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That dog is worth the post.
Good boy.
If it's a scandal, is the media gonna call it "OceanGategate"?
The sub imploded 45 minutes into the dive, and everybody but me knew it?
I have suspected that they knew the craft had undergone a crush event all along- an event like that makes a big sound that is easily detectable by modern sonar. The first thing you do in a situation like that is look at the sonar data of any nearby ships.
Now, perhaps the data was kept under wraps to spare the family immediate grief in the hopes that a miracle would occur in the intervening days.
In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way.
--- Franklin D. Roosevelt
The event itself wasn't a distraction, but I can see why people think the several-day search was a distraction. The news reporting that the Navy heard the implosion on Sunday makes it looks sus.
Obviously it wasn't "all" a distraction. Five dead. And labeling it as such provides an easy rebuttal for the distractors and their ilk.
But yes, it looks like the government knew and withheld the information until the wreckage was found.
And it would not at all surprise me to learn that it was for political reasons.
Also, we've known that the US has acoustic monitors covering the North Atlantic for decades. That they withheld the information to protect vital, secret information is not a valid excuse.
Because IT was??
"Hey, the media got a compelling cliffhanger of a story to draw readers and eyeballs, the Coast Guard the useful information, and the Biden regime got a lot of silence on stories it didn’t want publicized, at least until the real powers-that-be decided to let the public know and signal the Bidens to prepare for the end of their grifting."
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2023/06/us_navy_knew_of_titans_implosion_on_sunday_but_allowed_walltowall_media_coverage_to_overshadow_bad_news_for_biden_and_the_democrats_all_week.html
Spitfire
@DogRightGirl
Think about it. They ran with stories counting down the hours left for oxygen when they knew the implosion happened last Sunday.
Imagine the families right now.
Well that's stupid. I think, like all these other jokers, that the people conducting the search were afraid that the push back from the right-wing media would be so significant that they chose to continue the "search" eventhough they all knew that these people were toast on Sunday. And now they are attacking the Coast Guard for not doing enough. what a joke.
Vicki from Pasadena
That dog has more focus than most humans I know. Distraction does not exist for the dog, just focus.
As for Hunter and the dead rich, at this point the administration or Dementia Joe his own self could shoot a guy to death in the middle of 5th Avenue, and the press still would support his re-election completely. Distraction, again, fails to exist when the focus is there.
But given a choice, I'd vote for Dog over Dementia Joe.
"“If you question the State, you are an enemy of the State.”
These people aren’t hiding their totalitarian objectives."
Garland: "Some have chosen to attack the integrity of the Justice Department... This constitutes an attack on an institution that is essential to American democracy."
https://twitter.com/i/status/1672288243742646272
According to his aunt the 19 year old son did not want to go.
For the lawyers, assuming it is provable,
1. Can someone perhaps mom, claim duress nullifying the consent?
2. Is a 19y/o legally able to consent to something like this even ignoring the duress question
John lgb Henry
Its not a distraction, because the MSM is never going to report anything that would hurt Biden or the Democrats.
Its just filling in the news hole, where the Hunter Biden story should be.
If indeed withholding the information was a political decision to distract the public it may well have backfired.
It's easy to think that everyone is a politics junkie like most of us here but a lot of people who never, ever pay attention to such things and only tune in when the little girl falls down the well have been watching the news this past week.
Some of the nastiness of Hunter B. and his dirty deals and plea bargain must have broken through.
The secret sex club reveal helps draw them in.
Limited blogger said...
"The sub imploded 45 minutes into the dive, and everybody but me knew it?"
We tried to phone you and Messenger was down. You aren't alone.
" victoria said...
Well that's stupid. I think, like all these other jokers, that the people conducting the search were afraid that the push back from the right-wing media would be so significant that they chose to continue the "search" eventhough they all knew that these people were toast on Sunday. And now they are attacking the Coast Guard for not doing enough. what a joke."
Viki. I read this and realize you voted for the guy that want's to build a rail line across the Pacific Ocean to India.
