My hypothesis is that Google is actively skewing searches to influence the election. But I get the same effect at DuckDuckGo. And Bing. I also tried Grok, and it foisted Harris and Trump on me repeatedly, even when I demanded that it stop.
I was googling a propos of the previous post, which is about Kamala Harris's laughing and got me wondering what kind of world leaders are associated with laughing. Are they heroes or villains? I could only think of one, a great American hero:
From Edmund Morris's "The Rise of Theodore Roosevelt" (commission earned):
With his clicking efficiency and inhuman energy, the President seems not unlike a piece of engineering himself.... He is in particularly good humor today, laughing heartily and often, in a high, hoarse voice that floats over the sound of the band. It is an irresistible laugh: an eruption of mirth, rising gradually to falsetto chuckles, that convulses everybody around him. “You don’t smile with Mr. Roosevelt,” writes one reporter, “you shout with laughter with him, and then you shout again while he tries to cork up more laugh, and sputters, ‘Come, gentlemen, let us be serious. This is most unbecoming.’ ”
He laughed and the world laughed with him.Besides being receptive to humor, the President produces plenty of it himself. As a raconteur, especially when telling stories of his days among the cowboys, he is inimitable, making his audiences laugh until they cry and ache. “You couldn’t pick a hallful,” declares the cartoonist Homer Davenport, “that could sit with faces straight through his story of the blue roan cow.”..
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From what I've read, DuckDuckGo is Bing with the spyware stripped out.
If you go to Google and type in “assassination attempt on Trum”, Every single suggested link will take you to something about Harry Truman.
Of course they’re manipulating results to favor Democrats. They’ve been doing that for at least 10 years.
How can any of this not be considered election interference?
How can any of this not be considered election interference?
This has been my point about the 2020 election since 2020.
That “great American hero” tarnished his reputation (and my respect for him) by running his quixotic presidential campaign that changed America for the worse, forever, by giving us Woodrow Wilson.
what happens if you ask to list pros and cons of Kamala and Trump??
Nixon Laughs
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https://2024election.procon.org/side-by-side-comparison-chart/
If I want to actually find something I use resulthunter.com
Search is not difficult.
Unless most of your algorithm is doing things other than giving you what you want.
Why the left melted down when Musk bought Twitter.
They need their Nazi-Soviet Leftwing Soros complete social media monopoly.
You're seeing glimpses of the future, Ann. Soon all knowledge will ONLY come from them. And you won't be able to detect the skewing. All other sources of knowledge will be destroyed.
And finally, all (lower) mankind will be enslaved.
We'll all be equal. At long last.
@pious agnostic said: "How can any of this not be considered election interference? "
That is not the question. The question is: "How can any of this be prosecuted as election interference?"
I'm not an expert, but I suspect that all of the search engines are driven by the same compiled code, with additional custom filters added by each purveyor, optionally. Control the compiling, control the result. Of course they are curating what you see. This has been objectively proven time & again by the IT world, and just as methodically down-rated from searches.
@Achilles, thanks for that - I'll try it out !
Try searching for "candidates who cackle."
pious agnostic said...
How can any of this not be considered election interference?
Election interference only refers to people who try to unseat globalist oligarch puppets.
Very much the same way Trump is the only person in history to be convicted of labeling payments to a lawyer as a legal expense.
Laws have one purpose now: keep the ruling elite in power.
pious agnostic said...
"How can any of this not be considered election manipulation?"
Fixed.
Aggie said...
@Achilles, thanks for that - I'll try it out !
To make it default you have to add it as an extension.
Pretty sure duck duck go was bought by google at some point. The results don't vary much.
For unbiased searching, I have found good results with "search.brave.com."
The internet news is seeded with a series of stories about world leaders laughing at Trump. They even show up at Freespoke, which is about as objective a search engine as there is.
This narrative is set for certain in global media groupthink: Trump is clownish.
Now ask me if I care. The effete, limp-wristed people who have lied over and over to boost Demmies and diminish Republicans have no credibility with me. The last month has been hilarious as they have spun like dervishes to keep up with the Demmie party line.
I asked a female acquaintance last night what she thought of the presidential race. She said that Kamala seems completely empty, and she can't imagine her as POTUS. She said that while she doesn't like Trump, she would feel safe with him in the office.
That is why you should not use Google for search or anything else when you can avoid it.
Duck Duck Go will consistently give you more honest results.
Though in this case DDG seems to do the same thing as google, returning results about world leaders laughing at President Trump.
If I were President Trump in January, by executive order, I would ban the use of Google as a search engine on all executive branch computers. Ditto Chrome browser. (There might be some individual case by case exceptions)
I would also consider having all govt offices run LibreOffice or another open source office suite rather than MS-Office. This would be mainly as a cost cutting move.
