"... or eventually redeemed for an apartment in one of six to eight new 'AI-powered, smart cities' to be built in Gaza. Each Palestinian who chooses to leave would be given a $5,000 cash payment and subsidies to cover four years of rent elsewhere, as well as a year of food. The plan estimates that every individual departure from Gaza would save the trust $23,000, compared with the cost of temporary housing and what it calls 'life support' services in the secure zones for those who stay.... [T]he trust plan 'does not rely on donations,' the prospectus says. Instead, it would be financed by public and private-sector investment in what it calls 'mega-projects,' from electric vehicle plants and data centers to beach resorts and high-rise apartments. Calculations included in the plan envision a nearly fourfold return on a $100 billion investment after 10 years, with ongoing 'self-generating' revenue streams...."
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"Gaza postwar plan envisions ‘voluntary’ relocation of entire population/The Trump administration and international partners are discussing proposals to build a 'Riviera of the Middle East' on the rubble of Gaza. One would establish U.S. control and pay Palestinians to leave" (WaPo).
What is the token worth? The plan says when the rebuilding is done, the token may be exchanged for a new 1,800-square-foot apartments worth $75,000 — right in this alien, gleaming place, rebuilt in the style of your enemy. Will the returnees gratefully toil in the new restaurants and hotels or will they see an opportunity for a glorious new era of destruction?
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Not in 1000 years will this happen. Wishful thinking fueled by the desire to make some money. Gaza is not Florida 100 years ago.
It’s important to put multiple options on the table if only to break the terrorist mindset that there is only one way forward.
Dreamers must dream. At one time some people wanted giant domes over cities. Saudi Arabia is trying to construct its 170 km The Line too. Given the militant attitude of the residents, this is set to turn into a fortress and more like Chicago's failed Cabrini-Green project than anything else.
You wouldn't have gangs and drug dealers next door, but guys with missiles and bomb workshops next door. I want to vacation there!
They choose destruction. But not \by the StayPuft marshmallow man.
This is a GREAT idea but the Gazans are too damn stupid to accept it. These are the same people who have allowed their so-called leaders to plunge them into war and misery while the top guys are living in luxury elsewhere.
Islam optimizes the next world, not this one. The token has to be good for virgins there or something.
What's gonna get built first: Trump Gaza or Pacific Palisades?
Incredible. Hamas/Iran sought to eliminate Israel/Great Satan, failed to do so, and now Israel/Great Satan will control all of Gaza and reap hundreds of billions of dollars. Unintended consequences on steroids.
Door #2 has a cow and three tons of Semtex. They'll take that one over the apartment and lifetime pension behind Door #3.
Be true to your school.
If there are barbarians that would destroy the new prosperous capital they did nothing to build it would be sensible to just kill them and let someone with higher than 80 iq have the token.
There are lots of options in the region. Several other countries have people who seem to be fine in wealthy cities. It would only take a generation at most.
"Will the returnees gratefully toil in the new restaurants and hotels or will they see an opportunity for a glorious new era of destruction?"
Are you serious, here annie?
Have you ever know Israel to keep its word? You really are a dumb blonde bunny.
This reads like it's from a pre-1986 tax reform act investment prospectus issued by a real estate developer pushing a project to generate passive losses. Without that sheltering aspect, the economics don't work. I'm thinking storage units except this time it's being pitched for housing people who seem unlikely to embrace living in high rises.
The weird thing is that Palestinians, when they immigrate individually rather than in huge refugee waves, become the ersatz Jews of the Arab world. They go into commerce and the professions. Lots of secular Pali expats would love a big multipurpose development like this, or take the buyout as seed money for a business elsewhere.
Also, Bellaire: Gaza is not Florida 100 years ago, mainly because 200 years ago Andy Jackson pushed the Cherokee, Red Sticks, Seminoles, etc, out of the good land. Guess we should start calling Netanyahu Old Hickory? Or Old Terebinth....RR, JSM
That's how Beirut used to be.
Fitz: "What's gonna get built first: Trump Gaza or Pacific Palisades?"
Oh oh, song lyric syndrome engaging:
Last night I took a walk after dark
A swingin' place called Palestine Park
To have some fun and see what I could see
That's where the girls are
I took a ride on a shoot the jew
That girl I sat beside in a Burka blue
And after while she was holdin' hands with me
My heart was flyin' up like a rocket bomb
Down like a Hamas tunnel
Back like a det cord loop
Paraglide all round and round
We ate and ate at a shwarma stand
We danced around to a rockin' band
And when I could, I gave that girl a hug
By a hostage in a rug
You'll never know how great a kiss can feel
When you stop at the top of a Hamas wheel
When I fell in love down at Palestine Park
You know it's Palestine Park
Down at Palestine Park
And I just found out Chuck Harris wrote the original! RR, JSM
Argh, Barris! From the Gong Show.