Have you met Inga? You and your friends need to have your names and addresses pinned to your shirts.
People are reading too much into "the govt heard the boom." The ocean's a big place. Lots happens. If they heard a boom, they could, with some analysis, come up with a list of things that might have caused it, including the sub. That's not enough to conclude it was the sub--only that it might have been.
That German Shepherd is amazing. Focused like a laser beam.
A distraction? Just like the shooting of 1st graders in their classroom, eh, Alex Jones nutballs?
People are reading too much into "the govt heard the boom." The ocean's a big place. Lots happens. If they heard a boom, they could, with some analysis, come up with a list of things that might have caused it, including the sub. That's not enough to conclude it was the sub--only that it might have been.
Nope. I guarantee you that the Navy's computers know what an implosion sounds like and can differentiate that sound from others. Also with the various sonar detection systems, including any subs at sea, they could pinpoint the origin of the sound pretty closely. The Navy knew a sub had imploded somewhere near the Titanic within hours.
The delay had to do with disclosing naval capabilities, and if you're cynical, White House efforts to distract from Hunter's problems.
the people conducting the search were afraid that the push back from the right-wing media would be so significant that they chose to continue the "search" eventhough they all knew that these people were toast on Sunday.
Would Rightwingers or Leftwingers be more likely to say: "Tough luck, they made their own bed"?
Would Rightwingers or Leftwingers be more likely to save people from the consequences of their decision making?
Would Rightwingers or Leftwingers be more likely to hold people responsible for the choices they make?
Meanwhile in Minneapolis the son of a local politician runs his Escalade at 97 mph off the freeway on to Lake Street, and t-bones a car carrying 5 young women, killing all of them.
I wonder, how does everyone else commenting 'know' that 'they knew'? Just curious. I didn't 'know that they knew', and it seemed perfectly logical to me that they would keep their foot on the gas at least until the calculated air supply time ran out and there was no hope left. That's what rescuers do, and then they move into recovery phase.
A few Navy boys on duty, listening to the US's defensive sonar arrays heard, and probably communicated their conclusions pretty quickly up the chain. An implosion would have a unique acoustic signature. But that surveillance ability is probably Top Secret. Unless it was Trump's personal submarine, nobody in the Navy would have leaked the news out, and I doubt that anybody did. A military-command mind would see it as a golden opportunity to test logistical capability, and potentially test submarine recovery.
So, while I easily can understand some people being in the know, in the chain of command, I think it's pretty unlikely that CNN's producers knew and acted on the intelligence.
It's nice to think it's all 'Wag the Dog' BS, but it doesn't always have to be. I think it's more likely that any sympathetic impulses to provide cover for Hunter Biden crimes (and there's no doubt in my mind that there are felonies involved) just needed to have a reasonably attractive alternative. The OceanGate fit that bill nicely - they didn't have to work very hard to make it fit.
BTW, the dog youtube is much better without the sound OFF. why do people screwup their Youtube videos with bad music? OR should I say Distracting music?
Why should the Navy come out with this news publicly any earlier than they did?
The only person that needed to know this information was the Coast Guard commander that was directing the "rescue" operations. Once that person knew, they could funnel resources into looking for the debris field, which they found. If the Navy said it earlier, it would be as useful as the information about banging that was reported. Without confirmation of the debris, there would be a desire to continue a search. To the public, the information helps people know when it happened, but only because it we have other confirmation that the sound the Navy heard was indeed the Titan implosion.
The Titan story never distracted me from other news. If you think the Democrat media shills were going to spend a lot of coverage on whistleblowers; then you haven't paid attention in the past decade.
the push back from the right-wing media would be so significant that they chose to continue the "search"
It didn't seem the complaints on wasted taxpayer dollars on looking for billionaires was coming from the right side. Perhaps it should, but from Althouse very first post on the subject; it was clear the left was the source of outrage.
