From "Unease at F.B.I. Intensifies as Patel Ousts Top Officials/Senior executives are being pushed out and the director, Kash Patel, is more freely using polygraph tests to tamp down on news leaks about leadership decisions and behavior" (NYT).
I've made a new tag — "lie detector" — and gone back and applied it to old posts. Interesting to see how many times the topic has come up:
April 2004: "[E]ven if the lie detector was not to be used on [Omarosa], and, indeed, even if lie detector tests are not reliable, if she believed it was to be used on her and believed it was reliable, her running off at the sight of it is some evidence that she had lied in her accusation about the other contestant....."
April 2005: "Everyone on TV was into analyzing why [the groom-to-be of the Runaway Bride] would take a private lie detector test, but wanted special conditions before he'd take the police test. He wanted it videotaped, and the police refused...."
July 2005: "Some researchers attached sensors to 101 penises and then showed the possessors of these penises either all-male or all-female porn movies. It was kind of a lie detector test, because the men had all professed to being heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual...."
October 2008: Ashley Todd, the woman who claimed a black man had carved the letter "B" on her face.
June 2012: "'$1.1 million-plus Gates grants: "Galvanic" bracelets that measure student engagement.'... [I]sn't this basically a lie detector? And if so, won't students train themselves to fool the authorities?"
April 2013: Looking back at Richard Jewell, who was given a lie detector test by his own lawyers to push back the FBI.
March 2018: "[For Elizabeth Warren t]o be willing to take the [DNA] test would generate evidence of her belief that she was correct, and she might want to create that evidence, which has meaning, whatever the result of the test shows. But I see the reason to decline to create that evidence, just as I see reason not to take the corpse test or a lie detector test, even when you are innocent...."
August 2018: The Jimmy Kimmel/Omarosa incident came up again in the context of Kimmel explaining his refusal to attempt to appeal to Trump fans.
September 2018: The notion that Christine Blasey Ford "passed a polygraph test."
April 2020: Christine Blasey Ford's lie detector text comes up in the context of the Tara Reade allegations against Biden.
June 2021: F. Lee Bailey's obituary.
October 2023: Arnold Schwarzenegger, interviewed, said "If politicians don’t feel comfortable with the truth, that’s nothing unusual. These guys can lie better than anybody. Some people do that in order to get re-elected. For that, they will say, 'Yes, this election was rigged.' If you put them on the lie detector, I can guarantee you it’ll be a different story. But that’s OK. They have to play their schmäh in their game, and it doesn’t mean I have to buy into this whole thing."
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Most of the people being "pushed out" belong in jail.
There is not nearly enough "unease" at the FBI.
Too busy chasing Kash Patel's "enemies" to chase America's enemies.
Maybe a polygraph test should be a prerequisite for any NYT reporter writing a story about anything, before it's published.
Bless your heart, Kak.
I'd take Patel's side in any dispute over FBI policy, without needing to hear the details at all.
' "In May, one senior official was forced out, at least in part because he had not disclosed to Mr. Patel that his wife had taken a knee during demonstrations protesting police violence...."
LOL. "not disclosed" does not mean he failed to mention it. Not disclosed another way of saying he lied when asked about it.
Every person in a mask on Jan 6th - was a FED.
Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of people. The Bureau classifies everything - even prosaic criminal cases - as a way of stealing them from other agencies and to make it harder for Congress and such to examine them. Kash can just use the other edge of that sword: "Hey, everything's classified - I think you've been mishandling it - strap on that 'graf!"
JSM
Too busy chasing Kash Patel's "enemies" to chase America's enemies.
Very likely the same crowd of bug-eyed lefties and other dopes.
- Krumhorn
Also, similar to academia, federal law enforcement is suffering from a 30-some year indoctrination program. Back in the 90s, because of past lawsuits, fear of future lawsuits, and 8 years of Dem government, all the federal LE agencies scrapped their hiring processes and reingineered them to favor minorities and women. 30 years later, this means the senior career executives are minorities, women, and the white men who learned how to get along with minorities and women. In other words, lefties. Then in the Bureau, whose historic mission has included going after racist cops and the Klan, even when all the agents were white guys in white socks, the lefties were able to ride that anti-right wave even farther than they could in the rest of the government.
This got to the point that career Bureau managers really couldn't tell the difference between their real job and what Obama and Clinton (and W, for that matter) had them doing.
