"... denying without comment the former president’s last-ditch effort to extend a legal battle that has consumed Congress and the courts for years. The justices’ brief order means that the Treasury Department may quickly hand over six years of tax records from Trump and some of his companies to the House Ways and Means Committee."
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64 comments:
You no longer have to report illegal income, owing to the self-incrimination requirement. The bargain struck when the income tax was allowed was that no income tax information would go to agencies outside the IRS, so that self-incrimination didn't become incriminating.
Not having any informed opinion on the merits of the claim that Congressional legislative oversight extends to Trump's tax returns, I will only say that when (not if) these tax returns are leaked to the media, someone should pay a very heavy price for that rat-f**king. And of course, that price will never be paid.
Our DC government is a mess!
does this mean, that next time *i* file a form, i can just plead the 5th? If Not; WHY Not?
They want to audit a return that has already been approved by the IRS???
Why would I want to negotiate my taxes with the IRS, and then realize the return will be scrutinized, without context, in the media?
This is a witch hunt. Can we see Pelosi's return??
How sad for Trump, none of his SC picks came through for him. Well, that gives me hope.
A question asked from DC to Kiev and back to DC. This implies that Congress is investigating the period products of the ways and means of the IRS over a six year period.
The Democrats have set another precedent that is going to come back to haunt them.
Awesome. That means the GOP House can get the Biden Family tax returns as well. Right?
I'll bet Trump's are cleaner.
Fine by me. The new House, if the Republicans do indeed control it, should subpoena the tax records of the Pelosis, the Schumers, the Bidens, the Harris', the Obamas etc. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. It would be highly amusing to see the sudden changes of opinion on the Left about the efficacy of such political tactics.
Certainly clears the way for a Republican-majority Ways and Means committee to get access to Joe's and Hunter's tax returns.
I guess let the fun begin?
Our march to banana republic continues. The opposing party now can just take any of your private information. It will be leaked immediately.
The Supreme Court is correct...
Congress should be able to access and publicize anybody's tax returns and leak them to the media. Then hold hearings on them. First behind closed doors with leaks. Then publicly with only selected portions available for the record.
Yours...mine... Trump's, Obama's, Biden's, Clinton's...Pelosi's...Paul Ryan's...
Let's give'r!! I triple dog dare ya...
The justices are next.
I wonder how the Biden's are feeling about this. With the recent crypto scandal the Democrats shouldn't be so cocky. Karma can be a real bitch.
I wonder how the Biden's are feeling about this. With the recent crypto scandal the Democrats shouldn't be so cocky. Karma can be a real bitch.
I wonder how the Biden's are feeling about this. With the recent crypto scandal the Democrats shouldn't be so cocky. Karma can be a real bitch.
geez only 1329 days since litigation and looks like the 6-3 right wing court went 9-0 on release, not a single dissention, now what will Congress Ways and Means do with them? 6103 says it has to be non blabbable! (right) TBA the hide is over as it seems. Federal Judge and Special Master also going by the roadside also. 11th Circuit back in action, SCOTUS will give same answer when appealed, the big stall, clock is ticking who wins the race! stay tuned, the entertainment factor back in play.
Inga
Google Tanner Spoarks.
And then ask yourself why you most definitely know who george floyd is. May he rot in hell.
madAsHell said...
They want to audit a return that has already been approved by the IRS???
Why would I want to negotiate my taxes with the IRS, and then realize the return will be scrutinized, without context, in the media?
This is a witch hunt. Can we see Pelosi's return??
Pelosi's return should be subpoenaed first day the Republicnas are in charge. Along with Joe and Hunter Biden's forms. They'd be a hoot. I imagine a fiction writer would never insert them into a novel because fiction has to be believable.
I, for one, look forward to illegally obtained documents being published by the press to once again be a necessary function in a free society. Not something that should be blocked or get you social media bans. Don't worry though. This will change once again if it impacts Democrats in a negative way.
Would that be the House Ways and Means Committee that is under Republican control in little more than a month?
As to Pelosi's return, why not? A precedent has been established.
The good news here is that this will be precedent for paybacks down the road. There are a number of Dem returns that should interesting to see. Let's start with the Clintons and their "foundation". And Bernie's. As a general rule, let's see any returns of those whose net worth has very substantially increased during their term in office. Like, for example, the Obamas.