Pro-fathers showering with adolescent daughters victoria: "Well that's stupid. I think, like all these other jokers, that the people conducting the search were afraid that the push back from the right-wing media would be so significant that they chose to continue the "search" eventhough they all knew that these people were toast on Sunday. And now they are attacking the Coast Guard for not doing enough. what a joke."
Read that again and let the moronic stupidity wash over you.
That's not enough to conclude it was the sub--only that it might have been.
How about the timing of the boom along with the timing of when they lost contact? Not as good of evidence as bits of wreckage, but still something they could have reported before Thursday.
"That's not enough to conclude it was the sub--only that it might have been."
That's completely wrong. We have the North Atlantic blanketed with acoustic detection devices for obvious reasons. They would have triangulated the location and depth and the timing and the unique nature of the sound would have verified it beyond any reasonable doubt.
We can identify individual subs, we can, as they say in exaggeration for effect, hear a whale pass gas from 500 miles away and tell you what he ate for supper.
That and the fact that they are acknowledging that they informed the Coast Guard should put any questions to rest.
They knew. Who made the call to hold the information is the question.
that the people conducting the search were afraid that the push back from the right-wing media would be so significant that they chose to continue the "search" eventhough they all knew that these people were toast on Sunday.
I've read several opinions on this subject over the past few days, but this one takes the cake.
Pushback from the 'right-wing' media.
Just how freakin' braindead does one have to be to not only believe that, but write it down for all to see?
And by the way, when a ship goes down at sea, it's all hands on deck (so to speak) in the rescue effort, or should be.
Bitching about the cost is petty, ignorant bullshit.
"that the people conducting the search were afraid that the push back from the right-wing media would be so significant that they chose to continue the "search" eventhough they all knew that these people were toast on Sunday."
I am not sure which is greater evidence of an unwillingness to see things as they are: That "Vicki from Pasadena" puts this out as an explanation, or that she actually believes that it would be justifiable if true. Really? It's OK for the military to engage in fraudulent and pointless exercises that cost many millions of taxpayer dollars (well, in fairness, that part is not unusual) because they don't want to be criticised by "right-wing media"?
Was there a dog treat in that hockey puck? There certainly was at one time.
My dog would get distracted even if the puck was made of frozen filet mignon, but the ability of dogs to focus on food is astonishing. Good dog!
I guarantee you that the Navy's computers know what an implosion sounds like and can differentiate that sound from others. Also with the various sonar detection systems, including any subs at sea, they could pinpoint the origin of the sound pretty closely. The Navy knew a sub had imploded somewhere near the Titanic within hours.
@Gahrie, I’m going to challenge this. How many small, carbon fiber submersibles have the analysts heard implode? It wouldn’t surprise me if they could tell a that a full size submarine imploded, and perhaps they can even distinguish an attack submarine from a boomer. But would they know what a small (22ft.) submersible sounds like when it dies?
Ahi say the pushback against Vicki and he4 idiotic comment from so many posters brought a smile to my face.
Thank you!
But would they know what a small (22ft.) submersible sounds like when it dies?
An implosion is an implosion. Implosions don't occur naturally; no sea creatures implode when they sink to the depths.
I’m going to challenge this. How many small, carbon fiber submersibles have the analysts heard implode? It wouldn’t surprise me if they could tell a that a full size submarine imploded, and perhaps they can even distinguish an attack submarine from a boomer. But would they know what a small (22ft.) submersible sounds like when it dies?
Speaking bluntly as a former submariner, the collapse of a pressure vessel will sound substantively similar regardless of the material it is made of. The magnitude will be different as you note because it is smaller, but other than that, the only really noticeable acoustic difference would be the absence of multiple collapses as was hard in the THRESHER from the multiple compartments failing at different times.
What likely happened is that a transient noise was logged at the time of the loss of communication, and one of our acoustic experts probably listened to verify that it sounded like a pop.
If my time had come while at sea, that is how I would have wanted to go. THRESHER and SCORPION crews had time to contemplate their imminent demise, knowing there was not a damn thing they could do about it. Not sure if I would prefer that or slowly suffocating like those on the KURSK.
