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১২৫টি মন্তব্য:
The last reported homicide in D.C. was on August 13th- a week ago.
First picture would make a great puzzle.
Yes, that would be a great jigsaw puzzle.
"Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem said Tuesday that the entire wall along the U.S.-Mexico border is going to be painted black to make it hotter and deter illegal immigration — an idea she said was "specifically at the request" of President Trump."
This has to be the dumbest idea in a long time. All the illegals need to do is wear gloves. (They are already wearing pants and shoes.) Duh! I think some of her Botox has traveled from her lips to her brain.
This story on DC crime is funny:
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/5461239-doj-investigation-dc-crime-data-trump-takeover/
After multiple paragraphs claiming that this is Trump going off "without evidence" that DC has a crime problem, it gets to this paragraph, buried down past Inga's attention span:
The investigation comes after the Metropolitan Police Department (MPD) suspended a former commander of one district after he was accused of shifting data on violent crime, NBC Washington reported last month. [Wait! Wut?] That district comprises three neighborhoods in the city.
Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche confirmed the probe in a Monday night interview on Fox News but said he was unsure whether any shifts were broader than the one officer.
“Well, no. I can’t tell you for sure whether it goes further, but we are, as you just suggested, we are, of course, looking into this,” he said. “Because the reality is that we know that D.C. has been an incredibly unsafe place to live for a very long time. And so in some ways, it’s not surprising that we hear about reports of this type of conduct that suggests that D.C. is safer than everybody that lives here knows to be true,” Blanche continued. “So, we’re investigating it, and hopefully, we’ll get to the bottom of it at some point soon.”
The D.C. police union, which supported Trump’s takeover of the force, has said it doubts crime is as low as the city reported.
I am old enough to remember when the media and our resident lefties told us that the airstrike on the Iranian nuclear enrichment facilities was ineffective, that the Iranians would be shutting down the Strait of Hormuz and crippling the West, and that WWIII was inevitable.
https://www.thetimes.com/world/middle-east/article/reformers-urge-an-end-to-uranium-enrichment-as-crisis-grips-iran-x9wdt5vgp
What would be dumb, Lonejustice, is to not paint it at all.
Lonejustice is mad that Laken Riley and Rachel Morin won't date him.
Strummin' my six string on my front porch swing
Look at those shrimp, they're beginnin' to glow
https://news.yahoo.com/news/articles/walmart-shrimp-may-exposed-radioactive-194716324.html
"This has to be the dumbest idea in a long time. All the illegals need to do is wear gloves. (They are already wearing pants and shoes.)"
I bet you are already taking up a collection to buy them, too. But I am not sure that you have ever lived in a hot climate where the sun comes down pretty straight and provides the full 1,000 watts per square meter not seen in Wisconsin, for example, where it is more like a nice warm 750 watts per square meter. A pair of gloves isn't really going to be the difference maker.
Iman: makes me wanna search for my lost shaker of (iodized!) salt.
RR
JSM
The black wall will work. All that is needed is a sign: "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here."
if you have seen the movie mile 22, you might be concerned about that shrimp, why are we importing shrimp from 4000 miles anyways,
cesium is some really nasty stuff, that the CIA is trying to round up, before Islamic State makes a dirty bomb
I finished semi-binge-watching the comeback of King of the Hill on Hulu. It may actually be better than the original series.
The main narrative conceit is that Hank and Peggy spent several years in Saudi Arabia, where Hank did propane work for Aramco. Therefore, he missed out on all the cultural and tech changes over here. Flimsy, true: IRL places like Saudi tech-ified faster than us, and Aramco's compound is like a little America, but whatevs. It gives the show the chance to poke gentle fun at the app-ifying of everything, social changes (some but not all: there is a running gag about ENM; grown-up Bobby's German/Japanese fusion restaurant gets targeted for double cultural appropriation; but nothing on 37 genders).
The key is the gentle poking. Hank is a live/let live guy, with common sense, who mostly doesn't want to be forced to adapt to changes. But some changes he does like: he jumps onto an Angi's List-type app to have something to do in retirement, and he has become a closet soccer expert.
Probably a lot of the tone is because Mike Judge is now a genuine old guy (he was only 32 when the original series started), so he basically is Hank Hill now.
I highly recommend it.
RR
JSM
Anybody that's ever worked in the oil patch knows that steel in the sun, rusty brown or black, gets too hot to touch - although the black coating is slightly hotter. Working in North Africa, my sunglasses used to leave first and sometimes second degree burns on my temples, where the metal pressed against them.
Putting paint on the wall will make it last longer, although in the desert regions of the Southwest there's so little rain it probably won't add much life to be honest - once you're away from the seablast. The visual effect, demoralisation, is probably enhanced by the paint though - it'll stand out better, stretching horizon-to-horizon, a nice crisp black line. Just like on the map.
We had a cesium source in the corner of a lab I worked in.
We were respectful.
“ The D.C. police union, which supported Trump’s takeover of the force, has said it doubts crime is as low as the city reported.”
President of the union said in an interview with Fox News that Captains and Lieutenants would routinely show up at crime scenes and instruct police at the scene to not write up reports or downgrade charges.
Easy way to get reported crime down.
narciso said...
if you have seen the movie mile 22, you might be concerned about that shrimp, why are we importing shrimp from 4000 miles anyways,
Because US environmental laws require that water leaving a shrimp (or any on shore fish farming facility) be cleaner then the water entering. A lot cleaner. The added cost makes it cheaper to ship shrimp halfway across the world to the USA then farming them here.
