"Absolutely. Do I yearn for someone to hold me in this fourth trimester, hug me when the hormones crash, and stay? Without a doubt. Because in the end, what I really want isn’t just a baby. It’s someone who looks at me — hormones, scars, baby sick and all — and swipes right, no questions asked."
The last paragraph of "What’s it like to date when you’re pregnant?/When Lisa Oxenham, 49, decided to have a baby on her own, she didn’t stop looking for love. Cue mornings injecting IVF hormones, and evenings swiping the apps" (London Times).
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You wouldn’t want that person…
Women have to come to grips with this truth: Men have a hardwired fear that they will spend their time and energy raising another man's child.
If you want a man to take care of you and love you the best thing you can do is have his child.
It is absolutely destructive and selfish of women to deny men the chance to pass on their genetics and try to guilt them into raising another man's child.
If a man wants to do that and chooses to do that it is up to him. But women who ask men to do this should be shamed.
And if you were a baby, you wouldn't want that woman as a mom. Even when Mom is really good at the left swipe/right swipe thing, boy friends and step dads are, statistically, really rough on babies and toddlers.
What’s it like to be preggers, when you’re still dating?
50, single, lonely, taking hormones, having crazy pregnancy hormones - I hope someone(s) close to her are monitoring for postpartum depression.
"Because in the end, what I really want isn’t just a baby. It’s someone who looks at me — hormones, scars, baby sick and all — and swipes right, no questions asked."
Sounds like something to think about before getting pregnant.
And endless Karen chatter, decrying men for being too shallow to want this woman and her baby. It’s more than a little entitled, more than a little crazy.
Now I’ve had the baby — Wolfgang, born on August 22 — I’m besotted.
I'm glad her first IVF child was a masculine child.
In any honest accounting of her assets and liabilities, she doesn't fare very well. She better have a fabulous personality and great character.
Red Storm Rising had a romance with a pregnant woman.
It’s got to be hard to be a woman in some ways, you are given a huge gift of sexual attractiveness when you are too young to understand the stakes of the game. It would be like giving an 18 year old boy millions of dollars and telling him that the time honored advice is all wrong, and he won’t care if when he has spent it all, he won’t be getting any more.
The best definition of a fool is a person who doesn’t understand the stakes or the game until they have lost.
She should have gotten a cat.
That child will have a hard life. He will have to survive an obsessive narcissistic mother.
Apps let women sleep with the most sexually attractive men, who quickly move on, and the first couple times, the intense feelings of love that they experience becomes so painful to them, that they learn to suppress them. So she is unlikely to feel love for whatever man, certainly one who lacks the choices that the men she hooked up with when young, who is willing to take her on.
"Like so many women, I’m at the crossroads: can I raise children alone, confidently? Absolutely."
Of course she can. Kids don't need dads.
"What’s it like to be preggers, when you’re still dating?"
I can't copy the whole article, but that is what it is mostly about. Somehow she got a lot of dates while disclosing that she was pregnant, and some men purported to like the idea — sometimes because if meant she couldn't *get* pregnant and sometimes because they thought it meant she *didn't* want a relationship and at least one liked the idea of a ready-made family. Or so they said.
I would note that some men have genetic problems. They might be unhealthy or have deficiencies. Presumably, if she bought the sperm, she picked out very advantageous traits. A man might really want to be a father but think his own children wouldn't be genetically gifted.
This is so disordered in so very, very many ways.
What are some good love stories where a woman is pregnant and a man who is not the biological father comes to love her and embraces the role of father?
Try asking AI. You'll find some great stories! Of course, real life is another matter. Maybe that romantic desire is unfulfilled in this cold world.
"a convenient excuse not to step up"
As if her dates had a duty they are shirking.
Spending £40,000 to get pregnant with a second child is bonkers to me.
Ann Althouse said...
... Presumably, if she bought the sperm, she picked out very advantageous traits. ...
Because men filling out their donor profiles certainly wouldn't lie like men- and women - lie on their dating profiles.
Mason G said...
"Like so many women, I’m at the crossroads: can I raise children alone, confidently? Absolutely."
Of course she can. Kids don't need dads.
Wasn't going to mention that part about dads. Was simply going to mention she's delusional. She's 50. Has some sort of routine by now. That doesn't include infants. Her life is set to be severely disrupted. When was the last time she changes a diaper? Lifted a car seat and put it in a car?