John Henry
Blogger cassandra lite said...
That “great American hero” tarnished his reputation (and my respect for him) by running his quixotic presidential campaign that changed America for the worse, forever, by giving us Woodrow Wilson.
He also, against the vehement objections of Congress and with no legislation established a political police. He called it the Bureau of Investigation and it morphed into the FBI. Still with no authorizing legislation 100 years later.
Fuck Theodore Roosevelt.
John Henry
Surely Reagan gets a mention for his chuckling.
--- But I get the same effect at DuckDuckGo. [AA]
Yes. I noticed this several years ago. They abruptly crossed over. My searches went from fruitful to a boring list of MSM sources all with the same left-wing viewpoints. Think I commented about it here once; it seemed a stunning change to me.
Not quite worthless, but getting there.
DuckDuckGo Search = (Bing (which = Microsoft)) + DuckDuckBot + Yahoo + Lots of Topic Area Specific Specialty Search Bots
Joe Bar,
Just tried searching with Brave for leaders who laugh
In the first page I got 1-2 leaders who laugh at Trump like Ann was complaining about. But all the rest seemed to be more general, of the type Ann seems to have been looking for.
John Henry
I wonder if any of those search returns featured the German leaders who laughed at Trump when he told them they'd become a captive of Russia by agreeing to a Russian pipeline instead of buying US oil.
Of course, Trump was right about this, too.
I still use Firefox as my go to browser, mostly out of habit.
But it does not work well with one of the types of systems I need to routinely program. Manufacturer recommends Chrome or Edge.
Before Edge was an option, I found a browser called Comodo Dragon. Available free at www.comodo.com It is built on the same open source platform as Chrome and is identical to Chrome except it does not phone home to Google. Even Chrome extensions work on it.
If you like Chrome but don't want Google spying on you, I highly recommend it. I use it most every day and am very happy with it.
I use Edge sometimes and it seems to work well. Neither Dragon nor Edge are any better than Firefox and I see no need switch permanently.
I have experimented with the Brave browser also. It too is based on the same open source code as Chrome. I've not used it much but it seems to work well.
I tried Opera some years back. Didn't like it. Don't remember why not, probably just because it was different. I don't remember it not working well.
John Henry
Duck Duck Go isn't a stand-alone search engine. The vast majority of its search results are sourced from ... wait for it ... Microsoft. Bing. They just pass your search on to Bing, then show you the results. This disaggregates your search request and hides it from Bing so that Bing cannot then track you and manipulate results based on who you are. Bing just sees a search request from Duck Duck Go.
You trust Microsoft, right? Surely they aren't manipulating Search results to help Democrats. Right? Er ... rather ... "fortifying" the results.
Darkisland recommended a browser.
I use Firefox, with Ad-Block Plus, Privacy Badger, uBlock Origin and NoScript add-ons. This eliminates the majority of advertising except YouTube. I just copy YouTube links into Brave and watch ad-free there.
Highly recommend it. The internet is unusable without these add-ons.
The Fourth Estate has Diversified to be equitable and inclusive of search engines to steer perception. That said, nothing will change, because nothing has changed.
This is why TwitterX is so important.
IF you want to see how Facebook manipulated the 2020 election for Joe Biden, I'd recommend The Atlantic article:
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/10/what-facebook-did/542502/
Gives you a glimpse behind the green curtain at the man running Oz.
And by the way, nobody who discusses politics in the United States should be uninformed about what's really happening and how the oligarchs are controlling everything you see, hear and learn.
If anyone wants to recommend another search engine, please first repeat my search and see if you get a better response.
I'm no help. I don't search for political stuff.
If you liked Google circa 2007, try Yandex.
It is Russian, and probably under Putin's thumb when it comes to anything dealing with Russia or Ukraine, but I can detect no bias in its handling of American politics.
Try "attempted assassination of trum" Ir doesn't even guess Trump until you spell out the final letter.
Blogger Ann Althouse said...
If anyone wants to recommend another search engine, please first repeat my search and see if you get a better response.
Ann, see my comment at 9:50
Just tried searching with Brave for leaders who laugh
In the first page I got 1-2 leaders who laugh at Trump like Ann was complaining about. But all the rest seemed to be more general, of the type Ann seems to have been looking for.
In a previous comment I had noted that in DDG I got similar results to yours in Google.
John HEnry
Just repeated the search with similar results
https://search.brave.com/search?q=leaders+who+laugh&source=web&summary=1&summary_og=176b05f03266fb5dcbd5e9
I suspect that this is more in line with what you were hoping for from Google, right?