Meanwhile, wild crustaceans just shit wherever they want to in the ocean without asking the EPA if it's all right for them to do so.
AI overview: "Shrimp farms are primarily located in coastal regions of Asia and Latin America. Specifically, China, Thailand, Indonesia, India, Vietnam, Brazil, Ecuador, and Bangladesh are major producers. While the US also farms shrimp, it's a smaller portion of the global production, and often involves indoor, recirculating systems. "
Indoor recirculating systems... imagine the expense of that one feature.
sounds like a good show, why do they wall it off on Hulu,
the drek Fox now has on Sundays is terrible,
I was watching Nautilus on AMC, kind of a modernized take on Nemo, leaning on the Indian origins of the character, who in this case escapes from a prison run by the Company, which also was the ones who built the Nautilus, there is a vengeance motive behind his escape, and the crew that take the boat,
thats patently ridiculous, and yet like most everything our policies involve unsurprising, now cesium is not a naturally occurring element, so how did they come in contact with the Shrimp,
ah - that top photo is heavenly.
That photo looks like a Black Sabbath album cover!
But I’m working off memory.
the people like steven chu, of the energy department, who painted roads white because climate change, pepperidge farm remembers,
I’m enjoying the Rhode Island ‘I’m an AG’ story and the viral spread. Knowing RI it’s disappointing nothing will stick to her, except maybe a raise for her troubles. Fun nonetheless…
I see a tall wall and I want it painted black!
I’m told it get’s hotter than Hell where that wall will be built to completion. If it’s painted black, the wall will be Death Valley in the Summertime hot.
how does one get so lit, at a seafood bar, its a wonder she could stand in a straight line
I’m having an evening of bliss as the movement for a Rolex what’s been stranded in a parts tray over two years is assembled and ticking away under a dome on the kitchen bar. I’ll let it run tonight and some time tomorrow I’ll check it on the time grapher and see if there’s enough or close enough amplitude to strip it and get moving on assembly into a watch again…
…that’s a lot of chardonnay. I hope taxpayers weren’t footing the bill. The restaurant hosted some doozies back when America’s Cup was in Newport and some of those wasps can get pretty…salty after the alcohol. This crew tried to don’t you know who I am their way into prime real estate inside…I’m not sure AAH moves the needle much…
Yancey Ward said..."The last reported homicide in D.C. was on August 13th- a week ago."
Well, that will give the democrats the sads.
The second phot needs a boat or some waves to be a JMW Turner painting.
Maybe cull seemingly dead tree in middle of photo on top :-)
Maxfield Parrish--inspired images shines brilliantly. Kudos, Althouse!
What I don't understand about the RI drunk AAG is that she's already outside the bar. And she's not cuffed yet. So she left the premises of her own accord. I mean, if she remained inside between the time the staff asked her to leave and the time the cops showed up, I guess she technically violated the statute, but who the heck is going to use resources to lock someone up for that?
RR
JSM
Mike Judge's underrated "Silicon Valley" is worth finding. It is based on real people, incidents, situations in the tech industry, over a period of 25 years more or less. A character in the first season is a thinly disguised Peter Thiel, etc. A lot of it is in the way of being "blind items" (yeah, I know who that was! Etc.)
Well, its interesting to me, I was there at the time, albeit mostly being a buyer of Silicon Valleys products, and only intermittently, early on, a participant.
“but who the heck is going to use resources to lock someone up for that?”
Perhaps the cops involved have had more than their fill of dealing with teh skells and the DA’s revolving door justice.
Regarding the dumbest idea ever - all you have to do is ask AI or anyone who lives in Arizona.
“For a black-painted steel wall at 100°F ambient, the surface could reach 150–190°F in direct sun, assuming no significant cooling from wind or shade. In extreme cases, with minimal airflow and high solar exposure, temperatures could approach 200°F especially in desert regions like Arizona.
In shadier or windier conditions, or in cooler seasons like fall, the wall’s temperature would be lower, perhaps 120–150°F.
Gloves made of Kevlar, Nomex, or terry cloth are designed for high-temperature contact, offering protection up to 350–700°F for short durations. At 150–190°F, these gloves would likely prevent burns for brief contact (e.g., a few seconds while climbing). EN 407 Level 1 gloves (tested at 212°F) can withstand a 18°F temperature rise for at least 15 seconds. Prolonged contact (e.g., gripping the wall for climbing) could overwhelm the gloves’ insulation, especially thinner models. Most heat-resistant gloves are not designed for continuous exposure to hot surfaces, and dexterity may be limited, making climbing harder.
So who’s the dummy now?
Eva Marie is out to enforce the new standard. If you comment without consulting AI first you will be seen as a rube. Get on board guys.
And learn how to prompt.
Maybe just learn how to think.
Learn how to use that space between your ears for something other than making dumb comments. TickTock1948, that means you.
I'm sure almost nobody is happy that the national guard has to be deployed. In a better run world, the local police would have crime under control. Structural and systemic racism still exists, however, there is no doubt that the heavy crime zones of our city centers are the major factor now in the suppression of the poor who are dominated by racial minorities especially African Americans.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to predict what a horrendous effect it has on children growing up in that environment where drug dealing and permanent homelessness is conducted out in the open and the sidewalk is the bathroom.
I sure hope this move by the Trump administration in DC works and perhaps as a model for future actions that states can take independently.
I am thinking that the shrimp farm is somehow downstream of a poorly regulated dump where medical waste is thrown. Maybe, just maybe, we should be willing to pay the costs involved in growing safe food.
