Writes Michelle Goldberg, in "Why on Earth Are Jewish Leaders Praising Elon Musk?" (NYT).
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"Musk appears to have learned the lesson that ardent Zionism can function as an alibi for antisemitism."
"As advertisers fled X last week, he suddenly announced that he was going to ban the pro-Palestinian slogan 'From the river to the sea,' as well as 'decolonization,' a buzzword on the anti-Zionist left. The move made a mockery of the ostensible free speech absolutism that was Musk’s excuse for allowing so much antisemitism on X in the first place. It did nothing to curb overt white nationalists on the site, many of whom had celebrated Musk’s 'actual truth' post. But it was enough to earn him plaudits from some Jewish and Israeli spokespeople...."
Writes Michelle Goldberg, in "Why on Earth Are Jewish Leaders Praising Elon Musk?" (NYT).
Writes Michelle Goldberg, in "Why on Earth Are Jewish Leaders Praising Elon Musk?" (NYT).
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Theme for November 21: Althouse deflates NYT's image as the newspaper of record by revealing systematic biases and its current role in publishing state media propaganda.
Blah. Blah. Blah. I'm switching my subscription from the NYT to mail-order navel and dryer lint. Lint has more value than the NYT.
I'm more interested in the lesson of how ardent Judaism can serve as an alibi for hideous behavior. Take George Soros for instance. Officially, George Soros converted to Christianity as a child and has been an atheist every since. Unofficially, the moment you criticize him, he and other like him wrap themselves in phylacteries made from the pages of the Torah.
It's not unlike the way the ADL or SPLC operate. Today the clown-nose is on for Elon Musk. Tomorrow it will be back off again.
I spend a fair bit of time on X, and from what I have seen, "white nationalists" are somewhere between invisible and barely detectable. Virulent anti-Jewish, murderous savages on the left however, these are very much in evidence. So yes, X is a fount of antisemitism, but almost exclusively from the far left. I say, let them all speak. It's much better to know who you are actually dealing with.
"From the river to the sea" = genocide speech.
If not for Musk, Twitter would be censoring and distorting discussion of the war in Gaza in just the same way as the Times and the Post. He stepped on his dick with that one remark, but he's still the greatest ally the Jews have in the major media.
Jews are between prophets (alienation as mindset) and (Greek) philosophers (member of the polis).
Alienation is an enormously creative intellectual tool in the elite, hence the huge amounts of Jewish scholarship. In the hands of the mob though it's finding antisemitism everywhere, and the mob rules today.
Feeding the mob is the smart-white-oppressor and the brown-dumb-oppressed meme, today translated to the Middle East, a white oppressor meme that the left always seizes.
So there's antisemitism that's actually just the same old anti-white meme that the left always embraces, which is now taken up in volume by the antisemitism-finding mob.
So it's pretty loud now. No decision about it is principled until the two effects are separated, which isn't likely to happen soon.
The move made a mockery of the ostensible free speech absolutism that was Musk’s excuse for allowing so much antisemitism on X in the first place.
Such bullshit. Musk rightfully pushes back against the left wing, corrupt Anti-Defamation League. They're like the Jewish version of the bullshit Southern Poverty Law Center. They are a left-wing racial extortion operation. They label anyone an anti-Semite, and then want cash.
Musk recognizes that "From the river to the sea" is an open call for genocide. Nobody should want or support that.
It's what "Manifest Destiny" meant to Native Americans.
Diversity is a judgement and label celebrated in liberal cultures under color nationalism with a progressive constitution approved under United Nation general assembly.
I bet she doesnt call out one democrat.
As if this is the first time?
This stuff has been popping up for years. So his attempt to take it out on Media Matters is only likely to make him look crazier. You can’t host actual NeoNazis, and agree with their Antisemitic rants, without being antiSemitic. I mean if you believe in Antisemitic conspiracy theories, it is usually a sign that you are Antisemitic. This is really not complicated.
People think that he is smart, and well educated as if that keeps someone from being a Nazi. However, racism, hatred, scapegoating people, etc. is about the emotional condition. There is no amount of math or science that one can learn that will also make them emotionally mature, self aware, or to have a genuine sense of responsibility about the effects their actions have on others.