I just changed my default desktop search engine to Brave, in Firefox
John Henry
It's the burden and privilege of anthropogenic intelligence (AI) to separate the wheat from the chaff, Diversity and diversity, sex and gender, the Planned fetus and unPlanned baby, etc.
"If I want to actually find something I use resulthunter.com".
Sorry, Achilles. From Resulthunter.com;
"World leaders think Trump is ‘laughing fool,’ John Bolton says
Trump bragged about his presidency and world leaders laughed
Do any world leaders laugh while President Trump speaks?
Video shows world leaders laughing and gossiping about Trump"
I thgouth maybe using Google was your mistake so I tried the Duck Duck Go search engine. Same result. The first 7 links were about world leaders laughing at Trump. Only until you get to the 8th is there a link about Kamala's laugh.
Blogger pious agnostic said...
How can any of this not be considered election interference?
7/28/24, 9:08 AM
Google is a corporation not a government entity. They can do as they please. Freedom of speech and all that.
@Althouse said: "If anyone wants to recommend another search engine, please first repeat my search and see if you get a better response. "
Google on Firefox pretty much replicated your response: Politicians and leaders 'laughing' at Trump in a mocking way, most of the results referencing European political bodies / politicians and a few WDC samples. Sites / publications pretty much all left-leaning.
DuckDuckGo on Firefox was a bit broader but very similar to Google, with one or two results down the page that were still about Trump being laughed at, followed by a deeper analysis
In both cases, the summary of related searches at the bottom ("Searches related to world leaders who laugh) listed search examples of world leaders laughing, mocking Trump.
Result Hunter on Firefox's list was the most dissimilar to Google's. It too had lots of examples similar to Google/DuckDuckGo, but also had cases of Trump laughing, and generic examples of world leaders laughing, so on. And I would say the sources represented the broadest examples of content, ranging further afield from strictly Legacy MSM types. So, given the starkly apolitical nature of the search criteria, I would say it's the least biased - but still, biased, because it's returning mostly-Trump-being-mocked type of stories.
Ann Althouse said...
If anyone wants to recommend another search engine, please first repeat my search and see if you get a better response.
I think the problem you are seeing is that Trump said the world didn't laugh at the USA when he was president and the media thought it would be a good idea to run with their story about the UN laughing during a Trump UN speech.
That is all that will come up if you get a typically indexed search for those words. Result hunter has a top ten list of leaders laughing that includes Obama mixed in but most results will be drowned out.
One problem with most search engines is nobody ever gets past the first 2 or three results because the search results are designed to get us to click on the ads.
I suspect that the other search engines often pirate results from Google before passing them on to their users.
Jupiter said...
"If I want to actually find something I use resulthunter.com".
Sorry, Achilles. From Resulthunter.com;
"World leaders think Trump is ‘laughing fool,’ John Bolton says
Trump bragged about his presidency and world leaders laughed
Do any world leaders laugh while President Trump speaks?
Video shows world leaders laughing and gossiping about Trump"
The results of a search will be an indexed list of web pages based on some sort of similarity algorithm check comparing your search words to a list of titles, text and meta data from web pages.
In the beginning when search engines came out people were used to going through a page or two of results.
What you see with resulthunter is there are some different types of answers mixed in there. It doesn't read minds.
The problem with DuckDuckGo/Google is that they set negative weights on certain words and sentiments on all searches. So the variation that you see between resulthunterand those others is resulthunter is not going to exclude results arbitrarily so you will get more balance.
loudogblog said...
I suspect that the other search engines often pirate results from Google before passing them on to their users.
These are called aggregators. If you type a search phrase into them then they will send a search request to several other search engines then sort those results based on their own internal algorithm.
Darkisland said...
Just repeated the search with similar results
https://search.brave.com/search?q=leaders+who+laugh&source=web&summary=1&summary_og=176b05f03266fb5dcbd5e9
I suspect that this is more in line with what you were hoping for from Google, right?
I just changed my default desktop search engine to Brave, in Firefox
John Henry
Brave also has a decent browser.
there were no attacks by the Taliban, there was a mild brushfire in ukraine, and the middle east was moving toward peace, now we have none of the above,
It isn't laughter, it is laughter at the wrong moment, laughter excessive for that moment. And when you get super-villains* it is the maniacal laughter.
*Presentation separates the villain from the super-villain.
DuckDuckGo used to be more impartial. Now it's the same as Goggle, but clunkier to use.
I tried the same search with the same result just now. I also tried a google search on “ assassination attempt on tr” and just as reported on Instapundit, you get a list of articles on Teddy Roosevelt, not Trump.
I tried the same search with the same result just now. I also tried a google search on “ assassination attempt on tr” and just as reported on Instapundit, you get a list of articles on Teddy Roosevelt, not Trump.
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