine Lucey, his White House correspondent.
On November 14, 2025, during a press gaggle aboard Air Force One while traveling to Mar-a-Lago, Lucey asked Trump about newly released Jeffrey Epstein files and why he opposed their full disclosure if nothing incriminating was involved. Trump interrupted her, pointed at her, and said, “Quiet. Quiet, piggy,” before moving on to another reporter. The exchange, which drew widespread criticism for being demeaning toward a female journalist, was first reported by CBS News’ Jennifer Jacobs without naming Lucey and later confirmed across multiple outlets.”
Grok
How helpless were these girls? Could you not walk away?
@Saint Croix, that would be a big “NO.” The girls were on a small island (Little St. James). They could perhaps swim, but the nearest land is another island — St. Thomas in the US Virgin Islands (USVI), and the evident relationship between Epstein and the USVI nonvoting representative to Congress is evidence that a girl escaping from Little St. James could not count on succor from USVI officialdom. Would an escapee have the money to fly home? She sure as Hell couldn’t swim from St. Thomas to Florida.
“The Trump kids are fucking scumbags like daddy.”
We spend part of the year where that might get the shit beat out of you. For saying that. Because they know the older Trump boys, and you don’t. And esp don’t diss Jr during the SHOT show (in Las Vegas). While Eric shoots, it is Jr who is the serious gun nut. Met a guy there who built him a full custom hunting rifle, gratis by everyone involved. The year before Jr had backed into this guy and his wife in the DJT Bar, and as an apology, bought them a $200 drink. And talked with them for several hours. The difference is that they know the older two boys. You don’t. But are the ones calling them scumbags. And what does that mean for you?
Employees talk about meeting the two older boys at an employee picnic. Two guys in wife beater shirts and cargo shorts ran the grill. And all of a sudden, they realized that they had the President’s sons cooking their burgers. Would never have guessed it from how well they fit into that mostly blue collar crowd.
So, one divorce for four married kids. Eric’s wife was a RNC co-chair, and frequent Trump spokesperson. And ivanka’s husband just put together the Gaza peace deal (after putting together the Abrahamic Accords during Trump’s last Administration).
She just throws crap against the wall see if it sticks
Now if we were to judge for merely lying about charlie kirks murder well that would be enough to dismiss her entire
“ Trump interrupted her, pointed at her, and said, “Quiet. Quiet, piggy,” before moving on to another reporter.”
Boo. Hoo. Little Piggy got called out. She probably got more respect from Trump than she deserved. She was trying to Gotcha Trump, on a subject that was manufactured by Dems to hurt him. As we all know, Epstein is a Dem problem. Trump did ask Congress to release everything, they voted to do so, and he signed it. Yet, Piggy was asking him, again, gotcha questions about Epstein. Which prominent Dem politician had she asked about their involvement with Epstein? She hadn’t, of course. Because (D)ifferent.
D> Driver writes "@Quaestor Not pure. Just consistent."
What godlike humility.
We stand in awe.
Leftist reporters who interrupt are pigs
Arrogant left interrupting … pigs
“Trump did ask Congress to release everything, they voted to do so, and he signed it. Yet, Piggy was asking him, again, gotcha questions about Epstein.”
Are you referring to the Epstein Bill? When did Trump sign it? The incident of Trump calling Catherine Lucey “piggy” happened on November 14th. As far as I’ve heard, Trump hasn’t signed the bill yet today.
Oh, no. Trump allegedly called a reporter a name.
Boy, it sure is a good thing nobody's ever called him any names.
In fact, I'd be curious to know what names you haven't called him and his supporters.
Congress just sent Trump the bill today. He said he would sign it.
“ Trump interrupted her, pointed at her, and said, “Quiet. Quiet, piggy,” before moving on to another reporter.”
A good test of how insulted Miss Piggy really was would be to watch and see if she declines further rides on Trump's plane.
Bet she won't.
