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"Some scholars have been surprised by their findings about gender and how candidates translate to viewers."

"One experiment enlisted actors to re-create a Clinton-Trump debate — repeating lines, gestures and facial expressions but with the genders swapped. Audience members were asked about their views afterward.... 'That project was really shocking for me,' said Joe Salvatore, a New York University professor who co-led the experimental performance. He had thought that viewers would react more negatively to a female Trump and more positively to a male Clinton because of gender bias — for instance, an aversion to a confrontational woman. But plenty liked that the female Trump was 'strong' and 'concise' — and conversely took issue with how much the male Clinton was smiling."

From "Analysts say Trump faces risks heightened by gender when he debates Harris/Political analysts say there are particular risks for Donald Trump — heightened by gender — in coming across as a bully when he debates Kamala Harris" (WaPo).

I blogged about Salvatore's project back in 2017 — with video of the gender-reversed debate. What a revelation! Watch:


I think it's great that the audience appreciated a woman talking like Trump and didn't like the Hillary mannerisms in a man. And Kamala Harris has a lot of feminine style that I'm afraid comes across as subordinate: the laughing, the smiling, the whole-body shaking, the nodding of the head as if desperate for approval, the ever-changing voice. It doesn't show leadership ability, and we can see why Trump is getting mileage out of saying that world leaders will "walk all over her" and "She'll be like a play toy."

५३ टिप्पण्या:

Hassayamper म्हणाले...

Psssh. Trump should just be himself. If he comes across as overbearing or aggressive, it will surprise exactly no one. Assuming he can refrain from enormities like calling her out as a whore for the time she spent as Willie Brown's semen receptacle, I suspect he'd gain more votes than he lost for an on-brand performance that kicks her ass rather than kisses it.

Lilly, a dog म्हणाले...

The man playing Clinton has a creepy look and is a little light in the loafers. Maybe that has something to do with the result.

Sebastian म्हणाले...

"Kamala Harris has a lot of feminine style that I'm afraid comes across as subordinate: the laughing, the smiling, the whole-body shaking, the nodding of the head as if desperate for approval, the ever-changing voice. It doesn't show leadership ability"

Correct. Sorry about the long quote, but I think it's worth emphasizing the essential point. Not sure it will make any difference, but it seems rather important in picking a president.

john mosby म्हणाले...

Lilly, though, is the Hillary shtick what’s making him seem creepy and loafer-light? We dont see his everyday affect.

JSM

PS: “loafer-light” would be a great Homeric epithet. “Then came Lindsey, loafer-light defender of the palmettos….” - j

Goetz von Berlichingen म्हणाले...

Loafer-light is the Shoebomber's gay porn name.

Mark म्हणाले...

a lot of feminine style that I'm afraid comes across as subordinate

Giorgia Meloni is all feminine and she doesn't come across as subordinate.

If only she could run for president here.

Dixcus म्हणाले...
ही टिप्पणी लेखकाना हलविली आहे.
Dixcus म्हणाले...

"I 'ain't no whars tarred." - You mean changes like that? When Kamala Harris adopts her black Ebonics voice in front of "Detroit" audiences? Those "voice changes."

Peachy म्हणाले...

too much emotional BS and victim-clubbing in our culture.

PM म्हणाले...

Trump needs to keep his cool even if Kamala says "Don't knock on my window like that."

wild chicken म्हणाले...

Wow that was great! That Brenda gal should to fit office! See this is what we need in a first woman president. Our Thatcher from Queens.

And I can't believe MSNBC aired it.

rhhardin म्हणाले...

Gender reversal has no effect. It's still stupid.

Jupiter म्हणाले...

Amazing. I am about as sexist as it is possible to be, or at least I thought so. But Brenda King has got my vote. I'll bet Johnathon Gordon would not object if she grabbed him by the nuts, or whatever he's got down there.

john mosby म्हणाले...

Goetz, ha! The shoebomber! That’s a blast from the past (so to speak)!

JSM

Kai Akker म्हणाले...

---I think it's great that the audience appreciated a woman talking like Trump and didn't like the Hillary mannerisms in a man. [AA]

Not sure I get the logic in your comment. Forcefulness and seriousness are favored in a Presidential nominee? Plus, the woman was arguing the Trump policies. At least as far as I went with the video. So what is the surprise?

Smilin' Jack म्हणाले...

“Kamala Harris has a lot of feminine style that I'm afraid comes across as subordinate: the laughing, the smiling, the whole-body shaking, the nodding of the head as if desperate for approval, the ever-changing voice. It doesn't show leadership ability"

Are you kidding? Nobody would follow her across the street for a free beer.
That’s not the point—all she needs to show is that she’s not orange.

Jaq म्हणाले...

The ones who will walk all over her are the unelected cabal running the country into the ground right now.

Jaq म्हणाले...

She sold out her voters the day after the election. Italy can have her.

Jaq म्हणाले...

"Followed by a host of gentlemen callers."

Hassayamper म्हणाले...

Thread winner. She's Chauncey Gardiner in a skirt, tight down to the idiot-savant aphorisms about the passage of time.

Hassayamper म्हणाले...

Thread winner. She's Chauncey Gardiner in a skirt, right down to the idiot-savant aphorisms about the passage of time.

Jaq म्हणाले...

You can see Hillary angling for war with Russia already. Things would have gone better for the neocons, I think, if they had managed to start the war earlier, denying Russia the extra time to recover from the previous sanctions, and before China got so strong. Trump's election really screwed up their plans.

rehajm म्हणाले...

Popular policies would cut through all the gender BS. Unfortunately she has to play any of the woke cards she's been dealt...

rehajm म्हणाले...

..every, card...

Michael म्हणाले...

