"... he will not have full access to the White House, he will be like any other person. He is a truly evil guy, a very bad guy. I made it my personal thing to take this guy down. Before, because he put money in, I was prepared to tolerate it; I’m not prepared to tolerate it anymore.... This thing of the H-1B visas, it’s about the entire immigration system is gamed by the tech overlords, they use it to their advantage, the people are furious.... Peter Thiel, David Sachs, Elon Musk, are all white South Africans. He should go back to South Africa. Why do we have South Africans, the most racist people on earth, white South Africans, we have them making any comments at all on what goes on in the United States? We have been fighting this fight for ten years.... We are going to expose the entire corruption of the American system, of how money controls everything...."
Says Steve Bannon, quoted in "'I Will Do Anything' to Keep Elon Musk out of the White House" (Breitbart).
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Steve Bannon is a grifter. Who even listens to him? Not Trump.
Sorry to see Bannon lose it.
That’s nasty and counterproductive. Perhaps he’s being manipulative and trying to consolidate the trades but when you’ve made the sale…
I chose St. Patrick’s Day as the deadline for Musk and Rama to be run out of DC. See the irony?
Oh yeah, I was wondering how Steve Bannon got himself run out of the first Trump Administration. At this point I'm convinced the grifters are cannibalizing each other.
Does Bannon have any power that we should listen to him?
Sounds like Steve Bannon is about to find out how little clout he has.
Sounds like Steve Bannon is about to find out how little clout he has.
Bannon is the past. Musk is the future. Both know it.
Before, because he put money in, I was prepared to tolerate it; I’m not prepared to tolerate it anymore
I can’t think of a worse epithet for Steve Bannon than to simply point out he believes that statement.
I know precious little about Steve Bannon, but from the excerpt, he seems very comfortable and confident shooting his mouth off, which seems to be a personal trait that gets respect these days, so maybe he knows what he's talking about.
Steve Bannon went to jail for Donald Trump didn't he? I guess we'll see if that buys him anything.
I don’t see anything wrong with this. Trust but verify. Elon Musk, Bannon, Trump - they’re all human beings. They have our interests in mind but they also have their own interests in mind. We see in California today what happens when we hold individuals above criticism.
Well let’s hope not.
Why the ad hominem histrionics instead of policy points? Maybe Bannon feels like he's loosing whatever influence he had to the likes of Musk?
Minimum salaries, an auction of a capped annual number of H-1B visas and establishing legal recourse for US workers forced to train their replacements would largely address Bannon's issues, would it not?
who's this "Steve Bannon" ??
There's a lot more snakier snakes in DC.
I've read enough comments in here to know that Trump's supporters loathe EVs. Yet they seem to admire Musk. In addition, they hate elites. Musk is very much an elite. Very rick people, whether Soros or Musk, have no real convictions beyond securing and protecting their power, interests, and wealth. Bannon may be a loose cannon, but so is Trump, and the latter's willingness to throw Bannon aside is just one example in a disturbing pattern . Also, while I'm no fan of Bannon or Trump, he's onto something here. I know people on the left hate Musk, I know the press is after him. Sometimes even people you don't like are right.
I don't know if it's really true that rich people only care about protecting their own power, etc., I think it's more a matter that rich people are pampered and isolated from the problems and struggles ordinary people face. It's like they are another species really.
I'm old enough to remember when it was common to make the bad guys in movies and TV shows white South Africans. And so is Bannon.
All of those mentioned are facilitating those in the intelligence community who are creating the new/expanded security state. Thiel is J D Vance's sugar daddy.
Ravings of a madman. He is Biden with the volume turned up.
Strong words, to be coming from a man who looks like he sleeps on a park bench. I'm skeptical of what Musk might have in mind, but I do take some comfort in his achievements, which have obviously had a huge impact on society and have generally improved mankind. Bannon? Not so much, aside from a profession in the hot air business.
He's either a cop on a 60's TV show or guy on a cartoon.
I think it's fair to say -- the Althouse commentariat would agree Jane Fonda's visit to Hanoi was one of the worst acts of treason in American history. But yet have no problem with Elon Musk's regular conversations with Vladimir Putin.
Good. Trump likes opposing positions stated, and the anti-H1B needs a voice. Bannon isn't wrong about the tech bro scam this program has been.
Steve Bannon is full of Steve Bannon. Yesterday’s lunch. End of story.
" But yet have no problem with Elon Musk's regular conversations with Vladimir Putin."
That might be true, but I have no way of knowing, as we are not at war with Putin, and Musk's alleged conversations are not broadcast by the Kremlin as a US Anti-War propaganda opportunity. Do you see the difference?