“Because US environmental laws require that water leaving a shrimp (or any on shore fish farming facility) be cleaner then the water entering. A lot cleaner. The added cost makes it cheaper to ship shrimp halfway across the world to the USA then farming them here.”
Tariffs will cure that.
Eva, snark is as snark does. Why so defensive?
It doesn’t solve the problem by ignoring it, or pretending the problem doesn’t exist.
Howard said...
I sure hope this move by the Trump administration in DC works and perhaps as a model for future actions that states can take independently.
It is at this point you need to accept reality. The elected Democrats and most Republicans around the country have a vested interest in letting inner city communities turn into festering shit holes.
The Homeless Industry and the Poverty Industry are big money for local governments. They are literally farming crime ridden neighborhoods and homeless encampments for cash. Nothing in this country makes politicians and their cronies more money right now than homelessness and poverty programs. Almost all of the tax money that is spent on these programs goes to people making more than6 figures.
Crony contractors build massive multifamily slums on land that is condemned and given to them by the government. All of the rent is paid for by taxpayers.
Crony hotel owners get to have 100% occupancy paid for by taxpayers while they house homeless people and illegal immigrants.
There is exactly 0 enthusiasm for ending any of this. Atlanta, Phoenix, St. Louis, Oklahoma City, Indianapolis and on an on. I don't even have to list the cities in blue states.
And the problem is the voters who elect these people. At some point everyone has to admit that we let too many people vote in this country.
We have a 35 Trillion dollar deficit because we let everyone vote.
Inga said...
“Because US environmental laws require that water leaving a shrimp (or any on shore fish farming facility) be cleaner then the water entering. A lot cleaner. The added cost makes it cheaper to ship shrimp halfway across the world to the USA then farming them here.”
Tariffs will cure that.
No. Cutting stupid EPA regulations will cure that. That is why Trump is cutting stupid EPA regulations.
Tariffs are rebalancing the tax burden and making Multinational Corporations pay their share of taxes.
But you don't actually believe a thing you say so all there is left is to make you look stupid.
“Cutting stupid EPA regulations will cure that. That is why Trump is cutting stupid EPA regulations.
Tariffs are rebalancing the tax burden and making Multinational Corporations pay their share of taxes.”
So you think the multinational corporations won’t pass down the cost of the tariffs to the consumer? Are you a Pollyanna?
Jaq said...
“I am thinking that the shrimp farm is somehow downstream of a poorly regulated dump where medical waste is thrown. Maybe, just maybe, we should be willing to pay the costs involved in growing safe food.”
Hey Jaq, cutting EPA regulations like Achilles says will cure that, eh?
TickTock1948 said...
Eva Marie is out to enforce the new standard. If you comment without consulting AI first you will be seen as a rube. Get on board guys.
And learn how to prompt.
Well, what Eva did was point out that painting the wall black has a tangible benefit in addition to sealing the metal against oxidation.
The walls were going to be painted anyways. That is what you do with ferrous materials.
It is kinda fun to watch people like you make yourselves look stupid by saying stupid things.
Inga said...
So you think the multinational corporations won’t pass down the cost of the tariffs to the consumer? Are you a Pollyanna?
Excellent! So you are for cutting corporate taxes on American businesses and income taxes on Americans!
You totally supported the Trump tax cuts right?
Right?!?
Self boiling shrimp. Brilliant.
According to an article I just read the shrimp are from an Indonesian company so EPA regulations are beside the point.
"so EPA regulations are beside the point."
Suppose EPA regulations are the reason shrimp is being sourced elsewhere...
Geez I was polled by Rasmussen twice this week. Wanting to know how Trump is doing. Who's paying for these things?
Another engineered "vaccine" fail- this time, polio. Courtesy of Bill Gates.
https://jonfleetwood.substack.com/p/new-bill-gates-funded-chimeric-polio
Saw a substack by Karl Karl Denninger quite a ways back about how to actually measure vaccine effectiveness. Simple. Do people who receive the vaccine, on average, live longer healthier lives if they receive it. On average- that's important. using this measure, influenza vaccines fail miserably. Their overall efficiency is remarkably low. Because it's guesswork as to what flu variety will be circulating. And if you don't get the flu, you're likely to get some other flu-like disease that has remarkably flulike symptoms. There are 3 major flu clades- and once you've had one infection- or vaccination- against those 3, your body is primed to defend itself against flu. Won't stop it, but your body has a head start fighting each subsequent infection. Seems people who get the flu shot religiously every year don't live longer healthier lives then those that don't.
Using this method- the covid shots (not vaccines) were remarkable failures as it seems recipients are living less long lives. The final score isn't in yet. My wife and I are 70 and 68 respectively, and it seems most people we run into our age aren't as healthy as we are in our unvaxxed state.
Measle vaccine? Tough call. We do know some children dies from the measles vaccine. And some die from measles. I remember having measles. There seems to be some debate about the numbers in both cases. I suspect, because it makes sense, that the children who die from measles are also the ones that would die from the vaccine...
Chickenpox is a much more miserable experience for most. The death rate from chickenpox or the vaccine both seem extremely low. Based on that- I'd have my children take it. Wasn't an option when they did have it, or when I had it... I have had my shingles vaccine. Caused by the same virus. I'd really like to know how that works. Same virus, different symptoms.
I do have doubts about the childhood vaccine schedule. Like, for example, why we're giving 3 doses of Hep B vaccination the fist 15 months of life. AI overview: "Hepatitis B (HBV) is a viral infection that causes inflammation and potential scarring of the liver. It can be a short-term, acute illness or develop into a chronic, lifelong condition. Transmission occurs through contact with infected blood or bodily fluids, such as during birth, sexual activity, or sharing needles. Vaccination is a highly effective way to prevent hepatitis B. " About ½% of the US population has HEP B. So looking at the transmission vectors- why are we vaccinating infants?