Everything else is failed so far. As outlandish as this plan is, it could not possibly be worse than what has gone on for the last 75 years.
Pogrom.
First we gave them Oklahoma, then we decided we wanted Oklahoma, so we put them on tiny reservations.
R C Belaire said...
Gaza is not Florida 100 years ago.
The British Mandate wasn't Israel 100 years ago, either.
As john mosby alluded, the plan functionally defunds UNWRA and disperses the current residents to deprive Hamas and Al Fatah of a recruiting ground, then develops the area for a new set of residents. Wrapped in a nicer package than the traditional version of 'Delenda Est'.
Urban renewal keeps failing because the urbanites are non-renewable. If you can't fix the mind viruses, you won't solve the problem.
I’m not token
‘bout what I got to say.
…a Riviera under clouds of entitlement and genocide. Not exactly class a..,
Mosby @7:17AM… lightning striking again!
Man, I’ve got Lou Christie (RIP) mixed up with Freddie Cannon… where’s my coffee!
Death cult mostly not interested.
Jew hate feeds their blood.
I think it's a great idea and a terrible idea all at once.
The best way to break Hamas is to break the leaders of the Iranian death cult. Certainly - stop giving Iran money like Obama did.
What I like about it - is the idea. Will it happen? no. Never.
But the idea is something new. Why not?
Given they ran with a crappy AI image for this promotion, their promise of an AI powered smart city seems even more dystopian (and likely bullshit)
New Tibet
As for Muslims, look to China. Maybe, baby, better?
Actually, America has already solved this problem very nicely. And no, I'm not talking about the Oklahoma reservations, I'm talking about the California (and other) casinos. Palm Springs and Santa Barbara/Santa Ynez Indian tribes looking very corporate and entrepreneurial these days.
People who reject and scoff at these kinds of ideas are shallow thinkers who end up condemning these people to perpetual wars and lives of misery.
Turn Gaza into a resort with Trump Gaza Hotel. Keep Palestinians out, or redline them to Egypt.
What Israel is doing is definitely NOT genocide. This would be. Dispersing a population to the four corners of the earth no matter how it's done is the definition of genocide.
Iman: Freddy "Boom Boom" Cannon is still alive. He recently wrote a new song for horror host Svengoolie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQ5gxAtXU-Q RR, JSM
a 'Riviera of the Middle East' on the rubble of Gaza.
Call it Cuesta Verde.
Nope. Too much hate in the region.
@planetgeo: "I'm talking about the California (and other) casinos. Palm Springs and Santa Barbara/Santa Ynez Indian tribes looking very corporate and entrepreneurial these days."
That may not work with Gaza and in Islamic culture any time soon. The US tribes got rich by exploiting loopholes in gambling laws during the fading portion of a moralistic era. In 1986, "liberal" California tried shut down tribal casinos for violating state laws (link below). Upon CA losing, the flood gates opened and many tribal economies shifted from selling baskets, blankets, and fireworks to running hotels and casinos.
While Dubai became a major tourist destination and Egypt maintains a strong tourism industry, Gaza would compete against both. There is surely some market for yet-another-beach-resort with a lazy river, infinity pool, and overpriced buffets, but Islam prohibits gambling.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_v._Cabazon_Band_of_Mission_Indians
Not to worry. It's all part of the plan.
The Palestinians immediately destroyed the infrastructure left behind by the Israelis when they departed.
The token will worth exactly what Gaza itself is worth full of Palestinians- nothing.
It is true that looters destroyed many of the greenhouses. It's also true that the withdrawing Israeli's dismantled or disabled many of them. Was there some general and intentional destruction of the infrastructure by Hamas or by Palestinians? I don't know, but maybe we don't just accept the official line on this.
The lighter side of this is that it shows that the president like so many of us grew up on the comic books and comic strips of the postwar years. Maybe there will be flying cars and underwater condos, a desalination plant, and an algae farm.
The darker side is that it's mad and monstrous.
The lighter side again is probably that it's not seriously meant and not likely to happen.
The darker side ...
The Palestinians are unique in world history in demanding reparations for losing a war they start, again and again and again. How about unconditional surrender, military trials and executions of all Hamas leadership and imprisonment for 20 to 50 years of every surrendered Hamas member, civilian food in exchange only for re-education for 5 to 10 years while they live in the rubble their behavior created around them, and maybe then re-evaluate the situation for any possible change to the war's losers' life conditions? Or just let someone other than Israel provide only foodstuffs for a 1 or 2 square mile tent city with nothing else provided until the occupants find places to live a minimum of 5000 miles from Israel?