I dont understand the point of this article. What is everyone supposed to do, cry?
The role of government here is
1. to exact vengeance on behalf of the victims (thats what "justice" means, dont tell me no).
2. Make an example of the perpetrators to deter future misbehavior.
Trump signed the bill this evening.
Lee Zeldin humiliates Jasmine Crockett over her embarrassing accusation about Epstein donations | Blaze Media https://share.google/06UAtDp08XvfaStv8
It doesnt have a point, they got stuck in the tar pit
‘Trump signed the bill this evening.’
Must’ve been within the hour.
Trump signed the Bill at 8:30 ET
’Must’ve been within the hour.’
Correct.
“In stately homes and boardrooms, there are important men shitting themselves as we speak.
OK, so how many take the plunge or put 9 grams through the gray matter before morning? How many banished, shunned. How many divorces? This will be interesting to watch.
That and of course the spectacular swan-diving demise of assorted lefty icons.”
thanks, Mike
Eau dihughmanatee!
Trump hitched a ride to Teterboro airport once which is just the same as Clinton flying to the island and elsewhere on a plane filled with young girls. Trump likes very attractive mature women whom he has to compete for because they understand the game which is just the same as Clinton liking young interns who work for him and are dazzled by power and or young girls who are addled by drugs. Trump doesn't do drugs which is just the same as Bill Clinton who does, well, not quite the same, but the word "drugs" is in the sentence for both.
Mostly the list will be Dems with callouses on their souls and not their hands and they'll be OK. But it's going to turn out that a few prominent Republicans are involved and a few people who can't live with the exposure. There'll be suicides, family breakups. The public who demanded it all be released will become disgusted and turn away into clean stories of financial corruption, anti-semitism, dhimmitude, encampments of mental or physical druggies. Which is worser - fentanyl or TDS? Hamas or Harvard?
And turn and turn as we used to turn on hot tangled sheets in the summer.
Epstein in Illinois:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/epstein-emails-spotlight-billionaire-thomas-pritzker-s-relationship-with-financier-like-family/ar-AA1QL5jI?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=691e66808ca1416db4b7979370ca268a&ei=16
Epstein was a democrat.
ga6
From the MSN link"
"Key Facts
The House Oversight Committee released more than 20,000 emails and other documents from Epstein’s estate, which include emails between Pritzker and Epstein and messages in which the late financier references Pritzker.
Pritzker is the executive chairman of hotel chain Hyatt and part of the broader wealthy Pritzker family—which also includes Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker—and had previously been linked to Epstein, most notably being named by victim Virginia Giuffre as one of the men she was allegedly forced to have sex with.| "
oh my.
Again - for Inag:
"Pritzker is the executive chairman of hotel chain Hyatt and part of the broader wealthy Pritzker family—which also includes Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker—and had previously been linked to Epstein, most notably being named by victim Virginia Giuffre as one of the men she was allegedly forced to have sex with.| "
oh really?
The biggest problem with all of this is that the women who were victimized by Epstein and the other wealthy scum had a choice to make:
1. Get a whole bunch of money.
2. File charges against the pederasts.
And here we are. All of those files were under seal because nobody filed charges.
“ Are you referring to the Epstein Bill? When did Trump sign it? The incident of Trump calling Catherine Lucey “piggy” happened on November 14th. As far as I’ve heard, Trump hasn’t signed the bill yet today.”
https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/trump-signs-bill-authorizing-release-of-epstein-files-34d1a7a8
Yes, he signed the bill almost immediately after receiving it. But you are right that he called the obnoxious reporter “piggy” several days earlier. Back when the Dems (including reporters like this) were still trying to tie Trump to Epstein, despite almost all of those tied to Epstein, including Epstein himself, were partisan Democrats. So, when this Dem operative/reporter asked Trump for the 43rd time that day, about his ties to Epstein, she got essentially called out for it.
4 years of President Auto-pen - and the dems did nothing.
