Did these college friends get what they wanted... or did some man horn in on their sweet dream? Well, of course, there would need to be a man to float the dream with a cash flow, but if all they want is to be a mom and care for a house, they could lose the man and keep the cash, the kids, and the house and still have everything they want. I hope PoliMath is misstating the mindset of the college women, but I have a problem with a dream life that uses another person as a means to an end. The husband could also be seeing his wife as a means to an end. Maybe all he wants are children and a well-kept household.I say this in all love and earnestness:
— PoliMath (@politicalmath) March 14, 2023
The happiest people I know are women who realized in college that they wanted to be a mom and care for a house
It's not always an easy thing, but the rewards are enormoushttps://t.co/lD9UvqA9mr
Anyway, I went on to read the NY Post article. This was the most interesting part:
“Of course, with all things, you’re going to have extremists on every little corner of the internet… and the extremists within the trad wife community really just started taking over the entire community as a whole, condoning White supremacy and the r-word... that I will not say because TikTok will take my video down… the r-word in marriage."
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No tag for "r"?
diversity, friends with "benefits", empathetic relief, wicked solution, commodity value of human life
I hope PoliMath is misstating the mindset of the college women, but I have a problem with a dream life that uses another person as a means to an end
I think rather than him misstating the mindset, you are reading a lot of your own thoughts into it.
Regardless of the original omission of hubby this sounds too much like advocating for family to suite the pink pussy hats and their Marxist overlords (overladies? overthings?).
Raising a big family is a full time job for two Trad Parents. Since tuition at a good private Academy is no longer optional for parents that want their kids raised as healthy and sane people, a working Father with a high income is not an option, it is a necessity.
As for me, I’ll take a church going Martha Stewart type gal at our home. That’s the living of the actual American dream.
And then you get to watch your children raise the grand children the same Trad way. They know how good they had it, want to recreate it, and greatly love you for it.
Voila, the world population collapse is solved.
My sister went to college for her Mrs. degree. Her husband wanted a wife who would runt he house and raise the children while he focused on his career. They both got exactly what they wanted. So I'm sure lots of people will have a problem with it.
if all they want is to be a mom and care for a house, they could lose the man and keep the cash, the kids, and the house and still have everything they want.
Presumably they wanted to stay at home and take care of the kids. It's hard to do that without somebody working, isn't it? And maybe what they wanted was not to have to put up with the agita and bullshit of the 9-5. Not everybody has investments or can work from home and watch the kids at the same time. You may not need a man, but you do need somebody to pay the bills.
Curious about the "r-word? I had no idea. I looked it up and "retarded" was the answer. Then I checked the article, and apparently it's "[marital-rape]." My guess is Madison Dastrup either cherry-picked a few offensive comments or was rebuked by someone else who cherry-picked those comments and she used those comments as an excuse to revert to the "raging feminist" that she was before she glommed on to the "trad wife" fad.
Never trust anybody named Madison, or anybody who would name their daughter Madison.
I realized at about 16 that what I really desired was to be a wife and a mother and to care for my family and our home. (Kind of clunky to say I wanted to "care for a house," but whatever.) I went to an Ivy League university, a top law school, clerked on a federal circuit court, and earned over $200k as a starting salary at a white shoe law firm. And I left it all to stay home full time when our first child arrived. I left that life not with sadness but with elation. And after over a decade living the "trad" life my husband and I chose for ourselves, we could not be happier. Our marriage is strong, our children are thriving, our home is warm and orderly. I have the ability to give time to our church, our school, our neighbors, our extended families, and our friends. I'm grateful to my wonderful husband for working hard to make our family's traditional life possible. I'm also grateful that we see each other as equal teammates in the whole thing. Traditional family life is a wonderful blessing for those who are suited to it.
Spouse, Althouse, spouse. Nothing requires that the spouse has to be a male.
Fierce face. Imagine the things she might do in a different room in the house.
Maybe racism is a different thing altogether....
What do online extremists have to do with your alignment with a traditional lifestyle? If you want that lifestyle than live it. Join the community of others who also want that lifestyle. Not an internet based community, but a community based community.
The problem is that she has no interest in a traditional lifestyle. She wants a TikTokking lifestyle in which she presents herself living a traditional lifestyle.
This is one ______-up generation.
You fill in the blank.
I knew some Goucher girls who realized this one week into freshman year, when they met preppies with money, cars, nice apartments, and cocaine.
Starting in 2012 the daughters of the liberals became increasingly depressed and suicidal at increasingly young ages. Now 12-year-old girls are talking suicide and attempting it in large numbers. At the same time the number of seminarians studying to be Catholic priests began to rise slowly at first but now the increase is dramatic. In Milwaukee in 2012 there were 12 seminarians; now there are 85. The trad family begins a comeback also.
