November 11, 2024

"She doesn’t believe in labels for her own sexual orientation and has little interest in dating other women, but she does believe in political lesbianism..."

"... as a way for women to establish lives separate from men — with an emphasis on the 'political' rather than the 'lesbian.' 'I don’t need to try being a lesbian, because in political lesbianism, I can just be a person, like a normal person — a human being. I can be in a safe place,' she told me as we drank sweet-potato lattes at a campus café. The most important thing, in her view, is the absence of men. 'Always, when I use the word "safe place," it means the place for women.'"

From "A World Without Men/The women of South Korea’s 4B movement aren’t fighting the patriarchy — they’re leaving it behind entirely" (New York Magazine).

That's featured on the home page, but I see: "This story, about women in South Korea who identify as part of the 4B movement, was originally published on March 8, 2023. In the days following the election of former president Donald Trump, interest in the movement has spiked dramatically."

Yes, I showed interest in it yesterday, here, linking to the NYT article "A Sex Strike Is a Losing Strategy for American Women."

And I blogged the New York Magazine article the day it came out, here, March 8, 2023. I quoted more of it at the time, and — I see now — I included that "political lesbianism" quote. 

60 comments:

tcrosse said...

There's the rub. Is there room in womens' safe spaces for biological men who claim to be women?

rehajm said...

…as we drank sweet-potato lattes…

I don’t think you can expose that to an American audience and expect them to pay attention to whatever manipulation you’re trying to pull…

Aggie said...

As others have been pointing out, they won't be needing any abortions then, now will they? Something else left behind, which is good news, because it means they're going away, while sane people are moving forward.

rhhardin said...

The women only metaphorically muff each other.

doctrev said...

All the wages of modern feminism, and the major way women can think of to exert power goes back to Lysistrata. As an argument for Gilead, it's shockingly articulate.

Cappy said...

Huh?

n.n said...

Political transgenderism? Is that the same as transpoliticism? Evolutionary dysfunction go hand in hand. #NoJudgment #NoLabels

n.n said...

They could move to the Isle of Lesbos where some people are gay and others are somber.

Dixcus said...

Times of India:

"Women on social media are creating unsettling videos depicting murder-fantasy scenarios in which they poison men's drinks, framing these as a response to concerns over abortion rights under a potential second Trump presidency. These viral videos, garnering millions of views across TikTok, show women sinisterly smiling while adding unknown "poisonous" substances to beverages. The video creators have branded their content as part of the "Make Aqua Tofana Great Again" ("MATGA") movement, referencing both Trump's campaign motto and Giulia Tofana, a historical figure whom they've adopted as their inspiration."

These women are WILDLY insane.

And our nation's enemies are using Tik-Tok to drive them insane. It should be banned in the United States.

Dixcus said...

These broads are INSANE. They are drinking coffee made out of sweet potatoes? W.T.F???

Dixcus said...

It is ILLEGAL for women to set up women-only safe spaces other than bathrooms.

n.n said...

While celibacy is a choice, only a depraved mind would celebrate, advertise, normalize it. Special, Peculiar, Liberal, Corporate interests

rrsafety said...

So brave! What a legacy to leave to their daughters! .... oh, wait.

NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...

The most important thing, in her view, is the absence of men.

"Political Lesbianism" = Misandry?

RCOCEAN II said...

Men who refuse to date women = pathetic incel losers
Women who refuse to date men= brave feminists fighting for women

RCOCEAN II said...

Usually someone who "doesn't believe in labels", its because they don't like the label. If i ask you 'are you a lesbian?" and you say "I don't believe in labels" that means you're a lesbian.

Leland said...

Political Lesbians: Woman who think they are a fish and can't ride a bike.

n.n said...

In diverse progressive sects, it is brayed that the clinically insane will rule the world.

Iman said...

“They’re eating teh dogs. They’re avoiding teh dongs.”

Dave Begley said...

Whack jobs.

Dixcus said...

I am completely FOR this movement and have been encouraging all leftist women to join in. It accomplishes two important goals:

1) Defunds Planned Parenthood

2) Gets these defective genes OUT of our pool.

These are worthy goals in and of themselves.

planetgeo said...

