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What's the difference between encouraging someone and egging him on?

I'm trying to read "Scoop: How Trump's team egged him on during CNN town hall" by Mike Allen (Axios).

The "scoop" is this:

Backstage during the first commercial break, Axios has learned, Trump adviser Jason Miller — as if psyching up a boxer in his corner or egging on a bully — showed Trump moments-old tweets from Democrats blasting CNN and saying Trump was winning.

Trump saw that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez had tweeted: "CNN should be ashamed of themselves. They have lost total control of this 'town hall' to again be manipulated into platforming election disinformation, defenses of Jan 6th, and a public attack on a sexual abuse victim. The audience is cheering him on and laughing at the host."

And he saw that Andrew Yang had tweeted: "This #CNNTownhall is shaping up to be a clear win for Trump, certainly in the Republican field and probably overall."

So, that must have been encouraging for Trump. I'm just blogging because I think if Biden had been doing an equally strong town hall and had received the same kind of encouragement, it wouldn't be called "egging on." Let's talk about the concept of "egging on." It makes me think of Melania Trump's reaction to the Access Hollywood tape back in October 2016: "boy talk, and he was led on – like, egged on – from the host to say dirty and bad stuff."

The Merriam-Webster definition of "egg on" is "to urge or encourage (someone) to do something that is usually foolish or dangerous." So it's the end that makes the difference between encouraging and egging on. In the Axios view, therefore, Miller wasn't telling Trump to keep up the good work. He was telling Trump to keep up the bad work. 

Why does this have anything to do with eggs?, you may wonder. Surprising answer: It doesn't! The OED tells us it's derived from the Old Norse word "eggja," which means "edge." We're edging someone on. This meaning goes back to the 1500s:

1586    W. Warner Albions Eng.  iv. xx. 86   The Neatresse longing for the rest, did egge him on to tell How faire she was....
1691    A. Wood Athenæ Oxonienses II. 328   Mathew Hazard [was] a main Incendiary in the Rebellion, violently eggedon by his wife....
1852    W. M. Thackeray Henry Esmond II. x. 171   Schemers and flatterers would egg him on.

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wendybar বলেছেন...

What would the Pravda media do without Trump to attack???

Yancey Ward বলেছেন...

Yep, "egging on" is the pejorative version of encouraging and I question the idea that a bully gets egged on- bullies do the egging on is my personal experience with bullies. In that town hall, the only person actually being bullied was Trump himself by the moderator, but Trump knows how to handle bullies, and that is what annoyed Democrats- Trump didn't take his beating like they wanted- he punched back, hard.

Michael K বলেছেন...

Axios is just a variation of WaPoo and the NYT. Maybe a touch of "The Nation" but it's hard to tell anymore.

rehajm বলেছেন...

May I have the language of origin please?

It's Old Norse

Could you use it in a sentence

Political operative Ray Epps egged on protesters to enter The Capitol so the Democrats could use them as political pawns to get Trump.

Are there any additional pronunciations?

egged on...incited the crowd as a psyops plant...peacefully protested the election

RideSpaceMountain বলেছেন...

"What's the difference between encouraging someone and egging him on?"

Encouraging someone is what Trump's team did. "Egging him on" is what the sad fat little goth girls who cut themselves known as liberals think his team did. Trump is like a walking-talking trigger warning forcing these character abominations to relive all the time they got stuffed in a locker in 9th grade. I love it. They hate it. Stay mad.

Jupiter বলেছেন...

Gosh. Yet another left-wing shit-weasel playing games with the English language. What is that, number 7,486,281? Or maybe 7,486,282, I could have missed one. It's almost like there's a pattern here. Maybe AI can figure it out for us.

Drago বলেছেন...

I believe receiving positive feedback during a townhall meeting is an impeachable offense.

mezzrow বলেছেন...

over-egg the pudding - ​used to say that you think somebody has done more than is necessary, or has added unnecessary details to make something seem better or worse than it really is. If you're telling lies, keep it simple—never over-egg the pudding.

https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/us/definition/english/over-egg#:~:text=over%2Degg%20the%20pudding,never%20over%2Degg%20the%20pudding.

gilbar বলেছেন...

the Last time, that someone was egging ME on..
They were Physically throwing eggs at me; i didn't like it one bit. But; i DID go on

n.n বলেছেন...

Trump's "team": CNN, NYT, WaPo, Axios, Biden, New York stage, New York city, Marxists, communists, socialists, fascists et al. who challenge and feed Trump's extrovert personality. Babies... fetal-babies are human, too.

gahrie বলেছেন...

You encourage someone to do something when it's in the best interests of those involved. You egg someone on when you're simply stirring shit so you can see a show.

Narayanan বলেছেন...

"What's the difference between encouraging someone and egging him on?"
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analyze when you see some people doing somethings in NYC subway

PM বলেছেন...

Axios wouldn't use that kind of biased, choke-chain language. Its manifesto forbids it:
"Misinformation and the erosion of truth, often propagated on social media, are existential threats to democracy. Journalism must be fact-based."

rhhardin বলেছেন...

I guessed edging just from how it sounded. Similar to an egg-corn.

wendybar বলেছেন...


EXACTLY rehajm
Political operative Ray Epps egged on protesters to enter The Capitol so the Democrats could use them as political pawns to get Trump.


egged on...incited the crowd as a psyops plant...peacefully protested the election

5/15/23, 1:17 PM

And Trumps team encouraged him.

madAsHell বলেছেন...