End of belief in non-belief? It used to be thought that secular democrats could keep the society they inherited from Christianity and improve it. The Sixties presented the moment when that thought became explicit and ascended and, from then on, increasingly pushed religion out of the public square. But has belief in non-belief peaked? Not for everyone, of course - but I wonder if anyone really feels that the mainstream of current secular American society is working?
The ad for traditional Thanksgiving might last forever as a recurring archetype. But Will drag queens be making a comeback in sixty years? or Hunter Biden?
Swing of the pendulum? or something deeper? Why should we be surprised at a return to belief in spiritual realities and our connection with them? That's a belief that's lasted 4,000 years in the case of the Jews, 2000 years in the case of the Christians, no one knows how long in the case of the animists. Belief in higher beings and higher laws created civilizations everywhere, all the ones we know of. And they all lasted longer than 60 years. That doesn't make them true - but it makes their claims formidable in these times of ours.
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"...[W]anted to be a mom and care for a house."
Not only no mention of hubby (or wife-spouse), but offspring are referenced only tangentially ("be a mom"). Just the "house" is specifically noted. Strange. Bizarre.
"...[A}nd the extremists ... condoning White [sic] supremacy and the r-word...."
Well said. The Black dudes I know all treat their bitches and ho's with the utmost respect and dignity. It's just those white assholes.... Ya know it by the color of ther skin.
Jeebus!
Ann Althouse said.... but I have a problem with a dream life that uses another person as a means to an end.
It's like, in this capitalist patriarchy someone's always using someone else, maaaaaan.
Like if someone drives a luxury car and enjoys a comfortable retirement you just know for sure that there are tons of exploited people who made that happen--like people saddled with student debt they took out the pay the salaries of the people who would give them the piece of paper they needed to become, like, big shots themselves so they could profit off of the work and suffering of others, dig? It's like, in this system everybody's dream life uses someone else as a means to an end, ok?
Me, I'm not a part of your system!
Hey, yeah. He can work on it those long weekends at home in Delaware. Or those layovers on the road piloting the tractor-trailer, or between semesters at his University gig. If he is not distracted by those kids rubbing his leg to see the hairs stand up.
"But they found a way to keep him going for a lot longer than they anticipated, because they found a breakthrough."
Izzat Jimmy? Or Joe? Or both?
"I have a problem with a dream life that uses another person as a means to an end"
Only as a means to an end--yes, that's a problem. But we all "use" others as means to an end. It's inevitable. With proper respect and compensation, mutual love in the case of trads, there's nothing inherently wrong with it. In my dream life, skilled plumbers take care of my plumbing issues; I happily use them as means to my end. They happily charge me hundreds of dollars for a simple job--living the dream.
Where is the "white f-ing privilege" tag?
The "r-word"? She's talking about talking like a pirate? Arrrr. I guess those could be viewed as extremists. But the eye-patches and do-rags are cute, so there's that. And the porch pirates do come back with some interesting swag for the little lady every night.
I know a few who've pursue various trad-[insert blank] trends, and they all seem to be searchers-come-joiners, with lower than typical desire for independence and personal responsibility.
... What kind of trad-[insert blank] is also active on tiktok? Doesn't seem very traditional to me.
Christ, I feel sorry for Meade. Lost in a transactional relationship.
"Not everybody ... can work from home and watch the kids at the same time."
Nobody can. You can work from home or you can watch the kids but you can't do both at the same time.
Althouse, I don't know if you follow Polimath but he's a thoughtful guy. I wonder if you picture him as some kind of campaigner against women in the workplace.
Women who prefer staying at home to raise the kids in a stable, loving marriage exist. It's a gamble like anything else. But I don't know if you see this as a rebuke of your own path. More power to you, it worked for ya.
Did these college friends get what they wanted... or did some man horn in on their sweet dream?
It seems more like you disapprove of some other women's dream.
Lurker21 said...
Never trust anybody named Madison, or anybody who would name their daughter Madison.
You missed or would live in...
So a professional influencer attached herself to an existent lifestyle and claimed it as her own IP. Then when the field got too crowded to continue bringing in the cash flow she thought she deserved she decided to make money by denouncing the lifestyle based on a few internet trolls who likely have zero to do with it.
Typical Leftist parasite.
David Burge's (@iowahawkblog) take on that Post article:
in which one woman on TikTok prompted disapproval from 3 TikTok commenters, resulting in heavy thinkpieces in 4 publications
Inva traditional marriage, no one is using anyone. It's voluntary on both sides. What planet are you from???
Jeanne Kirkpatrick suggested that women have their children and then their careers. I think this makes a lot of sense.
Even a traditional marriage offers the wife the opportunity to drive to the courthouse and apply for half the estate, especially after a capital event. The world is a dangerous place.
By your reckoning, Ann, it would be inappropriate for a young woman to be a professional soccer player, because her teammates would be a "means to an end."
Seeking to be a part of a team (even a life-long team) is not exploitative.
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