Musk's "anti-Semitic" sin was agreeing that American Jewish liberals/leftists are... liberals and leftists.
They have funded a shitload of bullshit left wing causes in America and the World that have us in the current, fucked up state of affairs. The ADL is an left wing extortion operation.
But that is because they are hypocritical liberals, not because they are Jewish. Same with college educated white women.
There are fine people on both sides.
Israel exists. And it deserves to exist. They also have a historical claim to the land. Hamas is ISIS. Hamas needs to be destroyed in order for Palestinians to thrive. Outcome uncertain.
But let's not pretend Jewish Democrats who supported Obama did anything good for the promised land. Or that college educated white women did any good for equality or the children of America.
Anybody think Obama was, or is a friend of Israel??
Blogger Old and slow said..."I spend a fair bit of time on X, and from what I have seen, "white nationalists" are somewhere between invisible and barely detectable."
That's why Media Matters has to manufacture them.
"Why on Earth Are Jewish Leaders Praising Elon Musk?"
Because, being smart Jews and all, they can read. Having read, they realize Elon ain't no antisemite, and appears to oppose, as sentient Jews should have all along, the lefty rhetoric that justifies their oppression in the West and their extermination in Israel.
Plus, being faced with an avalanche of antisemitism around the world, now knowing that their supposed prog allies are in fact their enemies, Jews can't be too picky about picking allies anyway.
Musk has certainly come to the attention of the DNC office of the NY Times. They are out to get him and it is obvious to anyone with eyes. It's amusing to see how he flipped from apostle of EVs to Trump-like evil one in an instant. Meanwhile millions of Democrats are marching and chanting "From the river to the sea."
Michelle Goldberg doesn't understand reality. At all.
In other news, water is still wet and Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead.
Musk uses his engineering philosophy for his political engagement. Crash and burn, recalibrate and fix the problems revealed.
It isn't about Musk, it is about political power. The issue is never the issue, it is a means to an end.
no she is evil, she knows the orders she has been given,
From Google: "[Michelle] Goldberg received a Bachelor of Arts degree at the State University of New York at Buffalo. She also holds a Master of Science degree in journalism from the University of California Berkeley Graduate School of Journalism.
Michelle Goldberg is a liberal, college educated white woman, who happens to be Jewish. She's a Berkeley nutcase. The only thing that might be more worthless than a Masters in "Journalism" from Berkeley is a Masters in Journalism from the University of Wisconsin.
Just because I support Israel and don't want to see another Holocaust on ANY people, doesn't mean I have to agree with Goldberg's bullshit politics. Just because George Soros is Jewish, doesn't mean I have to agree with him destroying America's cities with his corrupt DAs.
Do you notice liberals and MSNBC will labels anyone who criticizes George Soros and anti-Semite. That's laughable. That asshole held coats while Nazis killed his neighbors.
If Elon Musk, Donald Trump, and Feds disguised as Nazis are the focus of your anti-Semitism accusations, and you ignore the blatant anti-Semitism on college campuses, and now the streets of NYC and London...you are completely full of shit.
Guys, it apparently falls to me to let you in on a little secret: You’re free to say whatever the hell you want on X-Twitter, and you’re free to buy X-Twitter for billions of dollars and run the company however the hell you want to run it, but you’re not free to buy X-Twitter for billions of dollars, say whatever the hell you want, and expect those who pay your bills to mindlessly follow. If you doubt me please talk to the sadder but (hopefully) wiser people at Target and Anheuser-Busch.
Maybe because he is the ONLY social media site criticising both sides, which is needed.
I love Musk, I am pro-Israel, I hate leftist sloganeers, and I hate antisemites - but Michelle Goldberg is right to call this to question (even if her motive is suspect). The slogan 'From the river to the sea,' which could easily be interpreted simply as Palestinians' misbegotten notion of the land as theirs alone and calling for Palestinian control of it, has been ginned up to mean most assuredly nothing but genocide of Jews. I mean, Jews and Arabs have lived together on that land for ages, and do now, all without genocide. So that slogan is a matter of interpretation - that is, a matter of discussion and debate - that is, speech.