Maybe AI can figure it out for us.

Makes me think of Dan Rather........."fake, but accurate!!"

minnesota farm guy বলেছেন...

"Egging on" is the equivalent of saying "Sure, 'll hold your beer!"

BUMBLE BEE বলেছেন...

They write nothing new or creative. Same thing, same way, every day Stupefaction!

Aggie বলেছেন...

Yes, but.....If Axios wants to present this as an unfortunate negative aspect of the event, do you notice that they don't have any suggestions about what the Trump team was supposed to be doing, constructively? One is forced to conclude that, for Axios, every aspect of the event should be seen negatively.

typingtalker বলেছেন...

From Wikipedia. I'm posting this mostly to see how much/many of the special characters are reproduced in the comment ...

Æ (lowercase: æ) is a character formed from the letters a and e, originally a ligature representing the Latin diphthong ae. It has been promoted to the status of a letter in some languages, including Danish, Norwegian, Icelandic, and Faroese. It was also used in Old Swedish before being changed to ä. The modern International Phonetic Alphabet uses it to represent the near-open front unrounded vowel (the sound represented by the 'a' in the English word cat). Diacritic variants include Ǣ/ǣ, Ǽ/ǽ, Æ̀/æ̀, Æ̂/æ̂ and Æ̃/æ̃.[a]

As a letter of the Old English Latin alphabet, it was called æsc, "ash tree",[1] after the Anglo-Saxon futhorc rune ᚫ which it transliterated; its traditional name in English is still ash, or æsh if the ligature is included.

Æ

Mike (MJB Wolf) বলেছেন...

All y'all who have been waiting for Durham can wake up and go read it now. Democrats and Feds hardest hit. LOL.

wendybar বলেছেন...
এই মন্তব্যটি লেখক দ্বারা সরানো হয়েছে।
wendybar বলেছেন...

Hardest hit, but NOBODY is going to be charged...as usual, because they are Progressives, and as we see over and over and over again....they can do and say whatever they want with NO consequences. Everything they spew is a lie. How does anybody trust anybody "official" ever again??

THIS is egging us on. THIS is election interference. It isn't going to end pretty.

wendybar বলেছেন...

THIS is egging us on...They all deserve to be treated like the traitors they are.

Greg Price
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🚨BREAKING: According to the Durham Report, the plan by Hillary Clinton to create a false story linking Donald Trump to Russia was briefed in August of 2016 by CIA Director John Brennan to President Obama, VP Biden, AG Loretta Lynch, and FBI Director Comey.

BIII Zhang বলেছেন...

And we all know what ultimately happens when you're edging someone on.

If you know what I mean.

And I think that you do.

narciso বলেছেন...

yes axios is for those who think politico isn't lame enough, its got an aussie as their lead correspondent

Wince বলেছেন...

Althouse said...
In the Axios view, therefore, Miller wasn't telling Trump to keep up the good work. He was telling Trump to keep up the bad work.

"Looking good, Donnie. Keep up the bad work."

SteveGW বলেছেন...

Why does the OED say that the verb 'to egg' comes from Old Norse eggja for 'edge' when OE has ecg for the same thing? The OE word doesn't come from ON, it's from the old Indo-European language underlying both OE and ON. I don't have access to the OED at the moment, so I can't use it to check the history of 'to egg's appearance in English. Did it occur in some relevantly Norse context in York, say?

rhhardin বলেছেন...

Derrida, on prayer, said that his prayers have more than one age - he is a child and he is an adult both at once. The transcriber put it that his prayers have more than one edge.

wendybar বলেছেন...

THIS

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AP can’t even report the facts without sashaying around the truth ad nauseum. If you read just this headline, you would have no inkling that the Russia probe was a complete and utter hoax.

Corporate media is done. Worthless handjob fluffers for the Democrats and nothing more.
The Associated Press
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BREAKING: A special prosecutor has ended his four-year investigation into possible FBI misconduct in its probe of ties between Russia and Donald Trump’s 2016 campaign. The report fell short of Trump’s prediction he would uncover the “crime of the century.” https://apnews.com/article/durham-trump-russia-probe-7e84f94ca9cf7905cbc5eddc108575b3?taid=64628c30acd1eb0001fcbde0&utm_campaign=TrueAnthem&utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Twitter
5:06 PM · May 15, 2023

chuck বলেছেন...

The difference is about $3.00 these days. It used to be less.

wildswan বলেছেন...

We need portmanteau words so as to give equal time to the point of view of left and right on the same event. Beginning here, we could say Trump's team was encouraging/egging or "encourajegging." Elections are rigged/counted or "riggacounted." Ms. Kaitlin seemed to have assertions, i.e., "You are lying" confused with fact checking by citing relevant, significant facts as, e.g., Durham does in his report. "Assertaciting."

The Cracker Emcee Refulgent বলেছেন...

As opposed to pumping him full of anti-dementia meds?

farmgirl বলেছেন...

What’s the difference between shouting “don’t jump!!” &shouting “don’t jump!!” when you’re Biden?
Same/same.

Mutaman বলেছেন...

Rusty said...

Mutaman said...


"Said they guy who has never left a citation."

Here's a cite for you Rusty- applies to both you and your cardiologist.

https://thoughtcatalog.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/headupass.jpg