December 12, 2023

"[S]eeking gender balance is particularly important because neither male nor female prospective applicants prefer a campus with a large majority of women..."

"... and, thus, it harms the school’s ability to recruit desirable students.... In equal-protection analyses under the Fourteenth Amendment, the Court has indeed allowed more leeway for using gender, but, in order to be constitutional, the use of gender must be substantially related to an important interest. The question, then, would be whether colleges’ interest in having a gender-balanced student body is so important that it justifies holding women to higher admissions standards than men...."

Juxtaposing women’s persistent underrepresentation in public life with the practice of affirmative action for men in college admissions puts into relief the sometimes perverse vicissitudes of laws prohibiting discrimination....
The logic of [the Supreme Court's recent affirmative action case] has the potential to provide a path for legal challenges to admissions practices that advantage men because of their gender. The political rub, though, is that liberal civil-rights advocates, such as the A.C.L.U. or the National Women’s Law Center, seem unlikely to embrace an argument that, even if helpful to women’s interests in this instance, would expand the reach of the case that killed race-conscious affirmative action and render affirmative action for women unlawful....

46 comments:

tim maguire said...

Micromanaging always seems to create new problems that then themselves have to be micromanaged in an infinite regression of petty rules and injustices.

How about treating everyone equally and let the chips fall where they may? If having an imbalance will cause some people to go elsewhere, the imbalance will correct itself without a lot of discriminatory meddling.

The actual problem happens much sooner--in elementary school, where the classroom experience is so feminized that boys suffer, perform worse, and are less likely to pursue academics as a result, leading to this imbalance in college that they lament.

Aggie said...

You saw it here first, with blacks! You've seen it here, next, with Asians! You see it every day, with white men! Let's talk about the women now!

Coming up next: The Jews.

Equal Opportunity: Is there nothing that our Progressive Intellectual Protectors cannot fix for you, in their quest for the perfect society?

Kate said...

So transwomen should wait until they're admitted to the school as a man before transitioning to womanhood.

Sebastian said...

Slightly OT: how do HBCUs manage legally to stay black?

Big Mike said...

Are the college admissions committees discriminating against women, or are they partially balancing discrimination against men for 13 years of education in their K through 12th grades?

Jamie said...

Hahahahahahaha...

[wipes eyes]

Whew, thanks for this!

In other news... did anyone catch the story about the 12-year UBI study? The essence of it was that when people (this was in Kenya, btw) were given either no money, a monthly UBI for 2 years, a monthly UBI for 12 years, or a lump sum equal to the 2-year UBI total, the ones who did best were the ones who found ways to use the money as capital rather than for regular old expense-paying. No surprise there. But the interesting thing was that the monthly UBI recipients who did best were the ones who pooled their money in rotating savings clubs, and used their periodic payout to start entirely new businesses and such. The researchers thought they'd just, you know, buy a little more grain for their farms.

In other words - this is the relevant part - people's being able to make individual choices about their lives results in the most prosperity for the most people. And generally, top-down social engineering doesn't garner the expected results.

Tank said...

Twenty five years should do it!

TRISTRAM said...

Change the tracing, not the admissions.
Men don't want to go to school because they are unwelcome.

Oligonicella said...

New Yorker:
"For decades, college-admissions offices have quietly imposed higher standards on female applicants"

Horse shit.

The Vault Dweller said...

Kate said...
So transwomen should wait until they're admitted to the school as a man before transitioning to womanhood.


This got a laugh out of me.

Jamie said...

Also - is this a tacit admission that women do better when they have a good marriage pool?

Mike of Snoqualmie said...

Men avoid the Harvards because these cesspools of feminization use kangaroo courts to persecute men for consensual sex when the women later regrets the intimate encounter. These KCs always presume the man is guilty and the "trial" is just sham event to give legitimacy to the proceedings. Men accused should do anything and everything to disrupt the proceedings and throw the kangaroo court into chaos. By Any Means Necessary, as the left is so fond of saying.

West TX Intermediate Crude said...

They don't have to impose higher standards on female applicants.
All they have to do is lower the standards for men.

gilbar said...

Sebastian said...
Slightly OT: how do HBCUs manage legally to stay black?

easy, the student body makes it Clear, that whites would feel unwelcome there

The Vault Dweller said...

The political rub, though, is that liberal civil-rights advocates, such as the A.C.L.U. or the National Women’s Law Center, seem unlikely to embrace an argument that, even if helpful to women’s interests in this instance, would expand the reach of the case that killed race-conscious affirmative action and render affirmative action for women unlawful....

Even with the American sense of the word liberal, it seems fairly hypocritical to hold positions like this.

hombre said...

Higher standard for womem? Colleges are discriminating against women?

Bwahahaha!

Rocco said...

"[S]eeking gender balance is particularly important because neither male nor female prospective applicants prefer a campus with a large majority of women..."

Why do the non-binary people prefer a campus with a large majority of women?

Yancey Ward said...

"Slightly OT: how do HBCUs manage legally to stay black?"

Because almost no white people apply to go there.

Yancey Ward said...