- Krumhorn
The bargain struck when the income tax was allowed was that no income tax information would go to agencies outside the IRS, so that self-incrimination didn't become incriminating.
That was then. Now we have a population of Ingas who have no idea of the law, but hate Trump. It was amusing when some IRS criminal leaked Trump's 1995 tax return to Mad Cow on MSDNC. She was crowing about her scoop until she realized he had paid $25 million in income tax.
They already have his tax returns but it would be illegal to publicize them without this court victory. This is only meant to embarrass Trump despite the fever dreams of the Resident Idiot.
Let's do Joe Biden next.
"How sad for Trump, none of his SC picks came through for him."
We don't know that. SC doesn't normally announce who voted for/against certiorari.
Maybe Sotomayor, Kagan and Jackson all voted for cert.
what congressional committee? who is on this committee?
The plot gets thicker.
That said, expect this to be a nothingburger.
Inga said...
How sad for Trump, none of his SC picks came through for him. Well, that gives me hope.
Hope for what?
A fascist police state where the current ruling Regime can dig through your personal income tax returns whenever they want to?
I look forward to your wailing and gnashing of teeth when Republicans get the house and start digging into Democrats IRS statements. But why stop there.
The tag should be "Biden troubles."
All his tax and financial records are fair game now.
Tax law is complex and real estate tax law is worse.
Plenty of room for a headline... "Trump deducted....!!!"
Took a class in same in the long ago. One instructor said that you could, in some cities and in some tax environments, build an office building and make money even before you have tenants.
Try anticipating a headline making that not look like hypercriminality.
Walls closing in. No really. We're not kidding this time.
The ongoing price that must be paid by the Trump family for winning 2016 election and saving the USA from Globalist Crooks goes on and on. Even his three Supreme Court lifetime appointees that he dared to appoint and get confirmed turned on him a once that they got theirs. That sends this damn big message to good men: ABANDON HOPE ALL YE WHO ENTER THE DISTRICT OF CRIMINALS.
rhhardin said...
You no longer have to report illegal income, owing to the self-incrimination requirement. The bargain struck when the income tax was allowed was that no income tax information would go to agencies outside the IRS, so that self-incrimination didn't become incriminating.
Nowhere in the IRS tax code is there a provision that permits cheating. If you have income, you are required to report it and deductions are only those specifically named.
gilbar said...
does this mean, that next time *i* file a form, i can just plead the 5th? If Not; WHY Not?
No IRS form to declare against self-incrimination exists. Only signature lines that declare your return to be true and complete.
Trump's tax returns will be completely incomprehensible. Hell, my tax returns are largely incomprehensible, even to me. And I'm a tax lawyer. But the usual suspects will pull out bunches of BS.
--gpm
madAsHell said...
They want to audit a return that has already been approved by the IRS???
Why would I want to negotiate my taxes with the IRS, and then realize the return will be scrutinized, without context, in the media?
This is a witch hunt. Can we see Pelosi's return??
How many times did TFG tell the public that his taxes were under audit and he refused to publish them?
And you might find that Pelosi has published her tax return. Have you looked?
Plentiful evidence was assembled by the NY AG and the tax fraud case is now being tried. Also, tax information published in the NYT shows that Trump cheated all the time. Read up on All County Building Supply & Maintenance.
It's time to see every congress critters taxes. We should demand it before they run. These witch hunts are getting ridiculous. We need to see the Pelosi's taxes. Insider Traders have a lot to hide.
The Democrats have set another precedent that is going to come back to haunt them.
Naah. The rules are always imposed on thee, never on me.
Military commanders are notorious for planning future wars by looking at their failings in the last war. Times change but their thinking becomes rigid and narrow, and thereby misses the mark. As of 2022, why should anyone care about rehashing what we all know? This as Trump loses support from Republican mega donors, and as he too comes across as fixated on the past.
Republicans proved unable to check themselves when impeaching Clinton in the 1990s -- he came across as a victim of Starr and partisan excess so his popularity increased. Trump's haters will also remain fixated on him for the rest of their lives, even as they self destruct.