The newly vogue 'decolonization' slogan is uninformed and is very annoying but it is just a slogan.
I adamantly disagree with both of those slogans. But Musk should recognize these things as the polemical speech that they are. His banning them on Twitter is hypocritical and not a good look for him, the great free speech crusader.
Michelle Goldberg is one twisted sister.
At this point, I suspect somebody in control of Musk's Twitter account is just playing with the public.
IDK what to think until Mark weighs in.
Why not see it as an action made by a platform owner who reinstated the accounts of NeoNazis?
I mean his statement looked very similar to things said by the original Nazis. His buddy Trump is busy quoting the original Nazis, and had a long history of Antisemitism.
But I should ignore all of that because instead I should assume that this billionaire lacks the same level of circumspection that is common among adolescents? Nope, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck, it is fair to call it a a duck.
Do you think miss Shelly actually wants to hear the answer to that question?
Big Mike is in favor of a private media company promoting euphemisms for Final Solution to the Jewish Question because freedom. I can empathetic that. I prefer that enemies of the free world expose themselves with uninhibited abandon.
Makes targeting easier.
However, empathy for advertising revenues lost and maintained viable X Trumps raw speech, IMO.
LOL
LLR-democratical Rich/C**** really is going to continue to plow forward with the moronic Musk-Is-A-Nazi schtick! As predicted.
Too funny.
could easily be interpreted simply as Palestinians' misbegotten notion
Only if you are a progressive apologist for genocidal maniacs who state very clearly what it means to them. There is no ambiguity in that statement. None. And we have a corollary. They could live freely "between the river and the sea" if they chose to live the peaceful life like a million Arabs who already live in Israel do -- every day.
Take George Soros for instance.
Ypu mean the George soros for whom the happiest time of his life was when he was helping National Socialists round up jews in his home town?
According to his own words on 60 minutes.
"I had no sense of guilt"
https://youtu.be/7te1S5LUFJI?si=rnxP6NqWbCVkkxfM
John Henry
Why on Earth Are Jewish Leaders Praising Elon Musk when they could be praising snipers killing journalist's families?
Dragon’s comments while day drinking is endlessly entertaining…
"I prefer that enemies of the free world expose themselves with uninhibited abandon."
You voted for the enemies of the free world. No one here takes anything you say seriously. You are an unserious person.
I like the contrast between Zionists (ok, possibly good, definitely respectable) and white nationalists (awful, execrable, self-evidently wrong).
Michelle Goldberg isn't a fan of "ardent Zionism" but it's notable that Zionism per se is a position/belief that Nice People tolerate and might support. Jewish ethno-nationalism, you see, is fine. Just about every type of ethno-nationalism is somewhere between wonderful and allowable on Nice People's spectrum of political acceptability with the important exception of white nationalism...which is obviously the worst possible set of beliefs.
Seriously, try to think of any other group the Left and Nice People don't celebrate for ethnic solidarity. Black pride, Puerto Rican pride, Hispanic unity (whatever that could even mean), Hmong community action, etc etc; all supported and praised. The very idea of any number of white people viewing themselves as a group/thinking in terms of ethnic solidarity or collective interest is horrifying to those same people, though.
It's been fun to watch progressive Jews react with shock as the rest of the Left treats them with just a fraction of the contempt they treat "white people," but you can be sure those same progressive Jews won't learn the lesson (they'll work to ensure Jews aren't considered white for purposes of the oppressor index, not that the index itself is a bad idea).
The key questions are how many Media Matters-like lies per day at Althouse blog has LLR-democratical Rich/C**** committed himself to deliver...and to whom?
And particularly against Musk as the desperation on the left grows since X is not under democratical control.
Naturally, it was understood that the lefties would be accelerating these faux "organic" "grassroots" online activities in the run up to 2024...et voila! Rich/C****!
WTF is a white nationalist and who cares about what they, if there is a "they", say?