I heard an audio clip of Trump telling a reporter that she was a disgrace and a hack (my words.) It was awesome and necessary.
A Stacey Plaskett(D), a representative from the US Virgin Islands, texted with Epstein during a hearing, and he was coaching her what to say.
You cannot make this stuff up.
The excuse she is using? "Epstein is a constituent,"
LOL.
How much money did Epstein funnel to Stacey Plaskett(D) and other Democrat pols in exchange for favors, control, and silence?
I have a feeling that this is #metoo redux: aimed at the right but exposing the left. Funny how that works…
“Federal Election Commission (FEC) filings show that Tom Pritzker has donated to individuals across the political spectrum. Examples of his political contributions include donations to:
Republicans, such as former House Speaker Paul Ryan and Senators Bob Corker and Mitt Romney.
Democrats, such as Senators Cory Booker and Dick Durbin, and former President Barack Obama (in 2008).”
Gemini
“Bipartisan Support: In the 2008 election cycle, he donated to campaign committees supporting both Democrat Barack Obama and Republican John McCain”
Gemini
Focus:
Again, Inag:
"Pritzker is the executive chairman of hotel chain Hyatt and part of the broader wealthy Pritzker family—which also includes Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker—and had previously been linked to Epstein, most notably being named by victim Virginia Giuffre as one of the men she was allegedly forced to have sex with.| "
Inag - What do Tom Pritzker's donations have to do with his being named as a sexual predator by Virginia Giuffre?
Piggypiggy…
Focus yourself. Tom Pritzger is Governor Pritzker's cousin. Tom Pritzker isn’t partisan. He donated to both Republicans and Democrats. Follow? Was it Governor Pritzker that was named as a perpetrator? No, it was Tom Pritzker.
Piggypiggy…
What does Tom Pritzker being named as a perpetrator by Virginia Guiffre have to do with the Governor Pritzker? I don’t give a rat’s ass if Tom Pritzker gets sued, indicted or whatever can be done to him.
So for you it's not about his being named as someone who abused Virginia - it's all about his donations?
Wow you really are a pig.
It's looking like Epstein was a democrat who supported and worked with other democrats.
One more- hakeem Jeffries.
4 years of Biden and zero Epstein hysteria from the cult left.
Or from dems in power. Strange.
“So for you it's not about his being named as someone who abused Virginia - it's all about his donations?
Wow you really are a pig.”
How fucking dumb can you be Piggypiggy? I don’t care who Tom Pritzker donated to, it’s mentioned because you are trying to tie him to Governor Pritzker who is a Democrat. Do you think Governor Pritzker is guilty of something because the perp Tom Pritzker is his cousin? I honestly don’t understand how you can be so consistently stupid.
I believed Hillary Clinton was a sex trafficker because one of her donors owned a pizza restaurant and "cheese pizza" has the same initials as "child pornography." Here's why I don't think Trump's multi-decade best friendship with a sex trafficker connects him to sex trafficking. ~ MAGA
Piggy said…
“It's looking like Epstein was a democrat who supported and worked with other democrats.”
Oh man, Piggy, your stupidity never ceases to amaze, now are you going to say Steve Bannon is a Democrat?
“Steve Bannon had a working relationship with Jeffrey Epstein, including the latter acting as an informal adviser for Bannon's media ventures and Bannon in turn coaching Epstein for a potential TV interview. This relationship, which continued until Epstein's 2019 arrest, has been detailed in recently released documents and news reports.”
Gemini
Inag - cultist
So you will Ignore Hakeem Jeffries?
Bannon does not hold elected office.
“Ben Shapiro blasts Bannon over emails with Epstein | RISING
Rising / November 19, 2025 / 8:17 AM PST
Newly released documents appear to suggest that former Trump advisor Steve Bannon had a working relationship with Jeffrey Epstein, with the two offering advice to each other in 2018.”
https://thehill.com/video/ben-shapiro-blasts-bannon-over-emails-with-epstein-rising/11277763/
Inag says:
"How fucking dumb can you be Piggypiggy? I don’t care who Tom Pritzker donated to, "
Even though you went to a bunch of useless trouble to AI his donor list. Got it.