So the stable-cleaning is needed.
JSM
"In May, one senior official was forced out, at least in part”
You don’t need an electronic lie detector to know that is not the whole story. fbi agents apply lots of techniques to find crimes and become sanctimonious only when it is applied to them. Lie detectors should be an at will tool by leadership to protect against corruption. If you are dirty, or leaking to the press, too bad. If you are a whistleblower, go to the doj or IG.
Kak-a-phoney
America's enemies are leftists.
"The F.B.I.’s increasingly pervasive use of the polygraph, or a lie-detector test, has only intensified a culture of intimidation."
Good for the general population, good for teh gander. And if they’re found to be telling lies, throw the book at them!
Th corrupt bureau of investigation says, “we can’t comment on an active case”. And then runs to the NYT.
" phony "
Poor poor Soviet grfiting leftists - they need their grift, lies and power - and no one should be able to push them away.
Give those convicted a tour of the federal prison system, Jan6 style!
But if an agent who legitimately talked to the news media in a previous role had to take one, he said, 'that’s
going to be an issue.' 'I never used them to suss out gossip,' he said.
The words “legitimately,” “previous,” “issue,” and “gossip” are doing a lot of heavy prevarication in that sentence.
This is exactly what the DNC and their operatives at the FBI have brought on to themselves because of political overreach.
Kashyap Patel. We need to use his proper name.
The FBI used to say something along the lines of “Why do you object to a polygraph if you have nothing to hide?”
Kakistocracy said...
Too busy chasing Kash Patel's "enemies" to chase America's enemies
What are you bitching about? It gives you time to get your affairs in order and dash off to some place that doesn’t have an extradition treaty with the US.
The FBI has clearly become politicized. This is America. We can't have that. That's what the KGB was.
Patel's job is to un-politicize it. It's a very difficult job.
josephbleau @9:22, my very thought, about the "forced out" agent. Or, actually, more about the reporting: what's the likelihood that the reporter has a source other than the speculation of the forced-out guy that the wife's protest activities - specifically "taking a knee" - contributed to his ouster? Wouldn't the reporter have to have found the person who fired this guy and asked that person why he was forced out, and that person would have had to say something like, "Well, I can't tell you all the reasons, but in part it was because he didn't tell us his wife took a knee"?
Because it seems to me that the likelier scenario is that the reporter talked to the fired guy, who said, "I don't know why I got canned! I mean, they gave me a polygraph - a polygraph. What a dick move. And next thing I know, I'm being walked out."
Reporter: "Setting aside its appropriateness, can you think of anything in that polygraph that they might have reacted to?" (Which of course means something the operator indicated that the guy reacted to.)
Guy: "Nothing! Nothing important - I didn't tell them my wife went to a BLM protest and took a knee during the anthem. I mean, we've got Supreme Court justices' wives flying MAGA flags and nobody makes a peep. I should get fired for my wife taking a knee?"
So in my scenario, what actually happens is that the guy is asked something that, of her were being 100% forthcoming, he would have answered by telling the story about his wife. He doesn't, which the operator flags as a questionable response. Who knows what else he wasn't forthcoming about, that he just chose not to tell the reporter either?
Is it an appropriate method? [shrug] In certain walks of American life, people accept strictures on their civil liberties that private citizens need not. The military, for instance. It seems to me that the FBI, the Secret Service, the CIA ought to be the same.
I don't trust polygraph lie-detection. I wouldn't trust it even if they called it truth-detection.
NYT is understandably concerned about losing nameless snitches and or the ability to claim they have such snitches who compromise the integrity and security of the FBI.
The FBI gives lie detector tests to applicants for Special Agent as a matter of routine.
Liars get indignant when accused of lying. The NYT is getting indignant on behalf of their FBI sources here.
"I don't trust polygraph lie-detection ...
I don't trust the New York Times because they win Pulitzer Prizes on false pretenses for reporting on fake news ... stuff like the FBI running fake Russia Collusion hoaxes. Or the FBI using Deep Throat leaks to execute a coup on a a sitting President.
They richly deserve everything they're getting.
Finally, the FBI routinely uses polygraph testing on American citizens during their fake, unrecorded "investigations." I support them getting it right back up their f8king keisters.
"I don't trust the NYT . . . ."
I thought that was understood around here.
So why isn't the polygraph called a truth-detector, anyway?