She'll be in her 60s when the child reaches the difficult teenage years. Good luck dealing with that.
Ann Althouse said...
I would note that some men have genetic problems. They might be unhealthy or have deficiencies. Presumably, if she bought the sperm, she picked out very advantageous traits. A man might really want to be a father but think his own children wouldn't be genetically gifted.
Nice note. It will not deflect.
The number one problem in our country right now is the destruction of the nuclear family.
The nuclear family is being destroyed by several things, but female selfishness is in the top 2. It is right there with the inability of average young men to provide for a family.
Women can control their selfish desires and think about other people and society. That merely takes a choice.
Men have to find a way to make 5 times as much money as the average male in their 20's in order to support a family.
And yet men are making more of an effort than women.
I am not shocked.
Ann Althouse said...
What are some good love stories where a woman is pregnant and a man who is not the biological father comes to love her and embraces the role of father?
Try asking AI. You'll find some great stories! Of course, real life is another matter. Maybe that romantic desire is unfulfilled in this cold world.
Next logical questions: how many of these were written by women?
How many of these were read by men?
Great Stories!
Because in the end, what *I* really want ...
of course, we ALL Know what the kid wants (same as Every kid)..
2 loving and decent parents that love them
I’m at the crossroads: can I raise children alone, confidently?"
maybe..
can you raise children alone, well?
Absolutely NOT
i guess it's important to realize that for (some) women)..
children are just fashion accessories
"Once I was pregnant — at 49, after four rounds of IVF and nearly £40,000 spent — I was upfront about it, even if how to be upfront took some figuring out. Do you put it in your bio? Do you mention it before the first drink arrives?"
You might want to pound down three or four before you tell him. Jeeze.
I hope she has a good-sized extended family- siblings and nephews/nieces. If not, then she is in for a world of disappointment.
..."What are some good love stories where a woman is pregnant and a man who is not the biological father comes to love her and embraces the role of father? "
It can happen, and certainly has happened before, many many times. But it is unrealistic to the point of selfishness to expect it to happen, to the point of feeling entitled that it should happen, and being outraged when it doesn't.
This woman has no business having a child. She's a 49 year old, late middle-aged adult with the mentality and emotional capacity of a teenager. The moral hazard of what medical technology can provide humans.
I've come around to thinking that women use the machinery of society, and the social contract, to control the reproduction of others. While men accept competition, adversarial confrontation, and even battle as long as there's an opportunity for comradery, women don't like seeing other women bear young if there's any chance of a conflict of goals - to the point of being happy to view a mate as an optional accessory, rather than understanding that a life partner is fundamental to success of bearing offspring.
Well, there's Joseph and Mary.
She should advertise herself honestly. There must be just as many regretful, and possibly sterile men her age with the same dream of embracing parenthood. Having two older parents has its rewards. A dear friend who experienced the tragic deaths of two of his sons had his last child in his mid-Sixties. She is delightful and in a large, tight, unique cast of characters.
"Because in the end, what I really want isn’t just a baby. It’s someone who looks at me — hormones, scars, baby sick and all — and swipes right, no questions asked."
Sounds like something to think about before getting pregnant.
Sounds to me like exactly the motivation for the teen moms back in the day of exploding teen pregnancy rates: "I just want someone to love me!"
An absolutely terrible reason to have a child. Maybe, maybe, this woman, being of mature years, will have the patience to get through the months and years (extending into adulthood, let's face it) when your child only shows signs of loving you when it's beneficial to your child to do so. But when your toddler, or your adolescent, screams, "I hate you!" it can be hard to remember that your job is to love that kid anyway.
A huge part of the problem is this sense, so common now, that "love" is forever something that happens to you, not something that, once the early thrill has faded, you daily choose to do.
another man declared I was “super-hot being pregnant”, as though I’d stumbled into a niche kink category
I don’t know if you tripped or not but it is a niche kink category…She also has an eight year old- second to last sentence. It’s complicated doesn’t describe. It’s weird. I offer no constructive words. Maybe try Iceland…
Well, there's Joseph and Mary.
I don't think I'd want to characterize this woman's decision to have a child as even similar to "I am the Lord's servant; let it be done to me as you say." And Mary was already betrothed to Joseph; she didn't go looking for him.
I wish her and, at least as importantly, her child the best of luck in this endeavor, but the situation is - I think I'd go with "fraught."