Heh, was going to be a beer night, might have to go with the whiskey instead.
@Big Mike How many small, carbon fiber submersibles have the analysts heard implode?
Once a catastrophic pressure event begins, size and pressure matter a lot; materials much less so. That is true for both under-pressure (implosion) and over-pressure (rupture) failures. For the submersible, it wouldn't have mattered much if it were the carbon fiber hull, the titanium dome, or the viewing port. The sound was generated by the water rushing in to fill the void, then slamming into the water around the hull. (The effect of the hull on this would have been negligible.) Think cavitation and water hammer at the largest scale imaginable.
The military probably has good enough information on implosion events to interpolate/ extrapolate to the known volume and suspected depth. How long it took them to do the analysis is a very different question.
"Obama is one of the better-spoken political hacks of our era. Everything to him is political or racial. We were captivated by the story of the Titan because it was linked to the Titanic, one of the great stories of the 20th century. It had nothing to do with "values." It had nothing to do with indifference toward migrants. It nothing to do with bigotry.
Barack, go play golf." - William Katz/Urgent Agenda
https://redstate.com/bobhoge/2023/06/23/former-divider-in-chief-obama-tries-to-politicize-sub-tragedy-calls-out-obscene-inequality-of-news-coverage-n766165
I see black helicopters.
They made me this way.
My husband had a lot of trouble sleeping during this incident. He couldn't get the picture of the people aboard huddled in the dark as their air dwindled out of his mind. News of the debris field finally gave him some relief.
I get the "protecting strategic capabilities" thing, though I do question its assumption that other countries don't already assume we have the ability to detect a subsea sound and locate its source. I mean, I assumed it myself - surely we have enough things listening to triangulate location based on sound wave propagation? Yes, the fact that it's water and the presence of lots of undersea refractors would complicate the process, but - again - I just kind of assumed that we could bring enough modeling and analysis to bear on those problems.
Inga said...
"A distraction? Just like the shooting of 1st graders in their classroom, eh, Alex Jones nutballs?"
I rest my case.
Rabel said...
"And by the way, when a ship goes down at sea, it's all hands on deck (so to speak) in the rescue effort, or should be.
Bitching about the cost is petty, ignorant bullshit."
Yeah. Up to a point. My heart goes out to the families of the four people who thought this was going to be an exciting safe dive. But the guy who built the thing gets none of my sympathy.
I'm sure the Navy and Coast Guard have procedures that they have to go through when something like this happens. You know. On the off chance that somebody did survive or there is a body to recover. It's going to cost us no matter what, but in this instance I don't think they sent out every available ship because the already knew what happened.
The New Yorker(D) LIES.
There is credible evidence against Hunter. @@
The people I know who work with composites for a living (and weirdly, given my own profession, there are nearly a dozen--maybe it's a Carnegie Mellon / MIT thing) were absolutely sure that the submersible had imploded as soon as they read the longish story about the design that said that they did not use an autoclave to make sure the cure was complete, no delamination, no uncured bits, no voids. And it seems that skipping the autoclave was entirely a cost-cutting move, since another friend has autoclaved a military item that was 9 ft x 20 ft, so large-enough autoclaves do exist.
A submariner vet wrote that the problem was that people were taking aviation/space approaches: "Spaces doesn't care if you live or die. Deep water is actively trying to kill you."
All that said, moaning about the cost of the search is dumb. When they have a restricted location, Coast Guard and/or Navy just about always keep searching until they've found the debris or the dead (the thing could only drift so far; it's not like looking for aircraft debris in the entire Indian Ocean). That the NEWS MEDIA decided to overplay this as a distraction is a possibility, but unless there was some imminent danger to the searchers, the Coast Guard would have kept searching until they found the debris even with the info on the implosion from the Navy. I'll bet the commander on the scene and the crew of the ships were certain that everybody was dead as soon as they were told the details.
I'll use small words for the brain-dead liberals posting and reading here.
IT'S NOT THE EVENT. IT'S THE COVERAGE.
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