Achilles, always admired your posts. Was impressed by the level of detail in Eva's posts about gloves. But I would have thought that most commentators here had less fragile egos. Guess I was wrong.
↑ Achilles is a splendid example of Dunning Kruger at work, those who know the least are most convinced of their understanding.
Look at Little Bich- doesn't realize that he himself is the perfect example.
At this point in his comment history here consisting of literally thousands of predictions about what was going to happen, Kakabich is batting 0.000. Truly the Hall of Fame for Being Wrong.
The word that shall not be said. Except it must.
https://youtu.be/tn3211FNYWs?si=3-0VTV_xxPhaVr-_
most leftist democratic regulations are meant to hurt the businesses they want to hurt - and reward their cronies and personal bank accounts.
OK this make me chuckle.
“So you think the multinational corporations won’t pass down the cost of the tariffs to the consumer? Are you a Pollyanna?”
Holy Shit! In the service of Prog talking points, Inga inadvertently observes a reality that makes a mockery of… Prog talking points.
Gospace said:
"Saw a substack by Karl Karl Denninger quite a ways back about how to actually measure vaccine effectiveness. Simple. Do people who receive the vaccine, on average, live longer healthier lives if they receive it."
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Simple, my ass.
There are so many variables in peoples lives---their genetic make up, their existing health, the foods they eat, their alcohol consumption, the meds and illicit drugs they take, the ages when they take the vaccine---that attributing longevity to having taken a particular vacciine is just bloody nonsense.
So I call bullshit.
Kakistocracy said...
↑ Achilles is a splendid example of Dunning Kruger at work, those who know the least are most convinced of their understanding.
Look at Rich. Rich is so smart that he figured out how tariffs on multinational corporations cause inflation but taxes on Americans don't cause inflation.
He can explain how this is so right?
Right??
And do you actually know the economic equation that describes inflation Rich? I am actually curious. Please show us that you can actually type 5 words into ChatGPT.
I loved this. So much to make fun of!!
https://x.com/bennyjohnson/status/1958222971748712468
So ICE Barbie wants to spend billions on painting our unfinished border barrier an ugly black. She doesn't understand that panels don't last long down-under and there is always a place to walk through since the wall has never been finished because of constant repairs.
Now she wants a brand-spanking-new fleet of ICE aircraft to fly illegally captured prisoners all over the world. I am sure that we have older versions of military transports that were good enough for hauling military personnel are parked at Joint Bases all over the US. She cannot hire people to fight off floods and hurricanes but she can hire pilots and masked ICE personnel if they were willing. Unfortunately South Park took a week off.
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
I'm addressing politics for the last two generations. First, we had corrupt "Slick Willie" Clinton in the 1990s shift to the right per triangulation and centrist politics after losing the Grim Reaper election of 1994. At the same time, Pat Buchanan screamed into the wind about the rust belt, the struggling white working class, and protectionism. He was ignored by the mainstream back then, but it seems Trump heard him.
After the "protect globalism" side-trip following 9/11, and then the vacuous happy face symbolism and rise of open state corruption with Obama, Trump brought back Clinton's and Buchanan's politics. He has functionally imitated 1990s triangulation -- he's on the path not taken from 2000 to 2016. Santa Claus Trump is a big spender and not remotely a true conservative, just an aging guy with 1990s middle-of-the-road priorities. Welcome back Pat and Bill.
Today, imitation of Trump is the norm. After Trump 45, the puppet masters put out "Build Back Better" and "Joe Biden" as copies of Trump but with enough changes to keep power and the Obama $$$$$$$ flowing. Now, we have ranting Gavin Newsom and his Trump copycat social media "humor" posts. We have a tit-for-tat effort to gerrymander California decades after it was maximally gerrymandered. So much for Michelle Obama's "when they go low, we go high" rhetoric. Trump drew all the Democrats into mud wrestling now. They love it. Imitation. Flattery.
Those who are losing in politics imitate others as they struggle to gain or keep power. Yet, imitation delayed by a few years or a generation is a political winner.
I heard rumblings this morning (from Lavrov?) the Russians want to be part of the security force separating the two warring countries. An obvious non-starter, but typical of the Russian style of negotiating. Trump has an uphill battle.
Fox has Matchbox 20 on the play out. I wanna take you for granite! How about just a latte?
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is a true war hero. He served in actual armed combat and was wounded twice. Donald Trump, who got 5 deferments so he wouldn't have to be drafted during the Vietnam War, now calls himself a war hero. How pathetic.
Trump’s trade plan doesn’t just risk economic decline — it runs into a wall of reality. The U.S. simply doesn’t have the capacity to fully replace what it imports. And it’s not just about factories — it’s about people.
At its core, the trade deficit isn’t a sign of weakness, but of strength. U.S. consumption and investment have grown so much that domestic supply can’t keep up. Imports fill the gap. That’s not failure — that’s how global trade works: different countries contribute where they’re most efficient.
But if we really wanted to replace the $1 trillion goods trade deficit with U.S. production, we’d need over 7 million additional workers, based on average productivity. And we’re already short more than 600,000 skilled workers — a number expected to reach 2 million-plus by 2030.
Training takes years. Automation helps, but most manufacturing tasks can’t be automated — and even robots need people to run them. That leaves only one path: large-scale immigration. But that’s the very thing the current ideological leadership rejects.