There might be men out there desperate enough to want that, but I find deliberately making yourself a single Mom at 49 to be about the most disqualifying thing a woman can do to herself. Short of wearing a tshirt saying "I've had five abortions!", or something like that.
"i guess it's important to realize that for (some) women)..
children are just fashion accessories"
Maybe if she's lucky, the kid will be trans.
That would probably suck for the kid but it appears that's likely to be secondary to mom getting what she wants.
“"a convenient excuse not to step up"
As if her dates had a duty they are shirking.”
Exactly. I always thought “fear of commitment” was a self-contradicting, distinctly un-feminist, term. How does one fear what doesn’t exist?
If you're spending your mornings injecting IVF hormones, and your evenings using dating apps, you've made some pretty serious mistakes in your life.
"She should advertise herself honestly. There must be just as many regretful, and possibly sterile men her age with the same dream of embracing parenthood."
I agree with Tina. There are probably a lot of men in this situation who would like to embark on the adventure of having a family.
AI's closing: "So, “preggers” isn’t just a quirky word here—it’s shorthand for a whole constellation of modern dilemmas around autonomy, romance, and parenting."
Sadly women can't "have it all", meaning big career, big house, successfully-launched children and happy marriage, not without lots of expendable discretionary money, hired help, cooperative spouse, accommodating employer and progressive company employment. Children are perhaps "easiest" to juggle when their babies, much harder as adolescents with school, social and/or medical issues, and absentee spouse. Wish her a boatload of good luck.
We as a college-educated white-collar couple and upper-middle income lifestyle expectations, managed to raise one child, with mixed results, honestly-speaking. Given our two busy stressful careers, difficult and demanding families-of-origin, , and little hired or family help, our child is on autistic spectrum.
From the article:
"There was a moment just before I started my final round of IVF when I met someone I really liked — someone I deleted the apps for. We’d been on only about three dates, but when I opened up about my four-year fertility journey and admitted this was my last cycle, he pulled away. At the time it stung — I wondered if what I wanted more than a baby was a life partner. But when that last cycle worked I realised he’d done me a favour. It hurt, but I wouldn’t change the outcome for anything."
So finding a partner was less important to her than having a baby alone. Dude doesn't know how close he got himself to the woodchipper.
So finding a partner was less important to her than having a baby alone.
She was up against the clock. At her age is way harder to get pregnant.
To Achilles:
I agree with much of what you said, but with respect to Althouse's response, I can posit my own experience. I married my wife, who had been married to, then divorced an abusive (as in physically beating, not just saying hurty words) first husband, with whom she had two daughters. We raised the girls in our home, I adopted them when bio-dad had no interest in being a father. Although we had some tough times, they were no worse than many of the couples we knew with natural children of their own. And now, the girls are "our" family, and their sons are "my" grandsons. All in all, quite the happy ending. It might be the fact that we put Jesus Christ at the center of our lives, and He carried us through, right up to today. After forty-five years I still love my wife with the same depth and passion as when we first met. I don't necessarily recommend our path to everyone, nor do I think it should become normative, but on the other hand, I have no regrets.
Why wait until a dysfunctional age?
Why wait until a dysfunctional age?
Look for it in 'the constellation of modern dilemmas around autonomy, romance, and parenting'.
"She was up against the clock. At her age is way harder to get pregnant."
Yes, I understand that. Looking at it from the guy's point of view, it's good he avoided becoming an accessory (as in "fashion accessory") for a woman and her baby since he didn't appear to want that for himself.
n.n said...
Why wait until a dysfunctional age?
Girl Boss had to have some fun.
Sadly women can't "have it all"
Melinda Gates had it all... maybe not like Bogart and Bacall. You have to win the genes lottery to look and sound that good.
Freeman Hunt, 1:40PM:
"Also, she is very good-looking, which overcomes a lot in dating."
Yikes. Keeping in mind that there is a large subjective element to such judgments, she is passable for a 49-year-old. Her face isn't especially feminine, so she was never in the top quintile.
The guys she thinks she deserves can get women ten to fifteen years younger who are not raising another man's offspring.
A core post-1960s (and post-suffrage movement) error has been to downplay the influence of female hormones. All the women I've known in my life have experienced dramatic mood and personality changes over time. This spanned puberty, cyclic menstruation, and menopause. Some have expressly said that they don't recognize themselves when thinking about dramatic actions or decisions from prior years (e.g., inexplicable rage and divorces linked to menopause). They can be compelled to act in ways that make sense only at the time, and that no one else understands.
