There's nothing wrong with William supporting England, he was born in England, he's English, it's right he supports them.
— Julie Jones (@Ms_JulieJ) November 15, 2022
What's wrong is that he's been given the title Prince of Wales. https://t.co/CR32FWP8X8
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Wales.
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It's got to be weird to outsiders that there is some kind of campaign by Welsh people to strip William of the Prince of Wales title. A sign of unjust conquest, etc. Hard to believe anybody cares, but there is some kind of Welsh nationalist movement, putting incomprehensible Gaelic words on street signs, etc.
Kingsley Amis taught in Wales for a while, in an area that was really very English--coal miners had migrated there, and such. He mocked the nationalism, and has characters in The Old Devils say the Welsh are known for singing and lying.
England's conquest of Wales: fairly complete. Scotland: less complete. Ireland: a complete and utter disaster.
what's WRONG, is that german princes are ruling the Scottish Isle.. THAT is what is wrong
GOD gave them a divinely appointed King; and the chopped his head off
GOD gave them another divinely appointed King, and they replaced Him with a german "elector"
I used to have a hippie traveler friend with a Welsh ex-girlfriend. He told me that Wales would be a lovely place if it weren't for the Welsh. Weirdly, there is a big pickup truck with Texas plates working in my area lately that flies a Welsh flag in front. Uncommon to see signs of Welsh nationalism in the USA. Most people are unaware of its existence, and rightly so.
I feel the same about his title as I would if it were Prince of Mars. I only wish William would tell an offensive joke about the Welsh ("I used to go out with a Welsh girl that had 36DDs. It was a ridiculously long name.") We could then go through a big news cycle about whether he should be stripped of the title.
Perhaps England should quit the UK and let the Scots and the Welsh beg for money from England.
The country is named the "United Kingdom," not "England." Kings hold dominion over the entire kingdom. It's both tautological and Monarchy 101.
Next, they are going to go into how UK kings and queens sit on Scotland's Stone of Scone. But still, it's either the United Kingdom or some other political arrangement. The revolution isn't here yet, so none of this is a surprise.
It profits a man nothing to give his support for his country against the whole world cup... but for Wales!
Heads of state aren't supposed to take sides like that. At least not publicly.
It's soccer. I try to care, but I cannot.
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If you know, you know.
It's a 'can't lose' game for the prince, England vs. Wales.
Struggling for Welsh independence makes me think about dogs chasing cars: what in the world would they do if they got what they're after?
We should send HIMARS!
There is an easy fix.
Change his title to Prince of Whales.
Ahhh, another news item about the endlessly fascinating UK royals.
That Prince title is a bit, ahem, inconvenient when he's pulling for their opponent in the Copa Mundo.
Robert Marshall said...what in the world would they do if they got what they're after?
Probably the same thing Scotland would do--apply to the EU for massive subsidies.
Wales, still upset that England stole all of their vowels in 1126, rail against the new Prince of Wales.
Speaking of Welsh football, if you haven't caught "Welcome to Wrexham" yet, I highly recommend it.
Oh dear has someone discovered what an appanage is?
Anyway, there's some debate about whether or not the Welsh conquered the English when the Tudors or more exotically, Tewdwrs, took over.
And if either team makes it to the knockout stage against Australia or Canada, what should the future king of those countries do?
William looks like a bald chipmunk in a business suit. My Dad had enough Welsh blood to be blessed with short miners legs, a long torso, long ape arms and giant hands. It helped him be a very good 3 on 3 basketball player up until his early fifties when his knees give out.
Glad to know there's someone over there worrying about the important stuff.
Heads of state aren't supposed to take sides like that. At least not publicly.
Yeah it's a good thing none of our presidents ever do that.
High ape index is also a plus for rock climbers, deadlifters, and rowers (if you have a bit of height as well).
Love your description of William.
The world's oldest democracy.
If you define democracy as total control by an hereditary monarch as "democracy"
John Henry lgbtq
After William’s father was invested as Prince of Wales at Caernarfon Castle he made it his business to at least give the appearance of caring deeply about his Welsh subjects. Wills may choose to go in a different direction.
How many people read "Prince of Wales" and thought "Charles"?
I guess Wales should raise an army then. Wasn't it a Welshman who killed Richard III? Wounds found on Richard III's skull comported with the description of his death by a Welsh poet.
What's wrong is not the title, but that the United Kingdom gets to field multiple teams. FIFA, second only to the IOC on the international corruption scale.
Soccer comes from the phrase Association Football (as distinct from Rugby Football). Invented and developed in Britain, there were associations for England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland. The keeper of the official rules since the 1800s is a body made up of those associations and FIFA, itself a collection of national associations. So the British associations predate FIFA and were given the right to submit separate teams to the tournament organized by FIFA. (A tournament the US can take some blame for when it wouldn't include soccer at the '32 LA Olympics.)
The various UK teams all still have to qualify. If anything having multiple teams just makes them all less competitive.
Wales may not be a country, but it is a nation. Like Scotland and England. Why shouldn't it have its own team? Why should its identity be crushed?
Readering, thanks for the history lesson.
Old and slow, I considered your point but dropped it in the interest of making a comment orthogonal to the subject of titles.
Careful Tim, ethnic nationalism is problematic enough without mixing in soccer passions.
“William looks like a bald chipmunk in a business suit. My Dad had enough Welsh blood to be blessed with short miners legs, a long torso, long ape arms and giant hands. It helped him be a very good 3 on 3 basketball player up until his early fifties when his knees give out.”
I have the short legs and long torso. So do a couple of my brothers. But definitely not bald.
Funny story. I flew back to Michigan, after my (full Welsh) grandmother had a stroke (she was in her early 90s at the time). When we first visited her in the hospital, she recognized my mother, and me, but not my father (her son in law for over 40 years). She noted that I had her thick hair, as did my mother. White now, but still thick, as was hers still was. My other grandmother was 1/2 Welsh. That works out to 3/8 Welsh, 3/8 English, 1/8 Scotch, and 1/8 German. 7/8 from one tiny island with a shared monarchy. And, yet, somehow, after all this time, it still matters. It’s kinda like when my two alma maters were playing in the Frozen 4, and the winner was pretty much guaranteed the Div I championship. I just can’t get excited enough to take sides, since I have allegiances on both sides.
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