So we’re stuck. The math doesn’t work, and the policy doesn’t bend. Without more labor, we can’t boost production. Without production, tariffs just raise prices. It’s not just bad economics — it’s a dead-end equation.
Yes botfly. We already discussed the value of painting metal to protect it from the environment. We know you just jump in to write your latest talking point and not participate, yet this talking point was already blown out of the water in a previous thread.
It is kinda fun to watch people like you make yourselves look stupid by saying stupid things.
Aaand....Gadfly takes up the challenge, at 3:17. I'm not sure that anyone else can defeat the master.
‘fly from teh Sty
Training takes years. Automation helps, but most manufacturing tasks can’t be automated — and even robots need people to run them. That leaves only one path: large-scale immigration. But that’s the very thing the current ideological leadership rejects.
Apparently other countries don't have this problem. They manage to manufacture things without years of training. We need to allow millions of highly skilled and pre-trained illegals to come in to fix this.
Real days of heaven...despite the occasional Igna-minious among us constantly clouding any emergent chances of sunshine.
Leningrad Cowboys and Red Army choir rock Lynyrd's tune...
https://x.com/krus_chiki/status/1957920069968884117
Gadfly just said black is ugly! I’m telling!
TickTock1948 said...
"The black wall will work. All that is needed is a sign: "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here."
They need to paint tunnels and roads leading up to them.
(meep, meep)
600,000 workers short? Even if true, nothing that a modest downsizing of the federal government wouldn’t cure.
The EPA cherry picks the studies on things they want to implement and will then message the data. And sometimes they'll just make stuff up.
john mosby said...
What I don't understand about the RI drunk AAG is that she's already outside the bar.
she's outside alright; but:
they Keep telling her, that if she'll JUST LEAVE it will all be over..
and she KEEPS saying NO.
i'm assuming that she's in their parking lot.
WHY won't she just walk away? Good question.
possibles:
i) her car is in the lot, she KNOWS that IF she gets in: DUI
ii) she's just THAT stupid
"i" doesn't make much sense, because she could get the car LATER.
"ii" seems to be The Only Answer. The police KEEP telling her that they DON'T want to arrest her, and that she could JUST walk away.. and she WON'T.
I'm not sure WHAT her problem was. There is much more to the story than the video we've seen, that's for sure.
WHY did the place ask her to leave? WHY did they call the cops?
Her friend got an additional charge for disorderly conduct (or such), and SHE didn't. In the video, she's MUCH more disorderly (and resisting) than the friend.
ALSO; there are male voices offscreen during the video, that "SEEM" to be with them, as i said: there's MUCH MORE we don't see
Achilles @ 8:27 PM, interesting take on how government has cashed in on the poor. I realize offering a progressive link would be akin to asking a vampire to stare into a crucifix but after the Micheal Brown shooing in Ferguson 10 years ago, ThinkProgress ran an interesting article of the money machine of that city. If it doesn’t hurt your eyes too much, you might find it interesting. https://archive.thinkprogress.org/its-racist-as-hell-inside-st-louis-county-s-predatory-night-courts-21be3d5bf723/#
Kak/Richsockpuppet/paidActbluetroll said:
"So we’re stuck. The math doesn’t work"
That's Rich, coming from the side for the last 15 years claiming "2+2=5" because of...::checks notes:: "equity!" Or something....
Kakistocracy said...
So we’re stuck. The math doesn’t work, and the policy doesn’t bend. Without more labor, we can’t boost production. Without production, tariffs just raise prices. It’s not just bad economics — it’s a dead-end equation.
There was exactly zero math in your post.
I will help you out: The equation for inflation is MV = PY.
Now do me a favor and tell me where tariffs are in that equation for me.
This is where you will learn that there is no difference between tariffs on Multinational Corporations and taxes on Americans.
I realize that most of you understand this rather easily and it may be tedious but Rich is a moron so we have to take a little extra time with him.
Achilles, you’re right that MV = PY (money supply × velocity = price level × output) is the basic identity for inflation, but that’s not the entire picture and you left out something important: tariffs directly affect P (prices) by raising the cost of goods.
A tariff is effectively a tax on imports. Companies pass that cost down the supply chain, so consumers and producers pay more for the same product. That’s why Trump’s steel tariffs raised costs for U.S. manufacturers that rely on steel, and why some of our most inflation proof industries such as bourbon exports fall when retaliatory tariffs hit.
So yes, tariffs don’t show up as a new variable in MV = PY, but they shift P upward and Y (output) downward. Less output at higher prices isn’t just “math,” it’s bad economics for working Americans.
You said it yourself: “there is no difference between tariffs on multinational corporations and taxes on Americans.” Exactly — they both land on us.
I worked summers in a shrimp plant during the May season — $5 an hour, sometimes 120+ hours a week. One stretch I logged 63 hours in three days, shoveling shrimp out of boat holds, running peeling machines, packing and stacking cases. Crews were a mix of locals and Mexican guys, some probably undocumented — good workers all of them. It was grueling work that aged those guys in their 30s beyond their years, and unless you’ve done it you wouldn’t really understand it. I only did 7 summers, and it left its mark on me.
We had regs too — peeling used well water, packing had to use treated utility water, and shells and heads were hauled off instead of dumped in the bayou. That was just what I saw; I’m sure it was more complicated for the owners. It was my grandfather’s cousin’s plant, my grandmother worked there until 70, and pretty much everyone in my family has done time in a shrimp factory. So when people debate imports and EPA rules, I think of those costs written into the work itself.