Motherhood is a primal and species-existential drive. Women are compelled to mate and compelled to take action, as 70% of divorces are filed by women. This is evolved hormonal logic and not random chance.
The guys she thinks she deserves can get women ten to fifteen years younger who are not raising another man's offspring.
Can confirm according to... hoe_math numbers. Look, don't judge me because I'm curious... tryna make sense of this crazy world of ours.
All of you who think we are facing a crisis in depopulation should be happy this woman is pregnant. Otherwise it’s just stupid talk aimed at depressing everyone. Kind of like the climate alarmists jetting to all corners of our planet.
All of you who think a child is better off with 2 parents, one male and one female, should be happy she has not stopped looking for a mate.
Children should not be regarded as lifestyle accessories. They have needs, chief of which is a loving father and mother who are married to each other.
As to whether she’s pretty, not pretty, too old or not to old; there’s a lid for every pot.
Eva Marie said...
All of you who think we are facing a crisis in depopulation should be happy this woman is pregnant. Otherwise it’s just stupid talk aimed at depressing everyone. Kind of like the climate alarmists jetting to all corners of our planet.
All of you who think a child is better off with 2 parents, one male and one female, should be happy she has not stopped looking for a mate.
We are supposed to be happy that she waited 3 decades to grow up?
Well. Sort of grow up. She never lost the entitled attitude.
And she is still selfishly doing what she wants with no thoughts toward the child she wants to raise.
Oh and she is lying to men she is "dating" until the 3rd or 4th date when she deletes the apps for them.
But other than that she is doing great.
Right now, her priority ought to be having a healthy child and raising it right. If she happens to meet a guy she's compatible with along the way, great. But at this moment, I'd expect just about any man to reject her as someone whose priorities are all messed-up. Without such people, however, who'd provide new material for the style (i.e. women's ) pages?
Freeman Hunt, 1:40PM:
"Also, she is NOT BAD LOOKING, which overcomes a lot in GETTING LAID."
fify!
ALL a woman has to be, to GET LAID.. is NOT BAD LOOKING
hooking up with is NOT THE SAME AS dating.
She's OLD.. She's 49..
I'm SURE that there are PLENTY of guys that would hook up with her..
do YOU think that there is "A" lid for that pot?
emphasis on "A".
Seriously, who's going to pick her and her baby to grow old with?
Again; she's NOT BAD LOOKING, so she'd be able to hook up..
hooking up is NOT THE SAME AS dating.
(sorry to repeat, but it's kinda important)
oh! and dating is NOTHING LIKE marriage
I didn't read all of the comments so it's likely I'm repeating a previous observation(s). Seem like the whole stupidly self centered "Murphy Brown" syndrome. The only two (2) facets of the syndrome are: I want a baby; I can financially afford a baby. Nothing about "what's best for a child today?".
Hint, numerous studies show it's a two parent male/female home.
Most of the male commentators on this thread are identifying as Karen.
Better baby than no baby.
Shes very lucky to manage it at her age.
Theres been a lot of failures in her life it seems, but she got one thing partly right, eventually.
Whats best for a child today (or any day) is, first, to exist.
Looks, or perhaps presentation, personality, and character. Children are not the problem. Pregnancy is not the problem. However, if you're looking for a relationship, then honesty is a virtue. You will attract and keep a partner compatible with who you are. Some details are clearly more important than others, and potential (e.g. striving) is attractive.
Women and men are encouraged to cleave to one another, conceive together, and raise a family with love, care, and order. Women are not compelled to conceive. If they do, the woman and man should follow through with a humane choice. The goal is not to nurture womb farms or sperm donors for the sake of quantity.
I will say in her favor there is no other man for another man to worry about. One of my friends married a woman who already had a very young child from her first marriage. The other father wasn't in the picture at all so my friend was always just Dad. He wound up having two biological children of his own with his wife for a total of three. He always treated them all as his children, but he did admit to me it was 'easier' with his two biological children. I didn't press as to details as how it was easier or everything he meant by that. Both my friend and his wife are fairly religious Jehovah's Witnesses so that might help.
While I too have my worries about this situation I hope everything works out for her and the kid.
“We are supposed to be happy that she waited 3 decades to grow up?”
If you”re someone who is worried about depopulation then yes. If not then think what you like.
It’s a baby and a woman with a baby is a force multiplier. The more babies women see (and men too), the more women will want babies of their own. That’s how the world goes round.