"What's gonna get built first: Trump Gaza or Pacific Palisades? "
Also throw in the Cali train to nowhere.
The answer, of course, is Pacific Palisades. But that is because you did not stipulate the "build" be the prior owners' homes. Some big money and some gotta-help-(ourselves to the funds intended for)-the-poor groups will surely build this prime property.
“The plan estimates that every individual departure from Gaza would save the trust $23,000”
Departure to where? I’d rather live next to a toxic waste dump than a bunch of Gazans, and I’m sure most sensible people feel the same. Definitely NIMBY.
But Elon does need colonists for Mars…wonder if $23,000 apiece is enough for a one-way ticket….
Article 2
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide
Approved and proposed for signature and ratification or accession by General Assembly resolution 260 A (III) of 9 December 1948 entry into force 12 January 1951, in accordance with article XIII.
So bombing a city flat (I'm being devil's advocate) isn't genocide but paying the inhabitants to live elsewhere with a guaranteed interest in the rebuilt property is?
I can see how (c) above could possibly be read as applying in some fashion to the plan as presented but in the full context of the Article it seems much more likely to refer to either forced uncompensated eviction or something more like the Holodomor.
The proposal is a joke. And I'm not "condemning these people to perpetual wars and lives of misery."
That's their doing.
The Hamasidols tried to revisit Jordan in Israel and received a historically sympathetic response of equitable and inclusive proportion.
@mikee: "The Palestinians are unique in world history in demanding reparations for losing a war they start, again and again and again."
This has continued since the dawn of written history. They are the descendants of the Bronze Age Sea Peoples -- pirates and raiders who ravaged the eastern mediterranean thousands of years ago, and who then settled in Gaza.
See the "Philistines" in the Hebrew Bible. See the standard meaning of the term "philistine": materialistic, unintellectual, ignorant, and uncultured.
Known as the "Peleset" here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Peoples
In college a gf nanny’d for a jewish family what ran a clothing biz. I worked for them a bit. They would cut the fabrics in their Boston warehouse, ship to Gaza for sewing then ship the completed clothes back to Boston. Sometimes those boxes would come back with some creepy looking bugs…
…hope there’s good exterminators for those high rises…
Just remembered: Gaza is where Samson pushed the pillars apart, killing himself and all the Philistine nobility gathered in the temple of Dagon. Make of this what you will. RR, JSM
It's not the streets and buildings that make for a good, safe city; it's the people. History provides many examples of beautiful cities that were eventually destroyed because people embraced violence.
"They are the descendants of the Bronze Age Sea Peoples -- pirates and raiders who ravaged the eastern mediterranean thousands of years ago, and who then settled in Gaza."
Not true. The ancient Philistines have long since disappeared into the surrounding populations. "Palestine" was just a name the Romans adopted so as to de-Judaize the territory. Today's "Palestinians" are mostly indistinguishable from Jordanians, with some Egyptians mixed in. Many of them migrated into present-day Israel, Gaza, and the West Bank from surrounding areas after the Jews began draining the swamps and developing the land in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.
James K: Are any present-day Palestinians descended from Roman Empire Christians who were then converted to Islam when the Arabs came in? And would some of those Roman Empire Christians have been descended from...Jews? Has anyone done a genetic study to see if modern Palis have characteristic Jewish markers, such as Cohen genes on their Y-chromosomes? I could see how such a study would be controversial. I could also see how hilarious it would be if a significant number of Palis demanded the right to perform aliya-in-place, waving their ancestry.com results. RR, JSM
"Many of them migrated into present-day Israel, Gaza, and the West Bank from surrounding areas after the Jews began draining the swamps and developing the land in the late 19th and early 20th centuries."
That widely-believed fabrication was first published by Joan Peters, in her thoroughly-discredited book "From Time Immemorial". Which was allegedly plagiarized by Alan Dershowitz. It's a tangled web.
JSM: Watch the Israeli/Netflix series Fauda. Palestinians who speak Hebrew are the scariest terrorists because they pass for Israelis. You can't tell the players in the Holy Land without a scorecard.
Howard: Or on the flip side, Arab Jews. I don't have Netflix, but I have seen some Fauda episodes on MHz. Just found out from the Wiki page that, in a tragic example of life imitating art, one of the show staff was activated for the Gaza war and killed in a booby-trapped tunnel. RR, JSM
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