I have a sort of vague idea that only Americans believe in the polygraph. I want to know whether someone is lying; there must be a machine that can help. Right next to the one that will make my face younger, the one that will cause me to lose 20 pounds overnight, and so on.
The FBI has historically felt like it had a duty to destroy democratically elected presidents who went against their militarist agenda. Nixon recognized Taiwan as part of China, well, Truman didn't send those warships down the Strait of Taiwan to keep the Chinese from reclaiming that which the defeated Empire of Japan had taken from them, just for their health! We were going to need Taiwan to use it to subjugate China the same way the Japanese did, the same way we used Britain to take back Western Europe!
Trump stands in the way of their Ukraine project which is similarly motivated.
"Liars get indignant when accused of lying."
I saw that once in person, and it was kind of shocking that I still remember it with wonder 50 years later. Another time on video I saw Bill Clinton wagging his finger, and I thought, maybe those "right wingers" are nuts...
It's been politicized since J. Edgar Hoover, but Eric Holder really weaponized it for partisan purposes. No responsible president can leave that hive of scum and villainy to its own devices.
If that institution had not shown itself to be so corrupt with an utter disregard for the law over the last few decades, this would not be necessary. There's a clean up going on. Those who are used to corruption as a way of life in government may be shocked at this, but so many of us out here are watching without distress.
A counterrevolution is not a dinner party.
Kakistocracy said...
Too busy chasing Kash Patel's "enemies" to chase America's enemies.
The Democrat platform is our enemy. People like you who support it should be encouraged to leave the country.
You don't belong in a free high trust society. You are incompatible with it. You do not have the virtue and honor required of a citizen in a free society. The FBI is intended to be the federal agency that suppresses elements incompatible with our society.
If we are going to have a free high trust society then we need to suppress people like you.
Per the WaPo, which is the FBI/CIA's favorite outlet for politically motivated leaks, Robert Mueller and James Comey were both "proteges" of Eric Holder.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2017/live-updates/trump-white-house/trump-comey-and-russia-how-key-washington-players-are-reacting/brothers-in-arms-the-long-friendship-between-mueller-and-comey/
But remember, they are, say it with me... Life Long Republicans!
No lie detectors are needed to figure out Kak’s lies.
Nixon also ended the Viet Nam War, a heinous crime in the eyes of the security state, and they made him pay for it, and through their control of the press, made sure he never got credit for it.
Yes, how are Comey and Mueller reacting to the story they fabricated and planted? Enquiring minds want to know!
Everyone who was a part of Crossfire Hurricane needs to be put in jail. They are evil people and they are enemies of the society we want built.
"In May, one senior official was forced out, at least in part because he had not disclosed to Mr. Patel that his wife had taken a knee during demonstrations protesting police violence." Not sure how and what he had been requested to disclose, but the failure and the kneeling are legit issues, no?
It is the only way to purge the agency of agents who talk to the democrat media to damage the presidency. And sorry, the FBI has NO CRED and NO REASON to question their loyalty, because they have shown none. Go get them Kash.
And of course because it is the NYTIMES it is loaded with democrat positive spin. Not sure I believe any of it.
"Kakistocracy said...
Too busy chasing Kash Patel's "enemies" to chase America's enemies.
6/1/25, 8:50 AM"
You mean like parents at parent-teacher meetings? Or pro-hamas students? Or BLM rioters? Those folks. Get over yourself.
How many agents on the payroll of the NYTimes work for the FBI?
The rules are pretty damned clear- if you work for the FBI you are not allowed to discuss any work matter with outside parties of any kind without management approval- it is literally against the law.
It could be worse. It was worse. They could be branded as witches, warlocks, babies, or, Stork forbid, male PoWs with right-wing influences.
PoPs don't fare much better under minority reports dictated by Critical Diversity Theory.
"Remember, George, it's not a lie if you believe it."
Unrelated but when is Trump or Patel going to point out that the FBI has no legislative, constitutional or legal basis for existence?
John Henry
“ Kashyap Patel. We need to use his proper name.”
Why? No one, except maybe his mother, ever called Jimmy Carter “James”. Or, indeed Joe Biden “Joseph”. Foreign first names are routinely Anglicized, at the insistence of their families. Thus, “Sandy” for Sandeep, a patent attorney I worked with, “Eddy” for Eduardo, our landscaper, and “Warren” for a Chinese friend we have in Las Vegas. Loaned him money, and that’s how he signed the note, and the lien on his Trump unit - which was fine, since that’s how the property is titled with Clark County, NV. I asked him his real (given Chinese) name, he rattled it off, but told me that the only ones who use it are family and back in Taiwan and the PRC. He’s put together a group that’s buying a hotel/casino, and has promised us a room there whenever we want one, so I will call him whatever he wants.