One reason immigration restriction aka sensible immigration goes nowhere is that we have people like Steve Bannon leading it. What a loose cannon this guy is! When he was at the Trump white house he spent all his time fighting everyone else, and here he is taking shots at Musk.
And calling someone a racist? Dissing South Africans? Its hilarious to think what Bannon would've called Musk if he'd come from Israel and not South Africa. And Goddamn, and there's nothing more annoying than some white person calling another white person racist. Boomers just cant let that go. And they never understand how stupid it is. Y'all are considered racists by the Left especially the non-whites ones. You too Steve.
Hiring cheap foreign labor only benefits you if you're the only one doing it. Otherwise the advantage gets competed away and goes to the consumer, not the business. And in fact you're required to do it or you'll go out of business.
Tulsi Gabbard would like a word.
I've read enough comments here to know that many of the Trump supporters who comment own EV's. And that Musk's purchase of Twitter and stand on free speech may quite literally have saved our country.
Most of the people with any degree of power and influence, for good or for bad, are very rich. Some have more principles than others.
Musk, like almost all of SV execs, loves H-1bs. They make his life easy. That he supports the program, and wants it expanded, isn't remarkable. But he shouldn't be making policy in this area.
But why single him out. Or the other execs around Trump? George Soros had dedicated his fortune to open borders and mass immigration of the 2nd and 3rd world into North America and Europe. And so have numerous Billionaries. Even the ones that don't make money off it. Many of them think its a good thing. Especially for Jews.
I've never understood why the Indian Programmers and Engineers have to come to USA to work. There's no reason why they cant stay in India. Has Musk or Silicon Valley heard of the "Internet"? Everything is done on computer. And the work product can be transfered accross the globe in a nanosecond.
My impression is that South Africa has turned into a third world country under black rule, which seems to happen a lot in Africa. Mandela gave the country a good start but it didn't hold.
I used to log in on systems in India to fix this or that. Long character delay time so visual editors were out. Hence my continued use of /bin/ed for all editing even today.
Disinformation bot is up early today.
Changing the subject is an apropos strategy for a loser.
More than a few right wing grifters like Nick Fuentes try to rapidly shift between claiming their influence made President Trump's victory possible (lmao), and that President Trump is compromised/ hates Americans/ not actually Trump.
There is a case to be made for President Trump relying less on Elon Musk, but only the truly dense would consider putting the grifters in his place. Actually, I wonder if their presence is designed TO keep nationalist influence in check.
Bannon does know a thing or two about evil.
Donald Trump is a billionaire himself, imbecile. I have no idea why the NPC left and the VichyCons think "but they're elites" is going to work to divide MAGA when it historically never has. People can tell the difference between normal rich people, the Epsteinites, and the lackeys/ drones who absolutely infest online spaces without ever actually influencing them.
The US pays literally millions of programmers in India, mostly doing fairly stupid stuff (endless rehashing of patterns in Java). US pays many thousands of actual engineers in India, many doing interesting work and VERY motivated. Last I saw, these guys were making $20-60K.
They all would like to spend at least sometime in the US, hoping to make some real money. Many go back, having made some money or just not happy so far away from home. US employers like having them come over and work long hours cheap.
BTW, working long hours cheap is how ALL young engineers get started.
There is so much wrong with Guitar Joe's "hot take" I almost dont know where to start, and much of it has been hashed out in pieces over many different threads, so a couple quick bullet point responses:
-1) Conservatives/"MAGA"/whatever dont hate Electric Vehicles. Total BS and stupid. They do hate govt EV purchase mandates by "dates certain" and govt EV purchase subsidies. BTW, Tesla sales far exceed the max number of total fed govt sales subsidies and Teska is the only EV manufactureer that can turn a profit oer car sold without subsidies.
2) No conservative/"MAGA" types "hate "elites". Far too vague and nebulus a statement. Self-made "elites" that actually create real stuff and were not coopted by the woke/deep state etc have always been accepted. The fact that it took years of behind the scenes corruption of the tech/business/investor sector which finally opened the eyes of many silicon valley types is a welcome development since many of those silicon valley elites have mentalities which needed that bludgeoning, politically, to finally wake to the fact the real societal danger is from the naturally fascist left.
3) Musk has literally ZERO in common with Soros, and only a buffoon could argue otherwise.
4) Trump has not reversed himself on his long-standing opposition to EV purchase mandates or subsidies.
5) there is a tech side blindness to how the H1B programs have been and continue to be abused and this inner, yet quite public and healthy debate, on the Trump supporter side is an absolutely necessay fight to have to raise all the issues and force all sides to hash it out...in public. Transparently.
I have already gone on too long here.
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