To adapt Lady Macbeth, the Democratic Party will sleepwalk as they say "Out, damned Trump."
gadfly said...
rhhardin said...
You no longer have to report illegal income, owing to the self-incrimination requirement. The bargain struck when the income tax was allowed was that no income tax information would go to agencies outside the IRS, so that self-incrimination didn't become incriminating.
Nowhere in the IRS tax code is there a provision that permits cheating. If you have income, you are required to report it and deductions are only those specifically named.
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This sets a new record in the Point-Missing Olympics.
I look forward to hearing why this ruling doesn't extend to Joe and Hunter Biden's tax returns.
Rachel Maddow enters the chat
Can't wait to see the next president order the IRS to release the tax records of all members of the Supreme Court, the rest of the federal judiciary, and the members of the House and Senate.
My meager tax returns are over a hundred pages long and I fathom maybe ten of them. It will be entertaining to see the absurd opinions of our leaders as they parse Trump’s.
Inga, the interesting Trump tax returns are those he files in RussiaRussiaRussia.
denying without comment
Given that people have a right to expect their financial privacy will be respected when they file their taxes and the IRS has raised no red flags about Trump's returns, I think Trump and the American people are entitled to a comment.
Short-sighted clowns.
Just in time for a GOP run House to begin investigations on Democrats. Sure, they don't want Trump either, but that's just a two-fer.
There is a side issue. Trump's records will demonstrate ties to dozens upon dozens of other corporate entities. Fresh fodder for the Big Woke One, Fighting Karens. Oooh Rah!
The point is not to investigate Trump. The IRS has assigned their top people over the years to find any wrongs, and for whatever reason, Trump has cleared the process without wrongdoing.
The point is to provide fresh new materials to leak in the worst-possible, walls-closing-in, bombshell context. It'll be our new series for the upcoming primaries, Season 6 of 'Crime-of-the-Century-of-the-Week'. Watch it happen.
Tax law be damned. What they've done is open the way for any public entity to examine anyones tax returns.
The usual suspects are drooling over this. They have no idea what they will be seeing. They will need a CPA to explain it.
The Democrats have learned that if they make everything about Trump, the media will write that Trump is making everything about himself.
It will be interesting to hear the caterwauling in January when the same House committee asks for the same from the Bidens.
I guess that means the House R's can get Biden or Bill Clinton or Obama's tax returns. Or is that going to be "Different"?
After the Dobbs decision, is the court trying to redeem its reputation?
Would the members of the court come under renewed attack, politically and physically for seeming to defend the most hated man on the left?
It appears the attacks by the left are serving there purpose.
Cert denied is not a merits decision. The biggest complaint USSC justices have about reporting on the Court.
Trump attacks not merits based. Purely For me or against me?
The house R's should go for all of the democrat donors tax returns. I mean, it's for the betterment of tax policy after all.
"No IRS form to declare against self-incrimination exists. Only signature lines that declare your return to be true and complete."
Wilbur--That new Olympic record lasted only 6 minutes.
And there's this from the AP earlier today:
"Accountant testifies Trump claimed huge tax losses for a decade, confirming suspicions"
Paragraph 7:
"Trump is not charged in the case and is not expected to testify or attend the trial."
Plentiful evidence was assembled by the NY AG and the tax fraud case is now being tried. Also, tax information published in the NYT shows that Trump cheated all the time. Read up on All County Building Supply & Maintenance.
gadfly sees what he wants to see. It's like Rachel Mad Cow and Trump's 1995 tax return.
When she got it (from a thief in the IRS) she was rudely surprised.
Gadfly spewed
. Read up on All County Building Supply & Maintenance.
From the opinion piece: "I doubt there’s any proof that Donald Trump had any knowledge of this. But it’s inconceivable that he didn’t. "
Personally, I doubt there is any proof gadfly knew it was a lie, but it in inconceivable that he didn't.
It never ceases to amuse me how many stupid leftists (but I repeat myself) actually think Trump does his own taxes.
No one thinks Trump "does his own taxes". But he does brag he knows more about the tax code than anyone.
What I'm finding especially amusing is that all of a sudden all our usual suspects are corporate tax experts.
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