Appeals court tosses Trump civil fraud penalty
You said it yourself: “there is no difference between tariffs on multinational corporations and taxes on Americans.” Exactly — they both land on us.
So tell me why you people constantly whine about billionaires paying their fair share and then get mad when billionaire oligarchs and their multinational corporations have to pay tariffs.
Trump cut taxes on Americans and raised taxes on billionaires.
Explain how that is bad.
Uneventful, with Sierra Leone out of TRAVERS 5 horses in the race not a good wagering event. SOVEREIGNTY was listed at 2/5 and might go 1/9 before gates swing open. I ill look at 1 other beautiful thoroughbred and check out what a cold $100.00 exacta will pay , if I could get $5.00 for the 1-2 finish I might send it in. Its sad such a great race with such limited contenders. C'mon BREEDERS CUP at DEL MAR(short home stretch makes it hard to close, fast and firm dirt and turf and speed favoring figures will be an interesting wagering and challenge on the Worlds best racing day of the most beautiful animals on 4 legs. Madge check ticket prices to DEL MAR .
I like the visual echoes (leaning tree, pink cloud) in the first one. Without the tree it would be pretty but not outstanding IMO.
US retail giant Walmart warns Donald Trump’s tariffs are pushing up costs ~ FT
CEO Doug McMillon says group is watching its ‘costs increase each week’
No way, Walmart!! I was told very clearly on the Althouse comment boards that the tariffs will be paid for by the countries exporting or by the re-sellers (importers) in the US.
Are you now saying that I the consumer has to pay the tariff? That it will come up on my inflation numbers? I wouldn't have thought of it like that at all.
Anyone (Achilles) who thinks that you can tax a good and the price not rise must have an IQ of 12. Stable genius…
Fun facts about WMT. At the end of 2013, it did about 28b in operating income, at close to 6% operating margin. 12 years later (today), it is doing about 28b in operating income, at about a 4% operating margin.
Back then, the market valued it at 200b, which was 11x PE. Today it is valued at 820b, 43x PE. FCF yield went from 7% to 1.5% in that 12 years. Growth has been cyclical in the mid-single-digits throughout.
The majority of its market cap gain came in the past year and a half. At the beginning of 2024, it was a 400b company.
WMT is a great company, but damn this US equity bubble is insane....
NY Appellate Court Tosses Letitia James' Judgment Against Trump
Key decision: The New York state appellate court finally issued its decision on Trump's appeal of the verdict and judgment in the civil fraud lawsuit brought by Letitia James, after a delay of nearly a year. The court declined to reverse the verdict, but called Judge Arthur Engoron's judgment a violation of the Eighth Amendment. The appellate court reversed the entire monetary penalty and kept the business restrictions on hold...
Anyone (Achilles) who thinks that you can tax a good and the price not rise must have an IQ of 12. Stable genius…
Everyone has noticed you cannot answer the question:
Why are tariffs on Multinational Corporations different than taxes on Americans?
Answer the fucking question you intellectual coward.
Contrary to up-thread assertion, cesium is a naturally occurring element; (only) its Cesium-133 isotope is stable (while Cs-135 and Cs-137 can get produced in nuclear weapons/nuclear power processes). So, all natural cesium is Cs-133, which has a proportion in earth's crust of about 2 parts per million (about the same as uranium). Thus, an average of about 5 grams (1/5 ounce) out of every cubic meter of ordinary dirt worldwide is cesium.
Achilles, I honestly don’t even know where to begin with that statement. Are you saying billionaires aren’t “Americans”? Or that tariffs magically work like a tax increase on the wealthy, but not on the rest of us? It sounds more like a slogan than economics.
Here’s the real-world math:
The 2017 tax cuts gave corporations and billionaires the biggest breaks, while the middle class got modest, temporary cuts that are already set to expire.
The OBBBA is even worse and once fully implemented (conveniently right after the midterm election) it’s going to transfer the wealth upward like we’ve never seen.
Tariffs didn’t “tax billionaires.” They raised prices for farmers, manufacturers, and consumers. That’s why U.S. farmers needed $28 billion in taxpayer bailouts after China retaliated. Ordinary Americans picked up the tab twice — once at the store, and once through federal subsidies.
So if you’re being honest, and that seems to be quite a stretch here, Trump’s policies cut taxes for billionaires and raised costs on working Americans. That’s not a slogan, that’s what happened.
Re: Walmart
Seems to suggest that Trump et al will have succeeded in cementing a bifurcated, “K-shaped” economy where the upward slanting cohort of the population continues to be the source of consumption. Wealthier over time.
The other downward slanting fork of the letter K is headed for hardship and depression era levels of malaise. With each passing day, the gulf between the two forks widens and a “middle” class becomes harder to see in reality writ large.
Not sure such a massive wealth disparity of a K-shaped economy at the national level is a long-term positive. We shall see.
RJW @ 9:36
Now do wages. You're assuming that everything is static, but you are wrong.
Do you support the instituting of a national VAT, Ronald? Do you support higher taxes on capital?
Ronald J. Ward said...
Achilles, I honestly don’t even know where to begin with that statement. Are you saying billionaires aren’t “Americans”? Or that tariffs magically work like a tax increase on the wealthy, but not on the rest of us? It sounds more like a slogan than economics.
Answer the fucking question you fucking coward:
Why are tariffs on multinational corporations importing goods made outside the country different with respect to inflation than taxes on Americans and goods produced in the USA.
Just answer the god damn question for fucks sake.
Rusty, wages don’t rise in a vacuum. If tariffs push prices up faster than wages, workers fall behind even if their paycheck number is bigger. That’s exactly what we’ve seen — inflation from supply chain costs and tariffs eating away wage gains.