I am willing for the purposes of argument to accept the big assertion in that excerpt, that colleges have been putting a thumb on the scale in order to admit a lot of unqualified men- but which men, precisely?

rehajm said...

Also - is this a tacit admission that women do better when they have a good marriage pool?

I was thinking how fucked up it is the reason they're considering this is because women don't like that there's no men...

rehajm said...

...and yes, it is the same kind of thoughtless bullshit we heard about women in academics thirty years ago- they are inferior to men in academia because they devote so much thought to child bearing or they lose their minds a few days every month.

We devoted so much time catering to girls in grade school while we've been drugging the boys and made learning a hostile environment for them...

Mike of Snoqualmie said...

SEX DISCRIMINATION

$15M Jury Award to Doctor Who Claimed Anti-Male Bias in University Finding He Had Committed Sexual Assault

BarrySanders20 said...

Reminds me that the Wisconsin Supreme Court needs some men. Six women for seven spots and it's a clique-dominated eighth grade girl shit show. Get a few dudes with balls to mellow things out a bit.

n.n said...

Sex, gender, and diversitism in education.

Michael K said...

OMG ! heterosexual sentiment at colleges ! What can we do to stop this ?

Freeman Hunt said...

The opposite is true in STEM admissions.

n.n said...

Gender (e.g. sexual orientation): masculine and feminine) is a binary judgment and label established in progressive churches, synagogues, Democrat laws, etc.

BarrySanders20 said...

Yes, the elite universities are discriminating against admitting white girls. White girls with high test scores and 4.0's and who are good musicians, actors, athletes, and community do-gooders are a dime a dozen. Just a step below the Asians as the ones getting shunted to the bottom of the pile after enough of that racial/gender demographic get admitted.

Original Mike said...

tim maguire said..."Micromanaging always seems to create new problems that then themselves have to be micromanaged in an infinite regression of petty rules and injustices.

How about treating everyone equally and let the chips fall where they may? If having an imbalance will cause some people to go elsewhere, the imbalance will correct itself without a lot of discriminatory meddling."


+1000. The people doing this social engineering think they are so damn smart. They are not. Even if their incessant discrimination were not morally reprehensible, it is making a god awful mess.

Joe Smith said...

My wife went to a university that had only recently admitted women.

She could have gone to any 'prestigious' women's college.

But she wanted to be in classes with men because that would be the real world in the board rooms and meeting rooms in business.

Might as well take on the challenge before heading off into the working world...

n.n said...

Where does the transgender spectrum fit in their binary vision?

Joe Smith said...

White men have been getting fucked in education and business for the past 30 or 40 years, and not in the good way.

Mike of Snoqualmie said...

Hillary Clinton just phoning it in for her Columbia class. I guess Columbia couldn't arrange a bull-futures trading opportunity for her. Not enough graft involved in teaching her class.

The Vault Dweller said...

Given the reluctance of of many women to consider romantic relationships with men who do not at least have the same level of education as them, I suppose one can argue there is a societal interest in striving for sex parity in education, though the status of higher education seems to be in flux at the moment, so perhaps that interest is waning. In the article the author stated that men applying to schools had been given preferential treatment, indicating that women tended to have better grades, greater number of extracurriculars, and have taken more advanced classes. Conspicuously absent were any mention of standardized test scores. The internet tells me men have a slightly higher average composite SAT score than women, with men scoring higher in math, and women scoring higher in verbal. It would be interesting to see the numerical weight admissions offices give to each characteristic and see if it is consistent between both men and women as well as consistent internally within the two individual groups men and women. As someone with no real first hand experience I'm guessing extracurricular activities like sailing and crew, have a seemingly inordinately high weight.

Bruce Hayden said...

Given the reluctance of of many women to consider romantic relationships with men who do not at least have the same level of education as them, I suppose one can argue there is a societal interest in striving for sex parity in education, though the status of higher education seems to be in flux at the moment, so perhaps that interest is waning. In the article the author stated that men applying to schools had been given preferential treatment, indicating that women tended to have better grades, greater number of extracurriculars, and have taken more advanced classes. Conspicuously absent were any mention of standardized test scores. The internet tells me men have a slightly higher average composite SAT score than women, with men scoring higher in math, and women scoring higher in verbal. It would be interesting to see the numerical weight admissions offices give to each characteristic and see if it is consistent between both men and women as well as consistent internally within the two individual groups men and women. As someone with no real first hand experience I'm guessing extracurricular activities like sailing and crew, have a seemingly inordinately high weight.

When I went to a small liberal arts college 50+ years ago, the sex ratio was comfortably 60/40 M/F, with the women almost all having 4.0 HS GPAs, and the men about 3.5, but with maybe slightly higher SATs. It worked well. Those of us in fraternities had plenty of dating material, while the incels (even back then) didn’t seem that interested. And for the women, the competition for men wasn’t intense enough that they could move towards having sex at their own speed.