People respond to an authoritative, confident affect. For whatever evolutionary and cultural reasons, that comes easier to a man. There aren't many Margaret Thatchers. The woman playing Trump is being manly. Unfair, no doubt (though not to Harris, who is terribly light and not just in the loafers).

AlbertAnonymous म्हणाले...

“Analysts say”…

JK Brown म्हणाले...

Feminism has come a long way, baby. Here's Richard Nixon on the advantage to women of deference men naturally give to women in negotiations. Well, here we are 40+ years later and now the fear is women will be treated equally as a man but not be able to take is as a man could

https://youtu.be/MWZpAzz725U

phantommut म्हणाले...

In a better world Tulsi Gabbard would be leading the Democrats; instead she was driven out by whomever is profiting from current Democrat policies.

Iman म्हणाले...

I note how their favored “experts” have mutated to “analysts”.

Mr Wibble म्हणाले...

I'm digging Brenda King. She looks like she'd ride me all night and expect breakfast in the morning.

rhhardin म्हणाले...

Key word in the study: viewers.

Maynard म्हणाले...

When social psychology experiments are not well controlled, the results are often just what the experimenter wanted. IOW, the experimenter wanted to make a point.

Strong skepticism is required, as with most social psychology experiments. A lot of the highly publicized (to the non-scientific world) experiments are never replicated.

mindnumbrobot म्हणाले...

Spoiler Alert: men and women are different.

Skeptical Voter म्हणाले...

Coherent speech, logic and intelligence and character all matter. In a debate between Maggie Thatcher and Joe Biden, she'd whip the living bejeebers out of him. And she could probably get a TKO in a matchup with Billl Clinton. As for Obama, shed handle him like the lightweight he is. The House of Cards series of books was written by one of Thatcher's senior aides. He'd watched Thatcher "handbagging" her opponents. (Also known as beating the shinola out of a guy with her purse.)

I don't think that much, if any, of Trump's winning margin over Hillary in 2016 had to do with mmale/female or other gender issues.

Big Mike म्हणाले...

It doesn't show leadership ability, and we can see why Trump is getting mileage out of saying that world leaders will "walk all over her".

Yup.

rhhardin म्हणाले...

Two key words in fact: scholars, viewers.

Mikey NTH म्हणाले...

Agreed. Hikkary had no political skills. Lacked chatisma and was not quick with her remarks.

Enigma म्हणाले...

Hillary failed because she was play-acting against her essence. She couldn't shift from "I could have stayed home and baked cookies" condescension to the Cheerful Cheshire Cat without being a true charismatic actor (e.g., Reagan-like). But, Hillary was just a power-mad...stereotype...

MadTownGuy म्हणाले...

Mikey NTH said ...

"Agreed. Hikkary had no political skills. Lacked chatisma and was not quick with her remarks."

Not sure if it was purposeful on your part or a fortuitous typo, but "Old Hickary" has a ring to it.
9/10/24, 4:53 PM

Iman म्हणाले...

Oh noes!!!

https://x.com/TiffMoodNukes/status/1833254257602269625?s=19

n.n म्हणाले...

There is nothing about the feminine gender that makes the female sex subordinate to the male sex. In fact, the sexes are equal under the principles of modern religions and complementary in Nature notwithstanding some ancient ideologies that persist in contemporary sects.

effinayright म्हणाले...

"The Simpsons" had a scene where a couple of guys in a dark room are shown furtively dipping their footwear into a large barrel labled "Loafer Lightener".

heh

SGT Ted म्हणाले...

"He had thought that viewers would react more negatively to a female Trump and more positively to a male Clinton because of gender bias — for instance, an aversion to a confrontational woman."

This narrative is a bullshit smear of men as misogynist for opposing Democrat Party women.

"You can't handle a strong woman" has always been complete bullshit and a manipulation to change the subject.

Iman म्हणाले...

She’s their puppet.
She’s just a toy
Just a funny goy

Jamie म्हणाले...

Are never replicated because when people try to replicate them, they fail. It's not for lack of trying.

gilbar म्हणाले...

Surely, i'm Not the Only person; that's noticed that it's NOT people don't like the male Hilary!..
It's that people didn't like HILARY!
her opinions, her mannerisms, her posturing.. ALL are repulsive ; whether done by a male, or a female.

likewise; people Like Trumps views. They just don't like HIM

Mikey NTH म्हणाले...

Typo. The small phone screen with the new format is hard to see what I just typed.

MikeD म्हणाले...

Sorry not sorry but, Kamala is a walking talking dictionary description of the old condemnation "Airhead"! Under any rational standard she has no, none, zero redeeming qualities. Even our hostess as an "elite" (reads all the right publications, sees the right movies/plays et al) wouldn't last two (2) minutes in a conversation with the VP without a "WTF are you saying?"

FullMoon म्हणाले...
ही टिप्पणी लेखकाना हलविली आहे.
MikeD म्हणाले...

Speaking of the Kamel (one hump or two) This is an unearthed ABC profile of San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown in 1995.

Your jaw is about to hit the floor…
https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1833539331505770508

GingerBeer म्हणाले...

When aren't the experts surprised?

The Godfather म्हणाले...

I knew a lot of tough female lawyers in my years of practice who could have kicked Trump's ass in that debate, but Hillary wasn't in their league.
The guy who portrayed "Hillary" in the video came across as weak, but the woman who portrayed Trump came across as commanding. I think that's how the "real" Trump and the "real" Hillary were perceived by voters, and that's why Trump won and why we haven't seen Hillary in the arena since then.
In an honest election I find it hard to believe that most voters would pick Harris over Trump (notwithstanding his many serious flaws as a human being).

stlcdr म्हणाले...

This just in: people like strong leaders and not placating airheads.