Yancey, nice try at making me defend ground I didn’t choose so before we go down the VAT rabbit hole, let’s stick with what’s already on the table: Trump’s policies cut taxes for the wealthy and raised costs for working Americans. Whether we need a VAT or higher capital taxes is another conversation, but it doesn’t erase the fact that the 2017 cuts and the OBBBA tilt heavily to the top while shifting costs downward.
Kakistocracy said...
Re: Walmart
Seems to suggest that Trump et al will have succeeded in cementing a bifurcated, “K-shaped” economy where the upward slanting cohort of the population continues to be the source of consumption. Wealthier over time.
The other downward slanting fork of the letter K is headed for hardship and depression era levels of malaise. With each passing day, the gulf between the two forks widens and a “middle” class becomes harder to see in reality writ large.
Rich does not understand why moving all blue collar jobs to China and importing cheap products made in China hurts blue collar families in the USA while benefiting white collar professionals who don’t care where things are made.
The k shaped economy is thus a mystery to our confused retard avenger.
Rich is just a fucking idiot.
Ronald J. Ward said...
Rusty, wages don’t rise in a vacuum. If tariffs push prices up faster than wages, workers fall behind even if their paycheck number is bigger. That’s exactly what we’ve seen — inflation from supply chain costs and tariffs eating away wage gains.
That is not what we have seen. You are lying.
Inflation is much lower now than it was in the Biden administration.
You made a pathetic attempt to deal with MV = PY above. Inflation was higher in the Biden years because Biden exploded M. The tariffs have very little effect on P compared to what our government does to M.
And you can’t even start to tell us why tariffs are different from taxes.
Nobody thinks you are smart or that you really know what you are talking about. You are too dishonest and you never deal with the actual points that people make here because you can’t.
No, Ronald- you are the one going on and on and on, thread after thread about how tariffs fall on consumers. Well, here is the harsh truth- taxes of all kinds fall, ultimately, on consumption since no one spends money the government took away from them. If you don't like tariffs as a way to raise government revenue, then what do you support? You claim to want to have a debate but then you don't offer a position other than one of opposition to tariffs.
In other words, what would be better than tariffs?
Yancey Ward said...
Do you support the instituting of a national VAT, Ronald? Do you support higher taxes on capital?
I do. As labor is replaced by capital it is necessary to move the tax burden from labor to capital.
Realistically if we want a significant portion of the population gainfully employed we will have to zero out taxes on wages and salaries and revenues and shift the tax burden to electricity and robots.
This must happen and we have less than a decade to make it happen.
Achilles, I didn’t say inflation today is higher than in 2021–22. I said tariffs drive up costs in specific sectors faster than wages can keep pace, and that’s been borne out every time we’ve had a farm-labor shortage or a retaliatory tariff on exports like bourbon or soybeans. That’s not a slogan, it’s what happened in the real economy.
As for “tariffs vs. taxes” — tariffs are one of the least efficient ways to raise government revenue because they concentrate costs on specific industries and consumers, often in unpredictable ways. That’s why U.S. farmers needed $28 billion in taxpayer bailouts after the last round. If the goal is raising revenue fairly, tariffs are the wrong tool.
Yancey, you asked what’s better: I’d rather see a tax code that actually collects a fair share from those who can afford it — closing loopholes, ending special breaks for carried interest and offshore profits, and not giving away permanent corporate cuts while making middle-class cuts temporary. That shifts the burden upward without clobbering farmers, consumers, or rural hospitals in the process.
The point isn’t to dodge alternatives. It’s that tariffs and bills like the OBBBA are blunt instruments that raise costs on working Americans while billionaires walk away with the real benefits.
I have no expectations of breaking through the tribal defense here or cracking the encapsulation but what’s going on is exactly what I predicted to happen when Trump won reelection- that he would use the Steve Bannon playbook to “flood the zone with shit” while the billionaires went for the jugular. That’s exactly what we’re seeing.
Ronald J. Ward said...
Achilles, I didn’t say inflation today is higher than in 2021–22. I said tariffs drive up costs in specific sectors faster than wages can keep pace, and that’s been borne out every time we’ve had a farm-labor shortage or a retaliatory tariff on exports like bourbon or soybeans. That’s not a slogan, it’s what happened in the real economy.
“Costs in specific sectors” is code for multinational corporations having to share the tax burden.
Nobody is arguing costs for certain products will go up because of tariffs.
We are arguing that multinational corporations should have the same tax rate as domestic corporations and domestic labor.
Everything you are throwing out is just pure garbage trying to deflect from the core issue. We believe that the tax burden needs to shift from purely on domestic production and that multinational corporations need to contribute.
You cannot make a case for applying taxes only to domestic companies. I am calling you out for your evasion and dishonesty.
I have no expectations of breaking through the tribal defense here or cracking the encapsulation but what’s going on is exactly what I predicted to happen when Trump won reelection- that he would use the Steve Bannon playbook to “flood the zone with shit” while the billionaires went for the jugular. That’s exactly what we’re seeing.
Pathetic whining.
Just explain why tariffs are different than taxes.
Explain why we should not shift some of the tax burden to multinational corporations and lowering it on domestic production.
Just be honest for once in your life.
So, you do support increased taxes on capital and your objection isn't about its incidence ratios, right? It is ok here to say you support higher income taxes, too. However, you have repeatedly couched your opposition to tariffs as a tax on consumers when pretty much everyone one in these threads has pointed out to you that it isn't really that simple since it is companies selling goods and services to the U.S. who is remitting the money- in much the same fashion of how the corporate income tax doesn't fall entirely on consumers, either.