Bannon and Hakeem Jeffries.
Eh -
Piggy said…
“Bannon and Hakeem Jeffries.”
So now you’re going to try to make a connection between Bannon and Hakeem Jeffries? There is no connection bewteen Bannon and Jeffries, there is was no connection between Epstein and Jeffries. There was no connection between Governor Pritzker and Epstein. What are you going to try to claim next? Seriously, you look like a drooling retard just waiting to find a Democrat in the shit pile, not understanding that now your face and hands are smeared with shit.
Inag - Don't be an idiot.
Sure there is - Looks like Bannon and Hakeem delt with Epstein.
Although the Hakeem + Epstein.... It was financial support for Hakeem's candidacy. what else? Perhaps we will find out.
Inag - That Epstein was a democrat - is driving you insane.
Fun to watch.
Tell us about Hakeem and Plaskett...
The real Inag is a sinister little leftist bitch.
“ Here's why I don't think Trump's multi-decade best friendship with a sex trafficker connects him to sex trafficking. ~ MAGA”
What he is doing is stringing partial truths together to build a completely false impression. What is, apparently true is that they ran in the same social circles in NYC and Palm Beach. And they would occasionally private jet pool between their two homes. Then, Epstein crossed the line with a woman at MAL, and Trump evicted and banned him. And then started feeding information about Epstein to the FBI. and continued for years.
There are plenty of bad actors in politics, however, on balance, most don't go on vacations or develop long-term relationships with a child sex-trafficker who has been credibly involved in hundreds if not more than a thousand cases of abuse. The fact that the trafficker also had ties to at least one intelligence agency and was effectively protected for years by major political figures is another issue.
Apparently Trump’s personal attorney Todd Blanche forgot a jury of her peers heard evidence that Maxwell abused children and convicted her.
Convicted sex trafficker who taught young girls how to blow old men says sole person on earth who can pardon her did nothing wrong.
This is laughable coming from Maxwell.
The sex trafficker and perjurer exonerated the one man who can free her. I am totally persuaded.
“ And then started feeding information about Epstein to the FBI. and continued for years.”
Which, I think, if true, is going to be hilarious. He apparently was an FBI CI (Confidential Informant). Which means that his identity would have been hidden/redacted, by law. Likely of the FL Epstein case, where Epstein got the sweetheart sentence. Now, with the House motion/law just passed and signed by him today? If this is true, talk about three dimensional chess, or at least asking not to be thrown into the briar patch.
"And I remember that Althouse banned Inga multiple times for a reason."
I don't believe that Althouse has ever "banned" Inga. There was a commenter presenting as female that Althouse felt compelled to ban, but I don't think there was any connection to Inga. I disagree with Inga on almost everything, and I think she is guilty of cut-and-paste posting on a major scale. But I don't think she posts in bad faith, and I don't think that Althouse has ever banned her.
The "victims" refuse to name their attackers, allowing those attackers to continue attacking young girls.
The "victims" are the bad guys.
To summarize Dee Dee, “I don’t care” while simultaneously insisting without evidence that Trump rode Lolita Express all the time, yet can’t be bothered to look at the other flight records. Yes, he KNOWS the exact page that shows the ONE TIME that Trump shared a domestic flight but knows NOTHING about the thousands of flights to and from Epstein’s Democrat-protected private island. He wants US to supply a map to the Clinton evidence AGAIN because he has studiously avoided the facts this far and he’d rather rant about us not spoonfeeding him while he pretends he has evidence Trump is guilty.
Driver has exactly the same psychopathic obsession with Trump as the Democrats the Bulwark creeps and all the other grifters who were unable to buy off or incriminate Trump so they resort to eliminating him by any means necessary.
He cares all right.
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