Now, the sex ratios in many of the more elite schools are the other way, even approaching the reversed 40/60 of what we had back then. And it doesn’t appear to be working. Females seem driven to form relationships and partnerships with males, esp at that age, more than males do. More male incels than ever. I suspect that it has to do with different brain maturation rates, as well as their reproduction clocks the result appears to be that even with a 50/50 sex ratio, there will be more females looking for meaningful relationships, than males. That puts pressure on them to “put out”, because if they don’t, the girl next door willingly will. It’s essentially a race to the bottom. They all start drinking Fri afternoon, partying in the evening, and texting around for sex partners after midnight. Some of the women then have regrets the next day, for their shutting around the night before, and if the guy doesn’t call back quickly enough, claims sexual assault, where they get the sympathy they crave. Of course, with the Mickey Mouse tribunals, the guys often lose, even if their only crime was sleeping with another relationship desperate co-ed the next night. This drives off quality men, and, not surprisingly, apparently hits black men the hardest.

Biff said...

Freeman Hunt said...
"The opposite is true in STEM admissions."

That may not be as true as it used to be. I can't share more for reasons of confidentiality, but I'm familiar with a well known school that for at least a few years put a small negative weighting factor on female applicants who indicated a plan to major in STEM fields.

With all the hype around women being underrepresented in science, it seems there was a significant increase in the number of women who stated that they planned to major in a STEM field, but once on campus, they'd end up majoring in something else. In some cases, I'm sure it was an honest change of heart, but it's also clear that many guidance counselors were advising girls to express an interest in STEM regardless of actual desire on the assumption that it would help the girls' chances in the admissions game.

The school justified the weighting factor in terms of overall yield of STEM majors, rather than gender balance, per se. In other words, if the school wanted to graduate a certain number of STEM majors in four years without skewing the number of graduates in other fields, it had to favor male STEM applicants somewhat. Even with the weighting factor, the school still accepts around 2-3% more females than males as prospective STEM majors. Environmental science has become very heavily female (appx 2:1), but no one seems to wring their hands when the gender imbalance goes in that direction.

Hassayamper said...

Yes, the elite universities are discriminating against admitting white girls. White girls with high test scores and 4.0's and who are good musicians, actors, athletes, and community do-gooders are a dime a dozen.

Of the white people admitted to the Ivy League nowadays, about half are Jews, whose representation exceeds their percentage of the population by at least tenfold.

Most of the other half are either legacies, intercollegiate athletes, faculty children, children of celebrities, or the children of very wealthy people (foreign or domestic) who make donations to the endowment that dwarf even the astronomical tuition these institutions now charge.

If you are a white Christian from a modest family background, whether male or female, and you lack 99th-percentile athletic talent, your chances of admission to the Ivies are in the very low single digits, no matter how brilliant you may be.

Jupiter said...

From the article; "Some universities that were founded in the late nineteenth century, including Stanford, accepted both men and women, but soon found that women were performing too well, provoking anxiety that women would overrun or feminize the institutions."

I don't seem to recall that problem in my math, chemistry and physics classes. Well, OK, my friend Jeff's sister aced every single weekly quiz in chemistry for the entire year, which did boggle our minds.

Douglas B. Levene said...

At the law school in China where I taught before retiring, which was a very elite school, we had to use affirmative action for men to keep the numbers close. We still ended up with 60% women and most of the strongest students were women. I think the imbalance was due in large part because law is not as prestigious in China as engineering or science , and so the strongest male students didn’t go into law. Also, at my school, English fluency was required (over half the classes were taught in English) and women tend to be stronger in foreign languages than men.

Rabel said...

"While female students outperform male students in English and social sciences, male students have higher achievement levels in math and science. The overall or composite scores of male and female students are quite similar."

- act.org

loudogblog said...

This article doesn't pass the smell test.

Women are currently overrepresented in America's colleges and universities. And given the current political climate, I doubt that anyone in academia would be skewing tests against women.

mikee said...

Gender balance! Great! Now can we get the students to spend more time studying their course subjects instead of each other's crotches?

Yancey Ward said...

Funny how you never hear about how women are under-represented in sewer system maintenance.

Jupiter said...

"(over half the classes were taught in English)"
What kind of Chinese law class is taught in English? Or I guess I mean, what kind of law is taught in English in Chinese? By people named Levene?

Assistant Village Idiot said...

"Higher standards" generally means GPA, not SAT's, which is more than a little suspect in century-old* educational design that favors some traits that women are genetically better-equipped to handle. See the Larry Summers post above. Girls experience negative and sexist comments at school, even from the adults - yes, absolutely. Punish that, sure. But is this worse than the negative comments boys face for their more masculine, and hence disruptive behaviors, even when they are quite fun, and fully adaptive in adult situations? That assumes things not in evidence.

Schools are designed by women for the type of girls that they were. It also screws over the type of girls who weren't like them. It's Mean Girls all the way down there.

It's not just my own ridiculous schools in the 60s and 70s. I raised five sons. My two docile and obedient granddaughters are thriving. My three frontier granddaughters keep encountering pushback from their female teachers, which is mostly what they will have until late high school. In the end, it isn't so much the bias but the self-righteousness about it that rankles. (Don't tell my valedictorian wife I said this. Come to think of it, not any of my old girlfriends either.)

Assistant Village Idiot said...

@ Kate - yes, my brother taught at Smith. Only women can be admitted there, but you can graduate under whatever gender you want.