However, even on the firmer ground of efficiency, I don't see a tariff as necessarily worse than even an income or corporate tax since a tariff can be applied evenly, such as Trump's proposed 10% baseline on countries that meet requirements of reciprocity. Really, what is the unique distortion that makes a tariff worse than a corporate income tax? You mentioned the lack of taxing of overseas profits- where does this come from- it certainly doesn't come from the U.S. tax code unless you are trying to say it is a loophole to get a credit for foreign taxes paid by international subsidiaries.
Achilles, that’s exactly the goalpost movement I was pointing out. Earlier you insisted tariffs were raising taxes on billionaires while cutting them for Americans. Now you’re saying “nobody is arguing costs won’t rise” and shifting it to a debate over multinationals vs. domestic companies. Those are two very different arguments.
Here’s the problem: in practice, tariffs don’t operate like a clean corporate tax. They raise consumer prices, spark retaliation that hurts American exports (farmers, bourbon, manufacturing), and still don’t prevent multinationals from passing costs onto workers and customers. If the goal is making billionaires and corporations pay more, then let’s talk about fixing the tax code — not using a blunt tool that lands hardest on American producers and consumers.
According to the Yale Budget Lab, the average effective tariff rate in this economy right now is 18.2%
Let me put that another way.
The Trump administration has raised taxes on American businesses and consumers by -- on average -- 18.2%
No rate decrease in September, Powell aint liking what he sees! Numbers going wrong way.,i would say not even this year...Thats a bet with 50% chance of being correct :) trump will wet his diaper and have to fire somebody(but it wont be Powell)
Ronald J. Ward said...
Achilles, that’s exactly the goalpost movement I was pointing out. Earlier you insisted tariffs were raising taxes on billionaires while cutting them for Americans. Now you’re saying “nobody is arguing costs won’t rise” and shifting it to a debate over multinationals vs. domestic companies. Those are two very different arguments.
Here’s the problem: in practice, tariffs don’t operate like a clean corporate tax. They raise consumer prices, spark retaliation that hurts American exports (farmers, bourbon, manufacturing), and still don’t prevent multinationals from passing costs onto workers and customers. If the goal is making billionaires and corporations pay more, then let’s talk about fixing the tax code — not using a blunt tool that lands hardest on American producers and consumers.
You just blathered incoherently.
You want the entire tax burden to fall on domestic production and domestic labor while foreign corporations and oligarchs to pay nothing.
That is all.
Achilles, you just proved my point about goalpost shifting. I never said foreign corporations should “pay nothing.” What I said is that tariffs are a blunt tool that end up raising prices on Americans while billionaires and multinationals shift the costs down the line.
If the goal is making corporations and the ultra-wealthy pay their share, then the straightforward way is to fix the tax code — close loopholes, stop rewarding offshoring, and end permanent cuts for the top. Tariffs don’t solve that problem; they just disguise it while working families pick up the tab.
Whining again.
The only tools that make the multinationals and oligarchs pay taxes are the blunt instruments like tariffs which inordinately affect multinationals and foreign oligarchs.
You can pretend that tariffs affect American workers more than income taxes. But nobody is going to buy that. It is stupid to even try to assert it.
We want higher tariffs and lower income taxes. Trump delivered that.
Nobody believes you want to fix the problems with the tax code. Nobody thinks you want to fix the regulatory leviathan that actually does raise prices by orders of magnitude more than tariffs. Nobody thinks you care about lower prices. We see you fighting Trump when he tries to solve those problems.
You are here in bad faith.
Achilles, I have a strict rule of never posting online after my second drink of the evening. With that said, you keep repeating that I’m “lying” or “dishonest,” but you haven’t refuted the points. So let me leave readers with a bit of history.
Before we had a federal income tax, the U.S. relied almost entirely on tariffs. Those tariffs raised the cost of everyday goods for working families while protecting monopolies that just passed the higher prices along. That imbalance was one of the main reasons Congress and the states adopted the 16th Amendment in 1913 — that’s not opinion, that’s literally why we changed the Constitution — to shift the burden off working people and onto those who could afford it.
So when someone insists tariffs don’t hit consumers, they’re not just ignoring modern examples like farm bailouts — they’re overlooking the very history that led us to adopt an income tax in the first place.
Long day, and that second pour for the evening sounds pretty good. I’ll leave you to sharpen the next round of goalpost moves for another day.
You constantly post inane crap about things that happened in history that are self contradicting and wrong. Your inane words and agonized misstatements of history mean nothing here.
You cannot make the argument that tariffs raise prices more than income taxes.
Income Tax raises the cost of goods on things produced domestically.
Tariffs raise the cost of goods on things produced in other countries and imported here by multinational corporations.
1$ of tariffs has the exact same cost as1$ of income tax.
Prove me wrong.
Use Math.
Broad-based taxes (income, VAT, or BAT) or carbon taxes are more efficient than Trump’s tariffs for raising revenue. They offer greater stability, less economic distortion, and lower risk of trade wars. A BAT or modest corporate tax increase could match tariff revenue with less harm, while a carbon tax adds environmental benefits. Tariffs may serve specific policy goals (e.g., protecting industries), but for pure revenue generation, they are inferior due to their regressive nature and economic costs.
Trump (and Achilles) lives in a parallel universe and bullies everyone to inhabit it as well. The problem is: while he can bully people he cannot bully reality. Reality has a 100% track record of winning against wishful thinking.
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