I have no problem with lesbianism...their bodies, their choice. But political lesbianism is political stupidism. I say stupidism instead of just stupidity because it represents a kind of doctrine or system to purposely pursue a foolish strategy that's counter to your goal.

In politics the goal is to win. It's harder to win if your strategy starts by antagonizing and eliminating about 50% of your potential voters. (See Harris/Walz 2024). "Political stupidism" defined.

planetgeo said...

They're drinking teh sweet potatoes.

Dude1394 said...

Whew trump already benefiting humanity. Another tranche of the gene pool removed.

Blackbeard said...

I believe South Korea has the lowest total fertility rate in the world at around 0.72 and dropping. What we are witnessing there is perhaps the first example in world history of a country committing collective suicide. This movement, obviously, isn't helping.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/south-koreas-fertility-rate-dropped-fresh-record-low-2023-2024-02-28/

Jersey Fled said...

Sweet potato lattes? Sound disgusting.

motorrad said...

Blackbeard is correct; Korea is committing national suicide and I don't know why. I've been doing business there for 15 years and lived there for 3. It's a beautiful country and the people are hard working, industrious, and friendly. They are extremely proud and protective of Korean culture so it's confounding why they are knowingly letting it die. They are a little more open to foreigners than Japan, but unlike America, 2nd generation children of immigrants will not be Korean. Korean culture is so complicated it has to be taught from birth. So in 100 years, there won't be a Korean culture. Too bad.

Lazarus said...

Wasn't that the message of hardcore feminism in the beginning? Fish mate with other fish. Not with bicycles. Most women just weren't willing to connect the dots and go all the way back then.

But if Korean men are that intolerable, have Korean women considered dating and marrying foreign men? American men who find American women intolerable have been looking overseas for mates. Korean women may find foreigners waiting for them. Not the same American guys who are ordering brides through the mail, but more evolved types (or guys who are evolved enough to pretend that they are more evolved).

William said...

Some time back I read about a woman who was charged with witchcraft and whose services was utilized by the ladies at the court of Louis XIV. Some of the women would go to the witch for potions of spells to cause men to fall in love with them. Some other women would go to the witch for poison to unburden themselves of the husbands. My guess is that the poison was more effective than the love potion. The woman was not publicly tried as a witch because some of her customers were quite famous and favorites of the King.

gilbar said...

'Always, when I use the word "safe place," it means the place for women.'"

so, help me out (i'm Brain Damaged (TBI)..
how does having people with penises showering with your daughters, and jacking off while watching them, fit into all this?

Is it The Word MAN that scares you? or, their penises?

gilbar said...

exactly! The New Shakers!

gilbar said...

how does North Korea fit into this?
There are MILLIONS of hungry North Korean women.. That would LOVE to be asked out for dinner and a movie.. MILLIONS of them

Peachy said...

If you see Manson family cultists - er I mean - Maddow family leftists with shaved heads and blue bracelets - you will know you are in the presence of ... a nutter cultist. Keep clear.

Peachy said...

Women who HATE Trump so much - they carry that over into hatred of ALL men.
Good luck with that.... nutters.

(sweet-potato lattes??? )

n.n said...

Diversitists exercise liberal license to indulge color judgments and class bigotry with diverse motives and excuses.

Peachy said...

LOL. Yes. and cry babies.

Skeptical Voter said...

I think one of the 4Bs is "no babies". Like the Shakers, any group that espouses "no babies" will eventually die out.

Bruce Hayden said...

I can see problems. We get Korea Air crews I hear, overnight, several nights a week. The female flight attendants are almost all beautiful. The pilots and first officers are male and typically handsome. And they don’t talk. Almost at all. The only flight attendant the males will talk to, at all, are the leads (powder blue jacket and ivory shirt, versus blue shirts and ivory jackets for the rest of them). And that is rare. It’s weird, with the two groups standing next to each other. The flight attendants won’t ask the pilots for help, even if they really need it. We had one almost melt down, because she didn’t know how they were going to get to the airport. The front desk suggested that she ask one of the pilots, who seemed completely unconcerned. Nope. She couldn’t do it.

Narayanan said...

yummy sweet-potato-latte Korean sweet potato latte is one of the most popular fall/winter drinks in Korea.

