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Woody and Mia were never married!
Both ChatGPT and Grok had trouble spotting the error. ChatGPT didn't see it until I explicitly pointed it out. And Grok wrote this:
Woody Allen's ex-wife: This refers to Mia Farrow, with whom Allen was in a high-profile relationship from 1980 to 1992 (they never legally married, but the term "ex-wife" is a common shorthand in media for such long-term partners, especially given their shared children and public history).
Really?! It's "common shorthand in media" to use the word "wife" where there is no marriage? I didn't believe that for one second. And I don't like the "legally" in "legally married." "Married" is a legal status.
I had to fight with Grok about this. It tried to hedge with me by analyzing why it might "feel wrong" to say Mia and Woody were married. Grok took the attitude maybe I was some kind of stickler: "If you value accuracy, 'ex-wife' implies a marriage that didn’t exist."
Quit talking about me, Grok. You're the one who made a claim about a common practice in journalism, and journalism is supposed to "value accuracy.'"
By the way, there's no common-law marriage in New York, now or at the time of the Mia/Woody relationship, and even if there were, those 2 would not have been in one because they did not even live in the same residence.
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You know, I'm sad that Diane Keaton died, and it's a shame that the Mia/Woody story intrudes itself here.
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I’d also give it crap about how it might “feel wrong” to say they were married.
Layers and layers of fact checkers...
I think they mean Frank Sinatra or Andre Previn’s ex-wife Mia Farrow.
Married as a legal status is the gay marriage trope. If it's a legal status, then anybody can be married, you just need the enabling laws.
The objection was that marriage is a specific relationship between a man and woman that takes on to the domestication of specific eternal conflicts.
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Gay marriage refers to civil union, the legal part, and jerking off.
Mia did it Frank's way.
Say what you will about Mia, but her sister Prudence was the muse for one of the most poignant Beatles songs…
"This one don't talk, she don't eat. What does she do?"
- Dolly Sinatra
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I suppose Fartow could have claimed common law marriage status had she wanted.
Meh. AI told me last night that the Brewers game ended at the end of the 8th inning in a 2-2 tie.
Don't go to AI if you "value accuracy".
no one edits people magazine, and it shows,
Like they said, it's a 'complicated' past.
Some people share tribute, some people share dessert.
Mia was Woody's girlfriend. They didn't even live together. But they had a close relationship for many years. It's interesting to me and also somewhat offensive to say she was his wife when they chose not to get married. It is interesting that People, Grok, etc., refuse to use the word girlfriend. It's almost puritanical which is funny considering that the writers are probably young people.
Didn't Woody and Mia star in that movie, "Honey, I Shtupped the Kids"?
I half-remembered that Farrow and Allen never married and for sure knew that they kept separate residences, but I thought the error was the vagueness of the "despite complicated past" part. Allen and Farrow certainly had a complicated past, but what would that have to do with Keaton? Allen and Keaton had dated many years prior to any relationship with Farrow and had remained friends. Why would this complicate anything between Keaton and Farrow?
The journalism kids have no clue. I saw this actual story headline (snippet):
-Diane Keaton, star of The Godfather and The First Wives Club, dead at 79
She won the Oscar for Annie Hall FFS!
now it doesn't, if a machine was writing the headline though,
the chimps apparently work at people, for bananas,
You're reading it as a failed attempt to make a factual statement. I read it as an ironic or sarcastic editorial comment on their relationship and Woody's repeated claim that "We never lived together, and I wasn't Soon Yi's father." Well played, People magazine.
even data could see the error in the headline
"Shared children". Yeah, i think that was the problem. Woody shared a little too much.
BTW, what's up with "shares Tribute". You mean she pays tribute?
"Quit talking about me, Grok. You're the one who made a claim about a common practice in journalism, and journalism is supposed to "value accuracy.'
It is frightening that anyone valuing accuracy is diving into the swirling cesspool plumbed by AI. As useful as Wiki? Hard to tell, but likely not. It may be fun for word games, but accuracy? Hard pass.
And who's having the complicated relationship with who?
I don't understand why Mia shouldn't participate in a tribute to Diane Keaton. She wasn't Woody Allen.
Watching the Dylan movie, he sings a tribute song to Woody.
At some point Hollyweird decided they no longer had to abide by common standards and get married. So, they just shacked up and had illegitimate kids. I mean why not? Its not like they ever had any morals or religion. But they used to pretend. That Mickey Rooney had to get married 10 times.
That's also why I don't get as upset as others at Woody banging Soon-yi. He wasn't really her stepfather just a guy - an "uncle" - who stopped by for sex and conversation.