The left insists that we call biological men “women”, and visa versa, the J6 protesters “terrorists”, illegal aliens “undocumented”, BLM riots “mostly peaceful”, etc. So, why can’t Kashmir go by whatever name he wants?
A Kashyap by any other name can still clean house.
That story about bisexuality among men is just a confirmation of the folk wisdom that men are hard wired, get it? nudge nudge, and women are more flexible, shall we say. Except of course that they didn't use meters to measure women's arousal (they exist), because, well, they probably knew what they would find and didn't want to find it.
Bruce Hayden said...
“ Kashyap Patel. We need to use his proper name.”
Why?
Because Rich is a racist piece of shit and he is signaling to his tribe that they need to attack this person because of their race.
Patel needs loyalty because the Leftwing FBI agents have shown they will sabotage him and his agenda. And feel virtuous in doing so.
More than most people, you just can't trust people who work in the FBI and the Deep state - because they're able to convince themselves that by lying and/or secretly being part of the "resistance" they are doing "Gods work".
FBI Director Pat Gray probably wished he'd given Mark Felt a polygraph test. Felt told Gray "Man to Man" on "My word of honor" that he wasn't Deep throat. LOL!
I think that they probably went into that experiment with an agenda that "bisexuality doesn't exist" because, and things happen so fast, you may not remember this, there was a time when bisexuals were on the outs with the gay community. So if they discovered that bisexuality was as common as it seems to be, well, that would be bad! So they won't find what they won't look for, and everybody will be happy!
Oh, dear. “Former agents”. Surely no ax to grind. And absolutely credible. Like laptop Russian disinformation credible, even.
I agree, Cuck, let's use proper names! And let's use the polygraphs routinely on everyone in the law and intelligence agencies. I'd love to extend the use of lie detectors to the political and NGO classes. It wouldn't work on the tens of thousands of lawyers in DC as they are masters at lying and getting away with it.
Sheridan said...
I agree, Cuck, let's use proper names! And let's use the polygraphs routinely on everyone in the law and intelligence agencies. I'd love to extend the use of lie detectors to the political and NGO classes. It wouldn't work on the tens of thousands of lawyers in DC as they are masters at lying and getting away with it.
It wouldn't be a proper interrogation without taking their phones and electronic communications first.
When you interrogate criminals you should know the answers to about half the questions you ask.
Are they trying to get us to feel sympathy for FBI agents? Dream on.
No holdover FBI employee is entitled to any benefit of the doubt. Do whatever it takes, Kash.
All criminal prosecutors and all criminal defense lawyers know full well that all lie detector tests are so unreliable that they are inadmissible in a court of law as evidence.
lonejustice said...
All criminal prosecutors and all criminal defense lawyers know full well that all lie detector tests are so unreliable that they are inadmissible in a court of law as evidence.
Lawyers do not know shit about how "unreliable" lie detector tests are.
Lawyers pretend they know things. Lawyers have no idea how counter intel works or what you actually use lie detectors for. They have built a world where they are the source of truth and they block and obscure the tools people can use to find the actual truth.
Really lawyers are good at memorizing things most of which nobody should be forced to care about but they weaseled their way into government and made it happen. That's about it.
NBC News is honestly reporting that anonymous sources told them the DNI is attempting to revamp the Presidential Daily Briefing. They report that Trump doesn’t attend them as often as his predecessor. So they were going to make it into a video presentation like a Fox News segment to get him to pay attention.
Having been catfished, NBC News reached out to the DNI and White House for comment. The response was NBC News is laughably gullible.
Seriously: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/rcna209805
Personally I want every politician to submit to a lie detector test after making any public speech, after a debate, during a committee hearing, or on the floor of the Senate/House chamber.
JIM said...
Personally I want every politician to submit to a lie detector test after making any public speech, after a debate, during a committee hearing, or on the floor of the Senate/House chamber.
They should have their electronic devices seized and unlocked and examined first. All of their bank and trading/brokerage accounts should be listed and audited. All of their assets listed.
Then you can have a proper interrogation.
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