It has a velvety smooth texture and has a slightly sweet and a tint of savory taste. While subtle, its roasted sweet potato fragrance will give you a warm and cozy feeling!

Dixcus said...

Kamala Harris lost the day that Bud Light hired away Melissa Heinershtupid from Listerine.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

‘"Never interfere with an enemy while he’s in the process of destroying himself" ....or herself.

These women are nucking futs

Roger Sweeny said...

What a strange world. If men said similar things, they'd be charged with toxic masculinity.

Robin Goodfellow said...

Are we talkin’ sweet potato lattes, or …

walter said...

"Political lesbian" sounds more woke than "misandrist".

Rosalyn C. said...

Nothing changes except the vocabulary. Political lesbians used to call themselves bi-sexuals which meant they couldn't form a healthy relationship with a man so they decided to try dating women. Lesbians were well advised to stay clear of bi-sexual females because they couldn't form a healthy relationship with a woman either. Political lesbian is the new term.

RNB said...

You can just decide to 'be' a lesbian for political reasons? I thought it was 'born this way.' Or are they 'Schroedinger's Lesbians' -- straight or gay depending on which is more advantageous in the moment?

Balfegor said...

Korea has accepted more foreigners than Japan (especially rural brides and Southeast Asian servants), but my subjective experience is that they are much more xenophobic than the Japanese are. That said:

(a) I do think that Korean instinctive hostility to and disgust at foreigners (e.g. their smell) is a lot more mild than 20 years ago.
Although on the other hand, the idea of foreigners as unclean disease vectors got a big boost during corona , e.g. the leftist candidate in the 2022 election famously orderded all foreigners resident in the province he governed be tested early on in the pandemic. And

(b) The tourism explosion in Japan may have made the average Japanese much more hostile to foreigners than, say, five years ago. Certainly I hear more about restaurants refusing to serve foreigners today than I did ten years ago, although it's been a phenomenon all along. So I don't know how much is a real change and how much is people noticing it more. I've never experienced it myself.

Mason G said...

Works the same way as "strong and independent" or "victim of the patriarchy"- whichever benefits them the most at any particular point in time.

Craig Mc said...

Sounds like the minefields are shrinking on Tinder. If they really wanted revenge on males, they'd marry them.

mikee said...

Women intent on homicide likely don't broadcast it on social media in advance.

As Dashiel Hammett once wrote, and I paraphrase, they feel the edges of their kitchen knives, thoughtfully.

Iman said...

I think a 3 week, all expenses paid vacation in North Korea might cure what ails these ladies.

Danno said...

sweet potato pie or I shut my mouth?

traditionalguy said...

Political Lesbianism sounds like hatred for men. Or does she thinks that’s a challenge to men. Either way she’s trouble.

The Cracker Emcee Refulgent said...

Jesus, yes. The guillotine or 50 years of the rack?

Not my own wife, natch. These harpies...

Mikey NTH said...

That the writers talk of things like this latte and then their publications print it is a tell - "How to say you're a late Bourbon French aristocrat without saying that." How about writing an article that isn't self therapy? Have any of this publications writers ever written an article that is on a subject that is not "me, me, me,"?

Mikey NTH said...

I thought that was Raymond Chandler "Red Wind"?

Prof. M. Drout said...

There was (maybe still is) this weird phenomenon in high schools and colleges of young women who have "girlfriends" who are actually young men dressing as women and calling themselves trans.
Those young women fit the category of "political lesbians," in that they read enough groupthink-inducing ideological gibberish on Tumblr to make them believe that they SHOULD be lesbians, but try as they might, they just can't bring themselves to be physically attracted to women's, um, anatomies.
So some enterprising young men, similarly ideologically warped by being relentlessly harangued that masculinity is "toxic," etc. figured out that they could not only get fawned over by teachers and other authority figures but even get laid by being "trans" to the extent that they wear some makeup and nailpolish and the occasional dress.

Dr.Bunkypotatohead said...

So they're plotting to poison their men, but Trump is the vicious one?

Jerry said...

Sheer projection. They see in him what's actually within themselves.

Doug said...

Repeal the Nineteenth