Marriage, union, and incorporation.
Couples, couplets, and friends with "benefits".
Grok cannot reconcile the liberal litany it has been fed.
Whenever I hear about Mia and Woody, I remember an incident at divorce court.
A woman's husband failed to appear for what seemed to be a final divide the property and visitation hearing.
Woman's lawyer emphasized the absence
The judge was on the verge of giving the woman everything she wanted when the desk clerk got a call.
Clerk motioned to bailiff and whispered in his ear. Bailiff approached judge and relayed the message.
Judge eyeballed the woman's lawyer and asked " Are you aware the husband was hit by a car and is in the hospital ?"
Lawyer answers "Yes, but we didn't know the extent of his injuries"
Your pointing out a distinction without a difference.
"I suppose Fartow could have claimed common law marriage status had she wanted."
Tell me you didn't read the post without telling me you didn't read the post.
NO she couldn't. For 2 big reasons. Stated explicitly in the post.
"I don't understand why Mia shouldn't participate in a tribute to Diane Keaton. She wasn't Woody Allen."
Keaton sided with Woody. She said he was her friend and she believed her friend. That could have irked Mia. But when the person who irks you is suddenly dead...
As the Rolling Stones said,
She shoots colours all around
Like a sunset going down
Have you seen the Lady Farrow?
He's been Soon-Yi's husband more than twice as long as he was Mia's boyfriend.
so is woody dad to Mia Farrow has 14 children, which include 4 biological and 10 adopted. Here are their names:
Biological Children:
Matthew Previn
Sascha Previn
Fletcher Previn
Daisy Previn
Adopted Children:
Lark Previn
Soon-Yi Previn
Moses Farrow
Dylan Farrow
Ronan Farrow
Tam Farrow
Isaiah Farrow
Thaddeus Farrow
Quincy Farrow
Frankie Farrow.
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Mia Farrow's family is known for its unique stories and challenges, including the tragic loss of three of her children.
Full Moon’s story reminded me of another awkward “relationship + car” story which I heard decades ago. Lady and gentleman get into the back seat of car and get right to it. During this procedure the large man slips a disc and is in agony and quite unable to move. Trapping small woman underneath. After a while cops arrive and try to get the guy out through the doors but any movement and he screams in agony. Cops call the firefighters who use cutting equipment to rip the car roof off and lifting gear to lift him into an ambulance. As he departs in the ambulance a cop notices the woman’s extreme distress and comforts her thus :
“Don’t worry- he’ll be fine.” The distraught woman replies “ **** him ! What am I going to tell my husband about the car ?”
We do need terminology for people in that relationship, especially considering that it's a very common one today, and even in the past with people who by every other measure are married but never got the legal paperwork from a stranger who doesn't even know them. "Partner" would be good if it didn't first suggest a business relationship or gayness.
Marriage is a legal status.
I think Jesus would point out that if you're having sex with people, you are married to them, in the eyes of the Lord. So if you worship the law, and legalities, then you might argue that Woody Allen had a girlfriend, and they didn't live together, and blah blah blah.
God would say, you have two kids, have love in your heart. And don't fuck her kids.
Allen might pretend that he wasn't a stepfather, but he was. And actually his art is filled with men behaving badly, and committing adultery, and sleeping with very young girls. His art is his life and his life is his art.
None of this excuses Mia Farrow and her monstrous over-reaction. She accused him of child molestation, and coached her very young kids into believing it. Any sympathy I would have for her is out the window. I think she's done an awful thing to her daughter.
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I've never been married, and never wanted to be, but since the age of 30, my relationships have been monogamous and usually over a decade long. After about 7 years, I start calling her my wife, but it seems dishonest. I wish there was a more accurate term.
@hanuman_prodigious_leaper : Ronin Farrow is Mia Farrow's biological child, not adopted. This entry looks like it has all the fact-finding quality of A.I. He's supposedly the product of Mia and Woody Allen, but if you compare pictures of Ronin and Frankie at similar ages, well..... I'd say it was a different woody, IYKWIMAIKTYD.
"...if you're having sex with people, you are married to them..."
Bill Clinton should have said: "I did not marry that woman, Ms Lewinsky."
What about that girl who recently married 1000 men in 12 hours? The alimony proceeds are going to be epic.
Georgia recognized common law marriage until 1997. One of the requirements of a valid CL marriage was that the couple hold themselves out to the public as married. Just living together, no matter for however long would not do the trick. Therefore, merely shacking up couldn't accidentally lead to marital status.
I had to fight with Grok about this.