So many babies born in worse circumstances.
As far as finding a mate, she’s certainly smart about writing about her search. Widens the field.
Best of luck to her and her baby.
Ask not what you can do for your husband, ask what he can do for you.
can I raise children alone, confidently?"
"Absolutely"
Yes, you can confidently screw up your child by depriving the child of a father.
Which is why you should have found one to make the child with you, idiot
Whats best for a child today (or any day) is, first, to exist.
You got that right!
I believe Greg Gutfeld recently had a child. According to the internet he is 61. I think he said a lot of people told him it was a bad idea to have a child given how old he is. He seemed to not to particularly value their input. His wife is 43 according to the internet and they are expecting their second child next year.
50 years old?
How many here were grandparents at 50?
Mix-up involving IVF.
You won't be disappointed
Prank Calls Yo Wife Wife Is Havin My Black Baby
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Enigma: "A core post-1960s (and post-suffrage movement) error has been to downplay the influence of female hormones."
Yes, I am willing to say all sorts of bad (and true) stuff about testosterone if people would just be honest about women's hormones.
Maybe there will be a precedent-setting case where a woman claims the Pregnant Rage defense or Menopausal Confusion Syndrome. Or has there been one already? This is a law blog. CC, JSM
"When Lisa Oxenham, 49, decided to have a baby on her own, she didn’t stop looking for love."
That's just what every man dreams of, preemptive cuckoldry.
It is an abomination unto me
He can experience pregnant her and PPD her in rapid succession. Exciting! Plus, he won't be burdened by the memory of highly sexual her.
Peri-menopause knocking at the door too. Hang on buddy!
Thanks, Prof. Althouse @1:15PM!
49 and having a baby just seems selfish.
Off putting from a man’s perspective. I feel for the future of the baby however.
I guess a scenario where a dad ended up with the kids, widower, mom turned into an addict, he’s looking for a mom for his kids so he can be a busy dad again. Is that a scenario she/they have in mind or is it more a sterile Chris Pratt type in his 30s finds her fascinating?
No dates for her is my guess. She ought to have done it when she was 19
Strike my last comment. She is pretty for an English woman and well-kept for her age. Shows a good amount of tit on her Instagram and wil probably send you nudes of herself pregnant if you chat her a bit and ask nicely
Self indulgent crazy SWPLs raising America's next generation of confused school shooters. Pol Pot level "reform" is about the only option left to us.
So, if she's like most women, she wants someone her age or older. That means, the new kid will be a teenager when the new dad is in his mid sixties. I am in my mid sixties right now. I can't imagine trying to cope with a teenager.
..Shows a good amount of tit on her Instagram and wil probably send you nudes of herself pregnant if you chat her a bit and ask nicely..
i'd like to point out (AGAIN!), that i'm NOT saying that she wouldn't be able to hook up easily..
but; i'm Going to HAVE TO say, AGAIN!
hooking up is NOT THE SAME AS dating.
(sorry to repeat, but it's kinda important)
oh! and dating is NOTHING LIKE marriage
That fact that this old momma could get laid, does NOT mean that she'll find someone to grow old with
(and by "OLD", i mean 'old enough to see her child graduate High School..
you know? SUPER OLD (like nearly 70 (ok! 68 or 69)))
So what will be her explanation to this new kid when he's grown and asking, "How come I don't have a dad like the other (white) kids?"?
I married a woman with two kids. I had a daughter and we subsequently (and shockingly - long story) had number four.
That's how many kids I have, four.
I love her dearly. But if hr tale was that at 49 she went to pretty extreme means to have a kid to raise ALONE, that red flag would have slapped me in the face.
What are the odds any man that married her would not be in a distant third place in the relationship? What are the odds the man would be close to having a real say in raising the child?
I hope the child grows up happy and well adjusted. But the odds are bad.
"Try asking AI."
Gawd I hate that. AI is like a per-kindergarten child that really, really wants to please mommy. It will scour the web relentlessly to find the "story" that mommy wants to hear. And, hooray, AI presents you with one that just happens to match your world view. (Oh it may take a few nudges - prompts - here and there. But the desired results - obviously /s TRUE - are just key strokes away).
So she is looking for a paycheck for child support.. ok.
"Try asking AI."
Anthropogenic Intelligence.
I love you, but... may merit scrutiny.
A quick search reveals that she's a career shill for the cosmetics industry. Draw what stereotype-based inferences you will.
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