I don't do X, because it's full of crackpots who aren't worth my time (Not that I'm busy, just old.). Among the many blogs, comments and newsites of all persuasions that I have read for many years I have never read a white nationalist screed.
Obviously, I will have read many hateful, divisive things a good number of which come from leftmedia journalists including Goldberg who is a relentless purveyor of predictable good guy (lefty) vs. bad guy (not lefty) tripe.
Crack: "Why on Earth Are Jewish Leaders Praising Elon Musk when they could be praising snipers killing journalist's families?"
Or drinking the blood of Christian children, eh, Crack.
rhhardin: "...which is now taken up in volume by the antisemitism-finding mob."
Perhaps, but there does seem to be a hint of antisemitism in Islamist doctrine and "from the river to the sea," which, combined with Islamist/Hamas doctrine and rhetoric, contemplates slaughtering Israeli Jews.
But maybe they don't mean what they say.
Howard: "I prefer that enemies of the free world expose themselves with uninhibited abandon."
Rusty: "You voted for the enemies of the free world. No one here takes anything you say seriously. You are an unserious person."
Take it easy on Howard. This is a difficult time for him as basically everything he claimed to oppose has sprouted up with 10 heads on his side of the political aisle, as we tried to warn him, and he has no idea how to navigate this treacherous rhetorical path.
Look at Rusty, getting all serious an shit. It pairs well with his Hysteria.
White nationalist or Albizi.
Black nationalist or Blazi.
Brown nationalist or Brazi.
Democratic nationalist or Dezi.
Yellow nationalist or Yezi.
Feminine nationalist or Fezi.
Progressive nationalist or Prozi.
Transitional nationalist or Trazi.
National socialists or Nazi.
So blacks get their taboo word but whites and Jews can just fuck off.
Interesting.
From the river to the sea, Palestine shall be free—if by “free” you mean yet another medieval Islamist shithole. If that ever happens all those “innocent civilians” will be desperately trying to escape it and become “refugees” in the West.
Michelle Goldberg writes:
"Musk appears to have learned,..."
Hey Skipper said...
"Why do you remind me,...?"
It's weird to be around so many people - supposedly adults - making assertions without knowing the workings of their own minds. Why does something appear that way? Goldberg's brain did it to her. Why do I remind Hey Skipper of someone? He's got too many "toys in the attic," if you know what I mean.
But they actually think what's in their screwy heads is reality.
hombre said...
Crack: "Why on Earth Are Jewish Leaders Praising Elon Musk when they could be praising snipers killing journalist's families?"
Or drinking the blood of Christian children, eh, Crack.
Did they do that, too?
Joe Smith said...
"So blacks get their taboo word but whites and Jews can just fuck off.
Interesting."
Not really. Study history. People who hurt others usually receive SOME kind of push-back. Not to expect it is to be kinda oblivious. We're currently watching Zionists have an ultra-murderous temper tantrum, killing innocent people by the thousands. That's not gonna win them many friends. And yes, some will say "fuck off."
That's the least I'd expect, considering.
Joe Smith,
What's "Interesting" is people doing wrong and expecting to get a pass on it.
"As advertisers fled X last week, he suddenly announced that he was going to ban the pro-Palestinian slogan 'From the river to the sea,' as well as 'decolonization,' a buzzword on the anti-Zionist left.
Both of which are used by the anti-Zionist left as calls for teh complete genocide of Jews in Israel.
#FIFY Michelle
The move made a mockery of the ostensible free speech absolutism
What a pathetic lying dirtbag she is.
"You won't drive people off all social media for saying a 'trans woman is just a deluded man'!!11! That must be 'free speech absolutism'"
What a sick monster MG is, to find it hard to understand how anyone could support any free speech for people she doesn't like.
"that was Musk’s excuse for allowing so much antisemitism on X in the first place"
Honey, if he's going to get all "antisemitism" off of Twitter, then pretty much everyone you like would be premanentaly banned
Crack Emcee: "Not really. Study history."
LOL
From the guy who claimed lying, murder and slavery did not exist until whites invented them!
A perfect Crackism.
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