I have fights with my computer. "Where is my novel? Please. Please. Where the fuck is it?! Seriously. Seriously. Give me my fucking novel, you fucking piece of shit!" And then I start cursing Microsoft, and Google, and Apple. I substitute tech overlords for the stupid bytes and metal and the empty soulless, inanimate machine. And I pray to the Lord to please help me find my novel. And then I call tech support and sink into hell and deep, deep despair.
Technology is awesome up until it turns into a soulless fucking Satan. The 72 hours I spent switching out from my very old Mac to a very new Mac would be a very funny short story. But I'm still too mad to write it. Dude.
What about that girl who recently married 1000 men in 12 hours? The alimony proceeds are going to be epic.
God's unhappy with her sin. Sport-fucking is pagan, and killing your babies to hide your sport-fucking is really pagan.
I think Jesus would point out that if you're having sex with people, you are married to them, in the eyes of the Lord
Thats not true at all. Jesus would ask if you married in church. If you're not its fornication. BTW, I'm just being a Religious nerd. I don't care what people do.
Common law marriage got legal status to protect women. Is the Lee Marvin case still legal precedent? Or has that gone away?
And, you probably know this, Jesus is not adding to the rule-base paradigm. He's tossing it out and reducing all the commandments to two. Are you loving God? Are you loving your neighbor as much as you love yourself?
It's like this with ex-brother-in-laws. I definitely include them if they lived in the same place for more than a year. One guy I'd like to include but he just doesn't get all the boxes checked. Another should count but I didn't know him that well although I knew him better than the legally married one I never met while they were married. She said walk around campus maybe you'll bump into him. Uhhuh..
I don't think there's a word in the English language that can accurately desribe the entanglement of the lives of Mia Farrow and Woody Allen. Mia Farrow was, is, and will be far more entangled with Woody Allen then she ever was with Frank Sinatra or Andre Previn. Ex-wife understates it. Muse and nemesis, earth mother and Medusa, joined at the jugular and the canines.
Thats not true at all. Jesus would ask if you married in church. If you're not its fornication.
The whole point of a wedding is to express your joy and love for the person with whom you will be intimate. It's a place where you go if you can say "I love you," out loud, in front of witnesses, joyfully and full of passion. It's a happy event, not a mechanism by which to escape a criminal sentence.
Mia Farrow and Woody Allen never cohabitated but they did adopt two children together and purportedly created a third the old-fashioned way — but if you compare photos of that child and Frank Sinatra, you’ll know that’s a lie.
For the record Mia Farrow is battier than a castle in Transylvania.
Is the term "paramour" no longer in use?
"You know, I'm sad that Diane Keaton died, and it's a shame that the Mia/Woody story intrudes itself here."
Yes. My feeling exactly.
I think Woody Allen has plausible denial as regards the charges against him. Similarly I think Mia Farrow has plausible denial when it comes to her prompting her daughter's charges against him.......It's certain that Woody Allen wasn't such a great father, and Mia Farrow had some failings as a mother. I'm more sympathetic to Woody. Even if the charges are true, he's much less of a villain than Charley Chaplin or Roman Polanski, and it's notable that Mia Farrow cannot find it in her heart to condemn Roman Polanski........As a morality tale, this is not black and white, but varying shades of gray. At the Last Judgement, the greatest joy for film buffs will be to see who in this family ascends and who gets damned. I don't see a clear favorite either way, but if I were God, I'd give them both a pass.
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I think Jesus would point out that if you're having sex with people, you are married to them, in the eyes of the Lord
"Thats not true at all. Jesus would ask if you married in church. If you're not its fornication. BTW, I'm just being a Religious nerd. I don't care what people do."
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When Jesus lived, there were no churches to be married in. Instead, Jewish couples would become bethrothed after a formal agreement between the families and payment of a bride price. The couple would continue to live apart for as long as a year, when the groom would go to the bride's house to claim her. She would then be brought to the groom's house for a wedding feast lasting as long as seven days. The marriage would then be....erm...consummated. Witnesses would...umm.. confirm the consummation.
There was no requirement that a religious figure had to conduct any ceremony or bless the marriage, which was essentially a contract between the bride and groom's families.
It wasn't until The Council of Trent (1545-1563) did the Church made it mandatory for Catholic marriages to be performed by a priest with witnesses.
Jews today don't require weddings to be held in a sysnagogue, only that a rabbi and witnesses attend a ceremony featuring an essential element called a "chuppah"(wedding canopy), which symbolizes the couple's new home together. The ceremony can be held indoors or outside.
I’m impressed with Keaton’s rejection of the sisterhood, “believe all women” and feminist orthodoxy. “I believe in my friend” is a beautiful statement.
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